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Kaiser or Touch dual - which is better?

Hi all,
I recently acquired a TyTn 2 having previously owned one (in the guise of the Vario 3) and being distincly unimpressed with it. Having tried a number of different ROMS with this one I've finally settled on Dutty's Diamond V1 and I'm pretty happy.
I have a dilemma though, and it is mainly caused by shortcomings i've experienced in the device. These are:
1 - the GPS is useless. Other people seem to have the same problem too. I've tried different radios and different ROMs and have finally changed to an external bluetooth module after giving up hope of getting a fix with the internal gubbins.
2 - the camera is terrible: granted I've come from an N95 but seriously guys, the camera on the kaiser is so slow with such dreadful colour reproduction that I simply haven't been using it AT ALL.
3 - the slide-out keyboard is unreliable and cramped. I regularly found that it had missed out letters or spaces in sentences. I now use the diamond keypad all the time and I really like it.
NOW HERE'S THE QUESTION.
Since I can't use internal GPS, don't use the camera and find the sliding keypad unreliable would I be better swapping for the Touch Dual? It's cheaper, a lot slimmer and doesn't seem to have worse spec than the TyTn 2 (unless I'm mistaken). Or has anyone else had the same problems I've had?
Is there any other advantage of the TyTn2 over the touch dual other than qwerty and GPS?
Cheers everyone

I've access to both devices, I personally use the TYTN2, and my partner fell in love with the touch plus (t-mo branded touch dual)
I find the tytn2 screen to be more responsive to touch, as the dual screen feels more flexible. GPS hasnt really been an issue for me, and seems to work fine, but I've also got a bluetooth GPS adapter, and that works fine with the Dual as well.
I prefer the weight of the TYTN2 as well, the smaller form factor of the dual makes it feel... more plasticy I guess.
I know you said you dont like the keyboard, but to be honest I think thats the main reason I prefer it. I like being able to rattle out an email without using a stylus, sure I miss letters every so often, but I do that typing on a keyboard too if I'm honest.
utimately, I think you'll find it comes down to form factor, as I cant really fault either device on its day to day running.

I have both the TyTN II and Touch Dual. There are things I like about both devices.
The TyTN II has better range/reception. The QWERTY keyboard is a huge plus. I don't use GPS so I can't comment. The TyTN II is faster. The screen size is another plus.
The Touch Dual is smaller and fits in your hand better (which is a huge plus). The text input is smart, but not a replacement to a full QWERTY, but it does work well. The ROM seems to be perfected compared to the TyTN II ROM. The dialer is a plus.
I use my TyTN II more, especially during business hours, but I like the Touch Dual.
I can't wait for the quad-band Diamond/Touch Pro.

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madmatt079 said:
I have both the TyTN II and Touch Dual. There are things I like about both devices.
The TyTN II has better range/reception. The QWERTY keyboard is a huge plus. I don't use GPS so I can't comment. The TyTN II is faster. The screen size is another plus.
The Touch Dual is smaller and fits in your hand better (which is a huge plus). The text input is smart, but not a replacement to a full QWERTY, but it does work well. The ROM seems to be perfected compared to the TyTN II ROM. The dialer is a plus.
I use my TyTN II more, especially during business hours, but I like the Touch Dual.
I can't wait for the quad-band Diamond/Touch Pro.
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Please, you have as making available this rom and Radio, therefore I locked my Kaiser. Thank you.

Daimond vs Kaiser...comments please?

People,
Posted here as I think a lot of the Kaiser community has "upgraded" to the new Diamond.....as I am thinking of doing!
Looking for comments from real users of both devices as to pros and cons of the Diamond over the Kaiser....would you do it again if given the option??
Thanks in advance......

well, i am one of the comunity used Kaiser for long time, never let me down, perfect keyboard.. and now here is Diamond... ) if i compare the both devices, Diamond is the KING now in my eyes, only thing i really missing is the keyboard, but now you don't be afraid put the diamond in to the pocket, because is perfect thin.. and the weight is absolutely perfect, i can't even feel the diamond in my pocket )) the processor is ok, fast, TFL3d is nice, for TOMTOM perfect VGA display, well be honest, if you want new, modern device, with better VGA display, better processor, thin and light devices although without the keyboard, go for it.. that's my opinion.and if u want using this device for SatNav, few documents the 4GIG of storage is enough... ( tomtom, maps UK+IRL and Western europe, few documents, few cabs and still i have about 2GIG free )
sorry for my english

Thanks for the reply...sounds like your pretty happy with the investment.....is the speed genuinely better than the Kaiser?

Happy now
But what's about the battery?

The Kaiser has the better battery life, the keyboard (which I don't miss to be honest) and the sd card slot (which I also don't miss as I only ever had 1 4 Gb card anyway!),
Diamond is more useable I don't get the stylus out much), easier to carry and IMHO looks much bettter.

Look into my signature... Diamond Touch Pro is still missing to have a 3 in a row. The Diamond touch will not belong in ther list for long
I don't use my TYTN II currently, but hell, how many times I told myself if the TytnII could be put in the Diamond Boddy...
Guess it explains enough. My Diamond will not to be kept for a long time , despite the 750 US $ investment.

HTC Touch Diamond or HTC Touch Pro?

Hello all...
Thinking of getting a new phone and i have narrowed it down to these 2.. i origionally wanted an iphone but i dont wanna leave my contract to o2 so i can get either of these 2 from vodafone..
i really like the keyboard in the touch pro and my old phone was a HTC Wizard and when i upgraded this to the HTC Artemis i missed the keyboard but loved the fact the i'd practically halfed the size of the phone., the Diamond is a gorgeous phone and i'm just wondering what the size difference between the Diamond and Touch Pro is?
also is there any difference in features other than a keyboard?
my price plan at the moment is 500 mins 500 texts with unlimited internet for £30 a month...
i really want 3G because i'm currently using GPRS and its really slow
any ideas???
Thank You
KevAndLynds

touch pro has keyboard, flash, more ram, memory card support

u'll get more than 3G, u'll have HSDPA (14Mb/s rather than 3Mb/s)
I'd go for the Touch HD if it was me... depends on budget tho.

I was in much the same dilemma. I had an Artemis, well Tmobile's version of it, and was quite happy with the size of the device. I pondered for ages between the Diamond and the Pro and in the end went for the Diamond (mda Compact iv) and got it on £25/month for 12 months
My reasoning was that the only thing attracting me to the Pro was the card slot and possible better battery life, but I never ran out of space on my artemis with a 2GB card, the mdac4 has 4GB built in, and I am never far away from a power supply, home - car - work - car - home all of which have power.
The mdac4 feels a lot smaller than the artemis and it is also lighter. % days with it so far and I'm more than happy with my choice

I prefered the Diamond , less thickness and less weight..
4 GB is fine for me.., I had (and still have) P3300 (Artemis) with 2Gb and still have 300Mb free

Change a HTC Diamond with a SAMSUNG OMNIA...

....what do u think about this choice?
That's because I have the possibility to change my old Diamond (of one year) with a new SAMSUNG OMNIA....for free...
...I took a look to this OMNIA and is very nice: Camera of 5mpx with flash, 8GB internal memory with microSD reader, bigger screen (I think like the HTC HD), and a better and loud ring sound...
Thaks for your opinions!

keep in mind that omnia is longer , wider , thicker , Heavier ,dont have a lot af developers here and does not have custom rom in this forum so you need to go to other site , also i dont know about your country but in my country you cant sell samsung with a good price
so its your decision

i think u made a slightly wrong decision
1.samsung is wider and too thick I think for its class(if there is a keyboard like touch pro, I don't mind the size)
2.there is no many cooked rom for omnia(compared to htc touch family)
3.the support of samsung is bad in my country(its up to u,because u are not in my country)

Omnia has lower screen resolution and no real d-pad. But it has a wide screen and inbuilt codecs for divx. So if you want to watch movies go for Omnia. Also the Omnia I was playing with had a very unsensitive screen comparing to my Diamond. Plus it uses propertiary connectors - a cheap car charger which worked with my Diamond couldn't charge the Omnia with data cable that came with the phone, though it charged from a PC.
I would stay with Diamond. But if you prefer Omnia, try to get 16gb one.

Should I buy a diamond 2 when I've already got a Diamond?

I've been offered a Diamond 2 for pretty cheap and I was wondering what the guys thought about updating?
is it really worth the expense for a removable card and a little bigger screen...or is there more to it?
Is this all there is?
what do you think?
Thanks
mike

The Diamond 2 offers two main advantages:
1. style. It has a bigger screen, and looks better. This is ofcourse depending on your own taste
2. Software. The Diamond 2 has, in my opinion, a much better touchflo interface.
Ofcourse 1 can only be achieved by buying the device. But 2 can also be achieved by a custom ROM. I personally use Gen.Y's D2 ROM. It basically just the diamond rom with the diamond 2 interface installed: very nice. If you want to update read this for a guide. Also wait a few days, Gen.Y will release R5.1 on january 5.
He also makes roms based on the new HTC HD2 Sense interface: Gen.Y's D2X ROM. I've tried it: its definitly a nice interface upgrade but it's kind of laggy on the diamond and uses more RAM. If you want it you should buy a real HD2: it's hardware is very good and reviews say it's super-fast (it has a 1Ghz CPU as opposed to the +-500Mhz of the Diamond, Diamond2 etc.).
To round up: I wouldn't do it, just install a custom rom for the new interface and save the money for a real upgrade, like the HD2.

Thanks for the thoughts, i originally got the TD cos of it's size to power ratio, i recn that the HD/2 is pushing the size thing for me.
I can put the TD in an aluminium belt case and it's not really in the way. the HD may be thou....I need to do more homework first

I have a diamond1, my hubby has a diamond2, and as i really like the looks and size of diamond1 alot more, i also have to admit that the diamond2 is a much more up to date device, it's way faster (processor), has no storage limitations (card slot) and is alot less damage sensitive (diamond1 screen is full of scratches).
Yes, the diamond2 is bigger, but the bigger screen really has advantages (surfing, calender use, input etc..) and i must admit too that TF3D works alot smoother outta the box with diamond2.
Tx to this site i managed to upgrade my diamond1 to a higher standard so it still suits my needs, but i keep bumping in to memory problems (RAM and storage) every now and then, where the diamond2 has no problems at all.
Diamond2 runs even smoother with the newer cooked ROMS (even the ones with all the Leo stuff in it).
I would definitaly choose the diamond2 above the diamond1, but plz don't tell my hubby

Nirak said:
I have a diamond1, my hubby has a diamond2, and as i really like the looks and size of diamond1 alot more, i also have to admit that the diamond2 is a much more up to date device, it's way faster (processor), has no storage limitations (card slot) and is alot less damage sensitive
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The processor of the diamond2 and diamond is 100% the same... The only speed differences can be because of the RAM or interface...
The card slot I'll give you, but speed? A diamond with a basic stripped rom and manilla 2.1 is at least as fast as a stock diamond2, if not faster.

I prefer Diamond II than Diamond I which has
+ Better battery
+ Expansion card slot
+ Bigger screen
+ Reservered ( I haven't got it yet )
I'll take Diamond II when I have chance.

hmmm.....can i justify the expense it's in really good nic and my beloved 3700 is looking a bit worse for wear ...

I love my Diamond but it has it's disadvantages like a shortage of RAM, although the Diamond II does have more RAM it wouldn't make sense for me personally to upgrade to a Diamond II (both have basically the same hardware). I'm due for an upgrade next week and thought that it would be best to upgrade to the Touch HD2 but since it's not available in my country yet I opted to go for the Touch Pro 2 since it has some nice features that the Diamond II does not have... and offcourse a nice big slide out keyboard! The fact that the Diamond II has a 5mp camera and the Touch Pro 2 only a 3.2mp one doesn't matter much to me as well since I barely use it in any case.

It's difficult to add more to what has already been said for the advantages of the Diamond 2 over the Diamond 1.
Recap:
• way better camera
• way better screen
• way better memory (Ram & Rom)
• better battery consumption
• better construction build
• despite the CPU's are identical in specs. Diamond 2 CPU is been rated faster then original diamond
Bonus:
• if you have a great price it's a no brainier as the original Diamond can only compete if lighter weight and smaller size was a priority.
If it had a 3.5mm Jack, heck I think I would trade in my HD for it....

dtechnology said:
The processor of the diamond2 and diamond is 100% the same... The only speed differences can be because of the RAM or interface...
The card slot I'll give you, but speed? A diamond with a basic stripped rom and manilla 2.1 is at least as fast as a stock diamond2, if not faster.
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You're right, i didn't know the processor was the same (only different last digit in specs and rated just a tinytiny bit faster), and i'm comparing them running both on WM6.5 with Sense 2.5, that's not fair towards the good ol' diamond1

I've been thinking about what to upgrade to myself actually. I'm not really willing to pay for a phone offline- so have to restrict myself to the upgrade options available on T-Mobile UK.
The obvious choice would be the HD2 but just thinking it is just that too big, especially going from a Diamond (?)
I dont see the Vario V (HTC Rhodium/TP2) on T-Mobile UK site, anyone if they still do it?
I agree with others that the Diamond2 probably wouldnt be worth it. Saying that, if the price you are getting it at is really cheap then it could be an option; you could always sell off your Diamond. But I'm definitely not about to 'waste' my upgrade on the Diamond2
With the latest ROMs around at the moment, the Diamond barely manages to cope (WM 6.5.x with Sense 2.5 for example).

dtechnology is correct
its just down to personal choice to be fair