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vodafone Australia, which diamond ?

Hi All
hoping you can give some advice here, I'm currently with vodafone Australia and looking at buying a diamond.
Currently they are available locally as the Telstra HTC touch diamond (competing network) or via grey import models.
I understand through numerous threads that there is no quad band model as yet and that telstra uses 3g on the 850mhz band, i think but am not sure that vodafone uses 2100mhz for 3g.
I'm confused as to which handset im better off with the telstra one or a grey import.
To make it more confusing I'm going to USA and Sth America, shortly and want to make sure it roams on 3g.
HELP!!!!

no-one even has an opinion?!?
After scouring the rest of the 'net it appears that;
telstra uses 850mhz hsdpa,
vodafone and optus uses 2100mhz umts,
optus will launch 900mhz hsdpa in the near future.
I gather from this that no matter which australian carrier network i use i will not be able to use one carrier or another does someone have any further insight on this?

I think I read on Whirlpool that the Telstra handsets should work on any network - except Optus' 900mhz.
Im with Telstra (work sim), so just went with the Telstra handset.
I've got a Virgin sim I could try in it if you'd like?

that would help . . . cheers
It cant do any harm... I guess my real issue is that I want to make sure I'm getting the highest possible data speeds in whatever country I'm in and I'm not sure what difference there is between the carrier frequency's being used. I get the general impression that only telstra has 7.2mps (theoretical) speed at present, but if i go with a handset that doesnt support 900mhz and i end up with 2100mhz am i missing out on vodafone hsdpa......
im consfused

I was in the same boat when trying to figure out which Diamond to get. I jumped ship and ordered a DIAM130 (Telstra ver.).
Its my understanding that the Optus 900MHz UMTS will be for use in regional areas, whereas 2100MHz for metropolitan. A quick search of the net also indicated that 2100MHz is the dominant UMTS band throughout most of the world, with the exception of the U.S. which uses 850/1900 I believe. So I figure the DIAM130 would be the best bet if you want some sort of 3G connection whatever country you may be in.
If I'm mistaken, can someone please correct me...
EDIT: Looking back at your posts, I'm not sure if you realise this, but the DIAM100 is 900/2100 MHz UMTS and the DIAM130 is 850/2100 MHz UMTS.

Yep, I think the Helstra one with 850mhz/2100mhz looks like the best bet. It would seem that all the carriers in Oz use the 2100mhz in the cities and 850mhz or 900mhz in rural areas.
The US and Sth.America seem to use 850mhz and Europe uses 900mhz/2100mhz.
The whole reason this came up was about 2 weeks ago I went into a Helstra shop and HTC had a marquis with their own staff, they actually stated do not buy a Helstra handset wait until October 1 when the other networks will have quadband handsets. I put this down to them not knowing what they were talking about.
I cant wait any longer though and I think I'm off to JB HiFi to pickup a telstra one, whirlpool forum users have been picking them up for between $750 and $800.

I bought my Diamond from JB (telstra phone bought outright) and I use it with voda prepaid.
I can access the GSM network fine and their 3G network as well. But I force my phone to use GSM only, apparently 3G drinks more battery power.

I am on the vodaphone network ( work). I bought a diamond from a H/K supplier & have never had anytrouble using the 3g network in any of the main capital cities.
Unless you intend to use 3g A LOT in the country areas of australia, then a presumably cheaper grey import DIA 100 will do the trick.
only would suggest that you upgrade to one of the great ROMS available on this site from the generous chefs!
sorry but i think telstra are ripping off the aussie customers with the 130 model.

I have a DIAM100, it works on all networks in Australia including Telstra NextG (yes it DOES work on 850MHz HSDPA). I currently use the phone on the 3 network which use 2100MHz and get very good speeds (in excess of 3.5mbps).

Hi poedgirl,
noticed your'e using an older radio version than whats currently available.
at the risk of telling you to suck eggs, i would suggest you try the 1.00.25.08 Radio rom as the increase in signal phone strength & GPS strength was unbelievable!
thats assuming you are located in Sydney

This Post in the ROMs section pretty much covers which models you can use or will need on the various AU networks.
There are 3 3G Network Frequencies in AUS
850 MHz (NextG) - DIAM130
900 MHz Optus - DIAM100, DIAM110, DIAM200, DIAM300
2100 MHz Optus, Vodafone, Three, Telstra(use Three's) - DIAM100, DIAM110, DIAM200, DIAM300, DIAM130
ALL Diamonds have the 2100MHz frequency!
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I have a grey import DIAM100 running on Three and it has not missed a beat.

poedgirl said:
I have a DIAM100, it works on all networks in Australia including Telstra NextG (yes it DOES work on 850MHz HSDPA)..
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just out of interest how were you able to determine this?

poedgirl said:
I have a DIAM100, it works on all networks in Australia including Telstra NextG (yes it DOES work on 850MHz HSDPA). I currently use the phone on the 3 network which use 2100MHz and get very good speeds (in excess of 3.5mbps).
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sorry to disappoint, I used to think the same, but see this and this You are right - it uses HSDPA, but only on the 2100 network, outside of that network the phone will show "E" for "edge" .(which is GPRS).

Thanks timn2087, that what I thought. I suspect the Telstra branding and web interface can lead you to believe you are on the Telstra NextG network, regardless of whether you are connecting with a phone capable of 850MHz or 2100MHz. My DIAM100 (Same hardware) on 3 behaves exactly as you describe when it roams onto Telstra GSM displaying "E" for "edge".

i bought the helstra one
well i just went for it, and bought the diam130. ive gone the hardspl, radio 05, swift rom. all seems to working.
got if for $760 outright at jb hifi pitt st mall sydney store. no stress haggle said to the guy whats the best price he said $800 i said how about $760 he goes "done".
thanks for all your help everyone

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Thanks timn2087, that what I thought. I suspect the Telstra branding and web interface can lead you to believe you are on the Telstra NextG network, regardless of whether you are connecting with a phone capable of 850MHz or 2100MHz. My DIAM100 (Same hardware) on 3 behaves exactly as you describe when it roams onto Telstra GSM displaying "E" for "edge".
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correct. The DIAM130 on Next G will show a 3G icon whenever it is on 850 Mhz, occasionally this icon changes to "H" HSDPA when a data connection is active.

timn2087 said:
sorry to disappoint, I used to think the same, but see this and this You are right - it uses HSDPA, but only on the 2100 network, outside of that network the phone will show "E" for "edge" .(which is GPRS).
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Well, for one, the phone gets a HSDPA signal in Mandurah - where there is no 3 coverage (only ever get Telstra roaming there if you're with 3). Also, as others have said, if you are on 3's network, the network shows up as "3Telstra", which it does not on mine.

Any news on tri-band UMTS Diamond?

I am dreaming of getting the one which supports UMTS 850/1900/2100 bands.
Any news?

Nobody know it? So sad...

There is no such thing as a tri-band UMTS Diamond, all are just dual band. 850/1900 for the US Version, 850/2100 for the Australia version, and 900/2100 for the European version.

I thought I read somewhere that there is an Australian version of the Touch Diamond 120 (100 for Europe/Asia, 110 for NAM) that supports dual-band UMTS 850/2100, which should let 3G work on any continent. If someone actually has this model or can confirm, that would be great.
EDIT: Whoops, guess the guy above me posted a little faster Anyone know if an online retailer has the AUS model on sale?

Well it wouldn't work in any place that requires 900, it also wouldn't work on AT&T in certain 1900-only 3G zones. I don't know what market uses what frequency for AT&T, so I really couldn't tell you if your area will work with the 850/2100 Diamond or not.
Edit: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/HTC-Touch-Di...yZ161651QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Go to ebay.com.au and search... 650 AUD = 544 USD, for perspective
I'm assuming that's the Australian version... But PM every seller before buying to confirm

in my diam100 with italian official rom I have this:
is it normal?

Yessuh, all Diamonds have it, but it doesn't work. It doesn't reflect the hardware in the device at all, standard to all devices.

Differences between HTC TouchDiamond models

Hi there,
This is my first post in the forum so I guess that I've searched enough to find out that there's no answer to my question,...still!
I'm trying to figuring out which model is more suitable for my local network providers.
I'm in argentina and still I can't find out which type of network do we have, GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS900, UMTS2100, CSD, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HSDPA (wich would be good to know)
As of today I realize that basicaly there are two models:
HTC TD100
HTC TD110 US VERSION
And that the only difference that I've found is that USA version runs NETWORK on GSM850, but all the other features are the same in both models, at least according to the information stated on pdacomparer
Right now I'm using with a local company and with 3G service, an HTC TD110, at least that's what I think it is, because I've bought it in the USA and for my surprise this unit does not have video calling camera
So I'm looking forward to change the phone with an HTC TD100 but I'm not sure if it will work the same way that the HTC TD110 is doing it.
Any help about know Argentina specification network or about each model would be greatly apreciated.
Gus66

We have certain radio upgrades that may make your Diamond a quad band and so hopefully it should work anywhere in the world.
Regards,
Carty..

video camera???????
my diamond has front and rear cameras...
are you telling me your diamond does not ????

the unlocked US 3G diamond does not have a front camera.

rpassmore said:
the unlocked US 3G diamond does not have a front camera.
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really.....god....not good

Carty,
Thanks for your reply,
So according to what you've said networks shouldn't be a problem? That's great news.
And I can get any HTC Touch Diamond with the only consideration that includes the videocalling camera, that it'll work anywhere?
Where can I get the radio upgrades?
Thanks again.
Gus6606

Hi again,
I just finished doing some extra research on local 3G network and we have the same networks than in USA (GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900 and UMTS850, UMTS1900)
Therefore I won't be able to have video calling (as our lucky friend liamhere) on any HTC TD at least here in Argentina due to:
HTCTD110 only rear camera: GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS850, UMTS1900
HTCTD100 with second camera: GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS900, UMTS2100
What I still wonder is whether this restriction is due to network capabilities or some other reason?
I'm saying this because UMTS 850/1900 are both 3G broadband networks and there are some other PDAs (Nokia N95-3) doing video calling locally. So I don't see any technical reason for not having this video calling feature available.
Any idea if HTCTD100 could be adapted for working locally?
I think that I've read about that this is something of the chipset, is that correct?
Thanks again.
Gus6606

I wonder if it's not marketing. I had the att 8525 (hermes) before this, and it didn't have a front camera either.

convert 3g from us to european

Hi,
I bought my HTC diamond in the US, but live in europe.
Obviously, I can't connect to the 3g network here.
Is there anything I could do? If I install European ROM will it work?
if so - which ROM should I install?
My current ROM - 1.93.422.4 WWE, 08/13/08
Thanks for your help,
Mike

It is not about the ROM but the hardware of the Diamond. There are different hardware revisions. Go to bootloader and check what you have.
It is something like DIAM100

Diam110, 64m, spl-1.93.0000
anything i can do?
thanks man!

giladmichael said:
anything i can do?
thanks man!
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Most european diamonds are diam100 i think, you need to check what bands you diamond supports then check the bands the network/s you wanna use, use for there 3G/HSDPA Services, see if any are compatible

how do i check which bands my diamond supports?

I just had a look on google for you mate and this is what i came up with
The US 3G unlocked Diamond supports AT&T's 850/1900MHz HSDPA network, but not T-Mobile's US 3G bands. It is dual band 3G, so there's also no support for Euro 3G. It's a quad band GSM world phone with EDGE (850/900/1800/1900MHz), and that means you can make a phone call anywhere in the world GSM service is available, and you'll have access to the slower GPRS and EDGE data networks across the world. Since it's unlocked, you can use it with any carrier's SIM.
So it looks like it duznt support Euro 3G Bands, Sorry

thats a shame..
thanks anyway

thats a shame..
thanks anyway

I cant get 3G/HSDPA with orange here anyway, it dont bother me, i just steal broadband from unsecure wifi routers lol

*Double Post* Thats wot u get for stealing broadband lol

I'm in an opposites position here...
Live in the US with a European DIAM100...lol

Hello I have a European and like to trade it for a US version.
Also I'm sure like in in almost any Phones the UMTS Antenna is the same it is only limited by the Software (Radio) Big guys even on XDA developers denid that on the new Google Nexus one but HTC/Google confirmed it is ONly the "RADIO". GUess there is the whole world with one Standard and USA/ Canada with least than 6 different standards not compatibel to the rest of the World. THe Hardware guys pruduce for this development Country USA 7 extra and incompatibel HArdware version. It is haard to beleive and from any manufacture standpoint totaly inefficent.
So i would try first the regular Radios and good luck.

HD2, TMoUSA HD2, T8585, T9193...what's the PHYSICAL difference?

I just bought a T9193 version of the phone from an eBay seller in Australia and while I wait for it to arrive here in Delaware, I want to order some accessories that I know I need. (extra battery, desktop cradle, car cradle, etc.)
Now, when I'm browsing the 1,000's of ads on eBay, some of them specify that their product (cradle for example), only works with a particular model, and NOT the TMoUS version. That being said, there would have to be a PHYSICAL difference between all of the device models. Can anyone shed some light on this for me?

SportbikeRiderXX said:
I just bought a T9193 version of the phone from an eBay seller in Australia and while I wait for it to arrive here in Delaware, I want to order some accessories that I know I need. (extra battery, desktop cradle, car cradle, etc.)
Now, when I'm browsing the 1,000's of ads on eBay, some of them specify that their product (cradle for example), only works with a particular model, and NOT the TMoUS version. That being said, there would have to be a PHYSICAL difference between all of the device models. Can anyone shed some light on this for me?
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The t9193 is the Austrailian version and uses 850/2100 mhz band. Afaik from a quick google AT&T use 850/1900 mhz so the 3g will work fine in most places but not all, see here for coverage:
http://cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml
As for desktop cradle and car cradle the they both have micro usb ports and require the same voltage so will both work with the same cradles.

dowlinr said:
The t9193 is the Austrailian version and uses 850/2100 mhz band. Afaik from a quick google AT&T use 850/1900 mhz so the 3g will work fine in most places but not all, see here for coverage:
http://cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml
As for desktop cradle and car cradle the they both have micro usb ports and require the same voltage so will both work with the same cradles.
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The T9193 uses 850MHz for HSPA..., so I'll be able to access AT&T's 3G data, but thank you for your concern.
I'm asking about the PHYSICAL size/shape of the device. Some items offered for the HD2 on eBay (an Otterbox for example) specify that it will only work with the International version of the phone, and NOT the US (T-Mobile USA) version of the device. There must be SOME difference to warrant that...

SportbikeRiderXX said:
The T9193 uses 850MHz for HSPA..., so I'll be able to access AT&T's 3G data, but thank you for your concern.
I'm asking about the PHYSICAL size/shape of the device. Some items offered for the HD2 on eBay (an Otterbox for example) specify that it will only work with the International version of the phone, and NOT the US (T-Mobile USA) version of the device. There must be SOME difference to warrant that...
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The TmoUSA HD2 is T-mobile branded. because its branded it's 1.5mm(i think that's the right number but you can check comparison charts online) taller than any other version of the phone. That's way they're clarified as either US or International. Either way the TmoUSA is taller and therefore the two types can't use the same cases because it wont wit 'perfectly' like for example:Otterbox's

googlesax said:
The TmoUSA HD2 is T-mobile branded. because its branded it's 1.5mm(i think that's the right number but you can check comparison charts online) taller than any other version of the phone. That's way they're clarified as either US or International. Either way the TmoUSA is taller and therefore the two types can't use the same cases because it wont wit 'perfectly' like for example:Otterbox's
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Thanks, googlesax. That's the type of answer I was looking for.

The 9193 and 8585 are same size, the T-Mo US version is the only one that is sized differently, and it's 1.5mm taller, like the poster above said. Anything that works with euro hd2 (t8585) will work with yours. Have fun with your new hd2, it's a great device.

More than one version of T9193?
I'm shopping for a T9193 to use on AT&T's 3G network in Arizona. I came across several websites that list both a 'T9193 T-Mobile' version and a 'T9193 Unlocked' version. I assume one is branded for T-Mobile, while the other is not, however I thought the T-Mobile version is the T8585. Are there two T-Mobile versions? If so, do they both receive the 850 MHz 3G band, or just the Telstra version? Aside from 3G bands, are there any other hardware differences (amount of RAM for instance) between the models, or just the fact that they are branded/locked?
By the way, I have spoken with several AT&T reps and they will be getting rid of the Edge & GPRS data services in the next frew months (which are on the 1900 MHz frequency) and moving to 850 MHz nationwide by the end of 2011, so if you want the HD2, you're only bet is the T9393. If you buy a T-Mo US HD2 and want to use it on AT&T it will be useless in a matter of months.

azwildcat98 said:
I'm shopping for a T9193 to use on AT&T's 3G network in Arizona. I came across several websites that list both a 'T9193 T-Mobile' version and a 'T9193 Unlocked' version. I assume one is branded for T-Mobile, while the other is not, however I thought the T-Mobile version is the T8585. Are there two T-Mobile versions? If so, do they both receive the 850 MHz 3G band, or just the Telstra version? Aside from 3G bands, are there any other hardware differences (amount of RAM for instance) between the models, or just the fact that they are branded/locked?
By the way, I have spoken with several AT&T reps and they will be getting rid of the Edge & GPRS data services in the next frew months (which are on the 1900 MHz frequency) and moving to 850 MHz nationwide by the end of 2011, so if you want the HD2, you're only bet is the T9393. If you buy a T-Mo US HD2 and want to use it on AT&T it will be useless in a matter of months.
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There's only one hd2 with the 850 3g band, and that's the t9193 telstra branded phone. The T-Mobile phone is not a t9193 and does not have 850 band.
Gprs and edge work on the same frequency as their voice service... even if they drop the 1900 MHz frequency, they will still have edge and gprs. It doesn't make sense that they could get rid of it altogether... that would ruin a ton of their old phones people are still using on their service. They wouldn't do that.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

Thanks for the info .... that's what I thought too, that there was only the T9193 for Telstra, and then T8585 for T-Mobile.
Making things even more confusing, apparently both the T8585 & T9193 have the same amount of RAM on-board, but the T-Mobile one has more RAM available, while the T9193 has a portion of it locked. Is there anyway to unlock the RAM to bring it in par with T-Mobile? I'd hate to spend so much on a phone and have it crippled like that.

azwildcat98 said:
Thanks for the info .... that's what I thought too, that there was only the T9193 for Telstra, and then T8585 for T-Mobile.
Making things even more confusing, apparently both the T8585 & T9193 have the same amount of RAM on-board, but the T-Mobile one has more RAM available, while the T9193 has a portion of it locked. Is there anyway to unlock the RAM to bring it in par with T-Mobile? I'd hate to spend so much on a phone and have it crippled like that.
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The T-Mobile US is not a t8585... the t8585 is the European model and has same size and specs as t9193. The T-Mobile US is a third model that came out months later than the other 2 models. It is slightly taller and had 1gb of ROM (internal NAND memory) while the 8585 & 9193 have 512mb ROM. The RAM size is actually the same on all the models, but on the 8585&9193 you must unlock part of it by flashing a more recent radio. So basically, all the models are the same except that the T-Mobile USA HD2 has double the ROM size, which is nice, but isn't that big of a deal.
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azwildcat98 said:
Thanks for the info .... that's what I thought too, that there was only the T9193 for Telstra, and then T8585 for T-Mobile.
Making things even more confusing, apparently both the T8585 & T9193 have the same amount of RAM on-board, but the T-Mobile one has more RAM available, while the T9193 has a portion of it locked. Is there anyway to unlock the RAM to bring it in par with T-Mobile? I'd hate to spend so much on a phone and have it crippled like that.
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Hey just so you know, AZ does not have 850mhz for AT&T 3G. I have a T9193, and it only obtains Edge connectivity, even with the proper radio. I have contacted AT&T in regards to this, and they stated they do not own the 850mhz band for AZ and have no plans to use it in the future. Just figured I'd tell you so you don't waste money expecting 3G.
Here is a decent map of their network:
http://www.cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml

azalex86 said:
Hey just so you know, AZ does not have 850mhz for AT&T 3G. I have a T9193, and it only obtains Edge connectivity, even with the proper radio. I have contacted AT&T in regards to this, and they stated they do not own the 850mhz band for AZ and have no plans to use it in the future. Just figured I'd tell you so you don't waste money expecting 3G.
Here is a decent map of their network:
http://www.cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml
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I'm in Delaware and I'm getting really good 3G coverage. My only regret is not getting this phone sooner.

Doesn't the T-Mobile version have the HSDPA 1700/2100MHz band and the initial HTC HD2 has HSDPA 900/2100Mhz band? Because the trouble i am getting in New Zealand is that i get poor reception indoors with the T-mobile variant which i got from the states which is what i suspect to be the missing 900mhz band which is supposed to be able to penetrate better through walls hence giving better indoor reception.