Hello all,
I finally bought a Kaiser, after thinking a long time about the fact it is not VGA ...
But I am very disapointed by the keyboard. I have very small fingers, but each time I press a key, I have the feeling that I touch the others close to it, and I don't really know if I touched the good one unless I see it on the screen . It is a really bad feeling when I want to type fast.
Also the feeling I have when pressing the keys is bad : sometimes keys seems hard to press, sometimes there is a soft feeling ...
This is really disapointing because the keyboard was for me the main interest of this device. I was the owner of a good old QTEK 9000, and the keyboard of the Kaiser is FAR FAR FAR away from the one of the universal.
Another bad point for the Kaiser : the power on button should stick a little more, or being in another place. Most of the time, when I want to press it, I also push the screen (my finger recover the button but not only !). So everytime I have to look at my Kaiser to press the power on button and to take extreme attention to push the button without pushing the screen ...
What was your feelings when you first discovered the Kaiser keyboard ?
I thought it beat the pants off of my Ipaq 6515. I'm very happy with it.
It doesnt lend itself to typing with fingers... only with thumbs.
As with all qwerty HTC devices, one or two keys were a bit sticky when new - they have settled down now.
unwired4 said:
It doesnt lend itself to typing with fingers... only with thumbs.
As with all qwerty HTC devices, one or two keys were a bit sticky when new - they have settled down now.
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o i hope ur right u give me hope yay .... the heremes keyboard was just fine though why did they have to change it.
dizzy33 said:
Hello all,
Another bad point for the Kaiser : the power on button should stick a little more, or being in another place. Most of the time, when I want to press it, I also push the screen (my finger recover the button but not only !). So everytime I have to look at my Kaiser to press the power on button and to take extreme attention to push the button without pushing the screen ...
What was your feelings when you first discovered the Kaiser keyboard ?
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As with all things, I'm betting you eventually get used to it and it ends up being less of a problem. Give it some time dude.
dizzy23, actually you've got a real point here.
I've been on an HTC Hermes (badged as Orange SPV M3100 in UK) and I reckon the Kaiser is a little bit of a step back in terms of tactile response.
However the "u" key on my Hermes started to pack in after a few months of texting, so I'm hoping the Kaiser will stand up to better usage
I'm also not keen on the way the Kaiser now opens. They swapped it around from the old Hermes to alledgedly make it easier for right handed people to open. I rekcon they've made a hash of this as 1) it's no easier to open than before and 2) getting to the stylus is now a pain being on the left. The ergonomics are just all wrong people!
Complaining aside, I love this new Kaiser, but you're spot on about the keyboard
Chris
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As with all things, I'm betting you eventually get used to it and it ends up being less of a problem. Give it some time dude.
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Maybe you're right, I should give it some time. But time passes, and I just found a new problem with this keyboard ! (sorry ...).
When I press the spacebar, sometimes I can feel a kind of "double click", just like if I had press it twice (or pressing it along with another key).
I did some tests and could see that this does not happen if I press on the top of the space bar. But if I press on the bottom of it, then I can ear and feel this "double click".
Again, a very bad feeling wich does slow me when I try to type text because everytime I press the space bar I have to verify I only did it once !!!
Finally I found out where does this "double click" come from : in fact, if I press on the right side of the key, I can feel just a single click. Same thing on the left side. But If I put my finger on the middle of it, then I can feel the "double click". So I guess that in fact the space bar's got two switches : one on each side of the bar.
Again for this, I hope time will help me to deal with it !
I agree that the keyboard is a bit flakey. The Hermes keyboard had a much better feel. I find myself accidently typing the same letter several times. And when I first saw it, I thought the silver numeric keys were a good idea, but in practice find it distracting when I want to type the letters. It also visually breaks up the keyboard making L, O and P harder to type.
Oh well, hopefully I'll get used to it.
Sorry folks but i definetely cannot agree with you. Of course the space bar consists of 2 buttons, i realized it the first time i press i. Now i press it only on one side and have no problem at all, even no time to get used to it. The buttons have a VERY good press, are not too stiff and not too soft, just perfect. Don't understand how anyone can prefer the plastic-like Hermes-Keyboard... urgh. The one from the Kaiser feels alot better!
crawltochina said:
Sorry folks but i definetely cannot agree with you. Of course the space bar consists of 2 buttons, i realized it the first time i press i. Now i press it only on one side and have no problem at all, even no time to get used to it. The buttons have a VERY good press, are not too stiff and not too soft, just perfect. Don't understand how anyone can prefer the plastic-like Hermes-Keyboard... urgh. The one from the Kaiser feels alot better!
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Just try a HTC Universal keyboard, and you will understand ! And here, I am not talking about the size of the keys wich are bigger of course on the Universal and so more comfortable. I can't complain about the Kaiser keyboard size. I am just talking about the feeling you get when you press a key.
From my point of view, the Kaiser's keyboard is really not good for writing long texts very fast. I am a blackberry user, and writing a lot of emails everyday, unfortunatly I will have to go back to my blackberry device now Too bad I already sold my Universal ...
I am also often pressing twice the same key on the Kaiser, and I am not confident in the fact that time will help me in that, as many other users report this problem now ...
I thought it was just me! I upgraded from an 8525. The 8525 keyboard is so much nicer (to me) than the Tilt. Every key has a similar tactile response. The Tilt keyboard ranges from clicky to mushy. I often find myself subconsciously hitting a key twice because I didn't feel a response from the key. I even went back to the store and tried a couple others and they're all the same.
Hopefully, I can get used to it and it won't bother me so much. (It's the only thing about the Tilt that I don't like!)
dizzy33 said:
Hello all,
I finally bought a Kaiser, after thinking a long time about the fact it is not VGA ...
But I am very disapointed by the keyboard. I have very small fingers, but each time I press a key, I have the feeling that I touch the others close to it, and I don't really know if I touched the good one unless I see it on the screen . It is a really bad feeling when I want to type fast.
Also the feeling I have when pressing the keys is bad : sometimes keys seems hard to press, sometimes there is a soft feeling ...
This is really disapointing because the keyboard was for me the main interest of this device. I was the owner of a good old QTEK 9000, and the keyboard of the Kaiser is FAR FAR FAR away from the one of the universal.
Another bad point for the Kaiser : the power on button should stick a little more, or being in another place. Most of the time, when I want to press it, I also push the screen (my finger recover the button but not only !). So everytime I have to look at my Kaiser to press the power on button and to take extreme attention to push the button without pushing the screen ...
What was your feelings when you first discovered the Kaiser keyboard ?
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This are things you could discover if you try before you buy.
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This are things you could discover if you try before you buy.
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The problem is that in a store, with the seller close to you, you can't try the device keyboard enough time to see that the problems will remain there even after hours of practice !
At the very first touch, the keyboard seems quite good.
Keyboard on 8525 was much more accurate for me. Feedback was much better.
Thought I would add a little input as a new user. I had every complaint you did but I can honestly say after a week of use I am gettting as fast at typing as I was with my Curve. I definitely gets better.
Only complaint about Tilt right now is what were they thinking when they put the stylus on the bottom of the device. It works great when in the upright position for a righty but when you switch to landscape you have to remove with your left hand and move it to your right. If it was on the same side but on the top of the device it would be ideal.
Other than that this device is amazing!
dizzy33 said:
What was your feelings when you first discovered the Kaiser keyboard ?
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I feel that the keyboard is one of just a few things that is better than on the Hermes :-( The other good things are proper A2DP support without skipping and the suede-type case. Everything else have been disappointing.
I've just upgraded from the Wizard, in my opinion the button spacing was much better on that than with the Kaiser. I'm sure there were design constraints but there is quite bit of unused space to the left and right which could perhaps have been used to make it a bit more friendly.
Minor quibbles aside, with all these devices, you need to have patience for a few days to get used to them.
I got a Tilt for AT&T's latest batch, and my first feeling was that the keyboard was better than on my Hermes/8525.
I just pulled it out to test again. There is no difference in the tactile response of the keys on mine. They all have the same click to them.
My only complaint is that it is hard to hit the soft keys when the screen it tilted up, but you can usually just push the button on the screen anyway.
I wonder if its possible that I got a newer hardware revision that addressed the "mushy" key problem.
Had me V3 a few hours now and am very happy with it compared to the V2, faster and easier to use. Keyboard is vastly nicer than the V2, however my space key is a little stiff, but I am sure that it will soften over the next few wks of use.
Its kind of like when you get a new laptop, you have loves and hates with them when you get a new one.
Hello,
I don't know if it is common to the diamond, that the power-button gives nearly no tactile feedback by pressing it, perhaps its only with few devices.
When I'am pressing the button I'am only aware to have done it correctly, when the device gets on or off. The button is built relatively deep into the housing of the phone, so I have often press it twice.
Even If I press it gently with the fingernail to feel slightes response, I it is very hard to recognize the point where the microswitch is activated.
Is this a normal issue?
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Token42
i suffer from no such issue, i think yours is borked
pwoyorkie said:
i suffer from no such issue, i think yours is borked
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Thanks for feedback. Currently the button works for me, appart from beeing not suh responsive - so I keep the device until it gets wors.
If I press the button in the middle with my nail there is a minimal "click-feeling" , so the switch seems not completely broken, curriosely there is a little more tactile feedback, when I release it.
how long have you had it ?
I know at t-mobile if develops a fault within the first 28 days youre entitled to an exchange. If youve had it under a month it may be worth just changing it before a 28 day exchange turns into a 2 week repair.
Mine has the same thing too. It really isn't a big issue but it does get annoying at times.
Mine reacts the same way, as I think it has been designed into the device as a "feature"......in other words: have to actively press it to make it work, so that it cannot be turned on by accident (hence why it is mostly recessed)
I don't think your device is broken....suspect if you return it, you will get one with exactly the same feature
Many thanks for your comments!
I feel much better now, since I know others have the same issue and it has not be a fault on my device.
Even it where faulty, I could live with it, cause it works all in all, but I think it would be much better to have a decent tactile feedbak on the power-switch.
Perhaps the power-button is a solid peace of hardware, but often when I press it I think something like "how long will it take, till does not work anymore" - but this is only a psychological issue, perhaps.
Many regards!
the button should project just enough to feel it with your fingers
the earlier htc touch had a recessed power button which was a bit difficult to press....so the one on the diamond is relatively easier to press coz it projects out of the body
also, how ur holding the device whilst pressing the power button also makes a difference!
I bought a used Tilt not long ago, and have noticed that the red hangup button doesn't always work when pushed to the same amount as the other hardware buttons on the front of the phone.
If I push it harder, it seems to work.
This does not happen all the time. It happens speratically.
Is this a common problem, or is it just me?
I've been having this issue lately too, no idea what's causing it.
i've had dozens of these beasts(in the kind-hearted meaning of the word) and they all do the same thing... it's just the nature of the beast.
Is anyone else experiencing the occasional mixup when hitting the back button? As not always, but many times regardless of the application thats open, I'll hit the back button and the search will come up and I wondering whether thats a common problem or a sensor in my phone is defective and I need to exchange it for a new one...
Thanks in advance
im having a different problem with the buttons. a lot of times my first touch wont register and i have to press it multiple times for it to be recognized.
I've noticed that my touch buttons aren't as sensitive as the touchscreen, and that I need to use a lot of pressure to get them to activate on the first try.
not alone there.. same issue here. I have a clear screen protector over them though.. though it shouldn't be a problem.. I've had the issue even before the protector so..
I have a problem with the back button too, not the other ones. However, when I press a spot a little to the left of the back button and not exactly over the button, it seems to register the press correctly.
I have found that the buttons just do not like any other finger than the index finger try to use the thumb and it will go to search or do nothing.I also returned my first phone as the buttons were terrible 80 percent of the time they would not work.So there maybe be a flaw in some of the phones as this one works fine even with the phantom skins on.The first phone would not even register a response with the skin on.
The buttons on the Captivate suck.
Buttons, as a construct, are well known.
The functional priority of the button is not a mystery and hasn't been for 100 years.
It has to click or otherwise give the user an indication the button has been pressed far enough to take effect.
It has to be tacticle. You have to have some way of knowing that your finger is on the button before you press it.
You have to have some leverage to put enough force on the button to make it move.
It has to be about the size of a finger tip.
It has to be visible. If you can't see it you can't press it.
It has to be different than other buttons that are millimeters from it.
It has to react the first time you press it, or you will naturally press it again, achieving unwanted results.
In all of the above, the Captivate fails.
The T-Mobile Galaxy has more a lot more real estate below the buttons to allow your fingers to get on to them, and a raised ridge on the rear surface of the phone exactly to give your other fingers something to grip against to increase aim and pressure.
But the Captivate has a nice lot of space at the top OH YEAH!
The only problem I have with the buttons is that I can't see them in a dark room
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I'm getting something similar. Sometimes when I hit the home button the search button blinks as if I had pressed it, then brings up the search screen. On my first captivate (mfg. date 7/16) sometimes it would happen once out of every hundred presses and sometimes it would happen 3 out of 5, very inconsistent. I traded that one in for one with a later manufacturing date (8/10), and my new one does it too but maybe only 1 out of every 100-200 presses. The fact that the search button blinks makes me think it's some kind of short/hardware issue. The back button has only triggered a search for me once, and that was on my first phone.
So this is a hardware issue or a software issue?
My back button on my phone must be pressed 4-5 times sometimes before it will register. The phone did not have the issue when I got it, and a friend of mine who has the Captivate as well does not have this issue.
It may be my imagination, but the phone seems to register touches better after I run a task killer or after restarting the phone, but tends to have issues when multiple apps are up and running.
I was having a button problem as well but fixed it by upgrading to JH3. h t t p://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=767666
Your mileage may vary but it worked for me.
May be my imagination, but it seemed to be more isolated to back button on JH3 than JF6 on my machine. My perception is that if I take an additional half-second pause before pushing back button it registers more often. Do not believe it is hardware though. I believe that your home page(button), settings (button), and search(button) all reference something that resides in permanent memory(ROM) whereas the back(button) is trying to recall something that is in temporary memory (RAM) and possibly similar to lag issues may be related to Samsungs somewhat proprietary file allocation system. I am by no means computer literate enough to ponder concept any deeper than just mentioned.
I was having a problem with pushing the home button and the search would come up. I took it to a AT&T store and because I was still in the first 30 days they swapped it out for me.
i'm having a completely different issue with my touch buttons. my back button will register multiple button presses even when i'm nowhere near it. it's quite frustrating to be in the middle of an app and all of a sudden the back button goes off 3 or 4 times and gets you back to the home screen. i've tried searching the forums for some resolution or to see if someone else has had this, but not yet.
Edit: I must not have searched thoroughly enough, found another thread on this issue. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858873&highlight=back+button+issue&page=2