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[QUESTION] Why does the app menu lag with more apps?

When I wiped my ext partition and had maybe 20 default apps on, the app launcher moved like a beast, instant, basically like the godly iphone UI + a discrete adjuster.
However now I'ved restored my 250ish apps/elements it now lags like a mofo. What I want to know is what physically is being limited hardware wise, and is there any way to boost the performance of this memory? I assume it would be between CPU, RAM and GPU, although I dont understand how it could be annoy of those [sorry for my noobishness]:
CPU: Snapdragon, OCed, not exactly CPU intensive anyway
RAM: Have 250MB free, never seems to get 'full' when i quickly tab to the usage
GPU: This is what I guess, but if so why cant we get around this with a less intensive menu setup? Surely all that is happening is we have 20-25 icons + labels floating up and down on a screen? To be honest id prefer literally just that on an instant screen over the 'oo that looks nice.... oh wait it lags like a *****' we have now.
Any comments would be appreciated

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well, one thing which would probably slow down the launcher is the sd card speed... and considering u've got a helluva lot of apps on ur sd card, it seems like a plausable reason...

Is anyone able to confirm that? Surely though its precached the icons and names somewhere though :/

dogiedogie said:
Is anyone able to confirm that? Surely though its precached the icons and names somewhere though :/
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if you use CM rom you can go to spare parts and enable "keep launcher in memory" that usually helps a lot

I have Kang, so has a launcher over CM. The setting was enabled, but i dissabled and renabled to see if that was a problem. Possibly did solve a bit of it, but it still takes at least half a second for the menu to catch up with my finger, even including 'touch lag'. The only way you can see what I mean is if you play with an empty phone, its INSTANT.

dogiedogie said:
I have Kang, so has a launcher over CM. The setting was enabled, but i dissabled and renabled to see if that was a problem. Possibly did solve a bit of it, but it still takes at least half a second for the menu to catch up with my finger, even including 'touch lag'. The only way you can see what I mean is if you play with an empty phone, its INSTANT.
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probably some runaway apps taking a toll on ram and system resources.
i did a major clean up yesterday and my phone is zippier than ever

dogiedogie said:
Is anyone able to confirm that? Surely though its precached the icons and names somewhere though :/
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You mean the activity/app choice list right? (like when you make a application shortcut, or view installed applications). It does lag when you have a lot of apps. If it does cache the data its definitely short-term, if you try it again after a day its slow the first time.
Lets hope froyo has something to make it faster, systemwide.

britoso said:
You mean the activity/app choice list right? (like when you make a application shortcut, or view installed applications). It does lag when you have a lot of apps. If it does cache the data its definitely short-term, if you try it again after a day its slow the first time.
Lets hope froyo has something to make it faster, systemwide.
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Sorry, if there is any misunderstanding I am talking about the app menu, where you go to open your apps from the home page.

dogiedogie said:
Sorry, if there is any misunderstanding I am talking about the app menu, where you go to open your apps from the home page.
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ok, I dont have noticeable lag with my 140 apps. I have a 6 column launcher too

britoso said:
ok, I dont have noticeable lag with my 140 apps. I have a 6 column launcher too
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I assume the only difference between our phones then is SD card.
I have http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B001CQT0X4/ref=oss_product
EDIT: http://www.steelbytes.com/?mid=20&cmd=download&pid=1&lang=eng I used that and got a read speed of 3mb/s, could you do the same so we can see if its that?
Cheers.

then is SD card.
I have http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B001CQT0X4/ref=oss_product
EDIT: http://www.steelbytes.com/?mid=20&cmd=download&pid=1&lang=eng I used that and got a read speed of 3mb/s, could you do the same so we can see if its that?
Cheers.
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for my Ridata 16GB (class6/6x), tested by mounting and via usb.
Read: 3.1 MB/sec (approx 20x)

britoso said:
for my Ridata 16GB (class6/6x), tested by mounting and via usb.
Read: 3.1 MB/sec (approx 20x)
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Hmmm :/ So its not my SD card. I just dont understand why it physically lags, when I watch people showcasing some new app etc, their menu is perfectly fluid, even with a similar number of apps.

Anyone have any other ideas?

Process @ 99%

I'm using froyo FR91 and noticed within the last day that my system was slow. I downloaded an app that shows cpu and memory usage and noticed that the total cpu usage is at 99%. The Android System process is between 84% and 90% all the time.....any suggestions? Do I need a bigger swap partition or something?
Oh ya, and it will reboot my nexus one after a while when trying to use the system in this state.

interesting... i took out my SD card and it isn't acting slow... could it be the way the partition is setup?

Have you looked at System Panel or some other program to see exactly what is using CPU?

Ya like I mentioned it just says Android System. I am using Android System Info. I wonder if it is a setting with the sd card because it doesn't seem to happen without a sd card in it.

tonnic said:
Ya like I mentioned it just says Android System. I am using Android System Info. I wonder if it is a setting with the sd card because it doesn't seem to happen without a sd card in it.
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I said System Panel. It's in the market.

khaytsus said:
I said System Panel. It's in the market.
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Is System Panel better than Android System Info, which is another app in the market? I now have both installed, and they seem to do the same thing.

bigmout said:
Is System Panel better than Android System Info, which is another app in the market? I now have both installed, and they seem to do the same thing.
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Ah, if they do similar things then okay, I haven't used the other one, I was reading it as you were using something in the Preferences to see what was using CPU there.
Hope you figure it out, I've never seen excessive usage in any program except for a handful of times that something went rogue.
Maybe you should start removing widgets.. Then if that doesn't locate the problem, background apps..

khaytsus said:
Ah, if they do similar things then okay, I haven't used the other one, I was reading it as you were using something in the Preferences to see what was using CPU there.
Hope you figure it out, I've never seen excessive usage in any program except for a handful of times that something went rogue.
Maybe you should start removing widgets.. Then if that doesn't locate the problem, background apps..
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Oh, I'm not actually the guy with the problem, just someone who's been looking for a good program to track CPU usage. I've been using System Panel for a few days and actually prefer the interface to System Info. Thanks for the tip!

bigmout said:
Oh, I'm not actually the guy with the problem, just someone who's been looking for a good program to track CPU usage. I've been using System Panel for a few days and actually prefer the interface to System Info. Thanks for the tip!
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Oops, missed you weren't the same, but hey, glad you like System Panel I have zero to do with the app/author but I suggest it to anyone wanting insight into what's going on, it's really great for monitoring to see long-term app behavior (paid version) or a very good whats-going-on-right-now and app killer in the free version.

seems like it was the card. I was using an adata 16gb class6 card. The card seems fine on its own. Tests on it seem ok, but once in a while the card makes the android process take a lot of cpu usage. Not sure why. I will try again on cyanogens version.

Ok its not the card because I tried a different card and it happened again. Anyone else have this issue?

Same issue,
Even swapped out my 16GB class 6 for a 32GB class 2 . Both OEM ( not ebay cards ) and the phone still reboots/ hangs ect whenusing things like animated gifs.

This has happened to me too (system_server stuck at 100%), had to reboot to fix it.

Maybe a froyo bug? Any1 try cyanogen yet?

Not enough space error

Hey guys,
Seems I need like 80mb of free space in order to install a 20mb file. Any work around for this? If my phone drops lower then 20mb everything goes to hell lol but if I have 40mb free then why cant I install a large file like this 20mb one? Boy-o-boy I sure need 2.2
Thanx,
-Cyg

Cygnes said:
Hey guys,
Seems I need like 80mb of free space in order to install a 20mb file. Any work around for this? If my phone drops lower then 20mb everything goes to hell lol but if I have 40mb free then why cant I install a large file like this 20mb one? Boy-o-boy I sure need 2.2
Thanx,
-Cyg
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Why dont you install CM6 or other 2.2 roms? Most of them work flawless!

Ive got a Milestone so locked boot loader. Cant do anything like that as of yet. Its powerful weak.

[HELP]MOTO G 2 slowing down.

Hi all,
I have been using Moto G2 since October 2014 a year ago I unlocked the bootloader and flashed CM 12 and now using CM 13. In the first few days, the performance of the phone is good but as days are passing the performance keeps on slowing down. I'm now using a 32gb sd card also I have moved most of the apps to sd card but still the problem persists.I clean the cache memory from the "Storage and USB" option in settings and have been using Ccleaner for a long time now but I see no improvements what should I do?
Should I switch to any other ROM or is there any app causing the problem?
Or should I revert back to stock ROM?
Problems I'm facing:--
1. Slow loading of settings
2. Apps becoming unresponsive(these were the apps which used to run smoothly).
3. If 5-6 apps are open the home screen takes 10-12 second to load all the shortcut icons.
And there are some other issues.
Pls help me out with this ASAP is anyone else facing the same issue?
Thanks for reading.:fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed:

rootb3r said:
Hi all,
I have been using Moto G2 since October 2014 a year ago I unlocked the bootloader and flashed CM 12 and now using CM 13. In the first few days, the performance of the phone is good but as days are passing the performance keeps on slowing down. I'm now using a 32gb sd card also I have moved most of the apps to sd card but still the problem persists.I clean the cache memory from the "Storage and USB" option in settings and have been using Ccleaner for a long time now but I see no improvements what should I do?
Should I switch to any other ROM or is there any app causing the problem?
Or should I revert back to stock ROM?
Problems I'm facing:--
1. Slow loading of settings
2. Apps becoming unresponsive(these were the apps which used to run smoothly).
3. If 5-6 apps are open the home screen takes 10-12 second to load all the shortcut icons.
And there are some other issues.
Pls help me out with this ASAP is anyone else facing the same issue?
Thanks for reading.:fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed:
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Hi! After years of suffering with 1 ghz mono core and 403mbs of RAM here are my tips:
What's causing all this is the low amount of RAM available on the Moto G in comparison to other devices. 1gb is really pushing the limits nowadays. So you'll have to compensate for that. The only way to do that is by making it so that you can't multi-task that well but the app you're on atm runs great.
1. Get Kernel Aduitor, go to Low RAM Killer and set it to aggressive. This should already make it a lot faster.
2. Reduce background activities by disabling unused sync operations. Go to Settings>Accounts and then check them all one by one and disable sync for whatever isn't needed.
3. Get a Custom Kernel. Always a good idea.
If this all doesn't help there is one last option. Go to Developer Options and scroll to the bottom. You will find some options for background activities. Set it so that it doesn't keep anything in memory.
If that doesn't help, then one of your apps is causing issues, start investigating.
Also ,you should remove CCleaner and also any task killing app. They cause issues and slow downs.
Best of luck!
Chris.

ehm, try this....
dismount SDcard, maybe its broken, reflash ROM, with full wipe, data, cache, system.
only flash rom and gapps, and try it without SDcard.

chrismin13 said:
Hi! After years of suffering with 1 ghz mono core and 403mbs of RAM here are my tips:
What's causing all this is the low amount of RAM available on the Moto G in comparison to other devices. 1gb is really pushing the limits nowadays. So you'll have to compensate for that. The only way to do that is by making it so that you can't multi-task that well but the app you're on atm runs great.
1. Get Kernel Aduitor, go to Low RAM Killer and set it to aggressive. This should already make it a lot faster.
2. Reduce background activities by disabling unused sync operations. Go to Settings>Accounts and then check them all one by one and disable sync for whatever isn't needed.
3. Get a Custom Kernel. Always a good idea.
If this all doesn't help there is one last option. Go to Developer Options and scroll to the bottom. You will find some options for background activities. Set it so that it doesn't keep anything in memory.
If that doesn't help, then one of your apps is causing issues, start investigating.
Also ,you should remove CCleaner and also any task killing app. They cause issues and slow downs.
Best of luck!
Chris.
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"If that doesn't help, then one of your apps is causing issues, start investigating."
How to investigate which app is consuming a lot of CPU and RAM?
Which custom kernel is the best?
Which kernel would you suggest?
Thannks for the reply.

marianoasis said:
ehm, try this....
dismount SDcard, maybe its broken, reflash ROM, with full wipe, data, cache, system.
only flash rom and gapps, and try it without SDcard.
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"only flash rom and gapps, and try it without SDcard" for how many days should i not use other apps like WhatsApp,reddit,instagram etc.. also i have some educational apps what about them?

Go for Hologen or Extended Kernel @rootb3r

rootb3r said:
"only flash rom and gapps, and try it without SDcard" for how many days should i not use other apps like WhatsApp,reddit,instagram etc.. also i have some educational apps what about them?
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ehm read again what i said. only flash rom and gapps, and try it without SDcard... AND TRY IT WITHOUT SDCARD... where i said DO NOT INSTALL ANY APP?

marianoasis said:
ehm read again what i said. only flash rom and gapps, and try it without SDcard... AND TRY IT WITHOUT SDCARD... where i said DO NOT INSTALL ANY APP?
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Okay bro.

rootb3r said:
Okay bro.
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maybe the sdcard its broken, this make the lag, because use RAM to read it

Device Care App Memory Question

How is everyone doing today?
Ok so I use the Device Care App all the time and recently I noticed that when I click on Memory and it says something like 800MB so i would tap Clear Now. What i noticed that after it is done if I go back and do it again instead it being lower than 800MB its higher, and it takes a few times going back and clearing the memory.
Does anyone have any ideas ?
Thank you all in advance.

Andr3w151 said:
How is everyone doing today?
Ok so I use the Device Care App all the time and recently I noticed that when I click on Memory and it says something like 800MB so i would tap Clear Now. What i noticed that after it is done if I go back and do it again instead it being lower than 800MB its higher, and it takes a few times going back and clearing the memory.
Does anyone have any ideas ?
Thank you all in advance.
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