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Microsoft and HTC both agree on XDA-Developers "We can't live with 'em and we can't live without 'em
According to tweakers.net (dutch), a very popular and more important, trustworthy Dutch IT website.http://forum.xda-developers.com/
XDA-Developers breaches intellectual property laws regarding ROM Cooking.
However Microsoft and HTC both agree "We can't live with 'em and we can't live without 'em."
Microsoft will not send take down orders to sites such as XDA-Developers, who offer customized ROMs for windows-mobile telephone.
Some sites offering ROMs based on Windows Mobile 6.5 got take down orders last week. They, However, appeared to be hoax.
“Taking action against sites such as XDA-Developers isn’t a matter of concern for Microsoft” says Maarten Sonneveld of Microsoft Netherlands against tweakers.net. “What happens there, the modifying of ROMs, is illegal. The intellectual property however is not with us. The ROMs are intellectual property of the producers of the phone or the mobile phone providers if it concerns branded telephones. We simple only deliver the OS.”
The biggest producer of Windows Mobile-phones, HTC, also says they don’t have any plans to take action against ROM sites. “What happens there isn’t allowed” says HTC Benelux-CEO Mark Moons,
“But XDA-Developers is the biggest and most active community of Windows Mobile-developers. We can’t live with ‘em and we can’t live without ‘em.”
Last week it seemed there were to come an end to tolerating Windows Mobile-communities.
A certain ‘James Young’ sent emails on behalf of Microsoft to site managers in which he stated that they were sharing illegal content, and summoned them to stop their practices; some site managers, in fact, did this.
It mostly concerned ROMs with betas of Windows Mobile 6.5, the update of Microsoft’s Mobile OS that should appear this summer
Haha nice one
Nice, but doesn't come much as a surprise. This community is the only reason Windows Mobile is still competitive. And Microsoft knows it. Besides that, why should they bother? Other than on the desktop PC, the phone hardware is quite limited without proper drivers WM won't run on phones which weren't supposed to run it in the first place. So Microsoft sold their license, HTC (or any other manufacturer) bought it and end of story. They have absolutly no disadvantage when ppl start cooking ROMs - in the contrary. I can't even begin to image using my X1 or any other WM-phone without the customization options presented here. Without them, I wouldn't have bought another WM-phone and become a WM-fan ... ;-)
Read this on tweakers.net yesterday, don't know if we should be happy about this statement.
But it seems xda-developers is going to be watched carefully by MS and HTC, probably has been already.
Until the take serious actions against this community I'm going to flash my X1 with Touch-IT ROMs as many as possible
I would say Microsoft and HTC is the winners here. The ROM cooking means more people is attracted to the platform and for me the reason I bough the X1 was this community.
Rather than moaning, HTC and Microsoft should make donations to XDADevs because this community is one of the main reasons why both of them rose to unforeseen heights.
skycamefalling said:
Rather than moaning, HTC and Microsoft should make donations to XDADevs because this community is one of the main reasons why both of them rose to unforeseen heights.
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Totally agree with u lolz
E90 Commie said:
I would say Microsoft and HTC is the winners here. The ROM cooking means more people is attracted to the platform and for me the reason I bough the X1 was this community.
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i bought my htc wizard and SE x1 because of xda-developers.if they shut rom sites down i ll never buy windows mobile device that's for sure.my phone is my home so i ll decide how will i decorate my home not microsoft.cheers
Yeah i've read that also (im dutch and visit that site 3 times a day or so )
I think that htc says "MAKE NICE ROMS XDA, or else we will.....)
I'll add my 2 pennies worth...
I'm not a cook, though I sorely wish I were! However, thanks to XDA developers, I've had WM phones for the past 5 years, up until Blue Angel I *only* would have Nokia phones, but I was given the Blue Angel as a present and hated it. I then accidentally found XDA when I was going to sell the Blue Angel and was looking for a way to unlock the sim. Figuring I had nothing to lose as I hated the phone anyway, I put a new rom on and fell in love! Since then, I've had every HTC phone and just recently went to the Xperia *ONLY* because of this website. If XDA wasn't here, I would have gotten the N96 or a Blackberry.
So, for what it is worth MS and HTC if you're reading... Leave XDA alone, support it where you can, and be happy for the generosity of this community for making the product you produce better and more usable!
the only reason I got rid of my Omina and went back to a HTC made pda was because of the support and options that I can find here, good move from microsoft however I suspect microsoft as always turned a blind eye to a degree (remember the fpt problems?)
Cool. This is a pretty big community of developers.
James Joung lives here in my neighbourhood
Now I understand why he has spent the whole week laughing
Well,
if it wern't for XDA developers, when I got my Orange c500 (Back in the day) that would have been the last WM phone I bought.
Since then ive had:
Orange c550
Orance c600
MDA Vario
HTC TYTN
HTC Touch Diamond
Sony Xperia X1
goes to show the value of XDA... if anything, I think Microsoft, HTC etc should jump on the band wagon and help chefs get the best out of WM, or at least, some kind of formal agreement should be attained to help protect the community
can't live without them(xda),hehe.. htc and microsoft should donate to support xda !
gtrab said:
James Joung lives here in my neighbourhood
Now I understand why he has spent the whole week laughing
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Maybe he was laughing because his CEO, told him that if he will try to touch this site, he will have to fill up for unemployment... This site have 41,159 members (ONLY ) and allmost all of us, we own between 2-4 HTC pda phones. If HTC will loose us, I guess that they will show the middle finger to Microsoft and they will stick with Android from the time on...
To be honest in that perverse way MS has BENEFITTED from 'Piracy' etc. throughout their history. Take Office for example - way back in the day Lotus and Wordperfect were the dominant market forces. MS were trying to force their way into the market wth their Office products. In the end they blew away the competition - how? Because their media had no copy protection - thus Office Workers ended up getting copies from work to put on their home PCs to carry on extra work at home. The others had copy protection.
MS turned a blind eye to this because they knew that the more people had Office, the more they would want it in their workplace - so much so that in the end how many companies use those products anymore? Now that they are the dominant force, Piracy is an issue.
It is the same with sites like XDA-Devs. The mobile phone market is huge and will get bigger even in these times. WinMo is still a small part of that market - Nokia and Symbian undoubtably have an edge here. However people are becoming more savvy about mobiles and want more from them which is where MS, RIM, and Apple come in (with an improving Symbian).
However if all the consumers had to rely on was 'Stock' ROMs and buggy WinMo (esp. when consumers will compare it to the iPhone etc.) then WinMo would have nowehere near the amount of consumers, and would die a slow death. However thanks to XDA-Devs (and sites like these) we can buy these phones confident that some super talented Cook will provide us with a ROM that will get us the full experience of these devices. Hence we will then buy the next generation, then the next etc.
MS and HTC know this - hence why they can't 'live without 'em'. No point cutting off your nose to spite your face eh?....
@itje
after reading the good news.. please bring back your Touch-IT WM 6.5 project rom.. hehe =)
damskie said:
@itje
after reading the good news.. please bring back your Touch-IT WM 6.5 project rom.. hehe =)
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He just did, and posted the new ROM for download.
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INTER / BAYERN - MADRID 2010/05/22
UEFA accorded the rights to emission to 280 M People around the world with TV3, Televisió de Catalunya ( www.tv3.cat ). This channel will deploy hundreds of cameras, even giving 3D emmissions to theaters/cinemas and also the match across the web ( www.elsesports.cat geolocked to only Spain). Every TV in the world will serve thos eimages to their public, but Image Credits will be in Catalan.
It's curious.
Televisió de Catalunya is this night the most important TV in Europe and maybe in some parts in the World (where football/soccer is the favorite sport). This is the public Catalonian TV channels owned by the (autonomous) Catalan Government (called "Generalitat" and having more than 600 inheritage years of real democracy). The *only* official languages for home emissions are Catalan and Occitan (for the Aran area) an also spanish and sometimes French can be spoken by some invited people there.
TV3 was banned from the Eurovision festival since the channel beginnings. It also had "legal" trobles to use the spanish public antennas and lots of international images had to come by car from the french border.
Catalan is not an European "official" language, while is spoken by about 10 M people - other languages spoken by less people are official. Some people is banned from works, activities or also their claims to governments are not heared because they use Catalan as their motherlanguage. There's no international cinema dubbed in Catalan (even when catalan laws say that, if dubbed, 50% must be in Catalan and the other 50% in spanish), but it's in Spanish because of spanish laws. Books translated to Catalan are more expensive than the ones translated to Spanish... and I finish here my claim list as Flar probably would delete my post.
Even, the Catalan Goverment awarded Microsoft for having created a WM6.5 version "localized" in Catalan. And Catalan is the 7th language used in Internet around the World. But I have found NO Windows Mobile ROM in Catalan, and NO T9 versions in Catalan in the market, even knowing they exist. Even asking HTC Tegic and Microsoft why they don't put their exixting versions in the market. (Microsoft products in Catalan for PC are in the market and the web for everyone!!)
Tonight (in Europe) a Catalan (a "non existant", maybe?) TV channel will serve the signal around the World for the year's most interesting soccer/football european match. The efforts are greater than the ones any other TV channel could have to do, as TV3 had to walk from pseudo-clandestinity and helped only by an (economically and politically) asfixiated="autonomous" government.
I hope you'll enjoy the match and like the work and efforts of this TV channel.
Isn't Inter- Bayern Munich?. Good post by the way..
For several days I am the owner hd7, and already I have my doubts.I wanted HD2 but they hadn't to offer. Does anyone already tried to install the navigation IGO8? Will this work? please help!!!!!
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For several days I am the owner hd7, and already I have my doubts.I wanted HD2 but they hadn't to offer. Does anyone already tried to install the navigation IGO8? Will this work? please help!!!!!
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Hi,
For the moment there is no GPS software compatible with WP7.
We must wait more time for the companies launch new version that could work with WP7.
Thanks
Santos
im conused now, so , should i exchange the phone or should wait few months??
That's really up to you. If you don't like it, then the phone isn't for you, take it back. If you do like it and are willing to wait another couple of months for GPS software, then wait. For info, i've been using the built in Maps application to get to places and it's fine as a temporary workaround.
The biggest problem at the moment is that we are forced to use the Zune portal and this will only work in a very limited number of countries.
I cannot buy any application in the marketpalce just because I live in Portugal!!!
And this is the main reason why so many companies are not willing to spend money, time and resources in developing to such a limited audience.
IGO8 was the best GPS software I have ever seen for the Xperia X1 or for any Win mobile 6.5 phone, now we cannot use it because the developers, european, are not going to do something that most of their present costumers won't be able to buy and use in their WP 7 phones!
For the same reason we don't have Skype and so many others...
Microsoft forums are loaded with complaints about this, even the people in Canada can't use Zune portal, can you believe this?
This sucks...
Not sure if I'd call the countries that WP7 is available in a "limited audience," that isn't a fair judgment simply because your country isn't supported... Most major countries ARE supported...
Now, to answer your question, the OS is a couple months old, I'd expect to see a rush of GPS software being released soon, especially with Verizon and Sprint getting involved. I'd also expect a lot of these to utilize the API to Bing Maps... Saving space on the device and making a more direct inclusion to the OS.... That's just my theory though. Be patient...
Are you for real? This is the list of supported countries:
Australia (English)
Belgique (Français)
Belgium (Nederlands)
Canada (English)
Canada (Français)
Denmark (English)
Deutschland (Deutsch)
España (Español)
Estados Unidos (Español)
Finland (English)
France (Français)
Hong Kong (English)
India (English)
Ireland (English)
Italia (Italiano)
日本 (日本語)
México (Español)
Netherlands (Nederlands)
New Zealand (English)
Norway (English)
Österreich (Deutsch)
Schweiz (Deutsch)
Singapore (English)
Suisse (Français)
Sweden (English)
United Kingdom (English)
United States (English)
20 countries!!! 20!!!
Out of almost 200 existing now! That's 10%...
In the remaining 90% of the countries in the world we are not able to buy one single song, one single application...
Imagine yourself in this situation, what would you do?
I know people that returned their phone the moment they realized how crappy the situation is.
I won't do it but I really feal cheated!
I'm not saying its an enjoyable situation, but most of the major countries are supported... Major... Also, yes, 200 countries.. But there are also some countries that won't allow implementation... But no, I wouldn't want to be in the situation, and as a Microsoft supporter I would like to see the list grow...
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Guys Question, maybe i too stupid for that, but how you can cancel/off everything , what you use in hd7 eg. video player , music other app?? Do I have to use arrow to make everything off? just arrow?
Yup, 10% of the worlds countries but I bet that's close to 50% of the worlds population.
Wouldn't call that a small market??
edit; According to wiki, that's 32% of the worlds population.
But the problem is Microsoft tend to distribute their phone with operator of the country without realising they dont fully support for the country like what apple do in the past. So people who buying the phone will stuck with the phone basic apps and we cant even sideload the app (although we can but ask microsoft yourself) and stuck with a contract you cant easily terminate it.
You can see that my country Malaysia had been announced as one of major countries that will sell HD7 under Maxis but do you see my country listed above? How do we suppose to buy app? by hacking the phone?
This is the link for proof
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/windows-phone-7-handsets-the-tale-of-the-tape/
I think all the WinPhone 7 is good and better than apple with support of outlook and most importantly office sharepoint but the lacks of support is really frustrating. Im really regret that i not opt for HTC Desire HD.
P/S : Steve Balmer and Steve Jobs ( name also same ). Sorry for my English.
Hi,
I have translated some apps and games into other languages and it has worked really well, i have noticed that my downloads have increased.
I dont have many time for localization exchanges, so i usually use professional translators. I would want to know, if you have tried them, which are the best services to translate the apps and games into other languages.
My experience:
- AppLingua. It is a good service, it works great but it is really expensive. https://applingua.com/
- OnTranslate. This is a new service that i have tried and it has worked great for me. The price for professional translations are the best ones. 0,04 € per word in expert translations is great. http://ontranslate.com/
- Icanlocalize: I have tried ICanLocalize but i am not very satisfied because they have not been fast in the translation. It is also expensive http://www.icanlocalize.com/
- Google Play translation partners: They work correctly too, but they are very very expensive so i think will not try them...
Please share your experience!
Thank you!
Thanks for sharing! I've had the experience with Google Translate. It was awful Users compained loudly...
Than I decided to pay. I was looking for an agency that would meet my criteria:
1) have experience doing app translation
2) each translator is NATIVE speaker in the target language
3) reasonable prices
In the end I chose Alconost. Since than I have no problems with localization.
By the by I guess quality and money go hand and hand in this industry, and good job can't be cheap... decide for yourself
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