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Is completely useless, what was the point of this idea? Software development as a whole has its own section in the General forums, why bring it to the kaiser? Obviously any software development issues belongs there. ROM Development is not "software development". Seeing the Kaiser v6.1 builds floating around are fake wouldn't it be better to split kaiser rom, and kaiser v6.1 as was done with hermes 5 and 6.0? Or better yet leave it as it was seeing it was managing fine as it was. No other phone section is like this for a reason...
i do agree on the 6.1 and 6.0 section like the hermes but thats about it. i love this forum. please go troll somewhere else.. like the middle of the road
I don't think there are enough 6.0 users left for seperate forums. Most ROM's are 6.1 now.
This forum is for software Development and software issues. I think this would be a good place for discussion of issues with 3rd party apps (e.g TomTom & iGO problems), where as the Kaiser general forum can be used for discussion of HTC / M$ problems and any other Kaiser issues (e.g. Breakages etc.).
My 2c's worth.
That's what this forum is for...
i use wm6 on 1 of my phones.. and actually i wouldnt use 6.1 if it wasnt for dk's rom cuz 6.1 is trash in my eyes.. no rom out can even come close to touching Q's 6.0 rom
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That's what this forum is for...
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IMHO, the creation of new applications for all WM devices.
I see your point, not many applications will be developed specifically for the kaiser (except maybe Kaiser Tweak ).
I think the Dec & Hacking should be for proper Devs & Hacks writing new apps and this be used for Kaiser Software Issues. Kaiser Software Development does seem pretty redundant.
Again, just my speculation. Maybe the mods will explain this fully in time.
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i use wm6 on 1 of my phones.. and actually i wouldnt use 6.1 if it wasnt for dk's rom cuz 6.1 is trash in my eyes.. no rom out can even come close to touching Q's 6.0 rom
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Most of the Noobs, who are spamming the forums are using 6.1, so life would be quiet in the 6.0 forum
Well guys, don't take things as cast in stone just yet. It may stay or may be changed.
As someone who proposed changes there was initially one primary reason for a change:
To stop people using the Kaiser Upgrading etc... forum for everything from ROM stuff to adding a new theme.
I suggested a new title for the Upgrading forum:
Kaiser ROM and Software Development.
In other words a kind of more advanced development section that would specifically exclude the likes of adding themes, CAB requests and other routine stuff. As such the only change would really be to add the word General to the Kaiser Forum and remove the confusion of the word Upgrading from the development forum.
Being unclear in expressing myself, my suggestion for Kaiser ROM and Software Development was taken as a need for TWO Forums not a single one.
Ironically another device forum is requesting a change to the revised Kaiser setup as it is now
So lets hang loose and see what develops
Mike
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lemmesee whats your fav phrase?...oh yea...go play in traffic....I think you should do that
I am still missing the newbie & locked thread section though
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Well guys, don't take things as cast in stone just yet. It may stay or may be changed.
As someone who proposed changes there was initially one primary reason for a change:
To stop people using the Kaiser Upgrading etc... forum for everything from ROM stuff to adding a new theme.
I suggested a new title for the Upgrading forum:
Kaiser ROM and Software Development.
In other words a kind of more advanced development section that would specifically exclude the likes of adding themes, CAB requests and other routine stuff. As such the only change would really be to add the word General to the Kaiser Forum and remove the confusion of the word Upgrading from the development forum.
Being unclear in expressing myself, my suggestion for Kaiser ROM and Software Development was taken as a need for TWO Forums not a single one.
Ironically another device forum is requesting a change to the revised Kaiser setup as it is now
So lets hang loose and see what develops
Mike
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Then maybe someone should move all the crap request or sorry cab requests and other software questions, software gides, etc into this forum instead of the rom forum
like
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337900
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=375428
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376436
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=373107
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=375100
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376415
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=370208
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376383
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376331
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=371503
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376358
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=367410
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334759
and the list goes on
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lemmesee whats your fav phrase?...oh yea...go play in traffic....I think you should do that
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Get Aids...
ljinsane said:
lemmesee whats your fav phrase?...oh yea...go play in traffic....I think you should do that
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Get Aids...
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Wow the maturity level of this forum has now reached a new low!
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Wow the maturity level of this forum has now reached a new low!
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Wow the worthless post level of this forum has now reached a new high!
both of you need to jump off a bridge ;\ HOLDING HANDS THAT IS!
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Wow the worthless post level of this forum has now reached a new high!
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LOL. I was just making an observation...and I was considering coming back with something very negative but your are not worth my time...but yet starting up a worthless thread like this seems to be your whole point.
So you are contributing to the worthless post level.
...and proving my point that the maturity level has reached a new low.
This probably won't end the argument. But the point of separating upgrading etc. is for more organization. If I want to look at roms I look in the rom section. If I want to find a good keyboard I'll look in this section. Another good reason for more organization for this phone as opposed to other phones is that this phone's forum population is twice as large as the next biggest forum population.
I'll save my insults for when you reply to this.
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Is completely useless, what was the point of this idea? Software development as a whole has its own section in the General forums, why bring it to the kaiser? Obviously any software development issues belongs there. ROM Development is not "software development". Seeing the Kaiser v6.1 builds floating around are fake wouldn't it be better to split kaiser rom, and kaiser v6.1 as was done with hermes 5 and 6.0? Or better yet leave it as it was seeing it was managing fine as it was. No other phone section is like this for a reason...
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Dude, what's wrong? You can't read?
Kaiser general: For general questions about the kaiser, and general issues with your kaiser.
Kaiser accessories: For discussion of accessories for the kaiser.
Kaiser software: For software development, software specific issues, cab files, programs, etc. etc.
Kaiser ROM development: For ROM development and ROM specific issues
Stop complaining. The seperation of categories as it is now will definitely assist with organizing this messy kaiser section.
And as for there being no other phone sections that are like this, well... THEY SHOULD BE. Organization is a good thing, and that's what this is.
Now if you think we need ADDITIONAL organization, by adding even more sub-categories to the current categories...... such as WM6 and WM6.1 subcategories under kaiser software... that would be cool. Otherwise... just stop.
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LOL. I was just making an observation...and I was considering coming back with something very negative but your are not worth my time...but yet starting up a worthless thread like this seems to be your whole point.
So you are contributing to the worthless post level.
...and proving my point that the maturity level has reached a new low.
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Don't give him the time of day... he's not worth it. Apparently he can't read, and has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING PRODUCTIVE to say.
VOTE BAN FOR CUSTEL IN 08' !!!!!!
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Don't give him the time of day... he's not worth it. Apparently he can't read, and has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING PRODUCTIVE to say.
VOTE BAN FOR CUSTEL IN 08' !!!!!!
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The way I see it, no need to ban anyone. Custel has a pretty good opinion. No need to be negative though. But, who knows, I personally don't know about this structure, but we'll just experiment with this. Kaiser is one of the busiest forums and we get lots of post over here. I still want to see some rules be set up so noobs will search. Too many new guys posting redundent threads. What I'm afraid of is if certain threads belong to this section or other sections.
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The way I see it, no need to ban anyone. Custel has a pretty good opinion. No need to be negative though. But, who knows, I personally don't know about this structure, but we'll just experiment with this. Kaiser is one of the busiest forums and we get lots of post over here. I still want to see some rules be set up so noobs will search. Too many new guys posting redundent threads. What I'm afraid of is if certain threads belong to this section or other sections.
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One answer.... MOD'S!!!!!
Moderators use the many sections to keep the forums organized. I've meen a moderator of about a dozen different forums over the years.
Mods use their abilities to move threads that are in the wrong category, without deleting it. I'm telling you, more categories, and pleanty of sub-categories are very useful... and the mods can keep it all organized.
At work we are getting Orbit 2s (Touch Cruise). I played with one and love the Touch Cube software. Is this availiable for the Kaiser???
Thanks.
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At work we are getting Orbit 2s (Touch Cruise). I played with one and love the Touch Cube software. Is this availiable for the Kaiser???
Thanks.
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Haha, ROFL, that's a nice one!
You're joking right?
Before you get ripped a new one by various members, I suggest you read the links in my signature. There you will find rules on posting and suggestions for searching and how to use the wiki (the wiki will tell you all about the cube). The link for the wiki is at the top labeled xda-wiki. Just click on the kaiser and spend some time there.
The short answer for you is YES.
u gotta be sh**ting me. I usually never flame for repeatable questions, but this is rediculous.
SEARCH. There's a godzillion of threads on this. There's LOTS of different versions of Cube for kaiser.
Search = instant gratification. Just keep repeating that to yourself.
I have searched found something about HTC Cube, something about tweaking the reg and "cooking Roms" but no links to something to download.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Cube
Almost every cube can be found there (Byka's and some older ones are missing), with download links. All of them work fine on the Kaiser.
If you have a question regarding one of those cubes, please post it in the appropriate thread.
Op has answer required. Closing redundant thread (sorry, no hammer )
Hello guys,
Anyone here on a similar search?
I have tried Dutty, Miri, NRG, Laurentis (did not install x2), all are good in some way, but really I have no use for TouchFlow3D, except I am not sure if when in SPBMS, whether some of the new finger friendly bits and pieces are WM6.5 or Manila, even though it is not running TF3D.
Please could someone suggest a rom that has some of the great new features, like WiFi tethering, finger friendly menus etc... but that is good for SPBMS 3.5
Tx
Mark.
Lets see:
Leo Laurentius
Miri
NRGZ28
Mikenif
Xannytech
kwbr
sparkienl
texture
onkolog
There's a few more but I sure hope it cleared things up for you
Wrong thread - wrong answer above.
the OP does not asks how many cooks there are. he wants others do do the job of using SPB (latest version we presume?) and reporting flaws.
I might be wrong
Thread will be moved anyway me think
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Wrong thread - wrong answer above.
Thread will be moved anyway me think
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Well thats the point! which you also seemed to have missed!
livegod said:
Hello guys,
Anyone here on a similar search?
I have tried Dutty, Miri, NRG, Laurentis (did not install x2), all are good in some way, but really I have no use for TouchFlow3D, except I am not sure if when in SPBMS, whether some of the new finger friendly bits and pieces are WM6.5 or Manila, even though it is not running TF3D.
Please could someone suggest a rom that has some of the great new features, like WiFi tethering, finger friendly menus etc... but that is good for SPBMS 3.5
Tx
Mark.
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It's Touchflo
I dont know about SPB MS but the ROM's with finger friendly menus seem to be anything in WM6.5 but more so in the ROM builds starting in 23xxx these builds are still a little unstable with 3rd party apps for obvious reasons therefore it may be some time before developers release apps that are compatible with WM6.5(.1?)
Totally wrong section for questions like this, nothing to do with ROM Development.
MOD EDIT
Threads already exist in Themes, Software & applications forum regarding SPB. Better to post your query within one of those.
This query is not related to rom development and therefore should not be posted in this forum. In future please try and abide by forum rules
Ta
Hey guys,
I can see this "Touch HD ROM Development" forum is messy with 6.1 and 6.5 ROMs together so its time to make a new Sub-Forums for 6.1 and 6.5 ROM separate... What do you guys think?
Actually I think its a great idea, Android too.
Regards
Flashmore
As a user of 6.1, I would really dig the addition of dedicated subforums.
Hope that can be done very soon, will be great and easy for everyone! get Moderator / Owner of this forum to do it?
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Actually I think its a great idea, Android too.
Regards
Flashmore
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I agree too with this nice idea.
Agreed!
I totally agree, it would definately help.
--I'd put a poll on it before asking the mods to do anything tho--
I'd also like to see this in the Apps/Themes section... some 6.1 icons and other stuff won't work 100% on 6.5 correct?
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Hey guys,
I can see this "Touch HD ROM Development" forum is messy with 6.1 and 6.5 ROMs together so its time to make a new Sub-Forums for 6.1 and 6.5 ROM separate... What do you guys think?
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ok, first off the title to each rom thread should already tell you whether or not its wm6.1 or wm6.5, plus if we break it into sub-forums for this, were does it stop, i.e. new sub forums for sense/manila, different build versions, Android etc etc
People just have to learn to search, simple as!!
I'll mention this in the mods/admin section but I'm not sure it would go any further for reasons I've already mentioned, plus svetius/admin have enough on their plate as it already is
Rick
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errr why, hardly any chef creates WM6.1 any more which is a shame.
even if they did they would probably have multiple offerings, ie a WM6.5 vers, WM6.5.5 and WM6.1 possibly.
Most people seem to title there threads pretty well these days, ie.[WM6.1]
I agree with Spartan
I have to agree with the Spartan.
The titles pretty much tell you what version of OS is installed. You just need to read, search, etc.
We also need to remember that most of the mods have day jobs too and volunteer their time to keep this place running. They do a pretty good job and I don't usually see any thanks sent their way for their efforts.
Just my 2 cents worth
great idea
I think it's a great idea!
1- wm 6.1 roms
2- wm 6.5 roms
3- wm 6.5.X roms
4- android development
would be great !
I agree that the title tells you but with sooo many roms still being cooked it would be nice to split it a bit.
A dedicated Android area would make that a bit easier to follow as there is a few things going on and they get very lost in the WM roms...
As to 6.1/6.5 maybe all we need is a ROMS only sub forum. leave the top level for discussing radio's and comparison roms. Also any other developments then the sub forum has ONLY the roms and nothing else.
Since there is no official HTC ROM for Touch HD on WM 6.5 or Android, I have to agree with Fallen Spartan.
Even if there is, such division would make tracking ROMs more difficult.
And if you spot ROM you like, there's always "Subscribe thread" option...
I agree too with subforums for WM 6.1 and WM 6.5 and even WM 7 and don't forget ANDROID or Linux subforum !!!
i don't think that this is a good idea, BUT...
would it be possible to creat a "filter", so that we can filter threads out or only view threads wich are in our interests.
And every Thread-creator marks a few options do define is thread.
This would be much better to search for special things like wm6.5, tf3d 2.5, or only wm6.5.x, wm6.5.x+tf3d2.5....
greets
Terrorhuhn said:
i don't think that this is a good idea, BUT...
would it be possible to creat a "filter", so that we can filter threads out or only view threads wich are in our interests.
And every Thread-creator marks a few options do define is thread.
This would be much better to search for special things like wm6.5, tf3d 2.5, or only wm6.5.x, wm6.5.x+tf3d2.5....
greets
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As it stands users who create threads can tag his/her threads with 'code words' which help for filtering when using the 'search option'
All we need is for people who create threads to use this option.....it already exists!!!!!
Hm... i thougt we couldn't search for things with only 3 letters.
Or is that possible with the "[]"s?
Cool, than it would be greate if all people would mark their threads with the right [...]s *gg*
greets
I for one was out of the game for a while and came back to see 6.5 everywhere. I'm not particularly impressed and prefer a tweaked version of my original 6.1 ROM. I use the search function extensively for some tools and such that I used to use, but the problem is so many things from 6.1 carry to 6.5. Keywords and the like don't really change that much in the evolution of operating systems, so while I did find what I was looking for from several months back, it took an awful long time. Subforums would make things easier to find, and potentially cut back on useless posts because the information wouldn't be as chaotic. I understand it wouldn't be as easy as snapping fingers to make it happen, but with the various groups who follow the Blackstone, subforums would make information more accessible. Just my nickel's worth.
Bit of info for everyone
I've recommended that the Blackstone rom development forums be split into 2 sub forums
Android development & WM development
Think this should be enough at present to help de-clutter the forum. I still don't see a need for further sub-forums. People just need to learn to search!!!!!
Understand, this is only a recommendation and if may not be granted
EDIT - FLar has created a new thread with a poll to enable you to vote for the rom development forum to be split into Android development & WM development
Hi Everyone,
We've received some requests to split this forum into a ROM Development section (WM) and an Android ROM Development section, please let us know what you think by voting. Feel free to post any additional comments in this thread.
Thanks in advance!
Flar
Site admin
I've stickied this till poll is closed
Right now there doesn't seem to be a ton of Android threads, but I imagine that will increase as it is perfected. As the number of threads increase there will start to be more and more confusion.
Ways to alleviate the confusion is by separating the threads or by people standardizing their thread titles. As it is right now there's enough variation in thread titles to make it a little confusing to figure out what ROM is what. Although I have to admit that cooks are getting much better over time with this process thankfully.
If thread titles were standardized I don't think there would be a need for a separation of ROMs really, although it wouldn't hurt besides the pain to moderators that have to monitor and move threads.
[ROM or KITCHEN][Languages (WWE, etc)][ROM type (WM 6.1, WM 6.5, Android)][Path-optional (28014)][ROM name and version (Flashmore V2.2)][Special key points (Sense 2.5, Manila 2.1, etc.)][Date (29-Jan-2010)]
Just as an example, maybe order of things should be different such as the date being second or something. But the order should then be standardized (including format of Date for instance DD-MMM-YYYY to avoid confusing among countries that do MM-DD-YYYY instead) and all cooks should follow this without adding all sorts of other advertising and special symbols, etc. The title should tell users exactly what the ROM is and only that. The message body is where you can make things fancy and advertise other things.
sschrupp said:
Right now there doesn't seem to be a ton of Android threads, but I imagine that will increase as it is perfected. As the number of threads increase there will start to be more and more confusion.
Ways to alleviate the confusion is by separating the threads or by people standardizing their thread titles. As it is right now there's enough variation in thread titles to make it a little confusing to figure out what ROM is what. Although I have to admit that cooks are getting much better over time with this process thankfully.
If thread titles were standardized I don't think there would be a need for a separation of ROMs really, although it wouldn't hurt besides the pain to moderators that have to monitor and move threads.
[ROM or KITCHEN][Languages (WWE, etc)][ROM type (WM 6.1, WM 6.5, Android)][Path-optional (28014)][ROM name and version (Flashmore V2.2)][Special key points (Sense 2.5, Manila 2.1, etc.)][Date (29-Jan-2010)]
Just as an example, maybe order of things should be different such as the date being second or something. But the order should then be standardized (including format of Date for instance DD-MMM-YYYY to avoid confusing among countries that do MM-DD-YYYY instead) and all cooks should follow this without adding all sorts of other advertising and special symbols, etc. The title should tell users exactly what the ROM is and only that. The message body is where you can make things fancy and advertise other things.
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I much as I agree with your recommendations, most if not all have already been mentioned in first post of this thread. We just need all chefs/devs to follow it
Hi Flar,
I think admins should split the forums at least by WM6.X and Android sections, and create a new section for WM7 in the future easily.
I think a split is a great idea. It's way to busy to find what you need.
A split between 6.1, 6.5, 7 (LOL) and Android would really clean things up.
Waste of time...
You can split it and get it lovely and tidy and 48 hours later, folks will ruin it...
I can't stand the mess, but I learn to live with it... and I think most folks do.
You can post rules, explain everything in plain English, tattoo it on their heads, and still "can you help me with my iphone?" appears.
Admit defeat already! it's like a wife... surrender to it for an easy life
I voted yes, because i think it helps to keep things clear.
But i don't know if there are actually enough androids developers and users to keep it going.
So i would say split up, and see what happens. If it turns out to be a bad idea then change it back
would reccomend this if android get more useable - but doesn't seem to be far...
But for now i'd like to see a "rom release" section and one for "rom related questions" - so it just gets a bit more useable.
best would be in my oppinion:
Touch HD:
- WM ROM release
----> here every dev opens 2 threads for his ROM - 1 for "release,bugtracker,solutions" and another for "general questions,thanks,..."
- WM ROM questions
----> all general questions wich are currently here in ROM section (Radio,SPL,and the rest)
- ANRDIOD (perhaps also split later)
----> all android related stuff
would love to see this - would make if much more readable.
Especialy the 2 thread thing for ROMs would save much time in my opinion (if used right ...)
greetings
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I think a split is a great idea. It's way to busy to find what you need.
A split between 6.1, 6.5, 7 (LOL) and Android would really clean things up.
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Organization is key in any website. More categories will improve search times and should create better overall experience if done right. With the onset of Windows 7 coming which may have completely different set of instructions like Android, they certainly required there own place. But I don't believe 6.1, 6.5 should be separated as the stickies serve all these Roms the same.
Just my thoughts..
I think that we have to split in:
1. questions and solutions (WM and android)
2. ROM's from ROM builders
Ya I Agree too... we should have split WM and Android threads so that it is much organised and easy access
+1 for splitting.
Right now there are 4-5 threads about Android, which isn't much, but they're just going to increase as it is perfected and made into a flashable ROM.
My thoughts:
Personally I think the splitting itself is a good idea, it helps the users to track of the OS that they want to use or want to use.
But come to think of it, Android OS isn't much in-need to have its own sub-category. It cannot even stand on itself as ROM yet. It still works on WiMo as background.
I disagree with the suggestion to split into WiMo 6.1, 6.5, 6.5.x, 7 or whatever else are coming out. It's definitely unnecessary and the chefs should state the version on the title of the thread, and they're doing it alright. It's also to keep members from starting new threads at the wrong sections. If we split into different WiMo versions, the next demand we can expect is that to split in each section into the-good-old TF3D, Manila 2.1, Sense 2.1, Sense 2.5 etc.
Furthermore, I think the admins are doing great jobs in trying to keep things in good shape, especially Fallen Spartan; we can see him closing down unnecessary/solved threads everyday. They're not earning money from this and they have their own lives to deal with each day, I don't think we want to burden them more by having so many sub-categories to look after, no? It's like children, the more you have, the harder for you to look after.
So I think it's unnecessary to split now. In the future when Android is ready to stand on its own, we can consider back this issue, but now is absolute unnecessary.
I think the forum should be split up and sub-splits applied within the splits...eh ROMs, How to do stuff etc.....ROMs then subsplits into Android and Blackstone and further down ( sub - sub split!) Blackstone etc etc. Is subsplit a word?
I especially would like WM split into 6.1 and 6.5 forums
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I especially would like WM split into 6.1 and 6.5 forums
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+1, it would be great!
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+1, it would be great!
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i agree to it as well. there arent much threads related to Android at this point. organised(its a wishful thinking i kno)6.1 and 6.5 sub forums will b a gr8 change
In support
I am in support of spliting the forum.....as suggested by other, it will keep the forum organised.....
I think separate categories/sub categories are definitely needed as it stands most forums on this site are a complete and utter mess and really disorganized.
If you was to have a simple category under each mobile device for roms/os versions etc it would organize things allot better here is a quick example..
Blackstone-->ROMS----WM
------>6.1
------>6.5
----Android
-------xxxx
-------xxxx
Obviously that is just a quick example but the current way of just chucking everything in one thread just doesn't work and is a ball-ache trying sort though when specifically looking for a 6.5 or a 6.1 rom. It would be nice to browse a version specific forum.
Also if the admins are not keen on having more subcategories why not just enforce some kind of uniform tagging rule for the releases that way we could have all the WM in one category and they will be clearly and uniformly tagged because at the moment it is really random and hard to follow, If all releases where tagged in same way it would make searching for specific rom versions/builds etc much more easily.