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I was browsing, and my eye got on these vflyer listings, they are offering tytn II from 300-550 dollars. they seem kind of weird. do you think it's a scam?!
http://macjoel4u.vflyer.com/4/
http://gsmarketingltd.vflyer.com/1/
http://jacksonsom.vflyer.com/5/
http://kings.vflyer.com/3/
http://omicelectronics.vflyer.com/1/
http://commerce.washingtonpost.com/...rch.cgi?ID=MR00081074_merchandise&src=froogle
http://chicago.handylist.org/list/view_listing/30350122
lungothrin said:
I was browsing, and my eye got on these vflyer listings, they are offering tytn II from 300-550 dollars. they seem kind of weird. do you think it's a scam?!
http://macjoel4u.vflyer.com/4/
http://gsmarketingltd.vflyer.com/1/
http://jacksonsom.vflyer.com/5/
http://kings.vflyer.com/3/
http://omicelectronics.vflyer.com/1/
http://commerce.washingtonpost.com/...rch.cgi?ID=MR00081074_merchandise&src=froogle
http://chicago.handylist.org/list/view_listing/30350122
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No one can afford to sell it for that price.
Known scam. DON'T BUY IT!!
yeh dont buy
the cheapest ive seen so far anywhere in the xda store here. get the discount club for $35 i think it is and you get the Kaiser unlocked for $718 total with the membership and discount. really good deal at $720.
cheapest ive seen anywhere else is $750 and you get free shipping here too. im thinking bout ordering
not to mention, those are kaiser 100s
eric b
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not to mention, those are kaiser 100s
eric b
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whats the difference?? didnt know there was more than one kind
kaiser 100 - no cameras
kaiser 110 - rear camera only
kaiser 120 - both cameras
eric b
klmsu19 said:
whats the difference?? didnt know there was more than one kind
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100 = no camera
110 = Back Camera
120 = Front and Back Camera.
now wonder they're so cheap...
lol woops, didnt refresh the page to find out someone had posted before me
Western Union?
e-dub said:
not to mention, those are kaiser 100s
eric b
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I just got an email back from this guy who's selling them for $290 on V-Flyer (http://osborneltd.vflyer.com/1/) and he said the following.
[email protected] said:
Hello,
The box content includes:HTC TyTN II Pocket PC Phone
1350mAh Battery
AC adapter (UK plug)
Headset
USB cable
Stylus
Getting started CD
End user license agreement
Warranty card
Quick start guide
User manual
Also the cost of shipping the item to you is $25 via express delivery.Payment should be made via western union money transfer.As soon as you give us the go ahead,I will give you our payment information.Please send your complete shipping address so I will ship the item the moment I get your payment confirmation.
Thank you
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I asked if they are 120s and he said the following:
[email protected] said:
Hello,
Thank you for the questions asked.
The HTC TYTN II will be shipped within the US.We are
not importing from the UK.Also it is the US version
and not th German version.
We only supply that if we have persons from germany
who want to buy and specifically ask for that.
The htc tytn ii is kaiser 120
as you will see when it gets to you.
Also we accept paypal only when you are making large
orders.
But if you pay by western union,your payment will be
confirmed online at once and your item will be shipped
out.I will give you the tracking number as soon as
your item is shipped.It should get to you in 1
business day maximum.
Waiting to hear further from you.
I will give you a call shortly.
Thank you.
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The Western Union thing sounds shakey but he says he's in Florida and tried to call me on the phone although no one was there. Hopefully he's not using the phone he wants to sell me. LOL
Any more thoughts? I can't find any posts about how this is a known scam other than this post.
TyTN4Me said:
I just got an email back from this guy who's selling them for $290 on V-Flyer (http://osborneltd.vflyer.com/1/) and he said the following.
I asked if they are 120s and he said the following:
The Western Union thing sounds shakey but he says he's in Florida and tried to call me on the phone although no one was there. Hopefully he's not using the phone he wants to sell me. LOL
Any more thoughts? I can't find any posts about how this is a known scam other than this post.
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Well, I warned you. I'm not sure how clearer I can be.
They (and others like them) post the same junk here on a constant basis. Some have fallen for it and, surprise, they've lost their money.
No offense, but just use some common sense. Do you really think any company can sell merchandise for way below cost? Where's the profit?
As the old saying goes, "If it sounds to good to be true..."
Western Union = Scam
THANKS!
TaurusBullba said:
Well, I warned you. I'm not sure how clearer I can be.
They (and others like them) post the same junk here on a constant basis. Some have fallen for it and, surprise, they've lost their money.
No offense, but just use some common sense. Do you really think any company can sell merchandise for way below cost? Where's the profit?
As the old saying goes, "If it sounds to good to be true..."
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austinchuck said:
Western Union = Scam
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Thanks guys for talking me off the cliff!
Sure way to determine if the guy is a scam is see if he's willing to take a credit card for payment or anything other than Western Union.
The scammers know Western Union is their only way to steal.
trjons said:
Sure way to determine if the guy is a scam is see if he's willing to take a credit card for payment or anything other than Western Union.
The scammers know Western Union is their only way to steal.
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Yep, ask them if they accept paypal or not, because only paypal has money back guarantee!
TyTN4Me said:
I just got an email back from this guy who's selling them for $290 on V-Flyer (http://osborneltd.vflyer.com/1/) and he said the following.
I asked if they are 120s and he said the following:
The Western Union thing sounds shakey but he says he's in Florida and tried to call me on the phone although no one was there. Hopefully he's not using the phone he wants to sell me. LOL
Any more thoughts? I can't find any posts about how this is a known scam other than this post.
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so he said that they are the ones with BOTH cameras... that would be cool..
see if you can find out where in FL,if he will give you an adress i'll try to drive over and make sure its for real, if it is i would be buying one and i could pick yours up and ship it for you so theres no chance of a scam.
Used AT&T HTC Tilt/Kaiser for sale
Money order preferably
If you need pay pal then no problem but my bro will receive the money instead of me and will take a bit more longer to get it.
Price: $220.00 (no shipping and handling)
Rom: ruu_signed_Duttys_WM6 .1_hybrid_1.64.08.21 [RTM]
Radio: KAIS_radio_only_1.64.08.21
The phone is basically new and has been well taken care of; it has no scratches and it’s in excellent condition.
For more information, PM me.
Thank you
I'm bumping this thread so others can be able to see.
UPDATED!!
I posted pics..
If you really want to get it sold, you should ship it with an extra. Like a lint roller or candle... People pay a lot of money these days for those items
Dr. Strangelove said:
If you really want to get it sold, you should ship it with an extra. Like a lint roller or candle... People pay a lot of money these days for those items
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How about the Car Battery charger?
Dr. Strangelove said:
If you really want to get it sold, you should ship it with an extra. Like a lint roller or candle... People pay a lot of money these days for those items
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Is that from Mike Moore's, Roger & Me? Where they expected all the GM workers to find jobs making lint rollers and candles?
No, but nice try
Read this thread completely:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=394724
Then you will understand my post. Reading it pissed me off and I really feel bad for the people involved. Again, I hope it gets resolved to everyone's satisfaction. But when I see a sale, I always think of that thread (NO relation whatsoever between this and the other thread).
yeah i knew about this.
For my service of selling, I will give all I can so you keep me in contact no matter what. If I have to give my phone number/msn account/ anything else then so be it.
hey, i just replied to your PM.
sorry for the delay. worked all day. please reply back.
thanks
Treat this post as a standard disclaimer and it is NOT aimed specifically at this seller.
Sadly, we recently had a case of a member who pretended to be selling Kaisers but was sending out "junk".
So -
If you buy any device from any member having seen it for sale on XDA-Developers; then you do so at your own risk. It is entirely up to you to ascertain if the description of the device is accurate and the offer genuine. You are not covered / protected in any way by XDA-Developers and XDA-Developers has not checked or authorised the sale of any device on these forums.
Can we merge this with the other post that the OP already put up offering hit tilt for sale? Or maybe with the other 50 page "help" thread as a nice
denouement to this entire saga?
it's not necessary to do..
anyways this guy is already making the deal.
I won't let him down.
the reason why Ninja Gaiden II is in the picture of my nickname is because I told him before that I was going to play the game meanwhile waiting for my brother to appear with the paypal information.
hey man, sorry i got distracted here at home.
reply back to my PM and we'll be good to go.
This thread can be closed now.
Item sold.
hey bro, got the phone!
Just as described. Glad to be back on a tilt!
It's refreshing to hear that you finally got what you deserved.
You will for sure put it in better use than I did.
Enjoy it and take care.
Try sell it on eBay, you get big bucks out of it... I paid $280 for a brand new one just week ago, too bad or I would have got your phone...
htc kaiser for sale - $350
comes with original box, app cd, manual, sync cable, 1gb microSD, flashed with a 6.1 rom,
has had screen protector quite literally from the moment i took it out of the box.
came with european charger, i'll throw in the motorola charger i've been using + car charger and car windshield mount(see: http://www.thepocketsolution.com/PSI-42435/HTC+TyTN+II+Deluxe+Dashboard+Mount.html, white pocket solutions case with clip(see http://www.thepocketsolution.com/PSI-42360/HTC+TyTN+II+White+Diplomat+Series+Case.html
original htc case, blue clear case (see: http://www.thepocketsolution.com/PSI-43906/HTC+TyTN+II+Blue+Crystal+Clear+Case.html
brand new pack of 3 styli specifically for the tytn II
if i think of anything else i'll add it later
the phone does have a few scratches along the edge of the casing but the phone works flawlessly, right now i have no pics, and honestly the scratches wouldn't be visible in a picture anyways. you already know all the specs on this phone so i'm not going to list those. it is this HTC tytn II as i mentioned before not the att tilt or any other variety
i will ship(on me) usps with insurance unless otherwise specified
email me at [email protected] for questions/offers
i accept paypal only
when i post to ebay i'll add the link here
here's the ebay link with pictures!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170229041118
just sent you an email.
Treat this post as a standard disclaimer and it is NOT aimed specifically at this seller.
If you buy any device from any member having seen it for sale on XDA-Developers; then you do so at your own risk. It is entirely up to you to ascertain if the description of the device is accurate and the offer genuine. You are not covered / protected in any way by XDA-Developers and XDA-Developers has not checked or authorized the sale of any device on these forums.
@ the OP
Please inform us if it is successfully sold so that we may close this thread at the appropriate time.
@ everyone else
I deleted the posts that were hijacking this thread. I hope you guys understand.
Thank you for understanding
Hello All,
This is just to inform you all that this phone is now sold since I have just purchased it on ebay.
This will be my second Kaiser, and I have to admit that I am very happy with it. I had a Herald before, and the Kaiser is a distinct improvement.
Thanks to all on this site who provide such good advice!! And thanks for helping me find a new phone for my wife!!
nebc100
How come no one wants to purchase my phone, although its been advertised for longer?
Sorry, 246810. I didn't see that your phone was for sale, and also, although your phone if probably a cheaper offer (if you look at what you are giving with it), I wanted the HTC model not the MDA version because I already have an HTC model myself and I don't want to have two different versions of the same phone.
Sorry!!!
P.S. I might have a Herald for sale when the Kaiser arrives as my wife currently has a Herald and she might not want it any more. Anyone interested?
P.P.S. I regulary send older models to the Philippines (my wife is from the Philippines) as charity as they cannot afford such phones there. If anyone has any of the older models (so far I have sent Wizards and a couple of Universals) and would be willing to donate them to charity (I don't make any money from this at all), please PM me. THANKS!!!!
Hey 246810.
Maybe you should reduce your price a bit to get more interest. Your Phone is a T-mobile branded TYTN so will not have the look of the original TYTN from HTC Which may put some poeple off a bit.
I recently had the opportunity to purchase a MDA vario 3 for £200 brand-new and never used but my heart was set on an orginal looking one. A week later I managed to get an orange branded one with a HTC replacement battery cover £250.
I'm not saying yours isn't a bad offer. But maybe the price is a bit too much for what it is.
Hope you find luck selling it.
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Sorry, 246810. I didn't see that your phone was for sale, and also, although your phone if probably a cheaper offer (if you look at what you are giving with it), I wanted the HTC model not the MDA version because I already have an HTC model myself and I don't want to have two different versions of the same phone.
Sorry!!!
P.S. I might have a Herald for sale when the Kaiser arrives as my wife currently has a Herald and she might not want it any more. Anyone interested?
P.P.S. I regulary send older models to the Philippines (my wife is from the Philippines) as charity as they cannot afford such phones there. If anyone has any of the older models (so far I have sent Wizards and a couple of Universals) and would be willing to donate them to charity (I don't make any money from this at all), please PM me. THANKS!!!!
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Yep, I have a thread advertising my phone. I'm still waiting for my paypal set up to come through and then I will put in on Ebay. Mine is brand new as well and hasn't even be switched on and comes with all you need.
Good luck with your herald- quite personally I don't see myself purchasing a Windws Mobile phone again in a very long time...
just great...
246810 said:
How come no one wants to purchase my phone, although its been advertised for longer?
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Cause I have no way of getting to London, lol. If you wanna fly to the US and sell it face to face let me know
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Cause I have no way of getting to London, lol. If you wanna fly to the US and sell it face to face let me know
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Lol. Okay, point made. If there is a buyer in London, UK then I am willing to meet face to face as this is the safest method for both the buyer and seller. I really do want to get rid of it however, and when my Paypal is sorted out shortly, you can purchase it by paypal if you're interested?....
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Lol. Okay, point made. If there is a buyer in London, UK then I am willing to meet face to face as this is the safest method for both the buyer and seller. I really do want to get rid of it however, and when my Paypal is sorted out shortly, you can purchase it by paypal if you're interested?....
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Thats what 550-600USD? Not really, can almost buy a diamond for that price and an att tilt for half of that
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Thats what 550-600USD? Not really, can almost buy a diamond for that price and an att tilt for half of that
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May I ask if you can buy it for this price brand new? I do find it hard to believe that you can purchase a new Diamond for around £290. Who are you purchasing them from? Cuboosh?...
Also, keep in mind that it comes with 4 cases, two of which are the boxwave clear active case and Siedo's case, and two leather cases, Sony Bluetooth headphones in good condition, along with a virtually unused very compact Bluetooth keyboard that I purchased off Expansys for £60/$120.
not to hijack the thread or anything, but just to let you know, that most people dont really care about that stuff. i wouldnt pay extra for a bluetooth keyboard. why would i need it??? hah 4 cases??!!! one is more than enough. just letting you know why you're having problems selling it so far. maybe try selling that stuff separately??
So i am the owner of a Diamond now.
The thing is i have 2 old HTC's of which both have a broken screen, maybe someone in 'the scene' can find a good use for them.
I am offering a t-mobile(nl) branded kaiser with a broken screen to the first one that wants to pay shipment!
so be quick!
I've been looking for this (see my signature). PM sent.
Where are you shipping from? And how are you willing to accept payment? I'm willing to paypal you money for that.
ok i am shipping from holland. I don't know if it will be fair if i make a action out of it.
but just out of couriousity what will a kaiser with broken screen go for these days?
luxxx said:
ok i am shipping from holland. I don't know if it will be fair if i make a action out of it.
but just out of couriousity what will a kaiser with broken screen go for these days?
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I'm not exactly sure, however from what i see is around $40 or so. I have a friend selling his Kaiser with a broken keyboard for 40 and another person PMed me with a cracked screen for that price as well.
luxxx said:
ok i am shipping from holland. I don't know if it will be fair if i make a action out of it.
but just out of couriousity what will a kaiser with broken screen go for these days?
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Not sure what you mean action, but you did offer it for free + shipping. Kareem would have dibs on it in my opinion. And it's a little late to see what you can sell it for. (in my opinion again)
Shipping from Holland? Ur profile has you down as Fido.ca (canada) and you have the USA flag. lol
I'm just looking for any Kaiser to flash ROMs on. I hate flashing ROMs and hours of testing on my single Kaiser as it gets tedious to recustomize everything. As long as it's flashable, i'm okay. If you end up wanting to sell it, that is your business and i wouldn't interfere.
Lol peterfnet, it's when people register and forget to change it so i think he hasn't gotten a chance to change it. When i saw the (nl) his post, i knew it would be coming from the Netherlands area .
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Lol peterfnet, it's when people register and forget to change it so i think he hasn't gotten a chance to change it. When i saw the (nl) his post, i knew it would be coming from the Netherlands area .
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I was hoping he was an early adopter that paid for some Euro version and was a Canadian that left for the fantastic US of A
haha the great us of a i just love my little pod smoking social country
Anyways i decided to keep my promiss, and offer it to the first one that reacts and is willing to pay for shipping.
in this case that is kareem, and nr 2 is lfuc!
Where in Holland are you?
You have a pm.
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Not sure what you mean action, but you did offer it for free + shipping. Kareem would have dibs on it in my opinion. And it's a little late to see what you can sell it for. (in my opinion again)
Shipping from Holland? Ur profile has you down as Fido.ca (canada) and you have the USA flag. lol
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well people are allowed to change their mind.
unbrick your tytn2 (kaiser) and buya new screen for 15 euro!!then sold it!
grow up your experience with this xda!!it's beautiful but you MUST BE not religious
um.....oh yes and I hear the daises are blooming in the red square this time of the year, but be careful not to trip over the crocodiles.
(Forgot who said that originally)
luxxx said:
So i am the owner of a Diamond now.
The thing is i have 2 old HTC's of which both have a broken screen, maybe someone in 'the scene' can find a good use for them.
I am offering a t-mobile(nl) branded kaiser with a broken screen to the first one that wants to pay shipment!
so be quick!
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Hey,
Do you still have the phone? As my tytn (I) is having some problems.
I also live in the netherlands, so shipping wouldn't be a problem.
So I tend to list my old phones on Gumtree, due to eBay's crazy fees. With eBay and Paypal, you sell a phone for £400 and give them £40 of it! Kinda crazy really.
Anyway, everytime I list an item on Gumtree (even through I state I wont ship internationally) I get e-mails people telling me they will pay me X+£100 via Paypal.
Of course I always either ignore or reply telling them I wont ship outside of the UK at which point they don't reply.
What I'm curious about is, how do they work the scam? Paypal is generally quite safe isn't it? Do they claim after two week's they haven't received the item? Does the money just never get to Paypal and they try and talk you in to sending it before it's there?
I'm half tempted to ask one of them to pay the money, me with no intention of sending the phone anywhere, just to see what happens...
http://reviews.ebay.com/PAYPAL-BUYER-SCAM-EXTREMELY-IMPORTANT-INFORMATION_W0QQugidZ10000000000114286
Basically unless you have proof that you have sent, and that they have signed for an item, PayPal will refund the money.
a specific example
So from the example, even if you have proof that the package was delivered, Paypal are likely to give the money back?
I wonder what happens if I ask the scammers to transfer direct into my bank account?
That's made me a little nervous now. I've just sold my DHD on eBay, the guy has paid with Paypal right away.
What are the safest steps for me next? I simply post it via recorded delivery and submit the tracking number to eBay somewhere?
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That's made me a little nervous now. I've just sold my DHD on eBay, the guy has paid with Paypal right away.
What are the safest steps for me next? I simply post it via recorded delivery and submit the tracking number to eBay somewhere?
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and on paypal too
Thinking about it, I should probably do it special delivery, because that is insured. So if he claims its damaged or something, I can go back to Royal Mail?
Now... the other thing, the guy is only 7 miles away, I'd prefer to drop it over to him. If I get him to sign a 'receipt' do you think Paypal would accept it? I guess I'm actually safer posting it now, he's paid for postage, so he could claim I made it up, where's my postage info...
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I'm half tempted to ask one of them to pay the money, me with no intention of sending the phone anywhere, just to see what happens...
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I replied to a spam scam once, I gave him the crime stoppers number as my mobile number. Idiot didn't notice what is was, just asked for my personal number. At that point I ignored.
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Thinking about it, I should probably do it special delivery, because that is insured. So if he claims its damaged or something, I can go back to Royal Mail?
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So long as you keep the receipt for postage, and make a note of the time and date, where you posted it etc, the Post Office will refund up to £30 (I think that's the amount anyway) for missing items, after they have investigated. Anything more expensive, and I would suggest you send it with insurance anyway.
Are you guys serious??????
just search "gumtree scams paypal moneysavingexpert" on google (sorry can't post links)
That's why I stopped using gumtree overall. It is nothing but a scam den! Now I use other safer sites like movethat.com or bonsoni.com
Not if you're careful. I've not been scammed once using Gumtree and I've made more money from each sale as I'm not giving eBay and Paypal 12% of my sale. You could say that in itself is the biggest scam...
I do still use eBay, cause we don't really have any other auction alternatives do we?
Yes if you are smart then you should be ok (although my smart cousin lost his deposit money for a flat) . But the problem is Internet is available to everyone, even to the granny who never used a comp before.
usually these kind of naive people are becoming a victim. Just search gumtree fraud or gumtree scam on google news search thousands on result come up! Apparently police stopped taking this crime reports as they are too many of them.
You are not giving that 12% to ebay and paypal but do remember that actually you are doing them a favour by using gumtree, which is own by ebay and paypal.
That's what happened when capitalism reach at its pick and consumers don't have much choice.
Once again I prefer to use other smaller and safer sites then any of the above named site.
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I do still use eBay, cause we don't really have any other auction alternatives do we?
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eBid.net is an alternative to Ebay.
The alternative I used for Gumtree.com is OzAdz.com. I love their Personals section lol.
Mercedes325 said:
eBid.net is an alternative to Ebay.
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I don't think it's a viable alternative though. For example, there's 1 Nexus S for sale on eBid. If I'm looking for a phone, why would I go to eBid. If I'm selling, why would I start an auction on eBid, next to no-one see's it and my item sells at a crazy low price
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I don't think it's a viable alternative though. For example, there's 1 Nexus S for sale on eBid. If I'm looking for a phone, why would I go to eBid. If I'm selling, why would I start an auction on eBid, next to no-one see's it and my item sells at a crazy low price
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One reason to use smaller websites like ebid is because less people will bid, so you may pick up a bargain.
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One reason to use smaller websites like ebid is because less people will bid, so you may pick up a bargain.
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That's exactly what I'm saying, thanks. Very bad for sellers, not a viable option.