Does anyone have the problem when you type on the keyboard normal speed, some letters dont appear and you have to go back and retype those letters? Its kinda fustrating and seems to be a software issue.
Yes, I think a few people have this, me included. It happens with double letters.
I'm not convinced it's a software problem, I've been trying to get a replacement but HTC is not very cooperative.
It is highly annoying. But I think I'm more annoyed with HTC than with the phone itself.
Btw, you might want to try turning Autocomplete off (the dictionary slows things down). Also:
Start -> Settings -> Buttons -> Up/Down Control
If you put the delay to minimum, it seems to make things better.
so not every unit has this problem even though using the same rom?
Yes it could be limited to some units that fall within a certain range of serial numbers. But I'm just guessing, I'm no expert
You tried this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=342886&highlight=key+repeat
Yes, if you look at the second post I have
Well it is isn't it? I've been making allowances for the fact that with pretty much everything I try and get my Kaiser to do I start off using my fingers, then get the stylus out and finally resort to sliding out the keyboard. For example, I want to write an SMS, so I press the HTC Action app with the left soft key and press the screen for New SMS, so far so good. But then I want to enter a recipient; no-can-do with the tiny itsy bitsy HTC keyboard, so out comes the stylus, now all's well and good if you're sitting at home but if you're in a train or something forget it, the hardware keyboard is the only way. Now I know other touch keyboards are available but those that I've tried are still fiddly and coupled with the unpredictability of the screen itself, are not up to the job. About that unpredictability, the final straw came for me when a woman in a car park asked me if I'd be kind enough to dial her number because she'd lost her phone somewhere in the car and wanted to check it was there and not in the supermarket. It was a bright sunny day so the first problem I had was that I could hardly see the numbers on the screen, but after cupping one hand round it to shade it I could just about make them out. So she reeled off her number and I attempted to dial, it took three slow attempts, what with the latency and all, before I managed to enter it correctly, at one point it interpreted a 2 as an 8, a 5 I could forgive but an 8? There was no way my thumb was anywhere near the 8. Also, just entering the initial pin number on startup can be a struggle, sometimes the key I've pressed lights up, so I know the kaiser's recognised it, but the * to show the number is entered doesn't show up. Other times the * appears but the key doesn't light up. Sometimes I get two * instead of one. If I'd have had a bog standard hardware keypad then I'd have had the number in first time, in seconds. So anyway, at the risk of being a luddite it seem to me that touchscreens are very pretty and clever and all, but you can't beat hardware buttons for speed and accuracy.
You know - until I got your message I was happy with my tilt - but you have convinced me - You are right!
When I open a word document that is 207 pages long the keyboard on screen covers up a lot of what I can see. An an EXCEL spreadsheet - forget it - when there are over 100 rows and more than 40 columns - you can't see anything hardly.
And when you go to print - well - 'nuff siad there right?
And logging on to a remote computer - well - good grief - I am gonna send this piece of trash right back immediately. Only the iphone for me -man - with that HUGE screen I can see - well- not really much more - maybe if I did all this stuff on my computer I would be happier?
Bill
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Well it is isn't it? I've been making allowances for the fact that with pretty much everything I try and get my Kaiser to do I start off using my fingers, then get the stylus out and finally resort to sliding out the keyboard. For example, I want to write an SMS, so I press the HTC Action app with the left soft key and press the screen for New SMS, so far so good. But then I want to enter a recipient; no-can-do with the tiny itsy bitsy HTC keyboard, so out comes the stylus, now all's well and good if you're sitting at home but if you're in a train or something forget it, the hardware keyboard is the only way. Now I know other touch keyboards are available but those that I've tried are still fiddly and coupled with the unpredictability of the screen itself, are not up to the job. About that unpredictability, the final straw came for me when a woman in a car park asked me if I'd be kind enough to dial her number because she'd lost her phone somewhere in the car and wanted to check it was there and not in the supermarket. It was a bright sunny day so the first problem I had was that I could hardly see the numbers on the screen, but after cupping one hand round it to shade it I could just about make them out. So she reeled off her number and I attempted to dial, it took three slow attempts, what with the latency and all, before I managed to enter it correctly, at one point it interpreted a 2 as an 8, a 5 I could forgive but an 8? There was no way my thumb was anywhere near the 8. Also, just entering the initial pin number on startup can be a struggle, sometimes the key I've pressed lights up, so I know the kaiser's recognised it, but the * to show the number is entered doesn't show up. Other times the * appears but the key doesn't light up. Sometimes I get two * instead of one. If I'd have had a bog standard hardware keypad then I'd have had the number in first time, in seconds. So anyway, at the risk of being a luddite it seem to me that touchscreens are very pretty and clever and all, but you can't beat hardware buttons for speed and accuracy.
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I hardly ever use the stylus, so I'd have to disagree. The touchpad works fairly well for me and I have very large hands. To each his own.
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Well it is isn't it? I've been making allowances for the fact that with pretty much everything I try and get my Kaiser to do I start off using my fingers, then get the stylus out and finally resort to sliding out the keyboard. For example, I want to write an SMS, so I press the HTC Action app with the left soft key and press the screen for New SMS, so far so good. But then I want to enter a recipient; no-can-do with the tiny itsy bitsy HTC keyboard, so out comes the stylus, now all's well and good if you're sitting at home but if you're in a train or something forget it, the hardware keyboard is the only way. Now I know other touch keyboards are available but those that I've tried are still fiddly and coupled with the unpredictability of the screen itself, are not up to the job. About that unpredictability, the final straw came for me when a woman in a car park asked me if I'd be kind enough to dial her number because she'd lost her phone somewhere in the car and wanted to check it was there and not in the supermarket. It was a bright sunny day so the first problem I had was that I could hardly see the numbers on the screen, but after cupping one hand round it to shade it I could just about make them out. So she reeled off her number and I attempted to dial, it took three slow attempts, what with the latency and all, before I managed to enter it correctly, at one point it interpreted a 2 as an 8, a 5 I could forgive but an 8? There was no way my thumb was anywhere near the 8. Also, just entering the initial pin number on startup can be a struggle, sometimes the key I've pressed lights up, so I know the kaiser's recognised it, but the * to show the number is entered doesn't show up. Other times the * appears but the key doesn't light up. Sometimes I get two * instead of one. If I'd have had a bog standard hardware keypad then I'd have had the number in first time, in seconds. So anyway, at the risk of being a luddite it seem to me that touchscreens are very pretty and clever and all, but you can't beat hardware buttons for speed and accuracy.
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I'm sorry, I've been seeing more and more of these big blocks of text. And I'm not reading them.
Not to sound offensive but if you don't break up what you are saying into palatable paragraphs some people will figure it is too much work to read what you have to say.
BTW I think my touch screen works just fine. Though I'm not sure if thats what you are getting at becasue I only read the last sentance.
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I'm sorry, I've been seeing more and more of these big blocks of text. And I'm not reading them.
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+1 Jimmy
The return key is your friend.
JimmyMcGee said:
I'm sorry, I've been seeing more and more of these big blocks of text. And I'm not reading them.
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At least this one is using punctuation... that's progress.
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I'm sorry
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Apology accepted!
look9001 said:
Well it is isn't it?
I've been making allowances for the fact that with pretty much everything I try and get my Kaiser to do I start off using my fingers, then get the stylus out and finally resort to sliding out the keyboard.
For example, I want to write an SMS, so I press the HTC Action app with the left soft key and press the screen for New SMS, so far so good. But then I want to enter a recipient; no-can-do with the tiny itsy bitsy HTC keyboard, so out comes the stylus, now all's well and good if you're sitting at home but if you're in a train or something forget it, the hardware keyboard is the only way.
Now I know other touch keyboards are available but those that I've tried are still fiddly and coupled with the unpredictability of the screen itself, are not up to the job. About that unpredictability, the final straw came for me when a woman in a car park asked me if I'd be kind enough to dial her number because she'd lost her phone somewhere in the car and wanted to check it was there and not in the supermarket.
It was a bright sunny day so the first problem I had was that I could hardly see the numbers on the screen, but after cupping one hand round it to shade it I could just about make them out. So she reeled off her number and I attempted to dial, it took three slow attempts, what with the latency and all, before I managed to enter it correctly, at one point it interpreted a 2 as an 8, a 5 I could forgive but an 8? There was no way my thumb was anywhere near the 8. Also, just entering the initial pin number on startup can be a struggle, sometimes the key I've pressed lights up, so I know the kaiser's recognised it, but the * to show the number is entered doesn't show up. Other times the * appears but the key doesn't light up. Sometimes I get two * instead of one. If I'd have had a bog standard hardware keypad then I'd have had the number in first time, in seconds.
So anyway, at the risk of being a luddite it seem to me that touchscreens are very pretty and clever and all, but you can't beat hardware buttons for speed and accuracy.
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Better?
michalex said:
I hardly ever use the stylus, so I'd have to disagree. The touchpad works fairly well for me and I have very large hands. To each his own.
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Of course YMMV and IMHO etc. But really, can you honestly type in numbers accurately at faster than approximately one per second on the touch screen?
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Apology accepted!
Better?
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You need to tab when beginning a new papgraph. Sorry I couldn't resist
However i find the touchscreen very user friendly, but that is in my opinion and the wat i use it. I use excel all the time.
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Much
Also, If my Kaiser PDA phone didn't have a touchscreen, than it would be a smartphone.
The fact they original keyboard is terribly small it's true, that's why we have the hardware keyboard, I mean, why buy a Kaiser if you're not gonna use the keyboard? There's plenty other good SIPs like pocketcm, touchpal or even the HTC Touch keypad, which, with xt9 is awesome tbh.
The pin "part" is ofc true, but if you have programs loading at the boot, how can you expect to do it all at once, just wait 10 more seconds for the programs to load and then the pin can be entered.
The sunlight in the screen is indeed a big damn flaw, I can perfectly see my n80 at the sun, but the Kaiser is impossible to read, sometimes I can't even tell if the screen is on or off, cuz you just can't see a thing.
As for the screen "response", well mine works well, I play and type fairly much and I rarely have problems with it, I suggest messing with the "pressure threshold" settings, maybe you have it too high.
I believe I nearly went blind trying to read that rant. He does have a point, but the problems are a bit exagerated.
Why does this type of thread constantly come up? If you don't like the phone, return it, sell it or throw it away and buy one you like. This type of thread has nothing to do with XDA-Developers. Notice the word Developers in the name? Has this thread provided any useful information or has it just added to the mass of useless threads?
i like my touch screen and everything else about my tilt. Now where r those video drivers... (couldn't resist as this is the only flaw imo)
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Of course YMMV and IMHO etc. But really, can you honestly type in numbers accurately at faster than approximately one per second on the touch screen?
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Yes, for the most part I can.
Are you sure that chick at the supermarket lost her phone? Or was she discreetly giving you her phone number and you couldn't type it in? So much for a phone hampering your game.
Man the Kaiser forums are way more fun than the Polaris ones.
To be fair the Kaiser was not designed from the ground up to be finger friendly. Yeah they lack capacitive screens, but I didn't find the Hermes all that bad, neither is the Cruise. The Cruise is a bit better because it's flush, so touching the edges of the screen is much better.
I have no problems with my Touch Screen. With a few tweeks I have got it to a level that works well.
Id like to make a example. Its called consumer research. For instance, when you go to AT&T and are interested in purchasing a Cell Phone, What do you do? Well I for instance, use the product and see if I like it. Now when you go to AT&T you wouldn't just say give me a tilt because it looks cool, at least I would hope not. You use it, take it home and you have 30 days to return it.
There is really no reason why a thread like this should even exist. The kaiser/tilt is a very unique device. I could go on for 10 hours about it. To me the video driver situation is not a problem, i would however like it to respond quicker but I have become used to it, as i don't watch video on it. But this thread is about the touch screen, so out of respect to the originator of this thread ill stay on topic.
Hopefully all of you by now realize the difference between a Resistance and capacitance touch screen, to simplify the Iphone is capacitance the kaiser is a resistance. A resistive has a bunch of resistors under the screen and when pressure is applied the specific area the resistor shorts out making the screen realize the area of the screen to respond to. A capacitance touch screen responds to the biometrics (the electric current we all have in our bodies) so as you run your finger over one of these screens it follows, and is more accurate than a resistance screen.
So when you are at any local wireless store and try the difference between the two devices. Furthermore if your so unhappy with the device that you so decided to purchase then sell it, there is no reason to spend a bunch of money on a device that you are not happy with. I also believe (and again no disrespect to the author of this thread) many people that complain right off the bat about the GUI or the overall performance of this or any other device, is just jumping on a "bandwagon" without knowing all the technical details.
So if your unhappy, you have two options.
1. Keep the device and, tweak it, customize it and make it uniquely yours. and by doing so complimenting the "seniors" and "chiefs" for working so hard to DEVELOP the software to make it better.
2. Return it or sell it and do RESEARCH and buy a device/phone that you are happy with.
P.S. Many people work very hard here creating software to help you, the user. Post's like this can be very disrespectfull to the people that help you.
^^^ touche, i'm sick of reading "my kaiser suxx omg !!one" threads, enough with the *****ing already.
While we all appreciate that the OP is entitled to his own opinions, it's clear to me that the premise of this thread is not going to lead the forum anywhere except to yet another *****fest, which will eventually lead to closing this thread.
Why wait till then...
Loving the Diamond... but big issues have come up and they are starting to make it difficult to really use the device. I am trying to determine if the issues I am having are brought on by myself or if the issues are related to some challenge with the phone or my carrier.
"What's the issue," you ask?
The Diamond will not pick up a call. The phone will ring, the caller display will come up, I'll try and pick it up by either pushing the onscreen command or pick it up via the pick-up button... nothing. The call rings through to voicemail. Meanwhile I have to call the person back who just called me. Massively irritating and even more irritating it's does actually pick up SOMETIMES. The problem is I cannot determine why it works sometimes and why it does not. 90% of the time it does not work. When I do get it to work all I need to do is activate my bluetooth headset and then turn it back off and we are back in the same situation where the phone will not answer, however, this time... the phone does not RING either! Yes that's right - all sounds go bye bye on the phone when I activate BT and then turn it off. Also, I cannot pick up the phone with bluetooth headset. I can hear the phone ring through and everything looks dandy but no go! Push the pick-up button - nothing. This isn't such a big deal really - I mean - who cares if it picks up on the BT headset - I just want to be able to answer a call in general!
Now - I do have a lot of applications on the machine from a modifcation perspective and I am thinking this could all very well be my fault. I have Advance Config, Diamond TF3D config, and Diamond Tweak all loaded (each have their own benefit.)
Strange thing is... I just did a test and the phone picks up JUST FINE. I'm about ready to pull my hair out. It's really hard to put my finger on it. Tried it a second time, if I try to answer with the soft key it won't work but the hard key will work. Now the hard key will not actually hang up the call - I have to use the softkey to hang it up. I don't know if anyone is having the same issues but I am to the point of hard-reset to start from scratch.
I actually had the "can't pick up" problem just yesterday, but with my Prophet. Using Pdaviet's MyVista 6.1 Rom and S2U2. The phone rang, S2U2 displaying the full screen call notification, no chance of picking up the call.
Do you also use S2U2?
When you find your self in a hole, it usually helps if you stop digging.
Unpalatable as it might seem, I think with hassles like you've got, a HR is probably your best option.
ps, just a thought, have you at any stage in your tweaking done any button or key re-mapping... either inadvertently or by design? Maybe worth a check before giving up
wow, that's a whole load of issues
I've had my Diamond for about a week now..... and have had none of those issues..... Bluetooth works fine, picking up is a breeze....
what provider are you with?
I remember reading more complaints about sound going bye after Bluetooth use in the early days of the Diamond. Try searching around a bit and see if you can find something. However, seeing your other issues, a hard-reset might not be out of place.
Also, for aesthetics, do note that it is usually considered bad practice to place two identical symbols after each other when masking cursewords with random characters.
Also, for aesthetics, do note that it is usually considered bad practice to place two identical symbols after each other when masking cursewords with random characters.
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By far probably the best advise yet!
The emotional side... aka incredible hulk... came out and punched shift/keyboard number row (pounded rather.) I was thinking in my head, "smash Diamond" and the KB had to take the abuse.
Carrier information for those who asked.
CDMA Diamond on the lovely Telus system (aka - Tel-us, we take your money)
As with all troubleshooting, you need to start from beginning. When you first got the phone, it could answer call. Right? So you need to trace back to what have you done to the phone step by step and to find out when it starts to fail.
Doh... Well I reset the device... seems to work now but something that seemed to be working before was my Zune subscription music from Zune Pass was synching to my mobile device via a Synch Center setup. I was amazed it was actually working... now it's not working So - I get calling back and lose the little trick that was working - Zune Pass DRM music synching with my Diamond... you win some and you lose some I guess doh.
jessiethe3rd said:
Loving the Diamond... but big issues have come up and they are starting to ma...my carrier.
"What's the issue," you ask?........... The call rings through to voicemail. Meanwhile I have to call the person back ............who just called me. Massively irritating and ev............... to hang it up. I don't know if anyone is having the same issues but I am to......... the point of hard-reset to start from scrat.........ch.
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You should do some research and some reading.
And relax a little before you Fire up and disrupt a Community in peace.
I have the same thing going on now... same programs installed as you.
Is it still working after a hard reset? Did you re-install all the same programs?
Well, I'm on a Telus Diamond, and had the no answer problem, and solved it with a hard reset.. just try it, it doesn't take too much to get everything back to the way you had everything..
I have been running a older version of Dutty's Kaiser ROM for some time with great results, however, I have noticed that my hardware keyboard is slower than it should be. I can press a button and either get no response or two characters typed. Anyone else experience this and know what causes it?
thanks ahead of time,
Levi
Use Disable T9 cab
I also had more performance with different radios and spls
There is a recen thread on this
do you know where the recent thread is? or where the disable T9 cab is located? i did a forum search but turned up too many hits and after reading the first page of hits i gave up.
The problem has escalated!
you know I tried that disable T9/XT9 cabs and tricks, but they didn't help. I investigated further as to why my hardware keyboard doesn't respond correctly. I think that I have found that is is strictly a hardware related issue. Only a few of the buttons on my device have this problem, and their not really slow, they just don't type each every time I press them. I also found that the harder I pressed those problem buttons, the more likely it was to actually type them. I might end up trying another ROM and hard resetting the device but if not, I may try taking the device apart and cleaning the keyboard, I suppose I have just typed it to death! If all else fails unless anyone else has suggestions, time for a new phone. Anyone else have this problem with the Kaiser, and another thing. Have a kaiser?, look at the front of it and inspect the shiny button cluster. Does your button cluster move about the opening sort of loosely jiggling around? hmmm........ mine does!
Levi
this is a known issue with alot of ROMs that are made from the AT&T OEM rom.
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you know I tried that disable T9/XT9 cabs and tricks, but they didn't help. I investigated further as to why my hardware keyboard doesn't respond correctly. I think that I have found that is is strictly a hardware related issue. Only a few of the buttons on my device have this problem, and their not really slow, they just don't type each every time I press them. I also found that the harder I pressed those problem buttons, the more likely it was to actually type them. I might end up trying another ROM and hard resetting the device but if not, I may try taking the device apart and cleaning the keyboard, I suppose I have just typed it to death! If all else fails unless anyone else has suggestions, time for a new phone. Anyone else have this problem with the Kaiser, and another thing. Have a kaiser?, look at the front of it and inspect the shiny button cluster. Does your button cluster move about the opening sort of loosely jiggling around? hmmm........ mine does!
Levi
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I second both observations.
On my keyboard, it's the R and H buttons that are unresponsive. As to the shiny button cluster, mine moves too. But not as much as my friend's TYTN II does.
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I second both observations.
On my keyboard, it's the R and H buttons that are unresponsive. As to the shiny button cluster, mine moves too. But not as much as my friend's TYTN II does.
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You may want to check your key repeat speed and delays in settings->buttons. I had mine set to lowest delay and highest speed. I tried to double the delay, and reduce the speed to less than half. My keys seems to work a little better now (but i've just been testing for a few minutes).
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my hardware buttons jiggle around a lot. they still work fine, but yes I believe they are just jiggly by poor deisgn.
I've been running hyper dragon III on my tilt for the past few years. A couple of days ago my tilt started acting flakey, pulling up sms, email, contact lists, and dialing random numbers ,44924444466634444.......repeating like a stuck key. I reset but to not avail. I took out the battery and reset again, no luck. I figured it was time to replace my venerable hyper dragon with a shiny new Rom. I chose a clean wm6.5 Rom, ahmedfikry wm6.5 23569 Tilt 3D UC light Rom V2 . It seemed to work... at first. I was excited with the speed, the response, of this new interface and smugly back patting myself ... when the buggy behavior returned; hmm, I thought, a bad flash?, so I went back to the wiki, reformatted SD card, reset, rebooted... no joy! It can't be viral...can it, or worse some malignant kaiser killer cancer; can it? Insights, ideas, recommendations? Please be kind, I'm very vulnerable right now....
UPS just delivered my brand new seidio extended tilt battery! It came a day early, oh joy! Murphy strikes again... : )
if it is starting programs that are linked DIRECTLY to hardware buttons, i would suspect your kaiser's buttons or the cables from the buttons have gone faulty (hardware problem).
everything you say seems to point to things that are linked with buttons...there is a button for sms/email, all the numbers have buttons (on the keyboard) and even the contact list is sometimes mapped to one of the soft keys on some screens (e.g. the "All Contacts" button on the contacts page of manila).
so perhaps your buttons are the problem...they might be "sticking" or a cable or set of cables might have come loose or they might have cracked.
the only other possibility i can think of is that your screen protector might need changing. even worse, your touch screen may have gone faulty (hardware problem). you can try realigning the screen but i doubt that will help if the issue is sporadic.
finally, you might want to see if something physical triggers the issue. maybe holding it your left hand upside down? maybe slide open the top? or maybe more frequent when the keyboard is hidden? or try to apply pressure near the buttons or near the frame of the screen to see if that makes the issues more frequent?
good luck!
ASCIIker thanks for your insightful reply.
I fear you to be correct. I did not think to correlate the type of programs and their use of hardware buttons. I did however disassemble my sick little baby last night after posting. I went looking for pocket gunk or loose connections. I had replaced the LCD about a year ago and while it work fine after that, a loose screw wasn't impossible. Too my never ending surprise it booted up upon reassembly, but to my disappointment it began to exhibit the same freaky symptoms. I decided to do a Rom flash, but now was unable to get to my tricolor screen! After about 20 attempts, I gave up turned it off and put in my new battery. A long charge later, I turned it on to drain and train the battery expecting it to resume its schizoid activity...but no! I find a lovely 6.5 win-mo screen an a well behaved phone. I'm determined to solve this conundrum. I would like to say it was the principle of the thing, but really I'm driven by my ocd nature reinforced by cheapo habits. ASCIIker, do you think if I disconnect the 'd pad' connector I might be able to confirm your hypo? I sure I can get it to repeat its bad behavior if just spend some time reloading and setting preferences. Once I get it perfect its sure to fritz out! Either way thanks again.