alright so this is the conclusion i have came to.
yes, 3g is faster than edge....
BUT when surfing web on your phone is it really worth it?
i have come to find that when surfing web on my phone i actually prefer to use edge because it is fast enough...and it takes ALOT less of my batter..if i have to download somthing i simply switch to 3g download it...and switch back simple as that...
the only time i really use 3g at all times is when im tethering via wmwifirouter or internet sharing..
just a thought for people who try to conserve battery esp. if you are downloading email every 15 minutes or weather or w.e for that matter
anyone else use this method? post here =)
Same for me, I only use 3G when I need the speed for ICS or Slingbox and then I usually try to be near extra power... For most surfing, email, etc. EDGE is fine.
RemE said:
Same for me, I only use 3G when I need the speed for ICS or Slingbox and then I usually try to be near extra power... For most surfing, email, etc. EDGE is fine.
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Yeah but the 3G network is crystal clear for voice too though. Not to mention calls not going to voice mail when using data.
Joe
At least for me (using AT&T) Edge is SOOOO slow. I mean it will literally take a minute or more to open a web page. While in the exact same spot, on HSDPA, my web pages load amazingly fast.
I guess maybe it depends on your carrier, or location.
cincy1020 said:
At least for me (using AT&T) Edge is SOOOO slow. I mean it will literally take a minute or more to open a web page. While in the exact same spot, on HSDPA, my web pages load amazingly fast.
I guess maybe it depends on your carrier, or location.
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Yes, it's clearly carrier-dependent. With me, EDGE is very fast.
I saw on another thread that by default HSUPA is disabled. Does anyone know how to enable this?
Thanks in advance...
Do any networks anywhere even have HSUPA? I'm fairly sure its coming this year on most UK networks, but doesn't the US not even have proper 3G?
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1311
No HSUPA
When I saw this question, I had a feeling that it was a rumoured spec, and then wasn't in the Diamond, but only in the Touch Pro.
Rory
In Germany we have some networks that offer HSUPA (e.g. T-Mobile, Vodafone).
What about the concurrent usage of HSUPA and HSDPA? I recently saw in the xperia x1 datasheet that concurrent usage of both techniques is possible at reduced speed of HSDPA (down to 3,6 MBit/s).
The question is, how does the diamond deal with this? I still wonder why the feature was disabled at all? I currently own a HTC TyTN and also had to enable HSDPA using some hacks. What I realized is a colossal battery consumption when using HSDPA.
So maybe HSUPA was disabled at the diamond for a good reason? Maybe the battery drain is too huge when HSUPA is turned on?
Unfortunately there is still not much reporting about this feature in the forums.
I'm really strugling to understand what you could possibly need HSUPA for on a mobile!
What data could you possibly need to upload at such speed? I imagine they disabled HSUPA to save on battery life. There's so very very few applications of it where you would see a difference.
HKLM\Software\HTC\AdvancedNetwork:
SupportHSUPA <--- set this value to "1", (default values is: "0")
someone1234 said:
I'm really strugling to understand what you could possibly need HSUPA for on a mobile!
What data could you possibly need to upload at such speed? I imagine they disabled HSUPA to save on battery life. There's so very very few applications of it where you would see a difference.
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Please keep in mind that some people (like me) use the device also in connection with a laptop (ICS). Sending a bunch of data from a laptop is not very unlikely.
Surely it might not be essential, but if the device basically supports this feature, I would like to take benefit of it.
@SecureGSM
Do I have to reboot the device after the registry change? (I currently do not own the device, therefore I have to ask).
If it's easy to switch it on and off just by registry without reboot, then I have no problem with this as the device is charged while connected via USB. But it would not be very nice if I had to reboot the device everytime I connect and disconnect it from my laptop in order to enable or disable HSUPA.
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HKLM\Software\HTC\AdvancedNetwork:
SupportHSUPA <--- set this value to "1", (default values is: "0")
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Cool, thanks for that.
foo said:
Please keep in mind that some people (like me) use the device also in connection with a laptop (ICS).
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Which is exactly why I need this device... finally I can get rid of my PCMCIA-Data-Card and even better - change from two contract to one+data option.
foo said:
Please keep in mind that some people (like me) use the device also in connection with a laptop (ICS). Sending a bunch of data from a laptop is not very unlikely.
Surely it might not be essential, but if the device basically supports this feature, I would like to take benefit of it.
@SecureGSM
Do I have to reboot the device after the registry change? (I currently do not own the device, therefore I have to ask).
If it's easy to switch it on and off just by registry without reboot, then I have no problem with this as the device is charged while connected via USB. But it would not be very nice if I had to reboot the device everytime I connect and disconnect it from my laptop in order to enable or disable HSUPA.
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You may need a soft reset... You will almost certainly need to switch the phone functionality off and on.
foo said:
Please keep in mind that some people (like me) use the device also in connection with a laptop (ICS). Sending a bunch of data from a laptop is not very unlikely.
Surely it might not be essential, but if the device basically supports this feature, I would like to take benefit of it.
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Yes but sending large amounts of data, or 'serving' large amounts of data is only ever usefull when running services. Since networks use private addresses and you have no access obviously to redirect ports, its kind of useless. There are VERY VERY few reasons to use HSUPA, and i'm sure anyone would struggle to justify any of them to me.
Its a cool acronym, but useless in todays network topologies.
Btw, ICS ontop of the exisiting NAT carried out by the GGSN will cause a myriad of problems with out going source initiated connections.
I have designed and VO'd alot of IP, 2G, 2.5G and 3G equipment, so if you have any questions or queries about the technology i am happy to explain.
My personal view is that enabling HSUPA without a specific need is to your detriment. The power consumption does not justify the minimal increase in upload for typical short packets, even after overhead.
Can anyone tell me the difference between the big bright "H" and the dimmed and smaller "H" that shows on the top menu bar?
I guess it has something to do with this matter discussed in this thread, but I'm not sure.
NOTE: I haven't made any tweak to the phone...yet
HastaSSSS
someone1234 said:
Yes but sending large amounts of data, or 'serving' large amounts of data is only ever usefull when running services. Since networks use private addresses and you have no access obviously to redirect ports, its kind of useless. There are VERY VERY few reasons to use HSUPA, and i'm sure anyone would struggle to justify any of them to me.
Its a cool acronym, but useless in todays network topologies.
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I don't get the point. Just imagine you want to send your friends some nice photos of your last vacation or your new favorite MP3 Song(s). Such a song may have about 5-10 MBytes, which takes 3-4 minutes to be transfered using ordinary UMTS (assuming you get 384 kbit/s upload, which is also not always the case).
Sure, you (or your friend) can wait 3-4 Minutes, but HSUPA does the same in less then a minute. And if you want to send more then one song, then you will be really happy having HSUPA.
Next example: I upload all my photo stuff to flickr. I have some Gigabytes of images stored there already and it is a colossal pain in the ass to upload them. I would even consider using HSUPA for this as with 1,4 MBit/s it's faster then my stationary Internet connection. (1 MBit/s upload)
Next example: Uploading an almost 100 MByte Video to YouTube (I've also done this several times). With UMTS you don't want to do this, at least it will be very annoying to wait until it's done. With HSUPA it's not a big deal.
Next example: Online Photo development - no need to explain the advantage of HSUPA here...
So you see, it's not about running a server, it's just about actively sending data (FTP/SCP Client connections, email with attachments, webform uploads (webspace, flickr, youtube, ...), ...)
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Btw, ICS ontop of the exisiting NAT carried out by the GGSN will cause a myriad of problems with out going source initiated connections.
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Might be, but this is what I do now for almost 2 years with my TyTN already. It's okay for me, I can do VPN with the company I work for, access my home-PC using Remote Desktop Connection, surf the net, send emails, use messengers, receive live TV / music via streaming from my home-PC, use SSH Tunnels to get remote access to my home network, use FTP Client connections.
See, there are a lot of possibilities and that's all I want and that's sufficient for a lot of other people as well.
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My personal view is that enabling HSUPA without a specific need is to your detriment. The power consumption does not justify the minimal increase in upload for typical short packets, even after overhead.
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Well, I might have different requirements then you, but I gave you some examples where it absolutely makes sense to have HSUPA.
Yes you're absolutly right, its is usefull for faster uploads, thats basically what it does!
But like i said its only usefull in very specific scenarios, like you described. For normal usage, web, mail (unless you constantly forward large atachments), MMS its not worth it.
What your describing would probably kill your battery in a few hours anyway.
With regards to ICS, you're talking about use the phone as a 'modem', or sharing the phones internet connection with your PC's. This doesnt work the same way as ICS on a pc, its specifically a one to one connection from phone to your PC, so there's no double net. Sorry for the confusion.
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What your describing would probably kill your battery in a few hours anyway.
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The nice thing is that my TyTN and hopefully the Diamond / Touch Pro as well, is charging while connected to the laptop using ICS. So while I'm connected to a laptop I do not care about battery life and when I use the phone in "standalone mode", I don't need HSUPA.
Therefore I would appreciate if it could be easily turned on and off.
someone1234 said:
With regards to ICS, you're talking about use the phone as a 'modem', or sharing the phones internet connection with your PC's. This doesnt work the same way as ICS on a pc, its specifically a one to one connection from phone to your PC, so there's no double net. Sorry for the confusion.
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Yes, that's right, but "modem" and ICS is different also when using it on the mobile device:
In Windows Mobile 5 I used a modem application and got the private class A network address from my mobile provider also on the laptop.
In Windows Mobile 6 I use the ICS application and have a new indirection. The laptop get's a private class C address and the mobile device also has the private class A address from the provider.
The provider itself does some additional NAT to translate my private class A address to something valid for the Internet.
e.g.
Provider / Public IP
92.116.25.X (Internet)
10.X.X.X (WAN)
____|______
Mobile Device
10.X.X.X (WAN)
192.168.0.1 ("LAN")
____|_____
Laptop
192.168.0.102 ("LAN")
Sorry for a little bit off topic here.
Saw in above post someone mentioned about Touch Pro & Xperia.
Are they actually same hardware with different clothing. And Xperia uses MicroSD and does not use M2.
Heard somewhere SE engaged some Taiwan company to make M$ Phone.
s1rl4ncel0t said:
Can anyone tell me the difference between the big bright "H" and the dimmed and smaller "H" that shows on the top menu bar?
I guess it has something to do with this matter discussed in this thread, but I'm not sure.
NOTE: I haven't made any tweak to the phone...yet
HastaSSSS
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G = gprs available in area (BTS supports gprs)
E = edge available in area (BTS supports edge)
H = HSDPA available in area (BTS supports HSDPA)
The same letter next to the signal means you're connected using that technology. Same letter with the signal bars changed to arrows means your transfering data using that technology.
Yeah, I know that...
The thing is that sometimes the big "H" becomes just a bit smaller and the white box becomes dimmed...
My first thought would be it shows up when the phone trying to find something...synchronizing, ....
I wish I've taken a screenshot...but it happens randomly...
And then I thought: could it be that the big sharp "H" is when the phone is under HSUPA, and when the "H" is a bit smaller and the box becomes dimmer, than it's under HSDPA?...
Bye
hmm the dimmed one is probabaly a handover.
mouseymousey said:
I saw on another thread that by default HSUPA is disabled. Does anyone know how to enable this?
Thanks in advance...
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I found it in the registy database, and was now given the option to enable it together with HSDPA.
Simply install a reg editor on your Diamond, search for HSUPA, change Value to 1, and you can now enable HSUPA on your Diamond.
I have not tested if it acually makes ha difference, I don't know how ;-)
Or better still flash your rom to the TLR one and its available in the options ie you can enable it or disable it. SAves having to go through the registry to change the setting.
I ran a speed test at mobilespeedtest.com and got this
I think its way too good to be true, is anyone else at this speed?
kylez64 said:
I ran a speed test at mobilespeedtest.com and got this
I think its way too good to be true, is anyone else at this speed?
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If it goes through a proxy it will screw things up. I once did a GPRS test (on an SE W580i) and got 40kbps with the SE browser. On opera mini it would tell me I was on 56MB
I did the test off and on now with around the same results
it says compared to other isps its about 9 times faster, i thought for sure there was an error, or just extremely lucky.
kylez64 said:
I did the test off and on now with around the same results
it says compared to other isps its about 9 times faster, i thought for sure there was an error, or just extremely lucky.
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try some other speed test site
mobilespeedtest.com says my 3g speed is 11907 Kbps oO
lukluk says my max speed is 619 Kbps
Xtreme lab's speedtest app says my d/l speed is 447 Kbits/s
speed testing - the badass way
Okay if you want to do this right, first turn off any compression you may have enabled in Connections. Tether up a laptop with wmwifirouter (grab a trial). Might as well turn up your wifi strength on the phone but that may not matter. On the computer make sure you've got no crap running in the background that uses bandwidth including IM and p2p obviously on either the phone or the computer. Fire up a browser and do multiple tests from multiple servers on http://speakeasy.net/speedtest.
When you're done, for good measure, repeat but tethering through usb not wifi. I believe wifi may be faster than wifi and it does matter when you're testing a connection with possible but very unlikely throughput in the neighborhood of six bonded T1 lines.
Doug
edit: Sometimes carriers and ISPs cheat on their customers' bandwidth testing by packet bursting, shaping, throttling and proxy tricks. Since you're seeing insane (and most likely erroneous) speed results and if you want to bother getting to the bottom of this, in addition or instead of doing what I said, tether up with your computer, install this little simple bandwidth meter (on the computer) which I attached and download this 256.5MB copy of OpenBSD from this mirror on your computer:
ftp://filedump.se.rit.edu/pub/OpenBSD/4.5/amd64/install45.iso
And watch your bandwidth meter. Also fire up your best stopwatch and clock the full download and do some math to get the speed.
While you're at it figure out a way to upload a >10MB file somewhere and clock that too. Be advised your throughput testing may be confounded by the time of day and your carrier's network saturation in addition to your signal strength which might vary if you've got your laptop screen in between your phone and the path to the nearest tower.
Wow I guess I turned this into a big project.
edit: if you don't have access to another machine or are too lazy to do the tethering thing at least use dslreports/mspeed to download a 1MB test as opposed to mobilespeedtest.com's 512KB.
d0ugie said:
Okay if you want to do this right, first turn off any compression you may have enabled in Connections. Tether up a laptop with wmwifirouter (grab a trial). Might as well turn up your wifi strength on the phone but that may not matter. On the computer make sure you've got no crap running in the background that uses bandwidth including IM and p2p obviously on either the phone or the computer. Fire up a browser and do multiple tests from multiple servers on http://speakeasy.net/speedtest.
When you're done, for good measure, repeat but tethering through usb not wifi. I believe wifi may be faster than wifi and it does matter when you're testing a connection with possible but very unlikely throughput in the neighborhood of six bonded T1 lines.
Doug
edit: Sometimes carriers and ISPs cheat on their customers' bandwidth testing by packet bursting, shaping, throttling and proxy tricks. Since you're seeing insane (and most likely erroneous) speed results and if you want to bother getting to the bottom of this, in addition or instead of doing what I said, tether up with your computer, install this little simple bandwidth meter (on the computer) which I attached and download this 256.5MB copy of OpenBSD from this mirror on your computer:
ftp://filedump.se.rit.edu/pub/OpenBSD/4.5/amd64/install45.iso
And watch your bandwidth meter. Also fire up your best stopwatch and clock the full download and do some math to get the speed.
While you're at it figure out a way to upload a >10MB file somewhere and clock that too. Be advised your throughput testing may be confounded by the time of day and your carrier's network saturation in addition to your signal strength which might vary if you've got your laptop screen in between your phone and the path to the nearest tower.
Wow I guess I turned this into a big project.
edit: if you don't have access to another machine or are too lazy to do the tethering thing at least use dslreports/mspeed to download a 1MB test as opposed to mobilespeedtest.com's 512KB.
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well I did this and got around 1-2 mbps witch is still very good for me
one can always dream though lol
Is anybody else having issues with low bandwidth speed when tethering? I'm on the latest Cyanogen build. I've tried both wired and wireless tethering, both have low speeds when being used. Normal I get around 300-500 kbps on my G1 but its only allowing about 20-50 kbps to the pc. Any help in this matter will be greatly appreciated.
Sounds like EDGE speeds and not 3g.
I'm definately on 3G. I've had 3G in my area since Aug. Could it be the OS I'm using, windows 7?
how much data have you used for the month? i heard that if you go over your gb limit, tmobile will throttle you back. phone will say 3g, but you will be cruising at edge speed......
I'm not sure how check my data usage but I'm pretty sure its no where near the 10gbs allotted for the G1. With the speedtest app I'm gettin speeds between 400-500 kbps right now but when I try the speedtest website on the pc while tethering I'm only getting 30-40kbps.
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Could it be the OS I'm using, windows 7?
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You use mscrap and expect fastness?
I don't even know if this is possible or not. When I leave any wi-fi area, my 3g turns on, but the image quality downgrades due to compression methods I guess, i.e. avatar pics on twitter apps are lower quality & web surfing.
Is there any way to use wf-fi quality images on a 3g signal?, I don't care if this will slow down my internet experience really.
Im in the UK with t-mobile on a G1 running Super D 1.6
I dont know but iphone devs have a couple apps that 'trick' the device into tbinking its on wifi so that even on 3g image/video quality equals wifi. its awesome. hope this happens on android
Hopefully someone will look into creating an app that would do this.
This is insane.
Data is data. It doesn't matter what kind of network you are connected to.
If your image quality is lower on 3g, then it is your ISP that is interfering with the files you are receiving.
lbcoder said:
This is insane.
Data is data. It doesn't matter what kind of network you are connected to.
If your image quality is lower on 3g, then it is your ISP that is interfering with the files you are receiving.
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I didn't mention anything about data, what I meant was the method compression that travels through the 3g signal