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Replacing front/QWERTY keyboard + housing - T4/T5/T6?

I'm replacing the housing on my AT&T Tilt with the OEM HTC from CNN.CN as well as the front/QWERTY keypads,
I was wondering if anybody could verify the screwdriver set I need to replace such items - I've been searching but answers ranged from T4/T5 to T5/T6. I need to order them along with the repair items and wanted to make sure I got the right ones.
Thanks!

From what i got from Mike Channon's Dissasembly guide your going to need a T7, and a T6. Check out that dissasembly guide and see for yourself.
good luck and take pics along the way to share with everyone! Also were you able to locate the front camera?

fone_fanatic said:
From what i got from Mike Channon's Dissasembly guide your going to need a T7, and a T6. Check out that dissasembly guide and see for yourself.
good luck and take pics along the way to share with everyone! Also were you able to locate the front camera?
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Thanks, luckily I found a 12-in-1 set on eBay for $7 shipped!!
Cost $100 to replace the full housing and both keyboards I'll update the thread in a week or two after I get the parts to tell you how the install goes.

please show us pics. I wanna see a hybrid kaiser/tilt

what's the differences in the keyboards from the OEM HTC and the Tilt?
i thought the only difference was in the front camera and what not

meeek said:
what's the differences in the keyboards from the OEM HTC and the Tilt?
i thought the only difference was in the front camera and what not
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Non-US qwerty keypads seem a bit bigger - I got one from Canada (had some "asian" characters on it) and it seemed a few milimeters too big for the fitment

Broke Tilt in half

So one of my friends at work had an att tilt. However his son dropped it out of his pants pocket and the screen popped off. Screen is still in one piece however completly seperated from the tilt mechanism and the ribbon cable is missing. So I told him instead of throwing it away (cause att does not offer insurance) to give it to me and I'd see what I can do (Gonna unlock it and use it as an upgrade for my wing ).
I've read some of the hardware manuals and can already see I'll need parts to fix it. But I have no ideas what ones. Or if it's even worth it to fix. I mean its basically a free tilt minus any repair costs. Any help?

wshader said:
So one of my friends at work had an att tilt. However his son dropped it out of his pants pocket and the screen popped off. Screen is still in one piece however completly seperated from the tilt mechanism and the ribbon cable is missing. So I told him instead of throwing it away (cause att does not offer insurance) to give it to me and I'd see what I can do (Gonna unlock it and use it as an upgrade for my wing ).
I've read some of the hardware manuals and can already see I'll need parts to fix it. But I have no ideas what ones. Or if it's even worth it to fix. I mean its basically a free tilt minus any repair costs. Any help?
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Check thi site, there is a manual how to dismantle kaiser. Could be helpful:
http://michael-channon.spaces.live....smantling+%2f+Disassembling+Guides+HTC%2fETEN

Thank you, however thats actually the repair manual I looked at. However while looking for parts I have yet to find the ribbon cable that connects to the display.
This is basically what I have except the ribbon cable is missing. And alot of steps missing to get it this way.

wshader said:
Thank you, however thats actually the repair manual I looked at. However while looking for parts I have yet to find the ribbon cable that connects to the display.
This is basically what I have except the ribbon cable is missing.
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OMG, that had to hurt.

Yeah, kid was playing basketball and fell out of his pocket. I guess the kid has broke 4 phones this month... curve, tilt, 2 pantec duos. Told my friend to get him a $20 go-phone now lol. And use the savings to get me a tilt
I dont know what kind of damage besides the physical the drop may have caused. Phone was not on at the time so that may have helped it (I hope)

wshader said:
Yeah, and I dont know what kind of damage besides the physical the drop may have caused. Phone was not on at the time so that may have helped it (I hope)
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I hope u repair it. Wish u luck.

Without actually looking at it, its hard to say what exactly you need. But you for sure need a new flex cable. Unfortunately that is the hardest part to find. At least here in the US. I usually buy broken phones from people who don't want to pay for a repair. Then I use the parts from them. You can get a new housing easily enough if you need it but the flex cable will be your biggest hurdle.
I suggest trying to find one broken on ebay and using the 2 you have to make one working phone. Even a broken Tilt can run for $200 on ebay though.

Anyone notice that case has already been replaced at some stage as it has a camera hole (not standard for Tilts) a keyboard without the white part and no logo. Perhaps the replacement was weaker than the original one. If the O/P searches the forum here for LCD Screen replacements there's loads of links to different companies supplying parts for Kaiser variants. I have no experience using any of them though so cant suggest which ones are best.

@Planet Neo
Yeah I was thinking that but was hoping it wouldn't come to that. Would suck to spend $200 for parts just to find the motherboard is broke or something to that effect. Was hoping someone knew of a place to buy a new cable or had one to sell. Also was hoping someone with some experience could let me know if they think I'd need a new tilt assembly.
@Flying Kiwi
Lol, I used a picture from kaiser disassembly guide to show what i was referring to. It has the standard tilt case. I'll be taking pictures of what I have as soon as I have the phone in my possession.

Okay I assume that its going to be very hard to get the ribbon and you're going to need housing. I believe that it will be the same as making a new tilt, because the screen is as good as dead without the ribbon so all you could do is get new housing and a new screen and it should rack up about $150-200. Which in my opinion is much easier and faster and better than frustrating on getting a ribbon.
Just my 2 cents.
Kraize

Planetneo said:
Without actually looking at it, its hard to say what exactly you need. But you for sure need a new flex cable. Unfortunately that is the hardest part to find. At least here in the US. I usually buy broken phones from people who don't want to pay for a repair. Then I use the parts from them. You can get a new housing easily enough if you need it but the flex cable will be your biggest hurdle.
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I'm sure you'll think I'm busting your balls / stalking you but hard to find? Hell no! Expensive, maybe ( $100) but hard to find? I think not. Good job you're not charging people for you expert advice else they'd be wanting refunds....how long did you say you'd been doing this for?
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=tytn+flex&category0=
You need a TYTN II flex. There are many other suppliers and if you go direct they may be a bit cheaper. google is your friend....
To check the board - connect to a windoze computer with a mini USB cable and power up or press the soft reset button to boot it - it should ident and install then try to sync. It should boot fine even with no LCD if it's OK assuming the battery still holds some charge.
A full housing will run you about $60. Some sellers have just front panels for about $40 though I'm unsure if these have the pivot.
M.S

Mysterious Stranger said:
I'm sure you'll think I'm busting your balls / stalking you but hard to find? Hell no! Expensive, maybe ( $100) but hard to find? I think not. Good job you're not charging people for you expert advice else they'd be wanting refunds....how long did you say you'd been doing this for?
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=tytn+flex&category0=
You need a TYTN II flex. There are many other suppliers and if you go direct they may be a bit cheaper. google is your friend....
To check the board - connect to a windoze computer with a mini USB cable and power up or press the soft reset button to boot it - it should ident and install then try to sync. It should boot fine even with no LCD if it's OK assuming the battery still holds some charge.
A full housing will run you about $60. Some sellers have just front panels for about $40 though I'm unsure if these have the pivot.
M.S
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Man, MS you really need to get off my nuts. It's getting creepy. I said in my post hard to find at least in the US. And the link you gave was for a seller in China. One more word of advice for the OP, Make sure this part actually works for the AT&T Tilt variant. I had a customer buy a Flex cable for the HTC Herald thinking it would work for the T-Mobile Wing but due to the modified button layout of the Wing it did not fit correctly. Much like this person HERE experienced.

Planetneo said:
Man, MS you really need to get off my nuts. It's getting creepy. I said in my post hard to find at least in the US. And the link you gave was for a seller in China. One more word of advice for the OP, Make sure this part actually works for the AT&T Tilt variant. I had a customer buy a Flex cable for the HTC Herald thinking it would work for the T-Mobile Wing but due to the modified button layout of the Wing it did not fit correctly. Much like this person HERE experienced.
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These things are made in Shenzhen so where you think the parts come from?
Stop talking &*%(* and I'll stop correcting your posts Instead of saying something is a fact say it's your opinion. It's not a 'rare' part - and they ship WORLDWIDE. It's not as if he'll get one from a local mom and pop store - it's gonna be mail order wherever you get it from and looking at the seller's feedback is a good judge - all my parts come from China - so why pay a middleman such as yourself extra $ just so it has a US stamp on the package?
Someone needs to act as quality control on your posts and it looks like it's gonna have to be me if you keep posting [email protected]
M.S

Htc Tilt from AT&T U.S.A, I want to add front camera, pls. help where to buy it

Hello guys, I have a AT&T tilt (8925) frim U.S.A and I'm a cellphone technician and I just fixed one of this cellphone yesterday and found out that it has a connector for a front camera even a hole & place where to put it on. I want to modify it and see if it will work with a front camera ( if I put one on it) but don't know where to buy one, and one more problem is there anyway I can add this features on a flashing it from an original HTC TyTN II instead? because I know that the AT&T tilt(8925) doesn't have that on their software if I just put the camera(hardware) I know that it won't work at all because it doesn't have that features on the original SW of AT&T Tilt(8925)
1) I just want to know if someone can tell me where to buy the original front camera for HTC TyTN II(kaiser) for me to start
2) if it is possible to have this AT&T tilt(8925) flash to it's original HTC TyTN II(kaiser) version that has a features that you can choose if you want to use front camera or the back camera.
Please let me know and I will do this project and post my procedure and the outcome for all to see. If they want their AT&T Tilt(8925) to have a additional front camera. Thank you

if there is a place to buy the part it would be the cnn.cn site. Just search for replacement parts.
Yes there should be several roms that offer the video confrenceing. If you have spent any time researching this you would know this.

They don't carry it (at cnn.cn)

eganzon79 said:
Hello guys, I have a AT&T tilt (8925) frim U.S.A and I'm a cellphone technician and I just fixed one of this cellphone yesterday and found out that it has a connector for a front camera even a hole & place where to put it on. I want to modify it and see if it will work with a front camera ( if I put one on it) but don't know where to buy one, and one more problem is there anyway I can add this features on a flashing it from an original HTC TyTN II instead? because I know that the AT&T tilt(8925) doesn't have that on their software if I just put the camera(hardware) I know that it won't work at all because it doesn't have that features on the original SW of AT&T Tilt(8925)
1) I just want to know if someone can tell me where to buy the original front camera for HTC TyTN II(kaiser) for me to start
2) if it is possible to have this AT&T tilt(8925) flash to it's original HTC TyTN II(kaiser) version that has a features that you can choose if you want to use front camera or the back camera.
Please let me know and I will do this project and post my procedure and the outcome for all to see. If they want their AT&T Tilt(8925) to have a additional front camera. Thank you
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You an always try eBay for this
http://cgi.ebay.com/FRONT-CAMERA-CA...hash=item260368952540&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177
is one of it.

I think i'm going to do the camera mod, then in the process replace the housing with the HTC OEM Orange UK one. It's a really nice color.
OEM Orange Housing

XGX5309 said:
I think i'm going to do the camera mod, then in the process replace the housing with the HTC OEM Orange UK one. It's a really nice color.
OEM Orange Housing
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hi there, let me know if you success with front camera in your tilt, as i also have plan to do same
cheers
aqeel

XGX5309 said:
I think i'm going to do the camera mod, then in the process replace the housing with the HTC OEM Orange UK one. It's a really nice color.
OEM Orange Housing
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So, has anyone done this yet? I've got the front camera part in a bag in front of me, but haven't found a way to just remove the front housing. Every guide I've been able to find is for the full-on strip down, and I was hoping to avoid that.
Any info? If no one's done it yet, I'll try to get my act together enough to document the inevitable destruction of my phone, but forewarned is forearmed, as they say.

remove the front cover
Harrson said:
So, has anyone done this yet? I've got the front camera part in a bag in front of me, but haven't found a way to just remove the front housing. Every guide I've been able to find is for the full-on strip down, and I was hoping to avoid that.
Any info? If no one's done it yet, I'll try to get my act together enough to document the inevitable destruction of my phone, but forewarned is forearmed, as they say.
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I would slide the phone out and flip it over. in the back of the screen part of the phone, remove four outer most screw( 2 toward the top and two toward the bottom of the phone) with the #5 torx driver. After that the shiny front should pop out easily with a little prying. that how i would do it.. good luck

Anybody knows if the 8525 front camera fits the 8925? Thanks.

adding a front camera to tilt

Ok i know how to add a front camera to a tilt, if you take it apart and open the front cover you will see the connector for the camera just like the 8525 has, you need only the fcc camera to put in there (it isn't the same of the hermes 'cuz it has a vga cam, the tytnII has a 0.3mpx one). The worst thing is that i can't find that cam nowhere on the whole internet and i dont need to buy a tytnII with damage that surely will cost much more that the fcc only. There is a seller on Ebay that sells tytn cams, i asked if he can provide me a tytnII cam and he answered me that if i can find a cam he will buy it from me (LOL). now i am asking anyone here that has a front cam from the kaiser/tytnII or mda varioIII if want to sell it to me or if can point me to someone that can sell it. i also searched on cnn and other parts shop on the net and noone can provide it to me. i went to a device repairer and he told me that the cam will take 2/3 months to be shipped from htc and that i have to leave him my device...I know that them have no care of the item left in their deposit so i said no and took my tilt back home... please if someone know something just tell it to me...i will give a bounty...
Ken

maybe if anyone can try if the front cam of the tytn will fit on the tilt and wanted to do it i will be grateful!

Here is a link to the disassembly of a Kaiser, lots of pictures, but in russian, still looking for pictures of a Tilt to compare the two
http://www.pdacenter.ru/razborka/razbor_htc_kaiser/

more info
http://michael-channon.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!4472423472DCFC38!287.entry?&_c02_owner=1
check the PDA parts links on this site, maybe one of them has the camera
http://www.mikechannon.net/

better pictures of a Kaiser being taken apart in English
http://mikechannon.net/PDF Manuals/Replacing the LCD on a Kaiser.pdf

check fleabay just kidding try cnn.cn lots of parts cheap

ken0150 said:
i also searched on cnn and other parts shop on the net and noone can provide it to me.
Ken
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He already tried cnn.
What ive always done in the past was search for nearly destroyed ( case/screen/ect ) for cheap misc parts for my devices. I havent looked around for the kaiser yet ( as i have no need of a cam on front ) but im sure someone has tried or s trying to sell one their dog bit into/ran over / ect.
Keep looking as one will surely turn up on fleabay eventually

ok i have to say you all that i SOLD my tilt for 300€uros, in Europe this are the prices for it. now i will buy a TytnII with a front cam or a Raphael. i will keep you informed. but in meantime i have to switch back to my prophet tank you all again!!!

Congratulationz!!!

Insidertip: Where can my Diamond be repaired?

Hi,
The XDA Diamond of my little brother has some cracks between the display and the touch-surface. (see attachement)
I sent the device O2, but they (their service-partner) said "no warranty" and want ~ 300€ for the repair.
I just looked into the service-manual, because I thought about repairing it by myself.
But I think it's to difficult for me.
Now I wonder if anybody know a cheap mobile-shop, who can repair my Diamond.
I live in Cologne. My Brother (and my family) near Hannover. (both in Germany)
But Online-Shops are also good.
Thank you!

the screen is on ebay - item 230285205211. They also offer repairs
search for the dismantle guide (sorry don't have it to hand)

i also got cracks on my screen just like your brother....
I decided to order one of the replacement screen from ebay that comes with the needed tools to do it myself. i payed about 25 dollars including shipping and should receive it anytime from now.... If you r willing to wait , i ll post feedback on how hard it is to do it yourself.
About dismantling the diamond u ll find easily links from google.
Good luck!

how do the cracks actually appear in the first place?
was it the result of something the manufacturer might classify as "abuse" or "accidental damage"?
Often I pick up my phone (HTC Victor) and think that it feels quite fragile compared to something like the N95... so i treat it accordingly - ie, with a little more care..

I already looked throu the disamble guide.
@Sebienbon
It would be great, if you would post feedback and maybe photos of the repair process (step-by-step) wich are not in the disamble guide.
Meanwhile I will do one more try with the service partner.
@bobbified
It just happened. I think my brother carried the device in his trouser pocket (jeans) when he was riding by bike. But imo such a expensive phone should be strong enough.
Also theere is no damage on the outside.
@hays
Thanks. But I am not sure if this is the right part.
My LCD still works. All pixels are fine.
But the "whatever" between the LCD and touch-surface is cracked.
Thanks everybody so far

i just got the kit this morning but the screw driver is wrong( probably because of a different country , i live in denmark and the screen comes from asia... so i ll go buy a tiny screw driver that i miss and then give it a go

Hey,
I´ve got the same problem. But my Screen is more broken
Although it works.
I read the Service Manual too but im not sure if it works with this part:
http://cnn.cn/shop/touch-diamond-digitizer-p-2128.html
Because on the last Picture in the Manuel you see only the front part of the phone and nothing about the part linked above.
So I w`ont open it before I`m not sure whats exactly to do.
Also I asked some firms do make me an offer for repairing the mobile phone.
The best offer is 129,00 € or 169,00 € if the dismantling create scratches on the Display under the touch screen because they are glued.
Very expensive!
Now I´m waiting for your experiences too.

Sebienbon said:
i just got the kit this morning but the screw driver is wrong( probably because of a different country , i live in denmark and the screen comes from asia... so i ll go buy a tiny screw driver that i miss and then give it a go
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Any update?

no updates

Man i wish i know of the manual to take this apart. You can fix it yourself if you take your time man, and dont be like me man. I took it apart thinking that the black tape under the battery is just tape!!!! And rip the mini-usb power ribbon. Man my heart sank.. So on that note if any of you guys know of a site or store to order parts from. please let me know also....
@lphar56

Is the diamond display made of glass and not the plastic stuff some other screens are made of???

The display is LCD so im guessing glas.. but it has a Touch Digitizer over the top.. that can scratch very easy and is only £15 off ebay
GET INSURANCE........
IF IT BREAKS, MAKE IT DISAPPEAR CLAIM FOR A STOLEN FONE

HTC diamond screen replacement
Hey guys!
AFAIK the cracks that appear are in the glass of the touch-screen-unit.
so i try to figure out how to replace this part only.
Is it glued to the LCD?
Which glue sould be used to fix it again?
Or does it even come with the screen?
I'd like to post a guide here if it works, so please help me answering this last question!
Also, replacing only the touchscreen would lower the repair cost to a third...
Thanks!

Still no update?? on the steps to remove digitizer?

benicz said:
Hey guys!
AFAIK the cracks that appear are in the glass of the touch-screen-unit.
so i try to figure out how to replace this part only.
Is it glued to the LCD?
Which glue sould be used to fix it again?
Or does it even come with the screen?
I'd like to post a guide here if it works, so please help me answering this last question!
Also, replacing only the touchscreen would lower the repair cost to a third...
Thanks!
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Has anybody a guide or experience on changing the screen? I have the same questions as above!

Hi Folks!
I have a tiny injury on the Display like a stone-chipping, now the touch doesn´t work anymore. He think that I pushing on this point. :-(
I found the LC-Display (89€) and the touch-unit (59€) to buy. On "hot-wire-telekom. de"
Is there any guide how to change the Touchdisplay?
Greets
Kampfsau

Kampfsau said:
Hi Folks!
I have a tiny injury on the Display like a stone-chipping, now the touch doesn´t work anymore. He think that I pushing on this point. :-(
I found the LC-Display (89€) and the touch-unit (59€) to buy. On "hot-wire-telekom. de"
Is there any guide how to change the Touchdisplay?
Greets
Kampfsau
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hi kampfsau
here you will find a guide:
http://www.fuelip.com/howto/diamondlcd/diamondlcd.htm
plz use the search function next time