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I post this in Off-topic because its not related to the phones.
I recently received a Racism/Stereotypical Infraction for saying that I do not want to deal with Indians if AT&T merges with T-mobile, and that Indian calling centers are horrible.
So who do I contact to dispute it? Would I get ban next time if I say Indians, Americans, Mexicans, Italians? Its ridiculous.

AntonJart said:
I post this in Off-topic because its not related to the phones.
I recently received a Racism/Stereotypical Infraction for saying that I do not want to deal with Indians if AT&T merges with T-mobile, and that Indian calling centers are horrible.
So who do I contact to dispute it? Would I get ban next time if I say Indians, Americans, Mexicans, Italians? Its ridiculous.
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Get used to it, buddy.
I lost count of the number of unfair infractions that I got for posting up jokes.
As long as someone is pissed...
*shrugs*

Let me guess , it was in general or networking ?
If you got infraction points u should write to an admin , similar rediculous stuff happened me but didnt get points so i didnt make a deal about it
My favourite one is when a guy opens a blatantly obvious flame bait iphone thread in general(what does xda have to do with iphones?) , i advise him theres an iphone-developers site not so far, and i get an infraction .... gfg

You think it's a good idea to repeat what you said here when you've already been warned about it?
In before the ban

DirkGently1 said:
You think it's a good idea to repeat what you said here when you've already been warned about it?
In before the ban
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People in this thread would probably not get pissed. I wouldn't if someone cracked jokes about Malaysia or Chinese, because it will be real funny.
I suppose that being overly politically correct would be just stifling, especially since a lot of people are defined by their cultural stereotypes. On that note, if we would be completely homogeneous, there would be no differentiation and soylent green would be an acceptably delicious food item.
Of course, I laughed at the OP's crack at Indians. I still remember Slumdog Millionaire
It doesn't help that the OP could possibly be right, and sometimes Indians have a way of over-rrrrrolling their rrrrrs in a funny way to the point that it is difficult to understand.
/Dealt with Indians
//Yes, they do rrrrrrrroll theirrrrr rrrrrrrs
///While rrrrrrolling theirrrrr heads
////Afterrrrrrr a while, you tend to rrrrroll with them

Surely you do understand that if xda does not punish you in some way for making a rascist comment then they are seen to be condoning it, and therefore being rascist themselves?
The slightest remark that tarnishes any particular race of people has to be considered rascist, whether the intention was to hurt or not.
They're just doing their "job". Get over it, move on, and don't do it again

johncmolyneux said:
Surely you do understand that if xda does not punish you in some way for making a rascist comment then they are seen to be condoning it, and therefore being rascist themselves?
The slightest remark that tarnishes any particular race of people has to be considered rascist, whether the intention was to hurt or not.
They're just doing their "job". Get over it, move on, and don't do it again
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+1
10char. Or so

johncmolyneux said:
Surely you do understand that if xda does not punish you in some way for making a rascist comment then they are seen to be condoning it, and therefore being rascist themselves?
The slightest remark that tarnishes any particular race of people has to be considered rascist, whether the intention was to hurt or not.
They're just doing their "job". Get over it, move on, and don't do it again
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Noob i see you fail to understand his point , so lemme help ya out ,
His problem was he was labelled as racist commenter while he wasnt one. It had nothing to do with what your talking about , it. was. not. racism. Get that in your head .
He was pointing out the fact that he'd rather not deal with a callcenter whos employees do not speak english as a first language , and thats perfectly understandable , who wouldnt try to avoid the hassle situations like that bring unavoidably ? Even if you dont mind , its his choice .
Let me know how its going and leave me a note if you need further assistance on this mattter

souljaboy said:
He was pointing out the fact that he'd rather not deal with a callcenter whos employees do not speak english as a first language , and thats perfectly understandable
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That's not what I read. What I read was the actual words that were on this page. ..
AntonJart said:
I do not want to deal with Indians if AT&T merges with T-mobile, and that Indian calling centers are horrible.
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Which is why I responded with...
johncmolyneux said:
The slightest remark that tarnishes any particular race of people has to be considered rascist, whether the intention was to hurt or not.
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If he doesn't have the wherewithal to say "I'd rather speak to a native english speaking person than someone who may have an accent that I don't understand", then he should keep his comments to himself. I do suspect, however, that he's perfectly capable of being clear about his issue, and does not require people to make up stories about what he meant when he said something else.

johncmolyneux said:
That's not what I read. What I read was the actual words that were on this page. ..
Which is why I responded with...
If he doesn't have the wherewithal to say "I'd rather speak to a native english speaking person than someone who may have an accent that I don't understand", then he should keep his comments to himself. I do suspect, however, that he's perfectly capable of being clear about his issue, and does not require people to make up stories about what he meant when he said something else.
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Chill bro... souljaboy is the No.1 troll in XDA off-topic... ignore him

Before this thread gets closed...
Perhaps just saying:
"I'm sorry, I did not intend for what I said to sound racist, I'll try to be more careful in future how I say things"
Would probably avoided the points etc. But yeah, don't worry about it, it'll not go into your school report and I'm sure no one will bring it up if you become President.
It is all subjective, like bad language, sometimes I don't even notice it on TV and sometimes even the slightest not-even-a-swear-word can annoy me.
I'm sure you didn't intend to be racist and if that is the case, no problem. It was probably the potential discussion that could have developed rather than the comment itself.
sakai4eva said:
Chill bro... souljaboy is the No.1 troll in XDA off-topic... ignore him
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meltwater said:
Perhaps just saying:
"I'm sorry, I did not intend for what I said to sound racist, I'll try to be more careful in future how I say things"
Would probably avoided the points etc.
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you do know the mods dont send you a pm asking if you regret what you said before issuing an infraction ?

sakai4eva said:
Chill bro... souljaboy is the No.1 troll in XDA off-topic... ignore him
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Yeah, I figured that one already, cheers. Trolls have feelings too though!

sakai ... no.1 backstabber

souljaboy said:
you do know the mods dont send you a pm asking if you regret what you said before issuing an infraction ?
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Until they are replaced with modbots, they might respond to reason.
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[Q] Can I say "Cheers" Even if I'm not British?

Haha, so this is an honest question.
Can I say "cheers" at the end of an email/post/or whatever, even if I'm not from the UK or Australia/New Zealand?
Or will people from around those parts judge me...? LOL.

I say yes! It can be used as 'Thank you' or 'Toast your health'.
Others could be Slante or even Bottoms Up, (as long as the person you're talking to isn't likely to think you're giving them an order).

DS1495 said:
Haha, so this is an honest question.
Can I say "cheers" at the end of an email/post/or whatever, even if I'm not from the UK or Australia/New Zealand?
Or will people from around those parts judge me...? LOL.
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Sure you can.
Cheers.

I'll judge you...
Unless you put 'eh' or 'aboot' after it
Cheers!

Too true. Some people speak proper British English, with proper English.
Cheers.

sakai4eva said:
Too true. Some people speak proper British English, with proper English.
Cheers.
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Too lazy for that, mate

My good chap, if there's anything worth doing, it's worth doing right. And if there's anything worth doing, then it should be speaking the Queen's English like it should be spoken, not like some buffoon that can barely utter a simple sentence without butchering grammar, spelling and structure.
Cheers.

sakai4eva said:
My good chap, if there's anything worth doing, it's worth doing right. And if there's anything worth doing, then it should be speaking the Queen's English like it should be spoken, not like some buffoon that can barely utter a simple sentence without butchering grammar, spelling and structure.
Cheers.
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wot the bloody ell do u fink british peeple tawk like mate?
we aint got nobody left hoo no's how 2 talk gd and spell cuz the guvment took all da moneys out from the skools and that innit?
it were that bloody thatcher wunnit. place has gn to tha an that dogs yeah....
Dinnae even get me started on the Scots...
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conantroutman said:
wot the bloody ell do u fink british peeple tawk like mate?
we aint got nobody left hoo no's how 2 talk gd and spell cuz the guvment took all da moneys out from the skools and that innit?
it were that bloody thatcher wunnit. place has gn to tha an that dogs yeah....
Dinnae even get me started on the Scots...
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Thanks for that, i feel right at home now!
Cheers everybody! Bottoms up.....*
*Not to be taken literally or as an order!

DS1495 said:
Haha, so this is an honest question.
Can I say "cheers" at the end of an email/post/or whatever, even if I'm not from the UK or Australia/New Zealand?
Or will people from around those parts judge me...? LOL.
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You're Canadian, as part of the British Commonwealth of course you can say "Cheers" in fact you should use it as often as possible, along with "crickey" "crivens" and "bloody"
In return we will fit "Son of a gun" into as many conversations as possible (my great uncle moved to Canada and it did him the world of good, at 86 he had a heart attack so they fitted a pacemaker but I think they set it to turbo! He came over when he was 91, didn't look a day over 61, and didn't act a day over 21! Though all Canadian women I've met have been nutty as a fruitcake!)
I remember trading some stock through a US company, and the chap I was speaking with, from Texas I think, gingerly said "Cheers" at the end of the conversation, so it's not true that all Americans don't speak English

xaccers said:
You're Canadian, as part of the British Commonwealth of course you can say "Cheers" in fact you should use it as often as possible, along with "crickey" "crivens" and "bloody"
In return we will fit "Son of a gun" into as many conversations as possible (my great uncle moved to Canada and it did him the world of good, at 86 he had a heart attack so they fitted a pacemaker but I think they set it to turbo! He came over when he was 91, didn't look a day over 61, and didn't act a day over 21! Though all Canadian women I've met have been nutty as a fruitcake!)
I remember trading some stock through a US company, and the chap I was speaking with, from Texas I think, gingerly said "Cheers" at the end of the conversation, so it's not true that all Americans don't speak English
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My cousin in Canada is probably as 'nutty' as you suggest, but had the good sense to leave the UK, marry a developers son and now lives in a bespoke, hand-crafted and beautiful home on the side of a mountain that they own, overlooking an amazing lake and away from the urban rat-race! I take the mickey out of her accent but to be honest, she pwned me, big-time!
(Her brother btw is the town doctor in a nice rural village where he keeps his own hours, goes skiing whenever he feels like it, has a home provided by the state, and whenever he meets one of the townsfolk in the street they invite him to dinner!
Am i jealous though....?
You betcha ass i am! Good luck to them them though they deserve it all!*
*At least i speak English proper. Ahem, proper English..Cough, errr, the Queen English...? (Let me know when i get it right...)

DirkGently1 said:
My cousin in Canada is probably as 'nutty' as you suggest, but had the good sense to leave the UK, marry a developers son and now lives in a bespoke, hand-crafted and beautiful home on the side of a mountain that they own, overlooking an amazing lake and away from the urban rat-race! I take the mickey out of her accent but to be honest, she pwned me, big-time!
(Her brother btw is the town doctor in a nice rural village where he keeps his own hours, goes skiing whenever he feels like it, has a home provided by the state, and whenever he meets one of the townsfolk in the street they invite him to dinner!
Am i jealous though....?
You betcha ass i am! Good luck to them them though they deserve it all!*
*At least i speak English proper. Ahem, proper English..Cough, errr, the Queen English...? (Let me know when i get it right...)
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Son of a gun!

juzz86 said:
I'll judge you...
Unless you put 'eh' or 'aboot' after it
Cheers!
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Haha, Juzz, it's funny because I do say "eh" a lot. Although I've never, ever, heard someone say "aboot". I've always wondered where that rumor ever came from... Nobody says it. Haha.
The worst is when Americans say "ruff" instead of "roof" lol, that grinds my gears.
-Cheers
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That's weird, I just stumbled on an article a couple days ago about the study of accents and their development (now I wish I saved that link). Apparently the current british accent didn't evolve into what we know of it now until after the american revolution. So the american accent is how the british spoke before that change...

No! Because Apple has a patent on the British and won't allow them to patent words. But Apple did patent "cheers".

DS1495 said:
Haha, Juzz, it's funny because I do say "eh" a lot. Although I've never, ever, heard someone say "aboot". I've always wondered where that rumor ever came from... Nobody says it. Haha.
The worst is when Americans say "ruff" instead of "roof" lol, that grinds my gears.
-Cheers
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I'm sure I remember an aboot or two in Degrassi Junior High.
What gets me is that americans call this:
the same as this:
Where even a 5 year old can tell the difference

Samsung is Evil

I stood behind Samsung when Apple bringing unjust charges on against them. I thought Samsung was the defender of Android and the truth but I was WRONG.
Recently, I learned that Samsung promised to take a blogger to the IFA as an independent reporter. This means that the blogger could basically cover whatever he wanted. However, Samsung LIED to him. He was taken to the IFA but he was only allowed to demonstrate Samsung products to the press. He was not actually able to review any products and instead was treated as a Samsung employee.
They even told him that if he doesn't do what he is told then Samsung will leave him in this foreign country. EVIL!!!
Don't believe me? Take a look at the source:
Samsung is Evil

Scratch that. It's definitely true, however,
Behavior such as Samsung’s is not uncommon in the world of tech coverage. It’s perhaps considered more normal in some parts of the world, but even we here at TNW are regularly offered to have our travel and accommodations covered in hopes that we’ll write about a specific brand during our overall coverage of an event.
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And that's from the site the blogger is from.
Article here.

Nothing true about that noy a single facts pretty sure it was written by some isheep in hopes that it would make appke look less of a monster.
Use some common sense next time please though i suspect we both knew this was bs lol dumb isheep.
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That article is posted by you. Nobody is going to believe you until you provide a link to a reputable source.

063_XOBX said:
Since your source is an article written by somebody called Super2cool (sounds familiar?) I'm gonna just call this trolling.
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Its not trolling.. its posted all over the web.
Don't be in blind trust of a corporation... They are not humans.
Take a look here if you don't believe me:
http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/...oggers-halfway-around-world-threatened-leave/

Yeah, 'slave labor'; I recall an article about all those slaves being flown across the world, put up in a hotel, all expenses paid and such. So the guy couldn't have covered IFA on his own in his free time? [sarcasm]What a horrible life [/sarcasm]

MissionImprobable said:
Yeah, 'slave labor'; I recall an article about all those slaves being flown across the world, put up in a hotel, all expenses paid and such. So the guy couldn't have covered IFA on his own in his free time? [sarcasm]What a horrible life [/sarcasm]
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Ok I guess did exaggerate a bit!
However, it is still unacceptable for Samsung to lie to him and then threaten him to leave him in Berlin where the IFA was hosted.

Sounds more like the Blogger was trying to catch a free round trip to IFA on Samsung's dime without offering anything to them in return. I am waiting for Samsung to chime in (they will) and hear both sides. Then I'm waiting for the inevitable leak of emails or call records or whatever. Then once I know the actual story I will have an opinion.

063_XOBX said:
Sounds more like the Blogger was trying to catch a free round trip to IFA on Samsung's dime without offering anything to them in return. I am waiting for Samsung to chime in (they will) and hear both sides. Then I'm waiting for the inevitable leak of emails or call records or whatever. Then once I know the actual story I will have an opinion.
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It seemed too good to be true.. but still Samsung should have been more clear of what they expected from the blogger.

This is what happens when you agree with the terms and conditions and choose to ignore them after you've signed. Don't expect Samsung to hold their word when you don't.
(I'm assuming there were some papers that needed to be signed {that you didn't read}. Samsung is after all a multi billion dollar corporation)
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LordManhattan said:
This is what happens when you agree with the terms and conditions and choose to ignore them after you've signed. Don't expect Samsung to hold their word when you don't.
(I'm assuming there were some papers that needed to be signed {that you didn't read}. Samsung is after all a multi billion dollar corporation)
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Yeeah.. they were some papers to sign and this all probaly legal when looking at the papers.
However, it still unethical when you are knowingly trying to scam a person (sort of a scam.. I guess? ..don't know exactly what to call it)

Super2cool said:
Yeeah.. they were some papers to sign and this all probaly legal when looking at the papers.
However, it still unethical when you are knowingly trying to scam a person (sort of a scam.. I guess? ..don't know exactly what to call it)
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What is unethical about somebody paying for your trip and lodging and expecting something in return? Samsung has no obligation to pay for bloggers to travel to big events.

063_XOBX said:
What is unethical about somebody paying for your trip and lodging and expecting something in return? Samsung has no obligation to pay for bloggers to travel to big events.
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Well.. its cause its not what he was expecting. He did not get to review the IFA. He was just showing Samsung products to the press... under a threat.
What I am asking is that...
Is it wrong to expect Samsung to tell him straight up.."we want you to show off our products..not review the IFA"?
Instead..Samsung lied to him.

I don't see anything unreasonable about Samsung saying
You can either be a part of this and wear the uniform, or you’ll have to get your own tickets back home and handle your hotel stay from the moment this call ends
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It's not nice, but according to the article it's a pretty common practice for Handset makers to fly bloggers to events to cover their devices. Why would Samsung spend their money to help other gadgets get publicity?
I wouldn't waste a penny providing advertisements for my COMPETITORS.

063_XOBX said:
I don't see anything unreasonable about Samsung saying .
It's not nice, but according to the article it's a pretty common practice for Handset makers to fly bloggers to events to cover their devices. Why would Samsung spend their money to help other gadgets get publicity?
I wouldn't waste a penny providing advertisements for my COMPETITORS.
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He actually wasn't able to review what happened that day..
“None of this should leave Berlin. Or Reach India”
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Super2cool said:
He was taken to the IFA but he was only allowed to demonstrate Samsung products to the press. He was not actually able to review any products and instead was treated as a Samsung employee.
EVIL!!!
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Someone has to evil, dont they? not everyone can be as honest and goody-goody like apple, now.. You gotta be the bad boy sometimes, take one for the customers..

King ACE said:
Someone has to evil, dont they? not everyone can be as honest and goody-goody like apple, now.. You gotta be the bad boy sometimes, take one for the customers..
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lol @ Apple is very honest
How does Samsung lying help customers?
I am sorry but you guys need to realize what Samsung did was evil and they should be punished (I doubt this will happen)

Why would Samsung even fly bloggers for free? They're a company, a business. Of course it will benefit them, they will make it benefit them in some ways even if it is a little unethical. So in this way, all mobile phone manufacturers are evil? :/

I'm not sure what you thought it would be like. Vacation with free alcohol and prostitutes? No, you were brought in to do a job, and you failed big time. I would fire you on the spot.
Let's break it down:
- Samsung offers you a job as a promoter
- You accept it
- They cover the hotel and travel costs, which is a lot of money
- You refuse to do the job
- You want them to cover the flight home, which is a lot of money
I'm not sure you know what a promoter is or does. A promoter promotes a company's products. NOT reviewing and promoting the competitors' products. Also, Samsung took its time to hire you and on top of that spend money on you. Then you quit. You're the jerk here, not Samsung.
Not sure what part of Narnia you're from, but this is the real world. Welcome.

Ethical question why are Closed systems wrong?

Hi,
I have an assignment from school and I have to look for arguments that proves that Closed Systems are wrong in an ethical way. He knows there aren't any strong arguments he just want me to research a little.
The teacher said that I had to look into Richard Stallman but I couldn't find any strong arguments from him.
So the question is what makes Closed Systems Morally wrong if there are any. For example IOS from Apple.
I just need a couple simple arguments to show my teacher. I hope you guys can help.
Thanks in advance!

wingman4ever said:
Hi,
I have an assignment from school and I have to look for arguments that proves that Closed Systems are wrong in an ethical way. He knows there aren't any strong arguments he just want me to research a little.
The teacher said that I had to look into Richard Stallman but I couldn't find any strong arguments from him.
So the question is what makes Closed Systems Morally wrong if there are any. For example IOS from Apple.
I just need a couple simple arguments to show my teacher. I hope you guys can help.
Thanks in advance!
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You know I was about to help with this. But I see it's your first post. It's early morning in US. And you probably have this paper due in the morning. Given all those, I will say this. You should have studied harder, great first post , and look up the advantages/disadvantages of open source. Much to learn you have young padawon.

Well actually it's not due tomorrow. It's my first post because I don't have an android, I have an iPhone but thought I would get better answers on an Android forum. I did research on Open Source and Free Software but still couldn't find any strong arguments.

wingman4ever said:
Well actually it's not due tomorrow. It's my first post because I don't have an android, I have an iPhone but thought I would get better answers on an Android forum. I did research on Open Source and Free Software but still couldn't find any strong arguments.
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You hasz iCrap?!?! GTFO. NAO!
jk. No, but seriously..

wingman4ever said:
Well actually it's not due tomorrow. It's my first post because I don't have an android, I have an iPhone but thought I would get better answers on an Android forum. I did research on Open Source and Free Software but still couldn't find any strong arguments.
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then you haven't searched hard enough. What have you searched for and what have you found?

Well the thing is that Apple is not doing anything wrong "ethically". The buyer or user knows that the iDevice is a closed system and Apple has made that very clear therefore Apple has the right to do so. The user may think that they block all the software freedom of the iDevice. But the main point of doing so is that Apple did it to protect their company's profit and their "It Just Works" principle. And also they let you jailbreak it and you have the choice of not buying it.
I am also not looking for the benefits of an open system. I know it has a lot but what I am really looking for is why closed systems(IOS) are "morally" wrong.
The only thing I can think of is that Apple did that because of anti-trust problem but I don't know if my teacher thinks this is a valid argument.

wingman4ever said:
Well the thing is that Apple is not doing anything wrong "ethically". The buyer or user knows that the iDevice is a closed system and Apple has made that very clear therefore Apple has the right to do so. The user may think that they block all the software freedom of the iDevice. But the main point of doing so is that Apple did it to protect their company's profit and their "It Just Works" principle. And also they let you jailbreak it and you have the choice of not buying it.
I am also not looking for the benefits of an open system. I know it has a lot but what I am really looking for is why closed systems(IOS) are "morally" wrong.
The only thing I can think of is that Apple did that because of anti-trust problem but I don't know if my teacher thinks this is a valid argument.
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Do a lil research on netscape and internet explorer. I'll help you if you show work. That was a good post you just had there. And honestly I don't think that all people quite understand the concept of drm, itunes, and ios when they buy an apple device. Exactly how clear is it that what you just bought will only work on that machine and that device? It sure wasn't clear for my ex wife when she bought an iphone.

boborone said:
Do a lil research on netscape and internet explorer. I'll help you if you show work. That was a good post you just had there. And honestly I don't think that all people quite understand the concept of drm, itunes, and ios when they buy an apple device. Exactly how clear is it that what you just bought will only work on that machine and that device? It sure wasn't clear for my ex wife when she bought an iphone.
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I couldn't agree more. Not that this will help you in terms of your assignment but.... The mass media and social demographics are brainwashed by the term "iPhone." Look at Ziplock, Sharpie and other well-known names; It's common knowledge, per say. The vast majority of people who buy an iPhone or have one could care less about it being closed source or even know what that is.

tallyforeman said:
The vast majority of people who buy an iPhone or have one could care less about it being closed source or even know what that is.
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But when they like the look of a Samsung S4, or something similar they're told, "Yeah, that won't have access to all the tunes and books you've bought on your iPhone and iPad. Best stick with Apple." Of course software isn't interchangeable across OSs, but at least with other OSs you have a choice of what device you have, rather than "I want that one", or "I want that one s".

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But when they like the look of a Samsung S4, or something similar they're told, "Yeah, that won't have access to all the tunes and books you've bought on your iPhone and iPad. Best stick with Apple." Of course software isn't interchangeable across OSs, but at least with other OSs you have a choice of what device you have, rather than "I want that one", or "I want that one s".
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Wait.....totally not trolling you. But what was that you just said. I got confusimicated.

boborone said:
Wait.....totally not trolling you. But what was that you just said. I got confusimicated.
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I'm thinking:
The sheep are better off behind the fence in the pasture

boborone said:
Wait.....totally not trolling you. But what was that you just said. I got confusimicated.
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Tally got it right
Nah, just that I find the "once we've got you you're going to lose everything if you leave" attitude quite immoral.

I totally agree. I had a lot of music I paid for years ago in iTunes, which Apple tries hard to keep non-Apple users from accessing on their mobile devices.
-Accidental Asshole aka Jeremy
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Archer said:
Tally got it right
Nah, just that I find the "once we've got you you're going to lose everything if you leave" attitude quite immoral.
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Oh ok. Yea, that was the whole reason she stayed with the iphone. She wanted to switch to android where she could easily put her own content on her phone. She found out that all the ringtones, songs, and books she bought would be lost and only available on i devices. That was her only reason to stay with them. I thought it was pretty corrupt of them to charge her again for the music she had already paid for, to release the drm so she could transfer it from her iphone to android.
It goes to the netscape debacle. Creating a monopoly without fully notifying the end user of what they are buying into. It's fine to release software/hardware that only works with specific software/hardware if you tell the customer of such. That becomes an anti-trust issue border-lining on a monopoly that you have created to hook people into without a way out.
When you buy an idevice, you inherently know you are buying into a "system". But the extent of that system is not made clear to the end user.
Just take a look at the term you are signing into when you buy an apple device.
http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/
http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/appstore/dev/stdeula/
http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/us/terms.html
I feel I need a law degree just to comprehend the preamble.
Now have a gander at this.
http://play.google.com/intl/en_us/about/play-terms.html
Hey I can understand that. Big difference.
You can't tell me people understand what they are getting themselves into when buying an idevice unless they are tech savvy.
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jRi0T68 said:
I totally agree. I had a lot of music I paid for years ago in iTunes, which Apple tries hard to keep non-Apple users from accessing on their mobile devices.
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Yep, a loop. They try to hook you in to keep upgrading on their system on devices/hardware to keep access to what you bought in their system, not knowing that you have to stay there with them in order to keep what you have paid for.

My bad Apple actually did not clearly state that their systems are closed. But what matters is that they have stated in the The buyer is responsible for reading the agreement.
I also want to say that this assignment is just for a small discussion that I have to have with the teacher. No paper needed. But it does improve my mark though.
I am just curious what you guys have to say about Closed Systems. But the more I think about it the more I think there arent any legit arguments against Closed Systems.
So I may just turn it around and argue that Apple has all the right to do so.
Although I still hate Apple for forcing people by trying to block Jailbreaking.

I actually made it through all of this essay... good read....
http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4371

wingman4ever said:
My bad Apple actually did not clearly state that their systems are closed. But what matters is that they have stated in the The buyer is responsible for reading the agreement.
I also want to say that this assignment is just for a small discussion that I have to have with the teacher. No paper needed. But it does improve my mark though.
I am just curious what you guys have to say about Closed Systems. But the more I think about it the more I think there arent any legit arguments against Closed Systems.
So I may just turn it around and argue that Apple has all the right to do so.
Although I still hate Apple for forcing people by trying to block Jailbreaking.
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Well good for you. We all like open source/systems, which is why we use it. You can't debate a subject without seeing both sides. And you don't see both sides.
And btw, there have been numerous court cases involving tos of companies that even though you click that you have read them, have been overturned becuase they have been ruled for some reason or another unfitting. So just because you say you read them, doesn't mean that's a good deal. tos can change after you buy a product. Which itunes does regularly. So you buy into something only to have it change, totally not right. And no backing out. But you bought into it. Are happy with it. So go argue for it.
Run along now.
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IF somebody would pay you to go to prison , what would be your price?

THIS IS A SOCIAL EXPERIMENT ! I WILL TELL YOU WHAT IT MEANS IN A FEW DAYS
IF somebody would pay you to go to prison for Auto theft 1 year , what would be your price?
Please make a realistic amount as possible, lets see what people think about it
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About $1mil if I was taking the blame, cause of charges stacking up while I'm away, plus pay for taking the blame.
If everyone new I was innocent, and I was doing a anonymous review of the prisons or something where people who knew me knew I was innocent and I was just in for the money, $500,000 sounds fair.
Interested what this means though.

On the charges of grand theft? Hell No.
It's not so much the prison sentence that bothers me as the fact that you'll forever have to deal with the criminal record. You'll never get a visa to enter half the countries in the world, you'll never get a decent job again, it'll affect your family, your friends, your kids, your grandkids...
12 of my friends are police officers and detectives. Their association with me would cost them their careers, their jobs and their reputation. They've never done anything to deserve that.
Not worth it.
Even if it earns you 500 million, that money is just as illegal and will just land you in prison again and you'll never see the money.
Besides, 98% of people here wouldn't survive a week in prison.

ShadowLea said:
On the charges of grand theft? Hell No.
It's not so much the prison sentence that bothers me as the fact that you'll forever have to deal with the criminal record. You'll never get a visa to enter half the countries in the world, you'll never get a decent job again, it'll affect your family, your friends, your kids, your grandkids...
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I'm not really interested in going overseas and work is in demand so I don't believe a criminal record would affect me too much. Besides, it's only 1 year in prison, so the crime wasn't too major.
If out was murder or life sentence or something like that, I would agree with you.
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Even if it earns you 500 million, that money is just as illegal and will just land you in prison again and you'll never see the money.
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HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION ALERT! Your thinking a little too deeply. It's a social experiment, not a life and death situation.

Jesse72 said:
I'm not really interested in going overseas and work is in demand so I don't believe a criminal record would affect me too much. Besides, it's only 1 year in prison, so the crime wasn't too major.
If out was murder or life sentence or something like that, I would agree with you.
HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION ALERT! Your thinking a little too deeply. It's a social experiment, not a life and death situation.
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What's a point of an experiment if the answers are all fake? The results are only suited for the rubbish-bin if it's a 'in a perfect world' settings.
OP wanted serious answers, not 'It's a videogame, and nothing you do matters'.
The whole idea of a social experiment is to get an idea of what people would do in real life. As such these are entirely unsuited for the internet, because everyone lies. Everyone thinks they're tough, smart and invincible. Nobody wants to admit they're a 40 year old sitting at home with their wife yelling at them to take out the thrash, or a 16 year old who isn't even allowed to drive yet. No, they're all Rambo.
I'm speaking of bachelor/phd level jobs, not streetcleaners. Even low-level work, nearly every job here requires a socalled 'declaration of good behavior'. (Even cleaning offices and schools). If you've got a criminal record, you can't supply that document and you're not legally able to get the job.
Western Europe's not as accepting of crime as other parts of the world. In the USA you can become a politician with a criminal record. Here you can't even become lorry driver.
As for not going overseas, I want to visit Australia, New Zealand and Canada at least once in my life. You're not welcome there with a GTA charge, nor any criminal charge for that matter.

15 million dollars distributed as monthly payments over 15 years and adjusted for inflation every year.

Freedom is piceless...
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ShadowLea said:
Western Europe's not as accepting of crime as other parts of the world. In the USA you can become a politician with a criminal record. Here you can't even become lorry driver.
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Ok, well I guess that's why our answers are different. In Australia a criminal record does not mean your lifes over, though you can't do certain jobs like a police officer or school teacher. Of course your unlikely to be chosen for the job against someone with the same qualifications, work ethic etc, but no criminal record, but the job I do is specialized, without enough people in the industry, and in no way relies on me to work with children, dangerous explosives etc, so I believe that a small criminal record would not affect me too much.
Besides we were all convicts anyway ?
Different situations, different people, different answers.
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As for not going overseas, I want to visit Australia, New Zealand and Canada at least once in my life. You're not welcome there with a GTA charge, nor any criminal charge for that matter.
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I recommend you visit Australia, it's a great place. When your in New Zealand, make lots of sheep jokes ?
I have relatives in New Zealand.
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Money is money.
Besides its only one year locked up.

If somebody paid me to go to prison? Sure I could for, depends on for how long.
But seriously, he would have to pay me up front, then I would hire a judge to get him into prison!
And that's how we roll

haha, I would sell my soul fro money, no way. I'm a good girl

That's easy... An Emma Watson kiss :highfive:

I wouldn't go if it's me going. But if a friend asked me to assume his identity for a million euros, I'd do it. I'd get out a year later with my record clean and a million euros richer! ?

$60,000 paid all at once upon my release, I'd do it.
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A margarita

I agree with @ShadowLea .
No one here would even survive one week prison.
Basically are almost all the developers here big thinkers, big talkers but they are having a small physical performance in real life.
I won't do it also.
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I stand by my answer, but that's because I already live outside the typical 'norms' of society. I have a job that only requires that I possess the guts and skills to do the job, and that I show up consistently and do it. I'm a roofer. When I get out, people will still need roofs. I don't pay taxes, I don't vote or ask permission to travel, domestically or abroad. I do what I do, and I don't let anyone, including the government, get in my way. I help others before myself. I expect nothing, tomorrow is not guaranteed, so every waking moment is a blessing. A year in prison would not be the worst thing that's ever happened to me by far. I could use a large sum of money to do some really interesting and worthwhile things.
Most XDA'ers probably would have a really tough time spending a year in prison. For me, it wouldn't be so tough. If it's a prison near me, I probably already know a few people there. It's 3 hots & a cot for a year, with a knot of cash at the end of it. Sign me up, I'll smuggle a smartphone in up my butt to stay entertained in my cell lol.
Jk bout the cell phone up my butt
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I would never do this because I could not enjoy the cash earned. Life is short you know.

Maynard100 said:
I would never do this because I could not enjoy the cash earned. Life is short you know.
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Well sayd there.. short and priceless. But with 5 millions .. i'll do some jail joking

A bit like @huggs, I believe I would be tough enough to stand prison. I'm not some weak developer who lives on the couch of an apartment 24/7. I live in the country, on a farm, I know how to defend myself.
I have nothing against generalisations, but don't use them to describe everyone.
Anyway, @JeremyMartin139, when will you reveal what it means?

Mmm... I sell my freedom for immortality xD