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Vista will control you!!!

I read some article about Vista that delaying me to bought it:
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html#functionality
What do you thing?

cornelius said:
I read some article about Vista that delaying me to bought it:
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html#functionality
What do you thing?
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I think just 1 thing:
DON'T BUY VISTA.....and if anyone give you Vista as a gift then throw them back or sell them away
if u like Windows, then Windows XP is the only way to stay in peace...
but i advise that Vista is only a hole...a hole in performances, a hole in our wallett (if u buy vista premium, a big hole for nothing) and a big hole in personal security...i think this is not a OS but a rootkit....

Have you seen this thread?
There is a link there to a podcast about vista. What all the security will do to speed and stability of your system.
My conclusion:
If the consumers are smart enough Vista will die.
Also:
XP and other windows versions owe their popularity in large part to the fact that there are plenty of cracked versions.
If vista doesn't get cracked (mainly cause no one bothers to put in the effort) it won't gain popularity.

lol... Vista was cracked before it was released! I agree though, I've got it installed and it's just not worth it at all... I use pc mainly for creating audio and Vista's put a huge dent in audio processing. My very expensive professional soundcard is pretty much useless as M$ now say that they've decided the way everyone's been routing sound to cards is now not in their plans and they'd like Vista to take on the responsibility - yeah, well, it's pretty poor Bill... maybe you should leave this kinda stuff up to the professionals???!!!
It's all down to Vista's supposed "Security Features", but I've read a lot of reports outlining the hole's in it, basically saying it's completely meaningless. It causes problems with Networking, Audio, and performance that just can't be justified. He's gone and released it WAY before it's ready, same as always. Users will be inundated with updates until finally it starts working like XP now does, by which time he'll have another official part-release ready on the market.
Stay clear of Vista for now if you use your PC for anything more than word processing
Anything M$ related check out http://www.mydigitallife.info/ Excellent site!
P.S.... a guy on this forum has as his signature ""Microsoft". Nice of Bill to name the company after his manhood". Thought that was quite apt

Buy a Mac and all of your security issues are solved.

Windowsrookie said:
Buy a Mac and all of your security issues are solved.
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A Mac couldn't support my needs even if it wanted to

hmmmmmm
Windowsrookie said:
Buy a Mac and all of your security issues are solved.
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Why is it that one of the first things that happens when someone warns about a bug in an update to something pc related, someone says get a Mac.. or Stick to Linux??
no to kick off a huge flamer between PC's, Macs & Linux freaks.. however..
Its getting old...

Juggles said:
Why is it that one of the first things that happens when someone warns about a bug in an update to something pc related, someone says get a Mac.. or Stick to Linux??
no to kick off a huge flamer between PC's, Macs & Linux freaks.. however..
Its getting old...
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I love these arguments as I use and like all three

Midget_1990 said:
I love these arguments as I use and like all three
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ROFL That's just greedy...

Macs are just as misleading!
Windowsrookie said:
Buy a Mac and all of your security issues are solved.
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The ad on tv with the mac and pc is misleading and I'm ticked. I tried to replace a HD on an iBook... wow! Good thing I have a COMPUTER SCIENCE degree. 2.5 hours just to get to the hard drive. Why? because they want more money from you.
Anyway, I am actually pretty excited about getting vista for one of my computers.

texasaggie1 said:
The ad on tv with the mac and pc is misleading and I'm ticked. I tried to replace a HD on an iBook... wow! Good thing I have a COMPUTER SCIENCE degree. 2.5 hours just to get to the hard drive. Why? because they want more money from you.
Anyway, I am actually pretty excited about getting vista for one of my computers.
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I am not sure what ad it is you are referring to, and I don't mean to sound rood but is the time it takes to replace a part relay the driving consideration in what type of computer to get?
And even if so what does that have to do with the OS?
I may not have a degree but I open my PC every 6 month or so, if not to add / change component then just to dust it out and given the amount of peripherals connected to it, it can take 10 minutes just to unplug and then plug back all the cables (two of the big non USB annoyances are UPS status and capture card IR that use serial connectors).
At any rate, I understand the whole "I am switching to Mac / Linux etc." rants. And sorry I don't want to insult anybody but lets face it: in most cases you're just gonna stick with your XP box because getting used to a new OS is not a simple matter. (We have a MAC, don't remember specific model, at work and I got to play with it a couple of times - shortage of mouse buttons drove me crazy How can you live without 'right click'???)
But seriously you may not be switching right now but the point of it all is that there are viable (if not as popular) alternatives to M$ crap regardless of hardware architecture and that is a very comforting thought.
P.S. Here is what I can tell you about my experience with Vista:
We put a Beta on one of the stations at work (it came with our MSDN subscription). The Pentium 4 2.4GHz 258 MB machine ran at a tolerable speed (though I now know it wasn't quite up to specs for this OS), but after a week we needed it for doing real work so it was formatted back to XP.

I have tested on AthlonXP 2500+, 1 Gb ram DDR 400 MHz, Geforce FX5600 Ultra, and after a week of testing I've determined that it works 2-3 times slower than XP, i will not sacrifice performance over crappy security, silly GUI effects and poor compatiblity

My mother in law (a non technical person) just bought a new laptop pre loaded with vista. She complained that it works much worse than her old xp laptop and decided to just take it back for a refund.
I hope the same thing happens a million times and all those refunds will out weight the gains they are hoping for in cornering the drm video market.
The evil in vista is just a sign of the wider decay in American civil liberties. I normally would not care but now thanks to America pushing wipo onto Australia in order to get a trade deal, all that American evil is heading my way.
I do not think copyright crimes should be criminal offenses. Vista, DRM, DMCA, RIAA and so call anti terror laws are crushing ordinary people. They use copyright as a door into peoples lives to persecute them for any other thing they can find along the way.
I would like to see an open source p2p searchable anonymous adhoc wireless network program. That way free people around the world could create and grow an alternate network to rival the internet that no one could use to slam someone in jail. Each users copy of the program could be compiled with a unique identifier that lets it be addressed over the network but in no way ties in to their real identity. If enough people used it it could work, some with enough protection could set up gateways into the real internet to join the two networks.
This may sound stupid now but IMO lack of anonymity in ip based networks will eventually spell the end of them.
what kind of world do we live in where a person needs to run oftware from an encrypted volume within a virtual pc on a pc with ip blocking software and software and hardware firewalls just to feel that big brother won't be able to get at your stuff when they secretly break into your house and ransack it while your at work (as they are allowed to do in Aus under anti terror laws). Seriously!

xplode said:
I have tested on AthlonXP 2500+, 1 Gb ram DDR 400 MHz, Geforce FX5600 Ultra, and after a week of testing I've determined that it works 2-3 times slower than XP, i will not sacrifice performance over crappy security, silly GUI effects and poor compatiblity
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lol... freaky! I've got the same specs just another .5 Gb of RAM. I've actually gone back to XP too.
I think Vista has great potential overall, but it's just not ready... give it a year and people will be raving about it (by then it should have two or three service packs )

full of crap
Windowsrookie said:
Buy a Mac and all of your security issues are solved.
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How about os2

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vista on my old C64
to break his rock-solid security

May be it's not time for go to VISTA, wait for SP maybe 6th will fix this, and I tested it with Vista on PC, core 2 duo (errr forgot the speed coz it's office PC), than other PC with same spec run on XP, who the XP performance far better...

Weird, I have 3 machines running Windows Vista Ultimate and are working great, 1 Dell Inspiron(Intel Centrino, 1GB ram), 1 Sony VAIO(Pentium 4 512Mb ram) and 1 PC (AMD, 1Gb ram), all of you, did you change the performance in control panel? Maybe that is your slow Vista....All my drivers are OK...
And all are Vista Cra**ed.....

Speaking of drivers... Microsoft have recommended to device manufacturers/driver writers to avoid creating unified device drivers while at the same time shipping vista with unified drivers. What hypocrisy. They reserve the right to automatically revoke your drivers at any time, with the potential of bricking your machine but don't even follow their own guidelines set out to avoid large scale simultaneous revocations.
One reason it runs slow is that once every millisecond (1000th of a second) vista checks every component to see if it is secure (for drm). This is a lot to be doing on a permanent basis. Its not the only reason it runs slow, because vista is over time learning the patterns of usage for an individual it starts to try and keep a lot of stuff loaded in memory. This is not a bad thing but unless you have 3-4 gig it dose not function as well leading to a slow down.
I just don't like the direction all this drm is going. For me it has little to do with piracy and more to do with freedom. I do not want to be living in a time where a book can be revoked so that it can no longer be read because a government or dictator has decided to use drm to control public opinion. I want to live in a time where competition decides what survives in the market place and not drm/dmca monopolies.
XP works very well there is no reason to change (to vista).

Be Free
OdeeanRDeathshead said:
Speaking of drivers... Microsoft have recommended to device manufacturers/driver writers to avoid creating unified device drivers while at the same time shipping vista with unified drivers. What hypocrisy. They reserve the right to automatically revoke your drivers at any time, with the potential of bricking your machine but don't even follow their own guidelines set out to avoid large scale simultaneous revocations.
One reason it runs slow is that once every millisecond (1000th of a second) vista checks every component to see if it is secure (for drm). This is a lot to be doing on a permanent basis. Its not the only reason it runs slow, because vista is over time learning the patterns of usage for an individual it starts to try and keep a lot of stuff loaded in memory. This is not a bad thing but unless you have 3-4 gig it dose not function as well leading to a slow down.
I just don't like the direction all this drm is going. For me it has little to do with piracy and more to do with freedom. I do not want to be living in a time where a book can be revoked so that it can no longer be read because a government or dictator has decided to use drm to control public opinion. I want to live in a time where competition decides what survives in the market place and not drm/dmca monopolies.
XP works very well there is no reason to change (to vista).
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DRM important but it doesn't mean lock our freedom to get info etc, and ofcource they souldn't control costumer!!!!

What is the highest bitrate video the kaiser can handle?

I want to convert some videos/movies to put on my kaiser, and would like to know what is the best format to use, and highest quality/bitrate i can use. I know the ipod can play 1500kbps mp4 perfectly, but it certainly doesnt work as well on a kaiser. Is there another format perhaps, that it can decode better with a high bitrate? Divx, etc...
So far ive tried mp4 at around 500kbps and it plays pretty much fine. and i synced a movie using wmp to 384kpbs and that works fine as well, but doesnt look so hot...

I'd say stay under or at 500.. until they update the graphics and video drivers, anything over wont play too well. I tested a 700 WMV Top Gear episode (love top gear ) and it was ripping and freezing like mad..

I transfered a 300 from my friends iphone to my tilt via wifi (which by the way is freaking cool) which was 1500kpbs, it was just sad to watch it try and play. I figured dual core 400mhz proc could handle it... Guess not till drivers come out.

OK, now I KNOW the Apple PA department are performing a dark war...
Its a POWER PPC!!! video play is a basic extra to all the other stuff an Ispudge can't do!!!
Get an Ispudge and throw you 'Kaiser' away and don't come on this forum if you are not happy (or have the knowledge to use it to its capability)!
Stop moaning!!

haha. i would never trade my kaiser for an iphone. Those things suck other then the video playback. I know what my kaiser can do, and thats why I love the thing. I'm not complaining about the kaiser in general, just wish it played video a little better.
Notice i didnt mention anything about actualy wanting an iphone

Farsquidge said:
OK, now I KNOW the Apple PA department are performing a dark war...
Its a POWER PPC!!! video play is a basic extra to all the other stuff an Ispudge can't do!!!
Get an Ispudge and throw you 'Kaiser' away and don't come on this forum if you are not happy (or have the knowledge to use it to its capability)!
Stop moaning!!
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Lets see - I paid 700 Bucks for this phone .... and you dont think that entitles me to want it to do what it is advertised to do right on the box? Why dont you take your HTC fanboy mouth and go back to kissing their butt. This forum is to discuss issues and as far as 99.9% of the community is concerned. The video playback and graphics performance in general is an ISSUE!!!.
Personally I love my Kaiser ... but I recognize its shortcomings as well.

Bratag said:
Lets see - I paid 700 Bucks for this phone .... and you dont think that entitles me to want it to do what it is advertised to do right on the box? Why dont you take your HTC fanboy mouth and go back to kissing their butt. This forum is to discuss issues and as far as 99.9% of the community is concerned. The video playback and graphics performance in general is an ISSUE!!!.
Personally I love my Kaiser ... but I recognize its shortcomings as well.
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Sorry to disagree but this forum is not to discuss YOUR personal gripe!, it was developed for the enthusiastic DEVELOPMENT of this equipment! and solving problems ourselves (technically, not OH I can't do it...let me sue!!!.
Get your facts in place first and come up to date with the Broadcomm v Qualcomm lawsuit (still ongoing) and find out why US does not have d3d and your phones were late in deployment. Blame the US not me pal!

Farsquidge said:
Sorry to disagree but this forum is not to discuss YOUR personal gripe!, it was developed for the enthusiastic DEVELOPMENT of this equipment! and solving problems ourselves (technically, not OH I can't do it...let me sue!!!.
Get your facts in place first and come up to date with the Broadcomm v Qualcomm lawsuit (still ongoing) and find out why US does not have d3d and your phones were late in deployment. Blame the US not me pal!
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Well as it has been pointed out previously to this thread - the law suit between Qualcomm and Broadcomm affects only the US. Given that HTC is not a US company, and in fact I didnt BUY my phone in the US I bought it direct from HTC. Explain to me how the lawsuit affects them developing drivers for the chip? Also Why should I have to solve the issue myself - am I not entitled to support? If you bought a car with a 300 HP engine in it and found out they didnt provide a drive shaft and you had to install one yourself ... does that sound like a good deal. This is no different. We bought the HW based on the press releases/specs all of which mention the qualcomm chip and its capabilities.
I didnt mention suing - I am in fact for the most part against litigation. I simply want either HTC/Qualcomm/MS (but mostly HTC) to step up to their responsibilities. Sometimes an LS is the only way to get companies to do that - but I for one hope it doesnt come down to that.

Bratag said:
This is no different. We bought the HW based on the press releases/specs all of which mention the qualcomm chip and its capabilities.
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Have you actually looked and worked on this device at programming level or are you just one of the 'mob'??
Why do you think I am here??? The Qualcomm chip is working just as much as it is allowed to.!

Farsquidge said:
Have you actually looked and worked on this device at programming level or are you just one of the 'mob'??
Why do you think I am here??? The Qualcomm chip is working just as much as it is allowed to.!
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No - I am an end consumer. I shouldnt have to learn how to program driver code (which by the way I can do being a programmer of drivers under linux etc and a coder by trade - of course that would actually require HW specs which we also dont have - but back to the point).
Why in the name of hell should I be responsible for fixing this issue? To use the car analogy again. If you buy a car and its under warranty and the clutch breaks - should you have to learn how to replace its clutch or do you take it back to the dealer?
I know the chip is working as much as its allowed to - the problem is the allowed amount sucks, thats the goddamn issue. You dont hear me complaining about the GPS - I use my garmin software on it and couldnt be happier with it. This is about BAD DRIVER SUPPORT!!. Its no different to ATI or NVIDIA providing bad drivers for vista when it first came out. The community went nuts when everything that used to work well under xp stopped working well. Well quite frankly my graphic ssupport was better under my wizard and thats a 3 year old + phone now. What you see here is the community expressing its displeasure at bad drivers.
Oh and if you check the d3d thread you will see I am following it - And have added what little input I can given the total lack of communication from HTC. You can see in that thread that other windows mobile phones using the qualcomm chip seem to have 3d/graphics support, why exactly can LG ect manage it and HTC not?

Farsquidge said:
Have you actually looked and worked on this device at programming level or are you just one of the 'mob'??
Why do you think I am here??? The Qualcomm chip is working just as much as it is allowed to.!
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I could have sworn reading that it had 3d video drivers enabled listed in the specs.. maybe I read wrong

Bratag said:
No - I am an end consumer.
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Sorry didn't want to quote your whole message as it was a bit large but just took the relevant bit!!
As in the rest of your rant! you quote about buying a car!! If you bought a car, without test driving it first, how would the laws cover you in the US???
You are one of many who are jumping on this d3d lobby. If you dont like the phone, THROW IT AWAY!!! If you check (and I mean REALLY check)all adds for this device they are not claiming anything above what you have, you are following rumour) Don't moan about what you have spent on it as with anyone SENSIBLE enough to think WHY DID YOU PAY SO MUCH TO buy a phone that does not fulfill your requirements WITHOUT CHECKING what you want????
DOH!! You are embarrasing yourself...

http://www.htc.com/support/pdf/htctytnII/Kaiser_HTC_English_Manual_web.pdf
Check out page 219/220. See the supported video formats. Go ahead and try open a h.264 video in media player. The drivers cant even do the formats that they give in the user manual.
PS: A test drive has f**k all to do with the example I quoted. You can test drive a car and not have it break - but when it does should you be responsible for learning how to fix it? More to the point car manufacturers issue recalls to fix issues all the time. Even after a TEST DRIVE. I never said I didnt like the phone BUT IT HAS A GODDAMN ISSUE. Why can you not acknowledge that when 99.9% of the user base does. If you cant then just sod off and stop posting your htc fanboy crap in the threads. All you do is troll. I am out of this. You are the one embarassing yourself. So far you havent come up with a single valid argument - from the lawsuit to your rebuttal of my example.

hes not embarrasing himself.
you are just showing how much of an ass you seem to be.

Bratag said:
http://www.htc.com/support/pdf/htctytnII/Kaiser_HTC_English_Manual_web.pdf
Check out page 219/220. See the supported video formats. Go ahead and try open a h.264 video in media player. The drivers cant even do the formats that they give in the user manual.
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Again You are confusing HTC's quotation of WM6 OS of what it 'SHOULD' be able to do against what it 'CAN' do.... This has nothing to do with the Qualcomm chip and HTC as a whole, they are limited by the OS and its capabilities.
Check out my LinksysWVC54GC IP cam link thread. The downstreamed mjpeg video is excellent using TCPMP (OH BTW uses d3d!! as WM player in WM6 is still limited and can not!)
Go to basics and realise WM6 and its basic apps is still requiring major changes!!!
Soz if I upset, but just putting the facts.

I'm confused
Bratag... this is *NOT* the "HTC Kaiser Consumer Support" forum. If you have a problem with HTC's Support, I suggest you contact them directly.
This forum is for people that have the phone and want to develop their own programs for it etc.
To use your car analogy; this forum is like Fred down the road, he's replaced the windscreen wipers on his own car, in his own garage, with bright flash ones that the car manufacturer didn't make. He believes that makes his car a bit better than when he bought it...

Just a short fact on the topic, I have a library of movies encoded at around 475 kb/sec at 320x240 that I've used on Archos Players, PPCs, 8525, and now Kaiser with TCPMP and they play and look perfect.
I would like the correct drivers as well to increase general video performance, the Kaiser just cuts it close right now as-is.

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I'm confused
This forum is for people that have the phone and want to develop their own programs for it etc.
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I whole heartedly disagree
So the "xda-developers > General Discussion > Development and Hacking" is for??
Or the "xda-developers > Kaiser > Kaiser Upgrading" ?
And why are people getting all over Bratag anyway? He didn't intend to flame anyone, which can not be said by some other members.
Back on topic, I would be interested in what people's experiences are with encoding settings that DO work. It does su<& that I have to use two or more different encodings, and it is definitely disappointing that I can't even play a video file without intervention that my $150 camera can record and play, but if we get back to discussing encoding/transcoding to some particular formats and settings, we can actually help each other instead of bashing.
So for WM6, it sounds like bitrate is best to be <500. Does the fomat matter? I have heard Divx and/or AVI. Has anyone tried any others? Can a difference be seen between them?

I find some of the Freeware transcoders to be very 'hit n miss' such as PocketDivX and Pocket DVD, unable to keep audio/video sync on large files.
If you have all the necessary codecs for WM player on your PC so they will play on it (for most dowladed DivX files that end in .avi you will need latest DivX codec and an AC3 audio codec) then just sync them to your phone and they should play quite well in Pocket WM player and even better on TCPMP with RAW selected!

i think you need to calm down - its almost as if you dont want your device to support 3d or accelerated surfaces - what is wrong with you?

day by day review of diamond.

Coolsmartphone are doing a day by day review with a guy using it for a week. At least we'll find out about things like battery life!
days 1 and 2 are up, and u can ask quesions in the forum post for each day.
http://www.coolsmartphone.com/

Great review

Thx! Really Really nice review! Take a look ppl!
I for one have confirmed to buying this phone after watching this video. The video
showed that the keys are very responsive when dialing numbers, which is really important I think.

yeah, and you can ask him questions to answer in the next days review. If you can't be bothered to register to add a question, just ask here and i'll post it there.

I don't think he has been asked, what Version Tomtom Navigator he tried on it, and if this was delivered with the device or did he install it on his own?

lots of people have already asked that in day3..
Check here first:
http://www.coolsmartphone.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12471

Day 4
Day 4 has just been uploaded...

@ someone1234,
Could you ask the following questions on my behalf, many thanks...
1. During your day 4 video you COPIED a picture into a subdirectory called new folder and though it showed up in the TouchFlo 3D app. However you should have MOVED the picture rather than COPYING it as the app will have picked up the original, or you should have seen the image twice. Could you re-do the test as a MOVE rather than COPY.
2. Could you try some games on the screen to see how they behave under VGA, try worms world party from jamdat if you can download the demo, and see if its easy to aim, you should have 6/7 steps between horizontal and vertical aim.
3. Using TomTom could you compare the calculating route time between two devices calculating the same route. Also brows the map on the diamond, and zoom fully out from street level to the whole of the map (UK or Europe) to let us see how quickly it re-renders the map.

Did anyone else notice the HORRIBLE video playback? I did. It looks just as bad as the Kaiser. WTF!?

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Did anyone else notice the HORRIBLE video playback? I did. It looks just as bad as the Kaiser. WTF!?
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You need a media player that can utilise the hardware acceleration of the Qualcomm chipset, such as Core Player 1.2

posted!
btw did everyone notice in day 4, it seems all 5 UMTS bands are supported
Did they manage to put the correct antenna's in or maybe its just because its a test handset.
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@ someone1234,
Could you ask the following questions on my behalf, many thanks...
1. During your day 4 video you COPIED a picture into a subdirectory called ......
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juiceppc said:
Did anyone else notice the HORRIBLE video playback? I did. It looks just as bad as the Kaiser. WTF!?
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Yeah, but as imranbashir_uk said, Windows Media Player is not the best software to use. Does anyone know if the phone in these reviews has the same software as the version that will be sold? If it does, that video problem might put the most lazy consumers off getting it.

nope
havent u seen the splash screens, or video 1, it says test rom, not for sale on it
some athenas were shipped with test roms, but that was only by compusa who were closing down i think.
but shipping what is their biggest release so far of 08, with great new enhancements without being complete would be utterly stupid [wait isnt that what happened with kaiser video drivers? ]
Rory

No that was test firmware only. It says so when he powers up the device. Also I don’t think the full firmware is going to be any better unless they can somehow hack windows media player to utilise the hardware acceleration of the chipset.
To visualise what I’m talking about think about windows just after a fresh install, the resolution is VGA, and the colour depth is only 16-Bit, its only after you install the drivers for your graphics card (Radeon) that you get to actually utilise the hardware.
In terms of the Diamond, Core Player 1.2 recognises the enabled graphics acceleration within the Qualcomm chipset and the software is able to fully utilise it.

yep and its worth paying whatever it costs because it utilised my athenas imageon too.. [i dont think that has drivers either]

rorydaredkign said:
nope
havent u seen the splash screens, or video 1, it says test rom
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Yeah, obviously those would be changed (and yes, I did see them, so please stop treating me like a retard - why would I have asked that question if I had not seen them?), but I'm not familiar with how much these ROMs change between test and final versions. For some companies that change is very small, whereas for others (Planetside) there can be a lot of change.
Also, I've finished watching day 4 now, and I think the Touch Diamond did fairly well in the battery test. Obviously it lost, but it only used roughly 33% more battery power than the other phone and he was using them pretty heavily.

Won’t change that much unfortunately, most of HTC’s software is modular hence the reason it can be easily ported. The main difference I guess would be that the latest AKU of WM 6.1 will be incorporated.
If you think about it, its not in HTC’s interest to send out poor quality software to reviewers as most peoples judgments will be based on these reviews until they get to play with a mates version who was a early adopter.

Meh. Sendo sent out a phone to reviewers and subsequently went bust.

well another example is debug builds of all the exe's which spam logs with information about which functions are running, and contain extra structures to hold debug info. So you never really can be sure.
I'm sure that HTC will continue to tweak the rom with updates for a few months after release at the least.

Generally agree that they will continue to tweak the ROM, but would they really send debug builds to reviewers? Hmmm not too sure about that one...

New TyTNII Owner, Some Questions...

Howdy, guys. First post here, hoping to lean on y'all for some help.
I'm new to the WM phone category, but have been using a mobile computer since the days of the HP200LX, then to a Philips Nino, Casio E100, HX4700 and now the TyTNII. My use is both personal and line-of-business as a highly mobile 'day trip' laptop replacement.
I already have a considerable investment in PPC software from WM5 (list below), but given this is going to be a constant travelling companion unlike my HX4700 which I'd leave behind often because of it's size, I'd like to replicate that utility on the new device.
Suffice to say I'm no stranger to PocketPC (or whatever MS is calling it these days), but I have a couple questions. Short and simple:
1) What's the difference between the TomTom 'Taster' version and the full version (V.6) shrinkwrap?
2) What usability software would you recommend? Looking for something to make the smaller screen easier to navigate. I currently own:
1-Calc (PPC and desktop)
Pocket Mechanic
Virtual Explorer
Ewallet
Flex Mail
Pocket Informant
ListPro (Pro)
SPB: (PocketPlus, Backup, Finance, Weather)
Calligrapher
PhatPad/PhatNotes
Tweaks2k2
NetFront
(Yes, they're all legitimate, purchased, licensed copies)
3) What ROM updates would you recommend? I've already flashed 6.1 off the HTC site, but find the machine hangs a bit from time to time. Though I tend to prefer my installs lean and mean, the utilities in the HTC unit are very nice, like the camera and wireless control panel to turn on and off the various radios.
Well, that's it for now. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

Howdy Bill,
BillTheCat said:
2) What usability software would you recommend? Looking for something to make the smaller screen easier to navigate. I currently own:
1-Calc (PPC and desktop)
Pocket Mechanic
Virtual Explorer
Ewallet
Flex Mail
Pocket Informant
ListPro (Pro)
SPB: (PocketPlus, Backup, Finance, Weather)
Calligrapher
PhatPad/PhatNotes
Tweaks2k2
NetFront
(Yes, they're all legitimate, purchased, licensed copies)
3) What ROM updates would you recommend? I've already flashed 6.1 off the HTC site, but find the machine hangs a bit from time to time. Though I tend to prefer my installs lean and mean, the utilities in the HTC unit are very nice, like the camera and wireless control panel to turn on and off the various radios.
Well, that's it for now. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
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That's quite a list you got there.
For easier navigation you might want to try
1) Ultimate Launch
2) SPB Mobile Shell (i see you have the other SPB softwares..)
3) WisBar Advance
You will find some good therads in XDA on all the softwares mentioned above.
3) What ROM updates would you recommend?
Since you already have the latest official ROM, you might want check out the cooked ROMS here.
Here's link that gives you good info on most available ROMS for the Kaiser.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=399510
Also, be sure to read all about Hard SPL before you try flashing a cooked ROM
Here's the link : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396922

The Reaper said:
Since you already have the latest official ROM, you might want check out the cooked ROMS here.
Here's link that gives you good info on most available ROMS for the Kaiser.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=399510
Also, be sure to read all about Hard SPL before you try flashing a cooked ROM
Here's the link : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396922
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Thanks for the feedback. I confess as much as I like the idea of having a ROM with only what I want, it makes me a bit nervous. I've twaddled with re-flashing my RAZR in times past, and even used 'cooked' ROM versions on my HX4700, but neither of them were a $600+ phone. What is the risk on any of these procedures? Is it possible to brick the phone?

BillTheCat said:
Thanks for the feedback. I confess as much as I like the idea of having a ROM with only what I want, it makes me a bit nervous. I've twaddled with re-flashing my RAZR in times past, and even used 'cooked' ROM versions on my HX4700, but neither of them were a $600+ phone. What is the risk on any of these procedures? Is it possible to brick the phone?
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Only if you don't follow the instructions. Read, re-read and follow exactly and nothing should go wrong. There are some brilliant people (GSLEON3's are burning) on here who can help you if something untoward happens.
All of the information you could ever need is in the stickies and Wiki. If you get stuck with anything find the thread for it and ask.
There is even a process for Reverting back to the OEM SPL and ROM/Radio for a warranty return.
Ta
Dave

BillTheCat said:
Thanks for the feedback. I confess as much as I like the idea of having a ROM with only what I want, it makes me a bit nervous. I've twaddled with re-flashing my RAZR in times past, and even used 'cooked' ROM versions on my HX4700, but neither of them were a $600+ phone. What is the risk on any of these procedures? Is it possible to brick the phone?
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I used to have to get back to a computer to check email regularly - I did not realize how often this actually affected my day. With the TILT I no longer have THAT problem - I get emails and can respond to them easily and rapidly. I highly recommend the TILT for business people as it has definitely improved my ability to conduct business.
I recently went to a convention and needed internet access for a demonstration. The show (Seattle Convention Center) charges $800.00 for three days worth of internet access. I used internet sharing on my Tilt and at no charge did the demo. Priceless... (well - saved $800.00 right there)
Personally I have found that I do not need anything other than what is in my current ROM (see my signature) although I use TomTom for navigation when I go on client sites as I am directionally challenged and don't care for mapquest. I also use TRAVKME - nice program.
The TOMTOM taster version vs real version? The real version works - nuff said.
Can you brick your phone - come on guy - read some . You will see lots up here about people bricking their phone. I am a newbie myself and have now flashed three times with no problems - you will need to read a lot but it seems to work for lots of other people. Not reading enough will be your downfall.
Good luck,
Bill

whk said:
Can you brick your phone - come on guy - read some .
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Bill, no need to be condescending. I'm not lazy, just cautious. I have enough experience to know what I don't know, and to know that what I don't know can hurt me very much. There's been more than one buggy bootloader and cooked ROM in the history of Windows Mobile. Besides, there seems to be some controversy over HardSPL in terms of how it works. I'd like to hear some discussion on that.
I guess what it boils down to is figuring out what I do and don't want on the machine, and which ROM fits those needs. Because I have so much full-version 3rd party software, there's not much I really need in the ROM. For example, zip is handled by VirtualExplorer.
Still looking for a more crisp reply on the TomTom issue, though. I've read on another board (Extensis) that it's the same as the full version but limited to one small map. But I'd like to see that corroborated by at least one or two more people, or someone who has firsthand knowledge. The reason is simple economics. TomTom is charging $140 for the full version, but only $70 for a map. If I have the core application, that's a fairly attractive savings.
Thanks for the ideas. I'll poke around and see what works.

Tomtom taster only gives you one map, mostly just a city, the other version provides The entire country or more sometimes.

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Bill, no need to be condescending. ..snip.. Besides, there seems to be some controversy over HardSPL in terms of how it works. I'd like to hear some discussion on that.
I guess what it boils down to is figuring out what I do and don't want on the machine, ..snip..
Still looking for a more crisp reply on the TomTom issue, though. I've read on another board (Extensis) that it's the same as the full version but limited to one small map. But I'd like to see that corroborated by at least one or two more people, or someone who has firsthand knowledge. The reason is simple economics. TomTom is charging $140 for the full version, but only $70 for a map. If I have the core application, that's a fairly attractive savings.
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Sorry that you thought it was condescending... It was not meant to be. BUT - you asked if you can brick your phone and if you had read it would be OBVIOUS to you that you CAN brick your phone as there are many sad tales of those who did not read or had other issues.
There is NOT a lot of controversy on HARDSPL - please read the thread on that - you will find that a lot more is known about it now and there appears to be resolution - you need to know which HARDSPL to load for which ROM you are loading and you will be all set.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396922
The ROM choice is yours and you will have to play/read and try until you are happy. Opinions on ROMs will certainly vary. YOUR opinion will be the only one that you value.
The TEST VERSION will NOT work with full maps - you will need to purchase a full version if you want a TOMTOM that actually works. Not sure how to say that more clearly - if TOMTOM was stupid enough to give you a test version that worked the same as the full version why would ANYONE purchase the full version?
YES - there are HACKS out there that will allow you to circumvent their scheme to make you pay them money - but that is stealing and you would not do that would you? (One of your other posts I think made a great show of how all the software you had was legal and purchased - you would not want to start down a different road now would you?)
Bill

ChumleyEX said:
Tomtom taster only gives you one map, mostly just a city, the other version provides The entire country or more sometimes.
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Ok, but is the core code and feature set the same? Is the "tasting" referring only the map size? IOW, if I were to buy the full US map, does Taster+ENTIREUSMAP=TT6? Or would I be missing something?

whk said:
Sorry that you thought it was condescending...
There is NOT a lot of controversy on HARDSPL - please read the thread on that - you will find that a lot more is known about it now and there appears to be resolution - you need to know which HARDSPL to load for which ROM you are loading and you will be all set.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396922
The TEST VERSION will NOT work with full maps - you will need to purchase a full version if you want a TOMTOM that actually works. Not sure how to say that more clearly - if TOMTOM was stupid enough to give you a test version that worked the same as the full version why would ANYONE purchase the full version?
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No harm done. Just didn't sound quite right at first read.
I guess I just didn't get far enough along in that thread yet. There are more than just a few posts.
I think you may be mistaken on the TomTom issue. It's a 'tAster', not 'tEster' version. I think what they've done is to give the core program but charge for the map only. I'm on hold with TomTom as I type this and will get back to you guys once I have an answer from them, or if I don't get a clear answer from them, I'll contact HTC directly.
At the end of the day, I'm in a 'holding pattern' of sorts. I don't want to invest a huge amount of time installing and configuring software for the current ROM implementation only to have to do it all over again with a redacted version.

BillTheCat said:
No harm done. Just didn't sound quite right at first read.
I guess I just didn't get far enough along in that thread yet. There are more than just a few posts.
I think you may be mistaken on the TomTom issue. It's a 'tAster', not 'tEster' version. I think what they've done is to give the core program but charge for the map only. I'm on hold with TomTom as I type this and will get back to you guys once I have an answer from them, or if I don't get a clear answer from them, I'll contact HTC directly.
At the end of the day, I'm in a 'holding pattern' of sorts. I don't want to invest a huge amount of time installing and configuring software for the current ROM implementation only to have to do it all over again with a redacted version.
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Taster tester...toMAYto toMAto - Quite sure that I am NOT wrong and that you will want to get the NAV6 full version. but - no worries. I think that you will also find (as others have) that TOMTOM tech support and HTC support on this issue are as useful as a third navel (the first navel was useless...) If you can purchase the full maps and have them work with the TASTER version - not sure about that - but you are going to pay for the full version of the maps the same as if you purchased the full version of the software including the maps - I think anyway.
From what I have seen the AT&T stock ROM was pretty good - I actually liked it. I upgraded to the DEATH ROM because it was AT&T based and looked like it had some improvements that I thought I would like - version 4 I upgraded to last evening.
Personally - (I have not run any of Dutty's or other ROMs) the DEATH ROM rocks.
1. fast
2. stable
3. hesitations gone
4. fast switching
5. radio clear and flawless
6. bluetooth works a treat on three different sets that I use regularly
7. fast connection on GPS
8. using the 3.5 dialer (the version 4 dialer is sad in my opinion as I like large buttons) the phone is awesome
9. email works a treat
The only "bug" I have at the moment is the crazy screen going off on me when I am on a phone call - and the chef is looking at that.
My recommendation -
1. upgarde your current ROM to DEATH 4.1 and
2. purchase full version of NAV6 from TOMTOM.
Pretty sure you will be happy camper.
Bill

I am using the TomTom 'taster' version supplied with my Kaiser quite happily with a full version of UK & Ireland map with no problems

whk said:
Taster tester...toMAYto toMAto - Quite sure that I am NOT wrong and that you will want to get the NAV6 full version... TOMTOM tech support and HTC support on this issue are as useful as a third navel (the first navel was useless...)
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Wow. You're not kidding about support. On the phone now with a guy at HTC and he was insisting that GPS was a service provided by my carrier and became rather belligerent when I suggested he was mistaken. What an idjit. I disabused him of his notion and we're still delving into this. I asked him to please confer with one of his colleagues. Stay tuned. This is getting more interesting.

BillTheCat said:
Ok, but is the core code and feature set the same? Is the "tasting" referring only the map size? IOW, if I were to buy the full US map, does Taster+ENTIREUSMAP=TT6? Or would I be missing something?
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Well I didn't program it so I can't say if the core programing is the same but from what I've seen it's just the fact that you don't have all the maps.
Taster tester...toMAYto toMAto - Quite sure that I am NOT wrong and that you will want to get the NAV6 full version. but - no worries. I think that you will also find (as others have) that TOMTOM tech support and HTC support on this issue are as useful as a third navel (the first navel was useless...) If you can purchase the full maps and have them work with the TASTER version - not sure about that - but you are going to pay for the full version of the maps the same as if you purchased the full version of the software including the maps - I think anyway.
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How was your first Naval useless, didn't you get fed in your moms belly? I'm sure that was useful.

whk said:
Taster tester...toMAYto toMAto - Quite sure that I am NOT wrong and that you will want to get the NAV6 full version... Personally - (I have not run any of Dutty's or other ROMs) the DEATH ROM rocks.
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Bill (and everyone), I have an update on the TomTom issue and some followup questions.
After speaking with both TomTom and HTC, it seems I was right, "Taster"+USMAP=TT6. Yes, you get some utilities like PC based map loaders and managers on disc if you buy the shrinkwrap version, but they're also downloadable from TomTom directly. The program itself really is TT6, and I verified as much because I've seen and used TT6 on my HX4700 previously.
Now, on to ROM upgrades.
I read the thread on SPL and ROMs. My hair huts. First, permit me to clarify a base assumption that may be incorrect. Bear with me, because I'm thinking out loud here.
My understanding of the primary purpose of 'cooked' ROMs is that they're an opportunity to have redacted software set, meaning that a smaller ROM = smaller RAM footprint, leaving more space for storage and operating memory which should conceivably enhance performance. Another benefit is having patches or driver updates loaded on the unit that are better than the OEM version.
I guess the things that I could do without are these below, but I'd welcome discussion on the relative merits of each:
- Getting Started (A bit late for this now!)
- SMS Service (Wouldn't FlexMail do just as well?)
- Windows Live (Do you really need this?)
- Voice Speed Dial (MS Voice Command instead?)
- File Explorer & Zip (Both these are handled by Virtual Explorer)
- Windows Update (If it worked, would we be here?)
Because I have so much already invested in PPC software, I tend to think that I'm better off with a very minimalistic ROM version and install what I want. Or am I misunderstanding the concept in thinking that a smaller ROM will return greater storage/runspace for programs?
I guess what I'm getting at, is that if the above things that I'd remove don't consume any appreciable space, then can I not achieve better perfornamce with only an upgraded SPL?
Help a dumb ol' boy out, here.
<scratching head>
Thanks!

ChumleyEX said:
How was your first Naval useless, didn't you get fed in your moms belly? I'm sure that was useful.
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Naw - the UMBILICAL CORD was useful - the navel is totally useless - a SECOND one would be more so and a THIRD navel - well - 'nuff said!
Bill

BillTheCat said:
Bill (and everyone), I have an update on the TomTom issue and some followup questions.
After speaking with both TomTom and HTC, it seems I was right, "Taster"+USMAP=TT6. Yes, you get some utilities like PC based map loaders and managers on disc if you buy the shrinkwrap version, but they're also downloadable from TomTom directly. The program itself really is TT6, and I verified as much because I've seen and used TT6 on my HX4700 previously.
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So - to see if I understand -
The full package costs MORE THAN the taster plus the full maps?
Bill

whk said:
So - to see if I understand -
The full package costs MORE THAN the taster plus the full maps?
Bill
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Yes, because the 'taster' version is free, bundled with the phone. It's a common marketing strategy.
I'm sure you've seen it before with other software. Take the case of current PPC software - you get the trial version of 'x' backup program that limits you to 'y' meg of backup, but if you want the full version, just pay and get the registration code to unlock it. The code is the same, there's just a flag that limits it. In this case the limitation on function is simply the size of the map. With TomTom it's the MAP that's protected and requires an unlock code, not so much the program itself.
As I said, I've confirmed by installing the 'taster' version and using a sample map. Having used TomTom 6 on my HX4700 extensively I can tell you that there is nothing missing in this version here at all, except the size of the map. To obtain other maps, it looks like all one has to do is to (pay for and) download the map you need.

whk said:
Naw - the UMBILICAL CORD was useful - the navel is totally useless - a SECOND one would be more so and a THIRD navel - well - 'nuff said!
Bill
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dude that was the socket for the cord, if there was a second cord them maybe you would have gotten better food, etc etc.
This is a very worthless thread. lets argue about the taster, I already told you the dif about 6 posts ago.

Yes, because the 'taster' version is free, bundled with the phone. It's a common marketing strategy.
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It's a DEMO. Tom-Tom intends to sell you the working software if you like what you "taste" while using the demo. What is it that you don't understand regarding Tom-Tom, marketing strategies and how they apply to you?

How to 'WOW' a Windows Mobile User?

Hey Guys.
Long time reader. Sometimes contributer. Tried cooking my own one weekend... Failed a bunch of times, realized that there are way more talented people cooking roms that are better then mine.
My question to the community is this. What do you have, can you do with, or make your Windows Moble Phone do that will really WOW a regular windows mobile user such as myself?!
Linux/Google Android is getting close to complete and it is a new interface but it still doesn't really WOW?! Windows Mobile 7? when? where? what will THAT look like? Anyone controlling their house? lights? garage door? climate conditions? Anyone have a Kaiser that transforms into a tiny bot with a gatlling gun? I mean what does it take to really impress someone with a Kaiser?
Since the 8525 came out and even a little before (verizon 6600, 6700, 6800 & treo 700w) I have been addicted to flashing my phone to find a faster, better looking and more reliable rom. Threaded SMS, good job. Better Photo Album software, awesome. Something other then the default file explorer, pocket ie and media player, FANTASTIC! more RAM and ROM space, higher MicroSD capacity, totally cool! but I'm at the point where you just want more! It's like some addictive drug I guess.
anyone want me to be a tester?! for anything? where do i sign up?
now that i re-read this.. maybe i should have put this in the general forum...

ehr... How about you try installing that Manilla-thingy?
Wow effect kinda depends on what you're used to..
Hope you find your 'WOW!' ...and let us all know ;-) Good luck!

SlyDogJeff77 said:
Hey Guys.
Long time reader. Sometimes contributer. Tried cooking my own one weekend... Failed a bunch of times, realized that there are way more talented people cooking roms that are better then mine.
My question to the community is this. What do you have, can you do with, or make your Windows Moble Phone do that will really WOW a regular windows mobile user such as myself?!
Linux/Google Android is getting close to complete and it is a new interface but it still doesn't really WOW?! Windows Mobile 7? when? where? what will THAT look like? Anyone controlling their house? lights? garage door? climate conditions? Anyone have a Kaiser that transforms into a tiny bot with a gatlling gun? I mean what does it take to really impress someone with a Kaiser?
Since the 8525 came out and even a little before (verizon 6600, 6700, 6800 & treo 700w) I have been addicted to flashing my phone to find a faster, better looking and more reliable rom. Threaded SMS, good job. Better Photo Album software, awesome. Something other then the default file explorer, pocket ie and media player, FANTASTIC! more RAM and ROM space, higher MicroSD capacity, totally cool! but I'm at the point where you just want more! It's like some addictive drug I guess.
anyone want me to be a tester?! for anything? where do i sign up?
now that i re-read this.. maybe i should have put this in the general forum...
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i run HARET and everyone goes WOW!

here's a list of what made me go "wow!" over the years: htc home, htc cube.throttlelauncher,spb mobile shell,android,etc up until touchflo3d aka manila2d which is the last coolest thing i played with.

manilla 2d
andriod
a little program called basils smser is alot of fun, its a bomber flooder, type what message you want to send and how many times you want to send it. it also has practical uses such as voting for american idol haha i got just over 20 thousand votes in for the last finale
another program called oist allows you to remotely control your phone through txt messages
SKYFIRE! the skyfire revolution my friend is a must
the panoramic camera function is fun to play with
also their is a program that you take a picture of a buisnes card and it automatically picks everything up and fills in all the information.....
a prgram that acts as a remote for your tv.....
their is alot of stuff out their really..... with windows mobile if you can imagine it there is just about a program to do it

you know what? ...... almost everytime someone posts something different here on XDA... its makes me go WOW.....why? you ask? becuase its windows based! (meaning we can rape the [email protected]$# out of it...haha) and i love not having restrictions at all as we do with these phones in general..... so when someone ask me to get away from htc or windows based phones... i say HELLLLL NOOOO just for that reason!!!!!
ps.... if you do your research you would be able to ask for a #2 with no tomatoes if you wanted it to...... hypothetically speaking!!!!!

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you know what? ...... almost everytime someone posts something different here on XDA... its makes me go WOW.....why? you ask? becuase its windows based! (meaning we can rape the [email protected]$# out of it...haha) and i love not having restrictions at all as we do with these phones in general..... so when someone ask me to get away from htc or windows based phones... i say HELLLLL NOOOO just for that reason!!!!!
ps.... if you do your research you would be able to ask for a #2 with no tomatoes if you wanted it to...... hypothetically speaking!!!!!
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here's a list of what made me go "wow!" over the years: htc home, htc cube.throttlelauncher,spb mobile shell,android,etc up until touchflo3d aka manila2d which is the last coolest thing i played with.
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My list is shorter:
when I got my first WM 2003 SE PocketPC for Phone Edition (or whatever that horrible name was) I expected and waited for BSOD for about a week until I finally shook my head in disbelief it didn't happen
And I'm with WinMo since - that's my one and only WOW...
@ OP
Don't be naive. It's a Windoze mini computer with a phone. The worst existing Operating System on the market, perhaps ever in the computing history. Isn't it a "WOW!" already? It's a miracle in itself that it works
And as previous poster said - that's also exactly why we all use it, don't we? To have possibility to hack, crack, f*ck and whatever else we can with it. Same as with our big computers. We use linux for daily stuff (or a Mac at worst, if youre into eyecandy limited crap), and Windozes for the apps that are handy and not avail. there. Its exactly the same with our small computers, aka PPC or Smartphones.
So, honestly, if youre into WinMo phones for some "kewl" "wow factor", youre in the wrong place, and with wrong device in your hand.
I say go get an iCrap 3G and start pleasuring it (/edit: I mean fingering it, like all those Apple nuts do) and start showing off if you're into "wow" instead of what you can do with it or use it for , and of course if you're not the last on the block to have that crappy "i" phone that consists entirely of "kewl" look but no substance at all ;-) ... because seriously, as far as "kewl factor" goes, no one beats Apple (in both uselessness and "wow" factor in the same time) and current "best looking UI" on WinMo - Manila - (notice I didn't say it is best at all, just best looking) is still not as cool as iPoo's UI (because it can NOT be - can you even imagine using i.e. Word or Excel with just touch screen and no stylus? Not to mention lack of copy'n'paste ROTFL)
And don't count on Android. As linux-based OS, it will never be as popular as cranky WinMo - because most people use Windozes and ppl stick with what they know usually. I'm sure it will be best and most stable OS out of all mobile platforms, yet it won't be more popular in the mobile world than linux is among PC users (I wish I'm wrong...)
If anything - maybe one day that old Symbian, if it still have some juice left in it, may surprise us one day with stable and "WOW'y" OS...
Just my 0.02
oh and yeah, why is it in development? Im not even sure it even fits "general", it should have been in iPhone section... oh yeah <smack myself in the head> thankfully we don't have any iPoo section

I can lock and unlock my car doors, open my car doors, roll my windows up and down, start the engine, turn it off, turn on and off the headlights and control my stereo from my WinMo's touch screen. details are to be remain in my head since it took me a year to make it possible. When I show it to people, I don't just get a "WOW" I get lots of "HOLY **** "

cproaudio yesterday.

my wow
winmobile torrent but i would like to find a program that will convert video files on the kaiser directly without the need for a comp.

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I can lock and unlock my car doors, open my car doors, roll my windows up and down, start the engine, turn it off, turn on and off the headlights and control my stereo from my WinMo's touch screen. details are to be remain in my head since it took me a year to make it possible. When I show it to people, I don't just get a "WOW" I get lots of "HOLY **** "
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I always knew that the first 'K' in KITT stood for Kaiser...