So I tend to list my old phones on Gumtree, due to eBay's crazy fees. With eBay and Paypal, you sell a phone for £400 and give them £40 of it! Kinda crazy really.
Anyway, everytime I list an item on Gumtree (even through I state I wont ship internationally) I get e-mails people telling me they will pay me X+£100 via Paypal.
Of course I always either ignore or reply telling them I wont ship outside of the UK at which point they don't reply.
What I'm curious about is, how do they work the scam? Paypal is generally quite safe isn't it? Do they claim after two week's they haven't received the item? Does the money just never get to Paypal and they try and talk you in to sending it before it's there?
I'm half tempted to ask one of them to pay the money, me with no intention of sending the phone anywhere, just to see what happens...
http://reviews.ebay.com/PAYPAL-BUYER-SCAM-EXTREMELY-IMPORTANT-INFORMATION_W0QQugidZ10000000000114286
Basically unless you have proof that you have sent, and that they have signed for an item, PayPal will refund the money.
a specific example
So from the example, even if you have proof that the package was delivered, Paypal are likely to give the money back?
I wonder what happens if I ask the scammers to transfer direct into my bank account?
That's made me a little nervous now. I've just sold my DHD on eBay, the guy has paid with Paypal right away.
What are the safest steps for me next? I simply post it via recorded delivery and submit the tracking number to eBay somewhere?
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That's made me a little nervous now. I've just sold my DHD on eBay, the guy has paid with Paypal right away.
What are the safest steps for me next? I simply post it via recorded delivery and submit the tracking number to eBay somewhere?
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and on paypal too
Thinking about it, I should probably do it special delivery, because that is insured. So if he claims its damaged or something, I can go back to Royal Mail?
Now... the other thing, the guy is only 7 miles away, I'd prefer to drop it over to him. If I get him to sign a 'receipt' do you think Paypal would accept it? I guess I'm actually safer posting it now, he's paid for postage, so he could claim I made it up, where's my postage info...
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I'm half tempted to ask one of them to pay the money, me with no intention of sending the phone anywhere, just to see what happens...
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I replied to a spam scam once, I gave him the crime stoppers number as my mobile number. Idiot didn't notice what is was, just asked for my personal number. At that point I ignored.
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Thinking about it, I should probably do it special delivery, because that is insured. So if he claims its damaged or something, I can go back to Royal Mail?
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So long as you keep the receipt for postage, and make a note of the time and date, where you posted it etc, the Post Office will refund up to £30 (I think that's the amount anyway) for missing items, after they have investigated. Anything more expensive, and I would suggest you send it with insurance anyway.
Are you guys serious??????
just search "gumtree scams paypal moneysavingexpert" on google (sorry can't post links)
That's why I stopped using gumtree overall. It is nothing but a scam den! Now I use other safer sites like movethat.com or bonsoni.com
Not if you're careful. I've not been scammed once using Gumtree and I've made more money from each sale as I'm not giving eBay and Paypal 12% of my sale. You could say that in itself is the biggest scam...
I do still use eBay, cause we don't really have any other auction alternatives do we?
Yes if you are smart then you should be ok (although my smart cousin lost his deposit money for a flat) . But the problem is Internet is available to everyone, even to the granny who never used a comp before.
usually these kind of naive people are becoming a victim. Just search gumtree fraud or gumtree scam on google news search thousands on result come up! Apparently police stopped taking this crime reports as they are too many of them.
You are not giving that 12% to ebay and paypal but do remember that actually you are doing them a favour by using gumtree, which is own by ebay and paypal.
That's what happened when capitalism reach at its pick and consumers don't have much choice.
Once again I prefer to use other smaller and safer sites then any of the above named site.
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I do still use eBay, cause we don't really have any other auction alternatives do we?
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eBid.net is an alternative to Ebay.
The alternative I used for Gumtree.com is OzAdz.com. I love their Personals section lol.
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eBid.net is an alternative to Ebay.
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I don't think it's a viable alternative though. For example, there's 1 Nexus S for sale on eBid. If I'm looking for a phone, why would I go to eBid. If I'm selling, why would I start an auction on eBid, next to no-one see's it and my item sells at a crazy low price
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I don't think it's a viable alternative though. For example, there's 1 Nexus S for sale on eBid. If I'm looking for a phone, why would I go to eBid. If I'm selling, why would I start an auction on eBid, next to no-one see's it and my item sells at a crazy low price
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One reason to use smaller websites like ebid is because less people will bid, so you may pick up a bargain.
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One reason to use smaller websites like ebid is because less people will bid, so you may pick up a bargain.
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That's exactly what I'm saying, thanks. Very bad for sellers, not a viable option.
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Too good to be true?
£18 delivered in the UK...
He must be good, someone who bought one just after midnight this morning has left feedback before 10am!
Seriously tempted, with Paypal chargeback protection...
ETA: Having reread the auction, this is very odd: "ALL SERIOUS BUYERS PLEASE LEAVE POSATIVE FEEDBACK DIRECTLY AFTER BUY OR I WILL REFUND THANKYOU" hmmm, definitely seems to good to be true!
sounds like a con. people leave feedback then pron dont recieve the item and cant leave bad feedback making more and more people get coned.
i would not risk it
I've risked it!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=260380788555
When I asked him he said he'd sold an iPhone and lost £400 "due to the feedback being stupid".
He's refunded me and cancelled the auction. Some people are no fun.
Who'll be the first to give him some feedback on that one...
he might be doing this to get good feedback.
they refunding u so u dont complain to ebay, then later when he has a lot of feedback try and con someone by selling something or a couple of big things (ps3, cameras, laptops, phones etc) and getting the money and running.
paypal will prob pay some of it back but he will get away with it as only needs fake address and after con cancel card
If that is his plan, he's not that smart about it.
He will have paid fees on all the listings and sales which add up (and I am not going to let him claim them back easily if he tries as he is a non-performing seller).
Better still, his email address has his own domain, a whois on that reveals his name address and telephone number (I don't think he is smart enough to fake them).
He's just had a neg from someone over an iPhone, and positive FB from a memory card buyer, so I don't know if they are happy to have been refunded or are trying to get the sale to keep on track.
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If that is his plan, he's not that smart about it.
He will have paid fees on all the listings and sales which add up (and I am not going to let him claim them back easily if he tries as he is a non-performing seller).
Better still, his email address has his own domain, a whois on that reveals his name address and telephone number (I don't think he is smart enough to fake them).
He's just had a neg from someone over an iPhone, and positive FB from a memory card buyer, so I don't know if they are happy to have been refunded or are trying to get the sale to keep on track.
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there are very stupid people trying to make quick money that, hes just trying to get feedback.
the costs wont worry him if he trys to sell lots of big items. (there was one person sell 6 nokia n95 a while back at £300 a pop. got the £1800 and then canceled the card and ran).
@Grayme,
By accident I found you here. Just wanted to say ´Hello´! It´s a long time ago, since we played with SRS´s TodayPlus...
Best regards,
Timmy
16GB TF Card
be careful!
it must be a scam!
I searched 16GB TF card on Google and MSN for a long time, the average price is further higher than it! and the lowest one is:
http://www.onthesource.com/16gb-micro-sd-tf-memory-card.html
I think US$63~US$80.00 is reasonable.
Hi, i am recently bought a "SUPPOSED NIB HTC TOUCH PRO", but when i got the phone, it is "A BAD REFURBISHED ONE".
Opened a case already in Ebay, and the seller said will refund the money after i send back the phone & also said "don't trust me" (ridiculious, he was the one who absolutely lied, and i never did anything wrong)
I have to loose my money sending him back the phone for $40+.
And i also afraid if i send him back the phone, he could report the item was not complete or something like that (because of what he did already, i can't trust him at all), as often happened in Ebay, the buyer sending back the item, but the seller don't refund the money, like this
Here is the story
Seems like i will loose my money for "A supposed NIB HTC Touch Pro" but got "A Bad Refurbished One"
What will you do if you are facing something like this ?
Opinion please, and thanks a ton before for any opinion, i really appreciate.
Fly directly to Wakefield, MA. and give him a beat down with some bars of soap in a pillow case.
good day.
chopper the dog said:
Fly directly to Wakefield, MA. and give him a beat down with some bars of soap in a pillow case.
good day.
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Alternatively, photo everything when it is boxed up so that he can not say things are missing, as you have proof that is was all packed securely. eBay should helped resolve this issue. They can be quite useful, sometimes.
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Alternatively, photo everything when it is boxed up so that he can not say things are missing, as you have proof that is was all packed securely. eBay should helped resolve this issue. They can be quite useful, sometimes.
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Your opinion is good basically, i admit that, but the problem here, i have to loose more than $40 sending him back the phone with a tracking #, if i send back without a tracking #, the seller can say that he never accept the package (no prove).
And the most important thing that the seller can just report "something lie" as he did lie already in the auction.
For example, the seller can just report that the phone "Dead On Arrival" or can be anything ( i can not think right now), just really dissapointed, and feel i have just to loose my money.
You can see in the email, how can i trust again a seller like this.
He said he didn't trust me (a person who never did anything wrong), and from his email, he want me to trust him to send him back the phone.
I just feel , the person can not really be trusted anymore.
And until now, the seller don't respond anymore to my email.
There are quite a few idiots out there isn't there?
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Your opinion is good basically, i admit that, but the problem here, i have to loose more than $40 sending him back the phone with a tracking #, if i send back without a tracking #, the seller can say that he never accept the package (no prove).
And the most important thing that the seller can just report "something lie" as he did lie already in the auction.
For example, the seller can just report that the phone "Dead On Arrival" or can be anything ( i can not think right now), just really dissapointed, and feel i have just to loose my money.
You can see in the email, how can i trust again a seller like this.
He said he didn't trust me (a person who never did anything wrong), and from his email, he want me to trust him to send him back the phone.
I just feel , the person can not really be trusted anymore.
And until now, the seller don't respond anymore to my email.
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hand over the case to ebay, they will pay for shipping also and give you a label, i had this problem and i escalated it to ebay, they pay for the shipping, and i think it was sent to ebay
also say you dont trust the seller to ebay, it should, make calls and pursue them with lots of calls, it helps
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hand over the case to ebay, they will pay for shipping also and give you a label, i had this problem and i escalated it to ebay, they pay for the shipping, and i think it was sent to ebay
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already opened a case in Ebay, and Ebay decision, will give a full refund without the shipping cost from me to the seller, once the item received by the seller.
But i am just afraid the seller would do "something lie" again (who knows), as he did in the auction.
Just really ridiculious to advertised "NIB PHONE" but send a phone as you see on the picuture. Too far away from NIB.
Now trying to work it out by asking the seller to give me partial refund, but the seller don't anwer my email anymore.
Hmmm very difficult, i tried already to choose the seller from his feedback, but his feedback don't represent well.
He has 100%, i have 100% feedback too.
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already opened a case in Ebay, and Ebay decision, will give a full refund without the shipping cost from me to the seller, once the item received by the seller.
But i am just afraid the seller would do "something lie" again (who knows), as he did in the auction.
Just really ridiculious to advertised "NIB PHONE" but send a phone as you see on the picuture. Too far away from NIB.
Now trying to work it out by asking the seller to give me partial refund, but the seller don't anwer my email anymore.
Hmmm very difficult, i tried already to choose the seller from his feedback, but his feedback don't represent well.
He has 100%, i have 100% feedback too.
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Phone ebay and tell them that you don't trust him to send it back, that should help push it down the course diamond_dawg said.
You shouldnt loose money on this.
if you stop shouting like a child whos sammich was took out of his hands , ebay might side by you
I thought that as soon as I botheed to look at the screenshots.
Caps Lock isn't clever. You can loose arguments purley on the use of caps lock. It makes as if you're shouting, and as that is what you are doing, I'm not too surprised the seller is a little bit skeptical. Whilst I do not agree with him selling the item as he has, I think you will have much more luck if you try and use sentence case and actually not shout.
It also takes longer to read as it is not as easy for the eyes and mind to processes...
That being said. Let us know how it goes with sorting this issue out. I'm sure eBay will listen if you act like an adult and do not use caps to them.
And you're going to risk 135$+ for $40 shipping?
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Caps Lock isn't clever. You can loose arguments purley on the use of caps lock. It makes as if you're shouting, and as that is what you are doing, I'm not too surprised the seller is a little bit skeptical. Whilst I do not agree with him selling the item as he has, I think you will have much more luck if you try and use sentence case and actually not shout.
That being said. Let us know how it goes with sorting this issue out. I'm sure eBay will listen if you act like an adult and do not use caps to them.
And you're going to risk 135$+ for $40 shipping?
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You are abosultely correct, i was wrong by using that capslock, but at that time, i just really could not control my finger, my fault.
Just felt angry when i bought a New In Box Phone but got a phone like in the picture.
$150, it is much money and it is small money, it is just depends for who, for me, i am doing this all for a living, that's why i just angry unrealizedly.
Btw : thank you all for your input, i am still waiting for these few hours for seller to respond, if he doesn't reply, i will think again, sending him back the phone is not a good choice in my mind, i could even loose $40 shipping + $135 the phone + first shipping cost (anything i don't imagine can happen if i send him back the phone as already happened when i bought that phone)
1 last feedback for this seller at this time from another buyer "Never received item. Possible post problem? Either way, I'm disappointed. "
Making a phone call to Ebay is really a good suggestion, but the problem is my english is not good enough in speaking, so it will be difficult too for me.
This is just a hard way for me to learn that there are few out there who can sell a phone like that but stated "New In Box", i just really can't imagine if he has "a feeling" (may be this word is not correct to represent what i mean)
Anyway, i really appreciate all of your input all and one most important thing, you are all make me realize "to act wiser", thank you very much for that especially "capatinstu72" and i respect all of you here.
Even though wiser sometimes need our full patience, i mean for example if $150 for a person is not really much money, it could just "forget it" , but if $150 so worthed for someone to make a living, it is just need more effort to be patience.
It will be not so hard if something like this happened to a person who have a lot/enough money, but for someone who don't have that, they have to work hard again to make that $ back.
Hello everyone, I have some stuff to sell, as well as a couple of others I would like to purchase. Is purchasing and selling through ebay safe? I really don't want to sign up for Paypal, so do you think it would be possible to conduct business without a need for Paypal? Thanks
You need PayPal for eBay that's just how it works... As far as safe goes I've never had a bad eBay experience and I have bought upwards of 50 items.
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follow the "tips for sellers" and tips for "buyer and seller protection" and u should be cool with paypal
ud be much safer if u do paypal only , as most scammars use other methods .
also , if a guy with -1, 0 , 1 or 2 bids an unreasonable amount on your stuff , it should raise a huge red flag in your head(too good to be true)
eBay is perfectly safe and i've bought and sold lots of things. Paypal is safer than other payment options. If you do have any problems you contact paypal or ebay and they will deal with it.
If it wasn't safe million of people wouldn't be using it.
Having recently bought and sold a few things on ebay, I would definitely recommend it!
So long as you put some effort in to your sales (good quality pictures, and good descriptions) then you are bound to sell.
Just be wary of VERY new users, and those with no activity in the last year or so.
I was selling my Galaxy S on ebay, and had to list it THREE times because scammers had won the auction. and then tried sending me fake paypal emails and getting me to send the item whilst 'payment was processed with Western Union'
I would suggest that you ONLY accept payment via paypal, and that you take control of your auction.
I cancelled the bids of people I didn't trust, ended the auction early and sold to the current high bidder. £20 less, but it was clear from their ratings that they could be trusted.
I've been buying stuff at ebay. I got this phone there too.
Paypal is required if you want to be entitled to the Buyer's Protection Program.
Haven't tried selling though.
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Im currently hooked on ebay......
Sold my old N95 and a W850i....... Reinvesting the money in "broken" phones...
Just look at the user feedbacks, a lot of people ask that users with a low number of feedbacks dont bid on their items. You could try that but beware you may be excluding genuinely honest people who just dont use ebay very much.
Paypal allows you to claim back you money if you dont receive an item as well so its not really a bad thing. You dont have to give them your bank details either if you dont want to.
If your selling high value items then take a not of serial numbers etc..
In case some twat tries to get a refund on his broken down crap and keep the working one you sent him.
So I had about $200 to spend on a cell and wanted something with a key bored.
Long story short, I won a my touch 3g slide on ebay for $144.50 from "bigpetesales" and I paid on the 16 of April. Well its not May 11 and still nothing.
I tried to contact him threw ebay 2 weeks ago to see if he had a tracking number for me and didnt hear anything back which I thought was weired since every other time I asked him a question he would respond asap. Any ways I filed a clam with paypal but fell Im not gonna get money back and in the end, get the shaft.
Just wanted to let you peeps know of my transaction with "bigpetesales" from ebay and give a warning to the community.
just try dispute on paypal =)...all will be solve
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So I had about $200 to spend on a cell and wanted something with a key bored.
Long story short, I won a my touch 3g slide on ebay for $144.50 from "bigpetesales" and I paid on the 16 of April. Well its not May 11 and still nothing.
I tried to contact him threw ebay 2 weeks ago to see if he had a tracking number for me and didnt hear anything back which I thought was weired since every other time I asked him a question he would respond asap. Any ways I filed a clam with paypal but fell Im not gonna get money back and in the end, get the shaft.
Just wanted to let you peeps know of my transaction with "bigpetesales" from ebay and give a warning to the community.
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is he/she on this forum?
I'd say **** on their feedback, and dispute on PayPal and eBay.
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is he/she on this forum?
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Not sure. Hope so, so maybe I can get this sorted out.
As for the dispute on paypal. I allready did but, because the sale price was not over $150 paypal dose not require signature verification to prove it was delivered.
I paid $144.50 without shipping so Im up ****s creek without a paddle.
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Not sure. Hope so, so maybe I can get this sorted out.
As for the dispute on paypal. I allready did but, because the sale price was not over $150 paypal dose not require signature verification to prove it was delivered.
I paid $144.50 without shipping so Im up ****s creek without a paddle.
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I should think it is up to the seller to prove it wasn't delivered. Your dispute should work.
On a side note, T-Mobile is offering these for free with 2 year activation, through 12 May:
http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones...zygt*VAygtzlw*VyBpAgf+mA55Byf*VyBpAgf+mA55Byf
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Not sure. Hope so, so maybe I can get this sorted out.
As for the dispute on paypal. I allready did but, because the sale price was not over $150 paypal dose not require signature verification to prove it was delivered.
I paid $144.50 without shipping so Im up ****s creek without a paddle.
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Don't worry. If he doesn't prove the tracking is moving, paypal will be in your favor.
He sold stuff before but wasn't active in ebay for couple months now. Maybe his account got hacked.
Either way, you're protected by eBay buyer protection and paypal too.
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=bigpetesales&ftab=AllFeedback
Is it just me or does this thread have nothing to do with the XDA Marketplace?
eBay can solve all of your problems, they always have for me. They side with the buyer 99% of the time unless it's obvious otherwise.
chambo622 said:
Is it just me or does this thread have nothing to do with the XDA Marketplace?
eBay can solve all of your problems, they always have for me. They side with the buyer 99% of the time unless it's obvious otherwise.
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It is a cell phone transaction and since many of us use eBay and market for sales/trade, its nice to have a heads up on him. I appreciate the info.
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I should think it is up to the seller to prove it wasn't delivered. Your dispute should work.
On a side note, T-Mobile is offering these for free with 2 year activation, through 12 May:
http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones...zygt*VAygtzlw*VyBpAgf+mA55Byf*VyBpAgf+mA55Byf
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I am in Canada and need an AWS cell to use on the Wind network, but thanks for the tip any ways.
Also I know that this has nothing to do with a transaction on xda but as stated I just wanted to give a heads up in case some one from here was shopping on ebay and came across that seller.
As for paypal, I could win but get nothing if he withdrew his funds out of his account, this is what I was told by paypal yesterday when I called them.
if you win, paypal will get all money for you.....
if user don't have money in him account, we will have a negative money on him account...and paypal will persue him to revenge xD loool
Sooo I got an update from ebay/paypal, the seller updated the tracking info.... "usps #1111111111111111111"
Yup I think I got screwed.
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Sooo I got an update from ebay/paypal, the seller updated the tracking info.... "usps #1111111111111111111"
Yup I think I got screwed.
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Wow, that's pretty a messed up/ballsy thing to do. Needless to say if you file a claim that you'll get your money back with ease simply based on that.
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Wow, that's pretty a messed up/ballsy thing to do. Needless to say if you file a claim that you'll get your money back with ease simply based on that.
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He didn't even try to fake it.
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Nope, all 1's. It is what it is. I just hope I get my money back.
If a paypal rep looks at it, they would probably look at the tracking # and say something. Wish you the best of luck on that one.
Surprised. A hundred and something positives, no neg feedback on that user. That sucks to get shafted like that.
Good luck on getting it back from Paypal, though it should be a pretty easy claim.
Thanks guys. I dont know whats gonna happen as I was told by a person from paypal that I can win the claim but there could be no funds in the sellers account, so I would get nothing back.
I just had a paypal dispute close a little while ago for $250. seller took out all the money in his account, won the case, pay pal put his account into the negative and gave me my money back asap. told me it was there problem not mine. so its worth a shot... and this was a pay pal dispute that was from a forum not a eBay purchase which they are more willing to help with because of image. good luck
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I just had a paypal dispute close a little while ago for $250. seller took out all the money in his account, won the case, pay pal put his account into the negative and gave me my money back asap. told me it was there problem not mine. so its worth a shot... and this was a pay pal dispute that was from a forum not a eBay purchase which they are more willing to help with because of image. good luck
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If the seller don't got a credit card or bank account linked, there's no funds to take from. . Best of luck on getting your money back OP.
*NOTE: This can be deleted, because I was being a moron. All I had to do was log into my PayPal account and see the funds weren't there, or even pending, and I knew immediately someone was trying to scam me. Should have known sooner, though.
So, I "sold" my HTC One on Craigslist, and the person who bought it apparently wants me to ship it to Nigeria where her son is sttending school; it's for his birthday. She gave me 60 bucks more than I was asking via PayPal, which she stated was for shipping. Aside from not knowing whether the Sprint variant will even work over there (does anyone know?), I can't help but feel uneasy about this whole thing. I guess as long as the funds clear I'm safe, and am under no obligation to (unlike with eBay), to right any wrongs she might point out later down the line. Should I just take the money send the phone and run, or is there something I'm not seeing that could cause legitimate problems?
Oh man that's a big no no. Doing business with people on craigslist who want to pay you through PayPal and Western Union plus wanting you to send it to another country which always seems to be in Africa is almost always a scam. If you read the craiglist faq you might get more info on what they do.
Edit: Glad you caught it
Mwahaha, I remember having one of these for a listing on my Galaxy Tab 10.1. Businessman in Nigeria for his son's birthday. Were it not for the bad English, they actually had a reasonably convincing-looking PayPal e-mail notification (which failed Google's trusted vendor mail check, sure, but it was good nevertheless).
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Oh man that's a big no no. Doing business with people on craigslist who want to pay you through PayPal and Western Union plus wanting you to send it to another country which always seems to be in Africa is almost always a scam. If you read the craiglist faq you might get more info on what they do.
Edit: Glad you caught it
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Actually, the PayPal thing was my idea. It was my way to get a higher dollar amount for the phone, kind of like what some gas stations do with credit-based sales. In my case I asked $425 cash or $450 via PayPal. Maybe I should stick with cash and local sales, though.
And this scammer was the same deal, Rirere, except it was a woman sending to her son. I Googled the mailing address faux PayPal sent me and found other people who had also almost been ripped off.
It's a good idea to always deal in cash, locally, and meet at a sprint store. Unless you are selling on ebay, doing it this way will cover both seller and buyer.