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Please please recompile stuff for the new processor, ask Qualcomm for sdk / libraries, do something, damn it !
I have a PDA i use in my car only for GPS nav (MIO P350 - 400MHz Samsung) and it plays movies better, not only speed (benchmark on same movie 172% vs 142% on the Kaiser with the EXACT same settings) but also less tearing in landscape mode. Oh, and the price was 3 times lower (i know, i know, GSM, hardware keyboard, etc, etc. but the Kaiser is supposed to be THE BEST THING EVER, with a new generation processor... crap)
Again, please release a new ROM that does justice to the processor, or stop marketing crap...
You do have a choice to buy other brands... ??
I personally find the Kaiser great just about any way. Yes there are components that could have been better. There's no doubt about it. But to call HTC product crap? That's just too much.
All i'm saying is that the processor has a lot more to offer, and on paper it's great, but the way HTC released the Kaiser it's like buying a super-computer, the best on the market, and you run things on it without drivers (you know how Windows runs / looks without video drivers)
I'm sure it will get better over time while they work out the kinks. The Danish version was released without World Card Mobile, but they are aware of that and will post an update on the eclub forum when its ready.
I'm quite satisfied with my TyTN II.
I'm coming back to this: The DirectDraw samples coming with Windows Mobile SDK don't even work !!! What are you smoking, HTC ? Give us proper drivers !
About the "crap" earlier: the "product" is crap, the parts it contains are some good, some very good and some(software) crap.
In this case the weakest link kinda ruins it for me...
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I'm coming back to this: The DirectDraw samples coming with Windows Mobile SDK don't even work !!! What are you smoking, HTC ? Give us proper drivers !
About the "crap" earlier: the "product" is crap, the parts it contains are some good, some very good and some(software) crap.
In this case the weakest link kinda ruins it for me...
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Then get rid of it. I am sure you can sell it on eBay for what you paid for it. I think it's the best thing on the market right now
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I'm coming back to this: The DirectDraw samples coming with Windows Mobile SDK don't even work !!! What are you smoking, HTC ? Give us proper drivers !
About the "crap" earlier: the "product" is crap, the parts it contains are some good, some very good and some(software) crap.
In this case the weakest link kinda ruins it for me...
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I agree with you. It seems my Wizard OMAP 850(overclocked to 247) plays my 384kbps .wmv files better than my Kaiser... Shame. If by "tearing" you mean that the top half and bottom half of the vids skew sometimes when playing I also get that. Although I am not a expert I would say that the proc seems like it could be better optimized. Hopefully this will come about in future ROM upgrades. You can't blame HTC for wanting to capitalize on this. I mean people DID buy the crap out of it. They just better not leave us hanging. I hear the iMate Ultimates with the 500mhz proc fly.
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I agree with you. It seems my Wizard OMAP 850(overclocked to 247) plays my 384kbps .wmv files better than my Kaiser... Shame. If by "tearing" you mean that the top half and bottom half of the vids skew sometimes when playing I also get that. Although I am not a expert I would say that the proc seems like it could be better optimized. Hopefully this will come about in future ROM upgrades. You can't blame HTC for wanting to capitalize on this. I mean people DID buy the crap out of it. They just better not leave us hanging. I hear the iMate Ultimates with the 500mhz proc fly.
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Finally, someone who used windows mobile devices before and knows what it's all about.
About selling: like i said, it's like buying a good computer but not having good drivers for the hardware... why sell a good piece of hardware ? Ask the vendor for good drivers !
been using pda's for years inc original ce versions, and couldnt disagree with you more.
this device is awesome!
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been using pda's for years inc original ce versions, and couldnt disagree with you more.
this device is awesome!
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I agree, by now these devices should be easily able to outperform lesser devices. However, HTC hasn't done many tweaks to the underlying OS to make it a better user experience besides adding touchflo. Look at how well and fast the Treo 750 or 700wx run and all of the user enhancements.
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been using pda's for years inc original ce versions, and couldnt disagree with you more.
this device is awesome!
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At playing videos? I tend to agree with the OP... the drivers clearly aren't optimized for the hardware at this point. Given the specs, it should play videos better than pervious products, not worse.
the video part actually refers to direct draw mode, because there's nothing HTC can do about the other modes, it's raw processor power
my problem is with the system in general, i can see drawing when scrolling in program folder, which is using GDI, which is not optimized. I also see tearing (it's not VSync-ed).
Aaaand.... the cherry on top: i'm a programmer and this device doesn't support directdraw so good (ok, it's slow, i get it, but at least let me use it with back buffer...)
He called the MARKETING crap.
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.... But to call HTC product crap? That's just too much.
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Ahaa, someone else noticed that the software sucks : Qualcomm claims thier chip has hardware DirectX support, but our Kaiser doesn't:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=339745
btw: i'm not sure if Qualcomm lies or HTC is lazy, but something is really wrong here
HTC or Qualcomm or ATT or whoever should really address this. Watching .wmv(Microsoft's own codec for crying out loud) files is horrible. Horrible I say! I've tried it on 3 different Tilts. And for anyone to say it's not doesn't know what their talking about. Or has REALLY low expectations.
It's totally like the OP said. It needs video drivers...
Has anyone tried other codecs with TCPMP? Curious if it's any better. Unfortunately I've got GIG's of .wmv files...
The Kaiser came out right after I bought my Wing. I would have bought the Kaiser -- seems like an awesome phone, but now I'm going to get some mileage out of my Wing.
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Has anyone tried other codecs with TCPMP? Curious if it's any better. Unfortunately I've got GIG's of .wmv files...
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I have tried .mp4s with Core Player, and with some tweaking, they play fairly smoothly, but I agree -- .WMV is frustratingly bad. I came from a Samsung i730, which handled all codecs encoded up to (and sometimes beyond) 700kbps with no problem.
I also seem to think the video recording on the camera side is suffering from these bad "drivers". I did a comparison and my TyTnI video is WAY less burry. Way less...
Shame. HTC you should really be ashamed. Or at least get to fixing it and release a proper ROM. Or is video not important?
Sold my hermes for this
It hasnt made a huge Difference accept 50 to 60 mb prog memory. camera is horrible like o2 IIi
Video slow
Well before I had Imate JAsjam thatone played wmv and other video files without a hitch, Comparing the speed to the Kaiser the looks like a device
from the early 90's
is possible use flo3d in not htc phone??
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is possible use flo3d in not htc phone??
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no, not right now, but if you would have used the search button, you would have found your answer.
You can as I did on my 9502 but its super slow because of the lack of video drivers on other qualcomm phones. Once the proper video drivers are released, I have no doubt that the touch flo 3D will work on my 9502. Thats IF the video drivers are ever released!
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You can as I did on my 9502 but its super slow because of the lack of video drivers on other qualcomm phones. Once the proper video drivers are released, I have no doubt that the touch flo 3D will work on my 9502. Thats IF the video drivers are ever released!
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could you post a video of this?
It is so damn slow it would look like a slide show. I was getting no more than 1 fps. There was a link somewhere in the xda forums that had the 2 .dll files required to make it start up and when you run it you will see the home screen with the clock but it runs WAAAAYYY to slow. I think I placed the .dll files in the same folder as the manilla (touchflo3d) folder.
A couple of weeks ago, I returned my Touch HD to get an iPhone instead, but not before I sent a complaint to HTC's customer support about my disappointment in the device's performance. Today I received the following response:
Dear Mr. XXX I would just like to inform you that a new rom update will be available in the future for the Touch HD (1.19). On the new ROM, multimedia features have drastically been improved. Videoclips and films runs smoothly without any lag. I have gotten this feedback from devices that are using the new rom. We are yet to release when the ROM will be available for download. Kind Regards XXX HTC Europe
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I'm sorry if this has been brought up before, but I did a search for 1.19 and got no results, so I figured it was worth posting. Is this news at all? Anyway, I'm sending a response asking what formats "Videoclips and films" refer to.
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This is interesting news. But "videoclips and films" could mean a lot of things -- what containers and formats have had their playback improved or, as you say, run smoothly in the new firmware? Does the media player that ship with the device now support playback of the common divx and xvid formats? Or has support for third-party multimedia software like for example CorePlayer improved? What of the performance of the many 3d accelerated games I've found barely playable on the device?
Thank you kindly for your continued interest in my case.
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Thank you for your reply. I did play a film in fullscreen myself without lag, however this was indeed on a third party player (that you also have mentioned about). Right now, I don't have any further information to give you regarding file formats, codecs etc. I would however recommend you to search online for something like: "Video Playback SDcard Tune up". I'm sure you will find a useful article about video formats etc. HTC does not support or endorse third party software or links, therefore HTC will not supply with recommendations of useful third party solutions. I will get back to you if I get more information regarding 3D acceleration and future updated. Kind Regards XXX HTC Europe
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Guess not much has been conirmed. Don't know if there's any point to keep pushing. Let's hope he updates me about the 3d acceleration though
good news, but I'm a bit suspecious
I think there comes new ROM because Qualcomm bought that AMD section which owned rights for that 3D graphic chip which Qualcomm didnt have rights to use before now.
So I think they ATLAST make proper 3D driver and HW acceleration.
if you could be right, that would be just awesome !
hmmm ... maybe is the WWE_1.19.831.0 that some cookers use??
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hmmm ... maybe is the WWE_1.19.831.0 that some cookers use??
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My Touch HD bought in HK already shipped with 1.19 ROM (CSL) but i didn't found there is any special comparing with my old XPERIA X1.
Yeah this Hongkong-English Rom is already a month published and maybe there will spread a newer version. I would be happy, if there improve some things, like Video Playing, atm i have so 20 fps in average in a divx film, which is still already ok, but for the human eye 25fps would be better!
MfG Rayzer HD
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Yeah this Hongkong-English Rom is already a month published and maybe there will spread a newer version. I would be happy, if there improve some things, like Video Playing, atm i have so 20 fps in average in a divx film, which is still already ok, but for the human eye 25fps would be better!
MfG Rayzer HD
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you can change this with an registry modification to 25fps video capturing .. just search the hints and tweak section (i think there is a tweak there..)
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you can change this with an registry modification to 25fps video capturing .. just search the hints and tweak section (i think there is a tweak there..)
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No i did speak of a coreplayer benchmark result of a divx film and there i can only change the film, yeah i know but i dont want it at every video...^^
But this is not only a playing video thread so stop...
MfG Robert
oh sorry, i misunderstood it.. i thought you meant a video which you take with the blackstone. Sorry!
Hahaha, this means that this particular dude from HTC also browses the XDA forums for his tweaks... Sad actually.
I don't expect anything from HTC anymore, just that they don't know how to make iPhone killers and charge too much for their devices.
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you can change this with an registry modification to 25fps video capturing .. just search the hints and tweak section (i think there is a tweak there..)
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I don't see any.. can you post the link for the thread??
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\Camera\
Recparam\AVILarge
Should be somewhere there in Registry, just change 15 to 25 (not more..)
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Hahaha, this means that this particular dude from HTC also browses the XDA forums for his tweaks... Sad actually.
I don't expect anything from HTC anymore, just that they don't know how to make iPhone killers and charge too much for their devices.
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So do I. They don't even manage to make the HD work with BT hands-free kits...
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HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\Camera\
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Should be somewhere there in Registry, just change 15 to 25 (not more..)
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Hmm... with 25 applied after recording a video, when playing that video the orientation of that video is reversed from the recording orientation that was made.
I reverted to 15 and now everything is ok again.
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Hahaha, this means that this particular dude from HTC also browses the XDA forums for his tweaks... Sad actually.
I don't expect anything from HTC anymore, just that they don't know how to make iPhone killers and charge too much for their devices.
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hey neo! i'm glad you responded, i was just about to pm you so you dont think too much of this 'new development'??
jessew
Nah, not really. If we want new shiny stuff on our devices, we should support the community in any way we can. That's where the good stuff comes from.
Thank you for your reply. I did play a film in fullscreen myself without lag, however this was indeed on a third party player (that you also have mentioned about). Right now, I don't have any further information to give you regarding file formats, codecs etc. I would however recommend you to search online for something like: "Video Playback SDcard Tune up". I'm sure you will find a useful article about video formats etc. HTC does not support or endorse third party software or links, therefore HTC will not supply with recommendations of useful third party solutions. I will get back to you if I get more information regarding 3D acceleration and future updated. Kind Regards XXX HTC Europe
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Hehe, so my damn TuneUP was finally discovered by HTC!
Maybe you can license it to them for use in future devices and make some big $$$
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Maybe you can license it to them for use in future devices and make some big $$$
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Yea, or get a free phone (big bucks, right?!?!)
check it out here Opera Mobile it's a tad bit buggy. obviously beta. but flash is working somewhat.. it takes a lil fingering out to get it working. but youtube videos are playing in full screen glory on my expo now!
enjoy at your own risk
if you've already got opera installed this will over install but you will keep your bookmarks and what not.. mine did anyway
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check it out here Opera Mobile it's a tad bit buggy. obviously beta. but flash is working somewhat.. it takes a lil fingering out to get it working. but youtube videos are playing in full screen glory on my expo now!
enjoy at your own risk
if you've already got opera installed this will over install but you will keep your bookmarks and what not.. mine did anyway
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I personally prefer UcWeb Browser. Its more a "mobile" browser.
Where did you get the english version of UCWeb? I downloaded it but its all in japanese.
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Where did you get the english version of UCWeb? I downloaded it but its all in japanese.
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http://www.uc.cn/English/download.shtml
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Its more a "mobile" browser.
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What does that mean?
WhatThis said:
What does that mean?
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while opera is a fine browser it trys to emulate a desktop experience, which isnt all bad, it does a good job.
UCWeb on the ohter hand doesnt try to be a desktop, is a browser which knows its on a mobile device and does everything it can to accommodate to that fact.
Which model?
The LG Expo or GW820 or 825 is not listed as a model to pick - what's the next best choice for WVGA screen? HTC HD2?
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The LG Expo or GW820 or 825 is not listed as a model to pick - what's the next best choice for WVGA screen? HTC HD2?
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idk, dont remember what i picked lol, just try one
Choose the default version
Tried the HD2 version before you mentioned the default one, Phatride - seems to work ok so far, but still prefer Opera Mobile 10 b3
on this beta and the release i noticed that pictures were blurry and loaded slowly. i did not try you tube because i use coreplayer for youtube because it plays youtube very clear (h264 720p and FLV) if you change the format in the settings under channel
CorePlayer
I have heard of this coreplayer, but don't know where to get it. Can someone post a link?
Is this the best video viewing experience on the lg expo? I used Divx Player on my Fuze, and it did decent. is Divx and CorePlayer comparable?
Thanks.
Hello!
I'm wondering if any is working on it actively? when do you think we will see a free, working codec / player of divx / xvid for android / htc magic mobile?
conveting movies is ok, but not a big fun ;P so, i hope some one will come up with something soon...
there is a paid one, but it is not too good, and movies got unwanted delays in middle of the presentation.
thanks!
xyflash not work for you?it does for me on hero and magic?
can i have the file for yxflash?
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can i have the file for yxflash?
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No, it's a payed app so just buy it in the market.
Caseniote said:
No, it's a payed app so just buy it in the market.
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sorry, just to clarify, yxflash is a free app on market, but you need to buy a license for it. there is a trial mode for ti.
and it needs to be polished more as well. Doesn't work perfectly for me
does it work perfectly for most people?
I'm using it to show people the new cataclysm wow trailer. Although it will play the original HD file from the website, it is laggy as hell. I use pspvideo9 to convert it to mp4. Plays Like a dvd.
It works ok for me on my phone,but i only use it to watch tv shows,so 45 minutes run time max. (test both G1 and Magic).
Lifehacker just posted that about watching divx on Android, and I thought of this thread. They use RockPlayerBase which is still in beta, but apparently gets the job done.
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Lifehacker just posted that about watching divx on Android, and I thought of this thread. They use RockPlayerBase which is still in beta, but apparently gets the job done.
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I have tested in my HTC Magic and it doesn't work. A friend of mines tested it on his Motorola Milestone and it is awesome.
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I have tested in my HTC Magic and it doesn't work. A friend of mines tested it on his Motorola Milestone and it is awesome.
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Only works on 2.1 from what i have seen.
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Only works on 2.1 from what i have seen.
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I am running CyanogenMod 5.0.8, which is 2.1. Perhaps there is some hardware restrictions ...
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I'm using it to show people the new cataclysm wow trailer. Although it will play the original HD file from the website, it is laggy as hell. I use pspvideo9 to convert it to mp4. Plays Like a dvd.
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You're trying to play 720p video on a device with 192/288mb ram and a 528mhz CPU?! You're clearly intoxicated if you think that's going to work smoothly.
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You're trying to play 720p video on a device with 192/288mb ram and a 528mhz CPU?! You're clearly intoxicated if you think that's going to work smoothly.
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Nope, I am aware of the hardware limitations of the 32B, but I am trying to play a 640x352 AVI. Rockbase player doesn't even shows a frame, it shows nothing.With other players like yxflash I can see the movie, although not in a decent frame rate.
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Nope, I am aware of the hardware limitations of the 32B, but I am trying to play a 640x352 AVI. Rockbase player doesn't even shows a frame, it shows nothing.With other players like yxflash I can see the movie, although not in a decent frame rate.
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Ah ok, you said HD, so..
That sucks, would be really nice if it would play TV in the standard formats :-(
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Only works on 2.1 from what i have seen.
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i'm trying it on my HTC magic (running cyanogen 5.0.8, which is indeed 2.1)
doesn't work for me either. i can't seem to open any files.
tried 4 different avi's. all of them bring the app back to the folder selection screen.
i tried uninstalling + reinstalling the player twice as well.
any suggestions?
It requires a CPU with ARMv7 instruction set. HTC Magic have only ARMv6. That is why it isn't working...
RockPlayer does have 3 branches:
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Version ARM V7 ： Google Nexus One, HTC Desire Incredible EVO , Moto Milestone XT800, Droid Series,Acer Liquid, Samsung Galaxy S, Sony Ericsson X10 ,Dell Thunder Streak, LG LU2300 .ect
Version ARM V6 VFP： Samsung SHW-M100S GT-i5700 ,HTC Legend ,etc.
Version ARM V6 ： All models left running Android support ARMv6 instruction set.
I was able to play an Xvid encoded file from my mytouch 1.2. It can be a little choppy and audio/video desync, but it mostly does the job.
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RockPlayer does have 3 branches:
taken from their site at andplayer.com
Version ARM V7 ： Google Nexus One, HTC Desire Incredible EVO , Moto Milestone XT800, Droid Series,Acer Liquid, Samsung Galaxy S, Sony Ericsson X10 ,Dell Thunder Streak, LG LU2300 .ect
Version ARM V6 VFP： Samsung SHW-M100S GT-i5700 ,HTC Legend ,etc.
Version ARM V6 ： All models left running Android support ARMv6 instruction set.
I was able to play an Xvid encoded file from my mytouch 1.2. It can be a little choppy and audio/video desync, but it mostly does the job.
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I have just tried it on my HTC MT3G and it gets audio/video desync, although it was a small sized video...
So, guys , as i understand there's no solution - we can't play xvid and as I tried big .avi files on our mt3g`s. If someone finds a player please post it here so we all can use it btw if someone can tell me player which plays big avi files - please write me a message or smth.
Are you serious? Did you not bother reading the thread before posting? Are you just trying to pad your message post count? READ.