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Diamond & ATT

I couldn't help myself. This phone seems perfect so i ordered a diamond that will arrive tommorow. Now my question is if anyone thinks the bands for US are present and need to be unlocked or if this will end up on ebay . Thanks!

There's several topics about it there.
You won't get any 3G in the US with it, and you'll only be able to use the 1900 band for voice/GPRS/EDGE.

Actually you are incorrect. 1900 Mhz is supported w/3G w/AT&T in certain areas. Unfortunately my Diamond is not even getting an EDGE connection. From what I am hearing the Diamond is only supporting 2100Mhz frequency w/3G according to HTC. Which to me makes no sense.. I am blogging my experience with it as it is the first production unit in the USA.

You just said i was incorrect and correct in the same paragraph lol
This is where all the confusion starts.. For GSM/GPRS/EDGE it does 900/1800/1900 MHz - only 1900 would work in the US. For UMTS (3G) it only does 900/2100 - neither of these frequencies are used in the US.
The protocols and modulation used are completly different for GSM/GPRS/EDGE vs UMTS. The dispersal of uplink and downlink frequencies is completly different. Just because it can do 1900 for GSM doesnt mean it should do 1900 UMTS.
mobilitytoday said:
Actually you are incorrect. 1900 Mhz is supported w/3G w/AT&T in certain areas. Unfortunately my Diamond is not even getting an EDGE connection. From what I am hearing the Diamond is only supporting 2100Mhz frequency w/3G according to HTC. Which to me makes no sense.. I am blogging my experience with it as it is the first production unit in the USA.
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So why wouldnt I get Edge? I have had triband phones before i.e HTC 8525 that worked ?

mobilitytoday said:
So why wouldnt I get Edge? I have had triband phones before i.e HTC 8525 that worked ?
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You should get edge. Edge is an extention of GPRS but requires a different BTS (radio tower) setup. Its possible you don't have a strong enough signal, but it sounds like your confident you should have edge in that area.
The only thing i can suggest it to try in a different area - like the centre of town. Also, confirm your APN is setup corectly, the [G] may just be telling you GPRS is available, but not that you can attach.

I know with my elfin it takes a little stronger signal to initiate the Edge icon the first time (ie. after a hard reset). I can't get an edge signal inside my office but once I walk outside for a minute or two, bam I have it. Then when I go inside I still have it.

mobilitytoday said:
Actually you are incorrect. 1900 Mhz is supported w/3G w/AT&T in certain areas. Unfortunately my Diamond is not even getting an EDGE connection. From what I am hearing the Diamond is only supporting 2100Mhz frequency w/3G according to HTC. Which to me makes no sense.. I am blogging my experience with it as it is the first production unit in the USA.
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Diamond had UMTS(2100)+GSM(900+1800),UMTS(850+1900)+GSM(850+1900),UMTS(800+2100),UMTS(850+2100)+GSM(900+1800),UMTS(850)+GSM(900+1800) and UMTS(1700) depend what rom you had in your Diamond and where you bought your Diamond , At&T should be show 3G in US and T-mobile used 3G (1700 Mhz) in New York area

The platform in the phone can support all those bands, so you might be able to see them (like in the test rom) but the antennas are not there. So you won't actually be able to pick up a signal.
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Diamond had UMTS(2100)+GSM(900+1800),UMTS(850+1900)+GSM(850+1900),UMTS(800+2100),UMTS(850+2100)+GSM(900+1800),UMTS(850)+GSM(900+1800) and UMTS(1700) depend what rom you had in your Diamond and where you bought your Diamond , At&T should be show 3G in US and T-mobile used 3G (1700 Mhz) in New York area
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I guess all of us US early adopters must hope the hardware is there and can be enabled with a future flash.

T-mobile in the US uses 1900mhz for GSM/Edge and only has 3g in NYC, so I'm figuring that it's a cool stop-gap device until something is available for T-mobile 3G.

so anyone have the rom that had thoose bands....

confused
so im a little confused.... If I buy a diamond on ebay, it wont work in the US? or 3g just wont work? does the diamond accept a sim card?

On AT&T it will give you only GPRS! On Tmobile (NEW) it shows EDGE!! I dont understand this at all!

Praygo said:
so im a little confused.... If I buy a diamond on ebay, it wont work in the US? or 3g just wont work? does the diamond accept a sim card?
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Voice and EDGE will work just fine as long as you are in a major area that uses 1900 band. You might have weak or no signal when you are in smaller rural areas since those usually extend into the 850 band.
You will not be able to use 3G since the Diamond only supports 900/2100, neither of which are used by AT&T

It looks like if you have ATT you are hosed for both voice and data, as most of ATT voice and data (Edge) is 850mhz. Most if not all of T-mobile voice-data-Edge is 1900mhz so you will have at least Edge. If you're looking for 3g data you're SOL until the US version of the diamond is released.

this fn blows htc has really screwed us here in usa...i was willing to spend 800 for this device and htc doesnt even see this? by the time it comes out here in quadband ...the x1 will be out and not mention the 3g iphone...oh well

martyotaku said:
this fn blows htc has really screwed us here in usa...i was willing to spend 800 for this device and htc doesnt even see this? by the time it comes out here in quadband ...the x1 will be out and not mention the 3g iphone...oh well
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We will get the diamond, have to wait for the US version that does the different bands.... wich leads me to my next question. What carrier do you think will get the diamond??? AT&T seems to get all the cool stuff.

martyotaku said:
this fn blows htc has really screwed us here in usa...i was willing to spend 800 for this device and htc doesnt even see this? by the time it comes out here in quadband ...the x1 will be out and not mention the 3g iphone...oh well
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I don't think HTC cares about America too much any more because it's iPhone territory. As they haven't used their own branding until recently, I think HTC are looking to gain market control and loyalty, and that's easiest where the iPhone hasn't been a huge success.
Praygo said:
We will get the diamond, have to wait for the US version that does the different bands.... wich leads me to my next question. What carrier do you think will get the diamond??? AT&T seems to get all the cool stuff.
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Again, HTC seem to like doing exactly what Apple are not doing, so they may go for multiple carriers. As far as I'm aware the Touch Diamond, and its branded versions, are launching on every network in the UK. That's the complete opposite of Apple's 'one network per country' policy, and they consequently seem to have dropped it (for example, in Italy).

AGREED 100%!! I have been saying this on my podcast for quite a while.. It is a huge mistake. I am now saying since I just received my Diamond that I took one for the team.. I will post my review as the days go by...
SIGHHHH
Dark Fire said:
I don't think HTC cares about America too much any more because it's iPhone territory. As they haven't used their own branding until recently, I think HTC are looking to gain market control and loyalty, and that's easiest where the iPhone hasn't been a huge success.
Again, HTC seem to like doing exactly what Apple are not doing, so they may go for multiple carriers. As far as I'm aware the Touch Diamond, and its branded versions, are launching on every network in the UK. That's the complete opposite of Apple's 'one network per country' policy, and they consequently seem to have dropped it (for example, in Italy).
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different nexus one

Hello,
I am looking to buy a used nexus one... I have found some deals on line
BUT my only concern is: how can I differentiate between the two different versions of the phone? My carrier is FIDO and I have a data plan with them, so I want the phone that allows 3G speeds with FIDO.
I want to know how to differentiate between the two because many sellers online dont know the difference themselves since they dont have a data plan. I would rather avoid going through the trouble of meeting the person and testing my SIM in the phone. If there was anyway I could tell them to read something off the phone that tells the phone apart.?
As of March 16, 2010, there are two versions of the Nexus One. Both versions of the Nexus One cover most major GSM and 3G providers in the US, Europe and Asia. On both phones, the GSM radio frequencies covered are 850 MHz, 900 MHz, 1800 MHz, and 1900 MHz. The original Nexus One also came along with UMTS frequency bands 1 (2100 MHz), 4 (1700 MHz), and 8 (900 MHz).[39], allowing it to access 3G throughout Europe, as well as on T-Mobile USA and WIND Mobile in Canada. The second version of the Nexus One supports UMTS frequency bands 1 (2100 MHz), 2 (1900 MHz), and 5 (850 MHz), allowing it to access 3G in most of Europe, as well as on AT&T Mobility in the USA and Rogers Wireless, Fido Solutions, Bell Mobility, and TELUS Mobility in Canada.
Thanks any help is appreciated.

For FIDO you' need At&t version of the phone.
Behind the battery:
FCC ID NM88PB99110 for Belus/Frogideros/AT&T version
FCC ID NM88PB99100 for AWS version
Courtesy of HowardForums.com

Mr ILIA said:
For FIDO you' need At&t version of the phone.
Behind the battery:
FCC ID NM88PB99110 for Belus/Frogideros/AT&T version
FCC ID NM88PB99100 for AWS version
Courtesy of HowardForums.com
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Hey thanks man. Thats exactly the kind of thing I was looking for.

aziz831 said:
Hello,
I am looking to buy a used nexus one... I have found some deals on line
BUT my only concern is: how can I differentiate between the two different versions of the phone? My carrier is FIDO and I have a data plan with them, so I want the phone that allows 3G speeds with FIDO.
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No, you dont.
You want the one that is only 2G with robbers.
The reason for this is that you will ultimately want to drop the ripoff and go with better phone service. No sense limiting yourself.
3G with robbers won't help you with anything except causing data overages. This will cost you horribly. 2G is a nice way to reduce/prevent data overages, and with robbers' data rates, this is pretty much MANDATORY.

lbcoder said:
No, you dont.
You want the one that is only 2G with robbers.
The reason for this is that you will ultimately want to drop the ripoff and go with better phone service. No sense limiting yourself.
3G with robbers won't help you with anything except causing data overages. This will cost you horribly. 2G is a nice way to reduce/prevent data overages, and with robbers' data rates, this is pretty much MANDATORY.
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Hey stupid, did you happen to read the original post saying he has a data plan and wants to use 3G?
OP: Don't listen to lbcoder, you clearly stated you wanted to keep your 3G data so the AT&T one pointed out by Mr ILIA is the right phone.

Yeah, he's clearly angry with the cell phones thugs in Canada. And I don't blame him, but I currently can't get a cheaper deal with Wind than what Fido/Rogers gives me. (For my usage.)
Here's hoping Wind is really a great success though, then it won't take people 5 hours on the phone to get a good deal anymore.
But if you do want an unlimited everything plan, and live in the few cities that Wind is in, and don't plan to travel to other cities in Canada often. Then seriously consider them when your time is up.

Taknarosh said:
Hey stupid, did you happen to read the original post saying he has a data plan and wants to use 3G?
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LOL!!! That's a style!

Tmo Tab over At&t tab?

Hey everyone,
Just wondering if there any big difference between between the Tmobile and AT&T samsung tab?
Does one have better features or better pre-loaded apps? Are both easily rootable? If so, which is better?

The only internal hardware difference is that the T-Mobile tab supports the T-Mobile 3G bands whereas the ATT tab supports ATT bands. Also, the ATT tab will be better if you were to travel a lot in Europe as it can support European 3G frequencies.
There are also some changes in design on the back of the tab (mostly in regards to color). As for preinstalled apps, I an unsure as I do not own a T-Mobile tab.

synplex said:
Hey everyone,
Just wondering if there any big difference between between the Tmobile and AT&T samsung tab?
Does one have better features or better pre-loaded apps? Are both easily rootable? If so, which is better?
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The T-Mobile one will work with T-Mobiles faster 3G HSPA+ network. Not at 4G though, just faster than 3G. However, this it not available everywhere.
In the EU, the T-Mobile version will only support Edge, whereas the AT&T version will support 3G.

The most important piece is AT&T version could be used as a phone w Euro firmware and an existing AT&T SIM card. Sounded like you're not an AT&T user but it's doable.
For Tmob tab, you could also set it up as a phone but you will need a data plan then setup GV+IPKall+SIPDroid if you don't want to pay for Skype.

caveman999 said:
The only internal hardware difference is that the T-Mobile tab supports the T-Mobile 3G bands whereas the ATT tab supports ATT bands. Also, the ATT tab will be better if you were to travel a lot in Europe as it can support European 3G frequencies.
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The TMo Tab supports European 3G frequencies too.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
The TMo Tab supports European 3G frequencies too.
Regards,
Dave
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It can?
I know it wont wont in the UK, as their 3G frequency is 2100 and i believe the T-Mobile tab uses a different frequency for uploads vs downloads (1700 and 2100).

dh010447 said:
It can?
I know it wont wont in the UK, as their 3G frequency is 2100 and i believe the T-Mobile tab uses a different frequency for uploads vs downloads (1700 and 2100).
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It will work in the UK.
Read the specs. Follow the link, and click on specs.
The TMo US Tab supports:
850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (AWS);UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100)
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The UK, and the pretty much the world outside of North America, uses UMTS Band I.
Regards,
Dave
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
It will work in the UK.
Read the specs. Follow the link, and click on specs.
The TMo US Tab supports:
The UK, and the pretty much the world outside of North America, uses UMTS Band I.
Regards,
Dave
Regards,
Dave
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I got the specs from Samsung's website, they are posted as:
GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900; UMTS : Band IV(1700), I(2100) & Wi-Fi
I read the UMTS bands as the AWS 1700/2100, (1700Mhz u/l; 2100Mhz d/l) not AWS(1700/2100) and UMTS 2100 (so only able to download on the 2100, not upload on this frequency).
It does seem a little unclear, but if it really does support 2100Mhz upload and download, that would be awesome!! Would also mean you could unlock it and put a 3G AT&T Sim in it...
Anyone know this for sure?

dh010447 said:
if it really does support 2100Mhz upload and download, that would be awesome!! Would also mean you could unlock it and put a 3G AT&T Sim in it...
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Doesn't Att 3g run off of 850/1900Mhz, not 2100?

ap3604 said:
Doesn't Att 3g run off of 850/1900Mhz, not 2100?
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Yeah - your right, 1900 not 2100. Getting a bit carried away....

dh010447 said:
I read the UMTS bands as the AWS 1700/2100, (1700Mhz u/l; 2100Mhz d/l) not AWS(1700/2100) and UMTS 2100 (so only able to download on the 2100, not upload on this frequency).
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Trust me, it's fine.
Band IV is AWS and completely separate from Band I. Even the Samsung website explicitly mentions the bands it supports. European 3G uses Band I so it will work.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
Trust me, it's fine.
Band IV is AWS and completely separate from Band I. Even the Samsung website explicitly mentions the bands it supports. European 3G uses Band I so it will work.
Regards,
Dave
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That is awesome.. The only thing, other than cost, holding me back was that it might not work in the UK.
Now I just have to convince myself that i will get $350 + monthly data use out of it. Price, though expensive, is not really an issue but if I bought it and didn't use it, i would get into trouble from the missus.... :s

Flash T-Mobile Tab to support AT&T Voice
FYI - I followed Rotohammer's directions and i flashed a T-Mobile Tab, then unlocked it, and after I inserted my AT&T sim, I had phone and Edge:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=886714
However, I'm trying to figure out if I can load a new modem and get AT&T 3G on this tab (bought from T-Mobile)? I tried the bell modem but it didn't work. Am I safe to assume that the T-Mobile hardware will support AT&T 3G and I only need to find the right software?
Thanks - these forums are great... Sorry if this is the wrong spot.

caryawilson said:
FYI - I followed Rotohammer's directions and i flashed a T-Mobile Tab, then unlocked it, and after I inserted my AT&T sim, I had phone and Edge:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=886714
However, I'm trying to figure out if I can load a new modem and get AT&T 3G on this tab (bought from T-Mobile)? I tried the bell modem but it didn't work. Am I safe to assume that the T-Mobile hardware will support AT&T 3G and I only need to find the right software?
Thanks - these forums are great... Sorry if this is the wrong spot.
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Don't waste your time and or brick your Tab. Tmo Tab will never get 3G on an ATT sim card because it doesn't do 3G on 850/1900mhz band. Hardware doesn't support ATT's 3G bands.

dh010447 said:
That is awesome.. The only thing, other than cost, holding me back was that it might not work in the UK.
Now I just have to convince myself that i will get $350 + monthly data use out of it. Price, though expensive, is not really an issue but if I bought it and didn't use it, i would get into trouble from the missus.... :s
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I understand the feeling. I initially went with the Tmobile version but at a data rate coming up to almost $70 after taxes ($59.99 unlimited data for not having my phone with Tmobile), I took it back, paid the $10 restocking fee and went with the at&t version. After roto's rom to enable phone i just plop in my existing unlimited (grandfathered) at&t sim and i'm golden.
Either way I did the analysis....and i believe it was after like 8 months the AT&T version comes out cheaper and if i recall that was WITH the 2GB data plan included.
Excel is your friend!

trinikartel said:
I initially went with the Tmobile version but at a data rate coming up to almost $70 after taxes ($59.99 unlimited data for not having my phone with Tmobile), I took it back, paid the $10 restocking fee and went with the at&t version.
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Huh? $59.99 per month?
I thought it was just $39.99/mo for 5GB of data on T-mo even if the tablet was your only device...

trinikartel said:
I understand the feeling. I initially went with the Tmobile version but at a data rate coming up to almost $70 after taxes ($59.99 unlimited data for not having my phone with Tmobile), I took it back, paid the $10 restocking fee and went with the at&t version. After roto's rom to enable phone i just plop in my existing unlimited (grandfathered) at&t sim and i'm golden.
Either way I did the analysis....and i believe it was after like 8 months the AT&T version comes out cheaper and if i recall that was WITH the 2GB data plan included.
Excel is your friend!
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Tmo does not have a $59.99 data-only plan. It's $39.99 for 5GB, after which you're throttled past the 5GB allotment. No overages.
But i prefer AT&T's $24.99 2GB plan (don't need calling, already have a phone). The price is just right. Still looking to trade my Tmo Tab for an ATT one...

Yup caught me off guard. The the tmo salesman explained it to me instore. If or when I take my phone with tmo I will get a $10 discount on the data plan. Fishy but whatever, I was never a t-mobile customer so I just went along with it but yes normally its 39.99

Bumping this as I was going to get a WiFi only TAB but with its inferior hardware I'm looking at a 3G TAB.
On Amazon the Tmobile version is a lot cheaper at $475 than the AT&T version at $550, not sure why?
Anyway I'll be using it in Europe so it seems the Tmobile version would do the trick with its 2100Mhz frequency?

webvan said:
Bumping this as I was going to get a WiFi only TAB but with its inferior hardware I'm looking at a 3G TAB.
On Amazon the Tmobile version is a lot cheaper at $475 than the AT&T version at $550, not sure why?
Anyway I'll be using it in Europe so it seems the Tmobile version would do the trick with its 2100Mhz frequency?
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The AT&T version has always been more expensive...just the way it's been priced I guess. If your only or mainly going to be using it in Europe you will be fine with the T-Mobile version as it will run 3G on 900/2100 over there
If you're keen on digging around with different roms and are comfortable flashing around then go for it. But if you're looking for a smooth out of the box experience off the bat (with calling etc enable) I'd wait and pick up one over there....just my 2 cents

AT&T HD7S: no int'l 3G frequencies and screen not really any better than HD7

All the info I've seen so far indicates that the AT&T HD7S is *ONLY* 850/1900. No world-standard 900 or 2100, and therefore no 3G outside the US (and perhaps a couple of other locales). This includes a trip to the AT&T store to see it in person today and ask the people in there about int'l roaming.
The T-Mo HD7 on the other hand definitely has at least 2100 (in addition to AWS).
I find this pretty disappointing. Is this normal for AT&T? WTF are they thinking?
I'll also say that I found the screen only very marginally better than the original HD7 -- if at all. The thing I was looking at was the tendency towards artifacting during scrolling, with the dark theme. On the T-Mo HD7 this was visible enough that I permanently switched to the light theme to get rid of it.
I found the SLCD screen to have a similar artifact.
If AT&T's HD7S really doesn't support any int'l 3G, then I'd say it's going to be a pretty poor choice for some folks. The addition of an SLCD screen is not even close to enough to recommend it over the original T-Mo HD7.

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All the info I've seen so far indicates that the AT&T HD7S is *ONLY* 850/1900. No world-standard 900 or 2100, and therefore no 3G outside the US (and perhaps a couple of other locales). This includes a trip to the AT&T store to see it in person today and ask the people in there about int'l roaming.
The T-Mo HD7 on the other hand definitely has at least 2100 (in addition to AWS).
I find this pretty disappointing. Is this normal for AT&T? WTF are they thinking?
I'll also say that I found the screen only very marginally better than the original HD7 -- if at all. The thing I was looking at was the tendency towards artifacting during scrolling, with the dark theme. On the T-Mo HD7 this was visible enough that I permanently switched to the light theme to get rid of it.
I found the SLCD screen to have a similar artifact.
If AT&T's HD7S really doesn't support any int'l 3G, then I'd say it's going to be a pretty poor choice for some folks. The addition of an SLCD screen is not even close to enough to recommend it over the original T-Mo HD7.
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tbh im really not surpised. i dont like at&t really, and when they merge with tmobile im moving to verizon.

HD7S is quad band. I do not know where you got your info from.
If you go to ATT website to look all HD7S details you will find it does support 900/2100.
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All the info I've seen so far indicates that the AT&T HD7S is *ONLY* 850/1900. No world-standard 900 or 2100, and therefore no 3G outside the US (and perhaps a couple of other locales). This includes a trip to the AT&T store to see it in person today and ask the people in there about int'l roaming.
The T-Mo HD7 on the other hand definitely has at least 2100 (in addition to AWS).
I find this pretty disappointing. Is this normal for AT&T? WTF are they thinking?
I'll also say that I found the screen only very marginally better than the original HD7 -- if at all. The thing I was looking at was the tendency towards artifacting during scrolling, with the dark theme. On the T-Mo HD7 this was visible enough that I permanently switched to the light theme to get rid of it.
I found the SLCD screen to have a similar artifact.
If AT&T's HD7S really doesn't support any int'l 3G, then I'd say it's going to be a pretty poor choice for some folks. The addition of an SLCD screen is not even close to enough to recommend it over the original T-Mo HD7.
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and as for your screen only being marginally better... i have no clue what you were looking at but it wasnt a tmo vs att hd7.... the att one is tremendously better.... the magenta actually looks magenta on att's while the tmo one looks lavender... its no focus screen but it is much much better than the tmo one...

timnan said:
HD7S is quad band. I do not know where you got your info from.
If you go to ATT website to look all HD7S details you will find it does support 900/2100.
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From AT&T's web site:
GSM/GPRS: GSM/GPRS/EDGE Quad-Band 850/900/1800/1900MHz
3G - UMTS/HSDPA: HSPA/UMTS Dual-band 850/1900 MHz
The "quad band" you mention is for GSM/Edge -- *NOT* for 3G.
UMTS is 850/1900 *ONLY*.
Where did you see 900/2100 support mentioned?
AT&T seriously rides the fail train.

kawgirlval69 said:
and as for your screen only being marginally better... i have no clue what you were looking at but it wasnt a tmo vs att hd7.... the att one is tremendously better.... the magenta actually looks magenta on att's while the tmo one looks lavender... its no focus screen but it is much much better than the tmo one...
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It certainly was a T-Mo HD7 next to an AT&T HD7S .
I don't disagree that colors might be more accurate on the SLCD but it's all relative and for day to day use one gets used to the particular color characteristics of a phone and "close enough" is good enough.
The thing I was looking at was the artifacts and clarity during scrolling. The HD7S is no better than the HD7 in that regard. Maybe I'm just used to the AMOLED screen on my phone and have gotten spoiled .

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It certainly was a T-Mo HD7 next to an AT&T HD7S .
I don't disagree that colors might be more accurate on the SLCD but it's all relative and for day to day use one gets used to the particular color characteristics of a phone and "close enough" is good enough.
The thing I was looking at was the artifacts and clarity during scrolling. The HD7S is no better than the HD7 in that regard. Maybe I'm just used to the AMOLED screen on my phone and have gotten spoiled .
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must have been in bad light........... anyhow for all who really care heres the specs from htc's site.... atleast i dont have to buy a australian hd7 like i did the hd2 just so i could have a decent phone on at&t...

Never really noticed the artifact thing till I read this thread honestly. As for AMOLED, unless it is a Super AMOLED, I rather have artifact than the lower effective resolution of the PenTile (RGBG) setup AMOLED's use.
As far as the 3G, that's a hardware issue, there's no arm chipsets that support all 3G bands. Plus, the frequencies AT&T/T-mobile/etc uses is not their choice. They get what they can in the USA. T-Mobile had a huge problem with upgrading it's 3G network as a lot of areas failed to update their emergency frequencies for fire/EMT/etc in a timely matter which used the 1700 MHz band before it was sold to T-Mobile USA.

drkfngthdragnlrd said:
As far as the 3G, that's a hardware issue, there's no arm chipsets that support all 3G bands. Plus, the frequencies AT&T/T-mobile/etc uses is not their choice. They get what they can in the USA.
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You are missing the point.
Most AT&T phones (including all their other WP7 phones) support 850/1900 (USA frequencies) *AND* 2100 (int'l standard, for 3G roaming) for UMTS.
Similarly, most TMOUS phones support AWS (USA frequencies) *AND* 2100 (int'l standard, for 3G roaming) for UMTS. This includes the TMOUS HD7.
AT&T has dumbed down the HD7S so you cannot get int'l 3G roaming with it. In other words you get less than you get with their other WP7 devices and their other smartphones, and less than you get with TMOUS HD7.

drkfngthdragnlrd said:
there's no arm chipsets that support all 3G bands
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For the record, this is incorrect. Go look up "pentaband" -- for example the Nokia N8 supports 850/900/1700/1900/2100 UMTS. Those are all the 3G frequencies in common use around the world.

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You are missing the point.
Most AT&T phones (including all their other WP7 phones) support 850/1900 (USA frequencies) *AND* 2100 (int'l standard, for 3G roaming) for UMTS.
Similarly, most TMOUS phones support AWS (USA frequencies) *AND* 2100 (int'l standard, for 3G roaming) for UMTS. This includes the TMOUS HD7.
AT&T has dumbed down the HD7S so you cannot get int'l 3G roaming with it. In other words you get less than you get with their other WP7 devices and their other smartphones, and less than you get with TMOUS HD7.
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Still not AT&T's fault as HTC made the device. Also, it may be a restriction of the QSD8250 chipset & AT&T's frequencies. Don't forget that WP7 atm only supports the chipset. I may be wrong, but not that any of this matters because it just don't support. Complaining isn't going to change a thing.
tai4de2 said:
For the record, this is incorrect. Go look up "pentaband" -- for example the Nokia N8 supports 850/900/1700/1900/2100 UMTS. Those are all the 3G frequencies in common use around the world.
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Whoops, though I put "as far as I know" in there. Ether way, it's a broadcom 680 MHz CPU, doesn't meet WP7 Specs. I am kind of disappoint that by now pentaband 3G isn't widespread as quadband GSM.

drkfngthdragnlrd said:
Still not AT&T's fault as HTC made the device. Also, it may be a restriction of the QSD8250 chipset & AT&T's frequencies. Don't forget that WP7 atm only supports the chipset.
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Firstly, HTC makes the device with customizations AT&T asks for. If AT&T had asked for 2100 support, HTC would have delivered it.
Secondly, there is no such chipset limitation. As evidence: every other AT&T WP7 handset uses the exact same chipset and *does* support 850/1900 and 2100.
Most Americans probably wouldn't even notice this issue. I guess I am complaining because I am a T-Mo customer and this kind of restrictive AT&T FAIL is what I have to look forward to once AT&T has gobbled up T-Mobile. I really hate those guys.

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Firstly, HTC makes the device with customizations AT&T asks for. If AT&T had asked for 2100 support, HTC would have delivered it.
Secondly, there is no such chipset limitation. As evidence: every other AT&T WP7 handset uses the exact same chipset and *does* support 850/1900 and 2100.
Most Americans probably wouldn't even notice this issue. I guess I am complaining because I am a T-Mo customer and this kind of restrictive AT&T FAIL is what I have to look forward to once AT&T has gobbled up T-Mobile. I really hate those guys.
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I still don't believe it to be deliberate decision.
Don't get me wrong, I hate AT&T too. Their service sucks. I'm on T-Mobile & don't like this merger either. I've seen it happen numerous times I have 4 bar signal when my AT&T friends don't have any signal or 1-2 bars at most. I just wish there was another national GSM provider to move too. I just don't like CDMA at all. I love just being able to pop a SIM card into any unlocked device & go.

[Q] Is the htc one a world phone?

Idk if I'm using the term right, but I'm with t mobile and I know that they will offer the htc one. But that's rumored to be towards the end of march. But appearntly Europe will be getting it the first of march. So my question is: will all carriers be selling the same EXACT phone? Meaning can I get a euro version when it comes out and use it on t mobile, and still get 2g,3G,and 4g (hspa+,LTE) ? I'm very anxious to get a new phone. I'm down to the htc one and the xperia z.

Yeah it's a world phone, it won't be in the market before 15th march. As clove.co.uk states that. IMO Better to get from your carrier if you don't want to face any issues with network. But if you want fast updates, it's good to purchase from uk.
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Yes for 2g and 3g, not really for LTE in selected countries... And then I am certain that the LTE band will be tied down to that network provider. I will be amazed if this is not the case because HTC always does this, with exception of the HTC J-Butterfly (only in Japan), the reason behind this is that Japan law requires the phones to have world network support. The Sony XZ defninately covers world support on 2g,3g & 4g

We are in the same boat!
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Idk if I'm using the term right, but I'm with t mobile and I know that they will offer the htc one. But that's rumored to be towards the end of march. But appearntly Europe will be getting it the first of march. So my question is: will all carriers be selling the same EXACT phone? Meaning can I get a euro version when it comes out and use it on t mobile, and still get 2g,3G,and 4g (hspa+,LTE) ? I'm very anxious to get a new phone. I'm down to the htc one and the xperia z.
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We are in the same boat. I am with Tmobile and have Galaxy S3, but as soon as I saw the leaked image of HTC One, I was instantly fell in love with it and I am surely glad they kept the design. It is the kind of design and material I wanted for a long time. Anyway, cut to the point, I pre-ordered from Clove.co.uk and expansys-usa.com. Whichever can ship it first will have my money. The reason I pre-order instead of waiting is it looks like it will be cheaper this way since I am buying off-contract. Tmobile's phone usually have much higher price than other carriers like ATT. Of course you can buy att one and unlock it, but it is illegal in USA now so that complicates things. Only thing I am worrying about is the compatibility with Tmobile's upcoming LTE network. Since I am living in Houston, TX, it is only logical to think Tmobile's next LTE market will be somewhere in TX if not Houston. But, I saw their LTE band is not the one supported by HTC One. (I saw this in one of forum here. Don't have the link) Tmobile maybe make LTE version of this phone like galaxy note 2, but then that will now complicates the battery life. So I am not sure if I want to have LTE version of HTC One when the battery is not user replaceable. Besides I am more than content with current Tmobile's data speed as HSPA+ in houston area. So my point is if you are sure you will get this phone, pre-order seems the fastest one so far. I picked silver one BTW.

It might sound lazy but I'm actually really confused about the bands for the different networks in my country. I want to get an HTC One but I'm not sure if I will have 3g on my company "VTR", this company is from Chile in South America and I would be really thankful if anyone can give me a hand on this:
The website of the company is: http://www.vtr.com
Please, give me a hand on this as I'm really confused and I have been searching a lot to get more information. This is what I've found:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
VTR is at the number IV AWS 1700
Also I found this:
http://www.telecompaper.com/news/vtr-nextel-win-3g-licences-in-chile--690358
VTR, Nextel win 3G licences in Chile
Chile's telecommunications regulator Subtel has granted mobile operators VTR and Nextel spectrum for provision of 3G services. The tender covered three blocks of 30 MHz in the 1700/2100 MHz frequency band. Nextel won two out of three blocks of spectrum up in the 1700/2100MHz frequency bands, while VTR won the remaining block. Nextel's total offer for spectrum blocks B and C reached USD 14.7 million, while VTR won block A with an offer of USD 3.02 million. The new licences aim to boost competition on the Chilean mobile telephony market, currently divided among Entel PCS, Movistar and Claro. The Chilean telecoms market currently reaches 15 million customers. According to Rene Cortazar, minister of transport and communications, the two licence winners have a maximum of one year – that is by the second half of 2010 – to complete their 3G networks deployment across the country.
VTR 3g frecuencies: 1700/2100
I currently have an HTC Desire HD, however, I'm unable to use 3g with my device. Please help me confirm that the ONE will work on this network, else, I will have to change my network
A little bit more information can be found here:
http://www.apecdoc.org/site/chile/2009/06/11/vtr-sets-up-vtr-movil-to-bid-for-3g-licence-chile/
Thank you very much for all your help

The phone doesn't have support for the 1700 band, but will work on the 2100 band offered by your provider. The biggest problem you face is what is the difference between bands for VTS, typically network providers will offer a faster network and or more coverage on one of their bands. If in Chile this is the 2100 band you are away laughing.
Just had a look at the specs of your HTC Desire HD and the news is bad.The new HTC one will the same as your previous phone on that network.
I don't understand what you are saying about your phone not on 3G, the 2100Mhz network is 3G, however it would seem that your provider is offering it's premium higher speed services on 1700Mhz.
I suggest you go to www.gsmarena.com then search for brands of phones that have 1700Mhz radios. So got to say HTC, and under bands select 1700 then filter, you will find only 13.
After checking this, scrub the above and only use it as a super rough guide. Because it states the Sony XZ as 1700Mhz, but no Sony website claims this that I can see.

danw_oz said:
The phone doesn't have support for the 1700 band, but will work on the 2100 band offered by your provider. The biggest problem you face is what is the difference between bands for VTS, typically network providers will offer a faster network and or more coverage on one of their bands. If in Chile this is the 2100 band you are away laughing.
Just had a look at the specs of your HTC Desire HD and the news is bad.The new HTC one will the same as your previous phone on that network.
I don't understand what you are saying about your phone not on 3G, the 2100Mhz network is 3G, however it would seem that your provider is offering it's premium higher speed services on 1700Mhz.
I suggest you go to www.gsmarena.com then search for brands of phones that have 1700Mhz radios. So got to say HTC, and under bands select 1700 then filter, you will find only 13.
After checking this, scrub the above and only use it as a super rough guide. Because it states the Sony XZ as 1700Mhz, but no Sony website claims this that I can see.
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Thanks a lot, I hope the phone gets 3g, however, I know that Entel (another company in my country) will offer the HTC One on the third or fourth trimester of this year and it might allow LTE connection. If that's the situation, I might consider changing my mobile provider
I really appreciate your answer.
Thank you

its not worth buying the international version anymore if the US carrier versions are the same as the international one..
LTE is moving forward and HSPA+ will stop development in a few years once T-Mobile switch to LTE
im sure the T-Mobile version will be the same as the rest with LTE ready

yes i think only small 4g lte variations

YoungAceAtlanta said:
its not worth buying the international version anymore if the US carrier versions are the same as the international one..
LTE is moving forward and HSPA+ will stop development in a few years once T-Mobile switch to LTE
im sure the T-Mobile version will be the same as the rest with LTE ready
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Not true, there is three LTE variants in the US depending on the band eg provider The best US is AT&T which covers all of US. It all comes down to what bands your country decides to go with on LTE.
So it is a toss up between AT&T or UK model depending on your LTE band requirements.
HSPA/WCDMA:
Europe/Asia: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
LTE:
EU: 800/1800/2600 MHz
US (AT&T): 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz
US (TMO): 700/AWS MHz
US (Sprint): 1900 MHz
Asia: 1800/2600 Mhz
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:No-Frost: said:
Thanks a lot, I hope the phone gets 3g, however, I know that Entel (another company in my country) will offer the HTC One on the third or fourth trimester of this year and it might allow LTE connection. If that's the situation, I might consider changing my mobile provider
I really appreciate your answer.
Thank you
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No worries, it's my pleasure.
As I said before your current HTC phone should be 3G on your network provider because 2100mhz is 3G.
ANd most unfortunate for you in South America is that they use such a mix of LTE bands covering most of the LTE spectrum, in this case you are better off with the Sony Xperia Z, which covers almost all of the used LTE bands.
I have used Claro in South America which has great coverage, but bad customer service, but I guess you always get that with the big players.

Hi,
I'm on a Canadian provider that has a hard time with getting good phones. I'm on Wind mobile and actually those who are on Mobilicity are in the same boat. When HTC One X came out it wasn't available for Wind or Mobilicity, when HTC One X+ came out it wasn't available either. Only the cheaper versions of One S would work on it, other ones didn't support the bands. I can see that for Canada none of these providers are listed to carry HTC One. Does it support the bands that Wind and Mobilicity operate at? Will it work on it? They operate in AWS

Do a search is been answered a hundred times already
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help
i need help with my one.. it doesnt seem to want to turn on after it gets a full charge

overpound said:
i need help with my one.. it doesnt seem to want to turn on after it gets a full charge
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Why hijack this thread, what does your phone turning on or not have anything to do with the topic
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mikemol said:
Hi,
I'm on a Canadian provider that has a hard time with getting good phones. I'm on Wind mobile and actually those who are on Mobilicity are in the same boat. When HTC One X came out it wasn't available for Wind or Mobilicity, when HTC One X+ came out it wasn't available either. Only the cheaper versions of One S would work on it, other ones didn't support the bands. I can see that for Canada none of these providers are listed to carry HTC One. Does it support the bands that Wind and Mobilicity operate at? Will it work on it? They operate in AWS
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Why don't you go back one page and read, I have posted all the bands supported by the phone. AT&T will be your best option for coverage

I've got a bit of a similar question about where this phone will work on a specific network. If I buy an unlocked CDMA version of the HTC one, can I just drop a Verizon sim card into it and use the phone on verizon's network?

emepror said:
I've got a bit of a similar question about where this phone will work on a specific network. If I buy an unlocked CDMA version of the HTC one, can I just drop a Verizon sim card into it and use the phone on verizon's network?
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There is no CDMA version, and cdma devices do not use sim cards.
M.
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only reason i bring that up because the ONE will be on sprint's network which is CDMA, along with the fact that i thought verizon 4g phones used sim cards ( my pantech marauder loner phone had one). thanks for the answer

Hello
Do you know if the European version of the HTC One will be compatible with the American 3G network (ie : AT&T)...
Because last summer I was in USA and with my old HTC (not compatible with AT&T 3G), I was only able to use 2G networks for internet and it was very very bad...
So I'm asking !
Many thanks in advance for the answer !!! :good:

mbh017 said:
Hello
Do you know if the European version of the HTC One will be compatible with the American 3G network (ie : AT&T)...
Because last summer I was in USA and with my old HTC (not compatible with AT&T 3G), I was only able to use 2G networks for internet and it was very very bad...
So I'm asking !
Many thanks in advance for the answer !!! :good:
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Well, as far as I know, the HTC One will be just one device with no difference with the ones sold in America, Europe, Asia, etc...

:No-Frost: said:
Well, as far as I know, the HTC One will be just one device with no difference with the ones sold in America, Europe, Asia, etc...
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Thank you!
If it's confirmed, I will definitly buy this HTC One in march!!