Related
Seems to be an inordinate amount of dissatisfaction with "this ROM" or "that Radio" due to perceived sudden battery drain.
I believe that I have far more variance in battery drain, day to day with the same setup, than I have due to changing ROM or Radio.
I have sometimes run the exact same setup for several days in a row, yet one day it will seem like battery is lasting forever, and another day it seems that battery is draining very rapidly.
IMHO, of all the criteria of importance in evaluating a new ROM or Radio, battery drain is towards the bottom of the list. Just like my laptop, I make sure that I always am prepared to renew my charge - I have a charger at the office, at home, and in the car - at all times! My Wizard is my everyday tool, and function and stability are way more important than battery life. I plug in and gas up whenever I get the chance, so I have never had an issue with running out of juice!
My opinion is that charge and drain cycles, and program use, probably account for 90% of the perceived variance.
Am I the only one that thinks that battery drain issues are over-hyped?
cushcalc said:
Seems to be an inordinate amount of dissatisfaction with "this ROM" or "that Radio" due to perceived sudden battery drain.
I believe that I have far more variance in battery drain, day to day with the same setup, than I have due to changing ROM or Radio.
I have sometimes run the exact same setup for several days in a row, yet one day it will seem like battery is lasting forever, and another day it seems that battery is draining very rapidly.
IMHO, of all the criteria of importance in evaluating a new ROM or Radio, battery drain is towards the bottom of the list. Just like my laptop, I make sure that I always am prepared to renew my charge - I have a charger at the office, at home, and in the car - at all times! My Wizard is my everyday tool, and function and stability are way more important than battery life. I plug in and gas up whenever I get the chance, so I have never had an issue with running out of juice!
My opinion is that charge and drain cycles, and program use, probably account for 90% of the perceived variance.
Am I the only one that thinks that battery drain issues are over-hyped?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Your probably not the only one who thinks the issue is over-hyped ,that said it is very much an important issue. I'm not sure that I would list it at the top of my must haves list but isn't anywhere near the bottom. A stable working rom is what matters most but what use is it if requires you keep a spare battery in pocket to use it. These variances are certainly not figments of our imagination as I have seen my wizard go from lasting 3 days to less than one with no change in the useage profile.
I've never had an issue with battery drain. But -- like you -- I keep my Wizard "topped off" with a charger at my desk at work, in the car and a desktop cradle/charger at home. When my battery life drops below 80% it goes on the charger wherever I am.
I also find that my battery life is in direct relation to running apps/Today plugins more than ROM issues. So, if I don't run some of the more power-intensive apps, my battery lasts longer.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it. . .
Typically there is one or more programs that cause the battery to drop quickly. I know that recently after I performed a hard reset on my x-bow install (Orwell's), my battery drain problems went away. However, when I restored the backup, they came back so I went ahead and performed another hard reset, and installed all my programs one by one again. After a couple of times doing this, the problem finally went away. Believe me, it got so aggravating at one point that I switched back to AKU 3.2. I did install the 02.61.11 radio rom, and I think that may have helped.
The issue is not overhyped. I know that it happens, but a lot can be resolved by being patient with what we install and when we do it.
jwzg said:
Typically there is one or more programs that cause the battery to drop quickly. I know that recently after I performed a hard reset on my x-bow install (Orwell's), my battery drain problems went away. However, when I restored the backup, they came back so I went ahead and performed another hard reset, and installed all my programs one by one again. After a couple of times doing this, the problem finally went away. Believe me, it got so aggravating at one point that I switched back to AKU 3.2. I did install the 02.61.11 radio rom, and I think that may have helped.
The issue is not overhyped. I know that it happens, but a lot can be resolved by being patient with what we install and when we do it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hi Actually, yesterday I took my phone from the charger at 100% at 7AM, by 6PM I had less than 50%. Only used it twice for a regular call and a couple of texst messages. Today it is a lot better. It alternates between fast drain on one day and then another day it could be good. I am using Faria's V2 rom, 8mb pool. As far as the memory leak in Faria's V1, a beta version of today agenda came out that I am using on Faria's V2 and have not had memory leak issues. All in all, it's a great rom, even if it has the battery issues, Cingular did a crappy job with the original rom.
ROM upgrades
ROM upgrades reset the battery history, so that it has to learn how long it lasts. This makes for a lot of variance in battery percentage, but not in voltage; all it is doing is learning how voltage translates into battery duration. Usually just a day or two after a new ROM and battery drop stabilizes. But it never learns perfectly -- my battery stays at 100% for hours and then starts falling a percent or two an hour.
Wifi uses up a lot of power. Just being connected to a bluetooth headset doesn't seem to use much but if it is searching for the headset (e.g. because it is off) then it uses a lot of power, although not as much as wifi. Searching for GSM also uses a lot of power and if I know I will be out of touch for a long period of time I turn off the phone, but just being connected to GSM doesn't seem to use much.
on a thread i read to use the device unlocked option, it worked for me
Exactly, the biggest factors for battery usage are (apart from wifi and using applications of course):
1) reception quality
2) data connection
example 1: London, crap reception at home, average usage, two mailboxes checking mail every 5mins, gprs always on : 7am - 100%, 8pm - 25%
example 2: Same as above but one email checked every 15min, second every 30min : 7am - 100%, 8pm - 50%
example 3: Egypt, reception always excellent, no data connection, usage SLIGHTLY less: 7am - 100%, 8pm - 94%!!!
Anyway, that's the price for the performance I guess, if the battery life would be the most important thing, I would buy Nokia 6310...
Here's an amazing discovery. My phone was at 25% in about 8 hours. I will leave the phone at 100% at night and it will be at 75% the next morning. By chance I purchased a brand new battery to place in another phone that had a broken usb. I placed the brand new battery in my old phone to charge it and at 100% I removed it and placed my old battery and charged it to 100%. Now I leave my phone at 100% at night and the next morning its at 100%. Go figure...... Overnight, the phone radio is on and so is bluetooth
Suspicion, drain rate is a memory issue....... comments
cushcalc said:
I believe that I have far more variance in battery drain, day to day with the same setup, than I have due to changing ROM or Radio.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I totaly agree, I have my PDA hooked to Exchange with wireless active sync and full attachment download. If I was to say get 5 emails with 10 MB attachments, and then have a 2 hour conversation with some one I haven't talked to in a while I would most definately use more of my charge that day.
The point is that to me battery drain is more about usage either perceived or not. I set my PDA to do whatever it wants, so that is what it does.
One thing that i have noticed is how you charge your Phone. I have noticed that if i charge my phone with the home wall charger i'll have to charge later that night. But if i charge it thru the USB cord from my computer, the phone stays charged for almost 2 days. Thats why i only charge my phone now thru the usb cable. if you dont believe try it out and you will be amazed.
deviusdragger said:
One thing that i have noticed is how you charge your Phone. I have noticed that if i charge my phone with the home wall charger i'll have to charge later that night. But if i charge it thru the USB cord from my computer, the phone stays charged for almost 2 days. Thats why i only charge my phone now thru the usb cable. if you dont believe try it out and you will be amazed.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
that's quite strange - definitely not the case for me...
well everyone i work with here has a pocket pc and i told them to try that out and they actually noticed a difference in how long the battery would stay charged even with regular usage of the device. So either this must work or im a real good manipulator.
Hi all,
I just wanted to tell my opninion about the standard (900mAh) battery.
I heard a lot of people complaining about the battery, I also complained about the battery. But that was only the first week when I got the phone. After a week or 2 the battery became better and better, every time I charged it up. Now I use the phone 3 days without charging , compared to the 1 day I could use the battery in the beginning, 3 days is very good. Things what I do in those 3 days are: Internet (umts, hspda), Reading RRS feeds, taking pictures, listening music. So the battery is quite good. And I am happy now!!
Unlike the good battery, I am going to buy a new battery (1350 mAh) Imagine how good it then will be, then I can use even more like 5 days.
I just gave my opninion because, before I bought the Diamond, I heard rumors about the battery, that was almost a reason for me not to buy the Diamond. Still I bought it, and I can't confirm these rumors.
THE BATTERY IS PERFECT, and the phone is great too (especcially with the v1.93 rom)
So don't listen to those rumors, and give your own opninion, I give this phone a 9!!
I have had my diamond a week, and i found that the battery would be flat before i got in from work (8:00-5:00) and thats with very moderate use.
Last time I charged it up, I didnt use the charger that came with it, but instead used a standard wall mains to usb charger (came with a blue tooth gps) and its now on its second day, and it has only lost 3 cells on the power info screen.
have been using the phone more than normal only thing i have done different is install the tweaked com.manager to turn 3g off (dont get 3g in the are im at any way) and it seems to be great now.
where did you find this tweaked manager?
intel286 said:
where did you find this tweaked manager?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
just use advaced configuration tool. Go to Options, Comm manager and add '3g' to the tick boxes.
I've made a few tweaks with Schaps and TF3Dconfig and my battery has excellent life now. I think it does take a few days of charging and discharging to settle down but I can now go days with reasonable use
In my opinion it also depends on WHAT you use to charge up your battery. I mean, whether you use the stock charger, or 3rd party charger.
I bought a 3rd party charger (http://www.momax.net/products_detail.php?cid=2&scid=1523&brandcat=82&pid=11134) and the output is only 400mA, when compare to the stock charge (where the output is 1A), even thought both are fully charged, I observe that the one using stock charge, can last longer than the one charged by the momax one.
Anyone has the same experience?
I already posted my thoughts.
My MDA lasts longer when charged with the stock charger (5V , 1A) as opposed to charging from my PCs USB port (5V, 0.5A)
Thank you for confirming what I was experiencing.
Yep same here, the battery last around 2-3 days. Turning of around 12pm and back on around 8am.
And yes charging form the outlet takes less time and seems to give a better more solid charge.
And yes the tweaks help very much.
Hey guys we are just getting to know our Jewel.
Shes a friendly gal!!!
Luck Fellas
I just watch one movie in Coreplayer and the battery becomes half empty. The battery is a joke. Sorry, I love this phone, but HTC really dropped the ball on the battery.
aydc said:
I just watch one movie in Coreplayer and the battery becomes half empty. The battery is a joke. Sorry, I love this phone, but HTC really dropped the ball on the battery.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Now it depends on the length of the movie doesn't it?
Another thing with ion-lit bats is that they require very controlled charge and that explains a lot of the problems experienced. I also believe the initial charging is important to respect. I charged mine for a full day initially, and noticed that it used all night for charging for a while (even the indicator was on full).
Today it was used for a few calls, had it on BT sync with my PC for a couple of hours, and used iGO GPS for 20 min, still leaving it 3/4 full. I could wish for more battery capacity - one week would be nice - but as long I only need charging at night I personally see no major issue. I have an extra battery or two as I tend to use the phine as MP3 player on long haul flights which I certainally prefer to the thicker backcover and the 1800 mAh battery.
when i got this diamond phone last week the battery performance
was bad serving me with less then a day worth of power where i
had to buy a second battery.
now that i have been off from work for a few days (3 days) i finaly
had the chance to cain this phone properly eg. flipping wifi on/off
through out the day listening to shoutcast, lenghty periods trying
to setup LAN, listening music while out on the road and checking
emails, looking on the net, yapping on the phone and sending txt messages.
to my supprise the battery seem to be holding up pretty good. now it
appears to be holding out till the end of the day where before i had to
carry two batteries now i think i can get away with carrying just one.
here are my stupid questions
1, does htc batteries get better performance after multiple charges?
2, did i have a semi faulty battery and now a miracle has happend?
3, am i just dreaming that the more i use the longer the battery stays on?
today i charged the bat. at 9am (ish) and now its 3,45pm. i still have 3 bars
remaining im supprised as from before a few days ago this was not the case.
im using the daimond with no mods and standard battery.
HD
suprised!
HtcDia said:
when i got this diamond phone last week the battery performance
was bad serving me with less then a day worth of power where i
had to buy a second battery.
now that i have been off from work for a few days (3 days) i finaly
had the chance to cain this phone properly eg. flipping wifi on/off
through out the day listening to shoutcast, lenghty periods trying
to setup LAN, listening music while out on the road and checking
emails, looking on the net, yapping on the phone and sending txt messages.
to my supprise the battery seem to be holding up pretty good. now it
appears to be holding out till the end of the day where before i had to
carry two batteries now i think i can get away with carrying just one.
here are my syupid questions
1, does htc batteries get better perfomance after multiple cahrges?
2, did i have a semi faulty battery and now a miracle has happend?
3, am i just dreaming that the more i use the longer the battery stays on?
today i charged the bat. at 9am (ish) and now its 3,45pm. i still have 3 bars
remaining im supprised as from before a few days ago this was not the case.
im using the daimond with no mods and standard battery.
HD
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
hiya mate,
I am going through the same thing. First day I got the phone and battery was awful about 4 hours it lasted me! very shocked. but it is holding out.
I did charge the phone initially for about 12 hours as specified but don't know if that helps.
what i tend to find with new mobiles is that you have to charge fully and then DISCHARGE FULLY the phone numerous amount of times to get it to perform to the best of its abilities. I don't think its anything to do with HTC batteries, just the fact that new batteries have never been used and need to learn!
RAF_SHC said:
hiya mate,
I am going through the same thing. First day I got the phone and battery was awful about 4 hours it lasted me! very shocked. but it is holding out.
I did charge the phone initially for about 12 hours as specified but don't know if that helps.
what i tend to find with new mobiles is that you have to charge fully and then DISCHARGE FULLY the phone numerous amount of times to get it to perform to the best of its abilities. I don't think its anything to do with HTC batteries, just the fact that new batteries have never been used and need to learn!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
you are half right. this battery life is improving if you keep charging it but it is not advised to fully discharge them.
the fully charged-fully discharged method was for the old batteries with "memory".
somewhere in this forum, in the trinity forum somebody experimented the two ways of charging-discharging the battery. the conclusion was that it is better to charge the battery anytime, any occasion u have.
Indeed, the battery's performances (and this is applicable to all common batteries) will increase by time until it reaches its max capabilities.
To gain performance, the battery has to discharge and charge very frequently, or better, continuously. I don't really know how the Diamond manages it (meaning if the battery is full, will the device still get power from the battery if it is plugged on, or will it drain power from the cable. It could also drain from battery if it is fully charged and charge it in the same time, or it could simply always take it from the cable and charge the battery in less time)
The reverse is also true, meaning if you don't discharge/charge your battery frequently enough, its performances will decrease by time.
Also, if your battery discharges and charges all the time, it's lifetime will be longer than a battery that is only used once in a week.
I don't know if I made it clear, lol.
By the way, don't think that if you keep charging your battery you will end up with weeks of battery, there is a limit and it is 850mAh on the stock battery, if I remember correctly.
thanks for the tips some say discharging is good and some say dont.
all i know its 8:35pm and i have only used 1 bar from around 4:30
which now leave me with 2 bars. im jumping for joy because normally
by 6pm ish the battery would have already died.
with all the hammering today i cant believe it only took 2 bars in nearly
12 hours and thats with no extra charge from the psu and only 5 usb
connections to the pc to sync and add files totaling 2 - 5 minutes
on each connection.
now i can officially say this phone is "DA BOMB"
time to sell the e90 and e65
The thing that kills the battery on this phone above everything else is the GPS - knocks it out in 90minutes or less. If you were having fun (even for a few minutes) with it in your first few days, this might explain it...
GPS?
konsta819 said:
The thing that kills the battery on this phone above everything else is the GPS - knocks it out in 90minutes or less. If you were having fun (even for a few minutes) with it in your first few days, this might explain it...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
yeha that would explain it but the thing is I haven't even installed TomTom or any other GPS related app!!! weird. but i've had it for about 4 days now and battery does seem to improve slightly on a daily basis.
Hi
I have noticed when I soft reset my phone the battery drops anywere from 5% up to about 70%! It varies from rom to rom. If i plug it in and softreset it a couple of times the battery goes up to around what it use to be. If it makes a difference I flash roms alot and don't usually install to many applications.
Is this normal at all or is my battery faulty? It's only about 8 months old.
Any ideas? Tips I could try?
Thanks
Imran
you know, i have the same problem when installing, touch x legendary rom, battery is about 96,96% but when i install that rom, battery drops down to 8,7%, i just plug in power for second, and battery jumps to 98%, and then all working fine...
The way phones and other devices display their state of charge (%) isn't always accurate, hence why it jumps back up 5% after plugging it in. I don't think your battery is unreliable, it's just reporting the wrong percent of charge...
I see. Mine is more like 50% so I guess mine is just really wrong! any ideas for fixing this?
Also i have the typical xperia x1 problem were it thinks the headphones are plugged in for the last 4 days. I have plugging and unplugging the headphones in heaps but it doesn't seem to work
Thanks
I have the same problem.
Phone has one year and 8 months.
Wine phone or battery?
I just got exact problem this morning
I agree with comment above, I think it just battery indicator not accurately represented battery state.
I also noticed the problem happened when I get my phone idle for a while
I was just going to start a new thread about this kind of thing. My phone's original battery has run out at anywhere between 0 and 30%... it tends to go for a couple of days if I don't use the phone much. I've tried recalibration and it doesn't really help. I thought that was bad, but I just bought a backup battery and it's even worse... yesterday it went from 100 to 50% over half a day on standby, then I used it for about ten minutes and it just went off! At 50%!
I was only expecting rubbish life from the cheap battery but at least report the charge properly so I have a chance! Old phones could always do it... why can't one that cost hundreds of pounds when it was new?
I take it there's nothing you can really do?
Please help i have bought Extended Battery 2400mAh for my HD2 but the battery is discharging same as with normal battery, the strange thing is that when i restart phone after discharging to 0% it says 66% battery again. After that i discharge again to 0% restart and again 53 but these 53 discharge very quickly.
Is there something im doing wrong?
these numbers are from WINMO or Android?...which version/ROM of WINMO?/Android?
Its from WinMo
its Artemis v42/Radio 2.15
Same Problem - suggestion ...
jirka607 said:
Its from WinMo
its Artemis v42/Radio 2.15
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hello,
I also use a HD2 now with even a 3400 maH-battery. Also I had to notice that discharge is with this battery the same as with 1230 maH-battery.
First: thank you for your tip, I now will try also to restart my HD2 before re-charging.
Second: this phenomena means at my knowledge that battery-controler has problems with recognition of used battery: so I think that HD2 thinks having still a 1230 maH-battery, even if a 3400 maH-battery is used with it.
This could be then in my eyes a software-problem (would be solvable) - or, in worst case, a hardware-problem, meaning, that battery-controler of HD2 is unable to recognize batteries stronger than 1230 maH-capacity.
If you get more knowledge about that, I would be glad if you could tell me.
Thank you very much for proceeding,
inuli
There is one tip try it :
Discharge battery till phone turn itself off than take out battery for 1minute
Put the battery back
Start the phone
discharge again till switch off
again 1 minute out
repeat till phone turn itsellf even when booting Winmo
Take battery again for 1minute out
put back batt and charge with phone turned off
when charged take battery out for 1 minute again
put battery back and start up the phone
i had this problem with my extended battery. I was curious so i opened it up and found it was two batteries stuck together.
pics here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=815231&highlight=extended+battery
I bought the official 2300mah extended battery with kickstand after reading problems with 3rd party extended batteries and the poor quality of back cover. I bought the official htc from ecell on eBay for £25.95 delivered - no problems. Somtimes it's worth paying the little extra for quality and the difference in price is not that big instead of wasting £10-15 on these 3rd party batteries...
Well maybe i will buy the official sometime but this one was fr 13USD so its bad luck but i can live with that restarting charge
it better to buy a oficial htc batery like i have one .with havy using its last about 40 h . so dont bay fake bateries.
But maybe i know how to fix it some one here at XDA talk ed about wiping battery stats maybe it will help
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=827355
Here it is
I went into the T-Mobile store and asked the guys about the extended battery the other day and here's what the guy told me. The HTC official extended battery is basically two batteries in one package, just as jjbdoggg mentioned. When the charge runs out, if you power back up you'll have access to the 2nd battery. The thing is, they don't really instruct you on how to properly charge the extended battery.
When you first buy any cell phone battery, you want to charge it 100% before using it, some even say to charge it two to four hours over 100%. With the extended battery, you have to do this twice, first on the initial charge, then again on the second battery. Otherwise you will run into discharge issues like you've mentioned where the battery will drain faster than normal. I believe this is because the batteries have charge memory built in, but I'm not positive.
Anyway, make sure that if you do end up buying one of these batteries, HTC official or not, (I bought a $15.00USD one and it works just the same, just no kick stand... but it does have a nicer battery cover.) you need to charge both batteries like this:
1.) Charge 100% + 2-4 hours more if possible
2.) Drain battery completely to switch over to second battery
3.) Charge second battery 100% + 2-4 hours more if possible
4.) Drain battery completely
5.) Repeat steps 1-4 once more and your battery should function as expected
wafflefaust said:
1.) Charge 100% + 2-4 hours more if possible
2.) Drain battery completely to switch over to second battery
3.) Charge second battery 100% + 2-4 hours more if possible
4.) Drain battery completely
5.) Repeat steps 1-4 once more and your battery should function as expected
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thank you i will do it properly
get the original extended battery. also the 2300mah battery from the company "leicke" is working for me. i had a cheap 2400mah chinese battery before and had the same problem.
the thing is, that these chinese batterys are faking, they are normal ones because the driver of the hd2 origininally didnt support bigger batterys in the first roms.
the chinese batterys are out of date and also the capacity is mostly a giant fake!
my battery did cost 21 euro incl shipping and is working correctly.
dont try to fix the problem with hints and tricks or calibrations, it will NOT work with the cheap batterys! i already tested it
Well thats mazbe true but i have mz from china for 13USD i have calibrated it and now it stay 2 days then i pull out and put back the battery and i have another 1,5 day
What I suggested is not a trick, this is just how the manufacturers recommend you charge your batteries. If you don't want to follow instruction and do your own thing fine, but it sounds like jirka has solved his problem.
wafflefaust said:
I went into the T-Mobile store and asked the guys about the extended battery the other day and here's what the guy told me. The HTC official extended battery is basically two batteries in one package, just as jjbdoggg mentioned. When the charge runs out, if you power back up you'll have access to the 2nd battery. The thing is, they don't really instruct you on how to properly charge the extended battery.
When you first buy any cell phone battery, you want to charge it 100% before using it, some even say to charge it two to four hours over 100%. With the extended battery, you have to do this twice, first on the initial charge, then again on the second battery. Otherwise you will run into discharge issues like you've mentioned where the battery will drain faster than normal. I believe this is because the batteries have charge memory built in, but I'm not positive.
Anyway, make sure that if you do end up buying one of these batteries, HTC official or not, (I bought a $15.00USD one and it works just the same, just no kick stand... but it does have a nicer battery cover.) you need to charge both batteries like this:
1.) Charge 100% + 2-4 hours more if possible
2.) Drain battery completely to switch over to second battery
3.) Charge second battery 100% + 2-4 hours more if possible
4.) Drain battery completely
5.) Repeat steps 1-4 once more and your battery should function as expected
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There is no second battery, it is a single battery with 2 cells, soldered together in parallel giving the higher capacity.
If your phone's charging firmware is not compatible then you need to update your ROM.
What you are doing with the above is charging the battery to 50% and then charging it to 100%
xaccers said:
There is no second battery, it is a single battery with 2 cells, soldered together in parallel giving the higher capacity.
If your phone's charging firmware is not compatible then you need to update your ROM.
What you are doing with the above is charging the battery to 50% and then charging it to 100%
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Do you own one of these or something? Because it doesn't sound like you have ever used one...
Yeah wafflefaust Thank you very much i have propperly charged it and its as i told up to 2 days on first part and 1-1.5day on 2nd part so Thank You
wafflefaust said:
Do you own one of these or something? Because it doesn't sound like you have ever used one...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes I do own one.
I've also been making my own custom lithium batteries out of individual cells for over 5 years, I know battery technology.
I'm not sure if you've ever used the specific batteries we're talking about however. They do ACT like two separate batteries, but are packaged as one "extended" battery. When one runs out, you can usually pull the battery for about 5-10 seconds and when you put it back in, voila 100% battery left... (that is if you know how to properly charge a battery...)
Maybe you've figured out some sort of magic trick to make these batteries drain in parallel or serial? But the way it stands, the battery that I have does not act like you're suggesting.