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Guys, I want to ask for a favour.
Ages and ages back I read about what I thought was an amazingly cool gadget.
We like gadgets.
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I got speaking with the guy that invented this thing, and was mightily impressed. You'll be able to read my review soon... but this is the gadget:
The Alpha Grip:
It's a keyboard, compressed onto a gamepad like device. The keys are positioned around and under natural finger positions, according to usage and linguistic frequency; others are positions under the controller and used with rocker type switches.
It's difficult to describe, but the thing sits naturally in your hands and you have full keyboard access, in an exceptionally innovative, ergonomic design.
And, there's more - it also has a little trackerball that sits under your thumb position, so you can control both mouse and keyboard functions without ever taking your hands off the device.
It is complicated, and takes some getting used to, but when you are used to it, it's amazingly neat and geeky. I used to play all of my FPS games with a nostromo N52, but this thing lets you even further automate your gaming, macros and keyboard layouts. It's not quite the perfect game controller, but it's damn near close.
It is wired USB. Wires are baaad.
Unfortunately, it is not wireless or bluetooth etc, which is something I've spoken to the inventor about implementing. So, it's not quite ready for our phones yet, but as and when it is, wow.
However, I use it with an OQO mini computer and it's a perfect marriage, compact and highly productive (once you master the learning curve and get used to it). I guess you could use it with an xbox 360 and ps3 too, which would be cooool (although I've never tried). It emulates a standard USB Keyboard and mouse, so is highly compatible and doesn't use special drivers.
Anyway, enough blurb, I'm not selling this thing, I'm not even reviewing this thing here - you'll be able to read a full review from me eventually (and I'm in no way commercially connected or benefited from this).
However, my favour:
AlphaGrip, the company, have superb technical support and customer care. I like the product, I like the company. But you've probably never heard of either.
So: Yahoo have a competition on right now running between various small businesses that need more attention. I think Alphagrip needs and deserves this... so, have a look at the Yahoo page, and see if you think AlphaGrip deserves a vote. You don't have to buy the product, or even like it, but just decide if it deserves some of your mouse click love to get a gadget a bit more attention.
Gracias.
Yahoo Competition
V
PS. If you do buy one, tell Mike Willner, the inventor, that I sent you. I'll try to put in a good word for us and get us a deal.
EDIT: guys, I've just heard back from Mike, and he says that when you're buying the AlphaGrip, if you say that you're a member of this forum and write your XDA forums user ID in the comments section of the purchase page, you'll get $10 off the price.
And if you also mention that you've also voted on the Yahoo competition (quote something from his video interview to prove you've seen it), you'll get an extra $5 off! Go out and buy yourself a free lunch on Mike...
He said that they are certainly interested in doing a wireless adaptor or an all smartphone compatible version, so winning the competition will help get them the resources to do that. Hurry up and click already!
Guys, I want to repeat. I don't work for these guys, and aren't commercially linked to them in any way. I've just found Mike and his guys (and gals) to be a refreshingly helpful and conscientious tech company. They don't over inflate their claims, but make 100% solid and innovative stuff.
its got my vote.. im not a gamer but love me some gadgets, can see that thing being very useful
Thanks shogunmark!
I have to say that I'm quite a fan of non standard input devices. My all time favourite is the Microsoft Strategic Commander. If you've never seen one, it's basically the thing the little dude in Flight of the Navigator uses to fly the UFO. It kicks ass, but it's a bit too clever for it's own good. It actually has one axis assigned to flexing space/time, like too much Prince of Persia!
Day to day I tend to use the Nostromo n52 (not just for games, but general productivity work with appropriate macros, keyboard hooks and Windows PowerPro - my all time favourite app)
And I've also reviewed the Wolf Claw, which is more conventional, but useful for WASD users. I'm not a WASD fan personally.
BTW, I finally managed to spend some time with the Wii this weekend. It's not a particularly accurate input device, but novel - has anyone considered porting the open source Windows Bluetooth Input Interface to WinMob? It'd be cool to play doom on your phone on the Tube. Way to get shot in the head...
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EDIT: guys, I've just heard back from Mike, and he says that when you're buying the AlphaGrip, if you say that you're a member of this forum and write your XDA forums user ID in the comments section of the purchase page, you'll get $10 off the price.
And if you also mention that you've also voted on the Yahoo competition (quote something from his video interview to prove you've seen it), you'll get an extra $5 off! Go out and buy yourself a free lunch on Mike...
He said that they are certainly interested in doing a wireless adaptor or an all smartphone compatible version, so winning the competition will help get them the resources to do that. Hurry up and click already!
Also, Mike said that if you want to complain, make suggestions or ask for something completely different, go over to their development wiki to shape what a future Smartphone Compatible version should do.
http://wiki.alphagrips.com/AG-6+Suggestions
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vijay555 said:
And if you also mention that you've also voted on the Yahoo competition (quote something from his video interview to prove you've seen it)
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Who watches video's?!?? i just do what the voices tell me to
just do what the voices tell me
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Last time I did that I woke up covered in axel grease with a suspicious-looking black ribbed knobbler
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vijay555 said:
Last time I did that I woke up covered in axel grease with a suspicious-looking black ribbed knobbler
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oh yeah, i remember those video's...
You should... . You didn't even cook breakfast.
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vijay555 said:
You should... . You didn't even cook breakfast.
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oh i cooked breakfast.. you were still sleeping, must have been all those roofies i slipped you
wow, talk about hijacking a thread
This thread has gotten really saucy!
It's funny, when checked the thread and first saw the pics of the controller, I thought someone was having some fun with Photoshop. That is one crazy looking gadget!
I think it's wild enough to be pretty cool though. I like anything new and weird though. (including this thread )
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Don't encourage them for gawd's sake Taurus. Sounds like they're as fruity as a nut cake:
Mike
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is that anything like this:
Ok you people, I'm gonna moderate myself and bring this back to game controllers.
The AlphaGrip is certainly not photoshopped, I have one here - it does requires practise to get up to speed, but it was the same with my nostromo, and now I use that thing like a natural extension of my being
If you have any questions about it, let me know...
Ok, to get back offtopic, or ontopic, I can't remember now given that 90% of this thread is rather, um, unsusual:
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Price: £25.00 each
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Shogun, you know what to get me for being a good boy, this Christmas.
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PS Keep voting. You can vote once a day. But man, those wonky playhouses are cool!
vijay555 said:
Ok you people, I'm gonna moderate myself and bring this back to game controllers.
The AlphaGrip is certainly not photoshopped, I have one here - it does requires practise to get up to speed, but it was the same with my nostromo, and now I use that thing like a natural extension of my being
If you have any questions about it, let me know...
Ok, to get back offtopic, or ontopic, I can't remember now given that 90% of this thread is rather, um, unsusual:
Shogun, you know what to get me for being a good boy, this Christmas.
V
PS Keep voting. You can vote once a day. But man, those wonky playhouses are cool!
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I just voted again, looks like your guy is currently in the lead
Has there ever been a "usual" conversation between the mods, i mean really?!?
I can think of a few people that would need those for christmas
Looking at that knobbler thing, the more it seems to make sense.
My brain overheats just thinking about the possibilities... you can picture the Taewanese design manager sitting at his desk, staring at a blank sheet of paper:
"Ok, Monday morning, what to do, what to do?
We need to think of a device that has 1% useful therapeutic design, 99% obvious sexual function. We've done massagers, infra red heaters, relaxation balls...
I know, The Knobbler. Reaches the parts other double ended stimulation devices cannot reach."
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PS Yeah. moderators need help. Hormonal issues seem to be a necessary qualification for the job!
vijay555 said:
My brain overheats
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I dont think thats your brain, but im sure you still think with it
vijay555 said:
you can picture the Taewanese design manager sitting at his desk, staring at a blank sheet of paper:
"Ok, Monday morning, what to do, what to do?
We need to think of a device that has 1% useful therapeutic design, 99% obvious sexual function. We've done massagers, infra red heaters, relaxation balls...
I know, The Knobbler. Reaches the parts other double ended stimulation devices cannot reach."
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You think thats tough.. can you imagine the Research and Development team on that?
vijay555 said:
PS Yeah. moderators need help. Hormonal issues seem to be a necessary qualification for the job!
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I think thats pretty obvious, especially with that really old guy mikechannon
mikechannon said:
Since you boys obviously get on so well together and I'd rather keep well away from this very weird thread, I'm going to present you both with a much superior controller than vijay's suggestion. I think you'll find it reminds you of each other so you need never feel lonely again:
Mike
(and it's not even entered for gadget of the year!! Go on shake hands with an old friend!)
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was that from your private collection?
Mike, don't be jealous, you know you have an open invitation to the parties. Friday night, bring chocolate spread!
I won't elaborate any further on this:
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PS: keep voting! I want Ivanka Trump to autograph my boobies.
vijay555 said:
Mike, don't be jealous, you know you have an open invitation to the parties. Friday night, bring chocolate spread!
I won't elaborate any further on this:
V
PS: keep voting! I want Ivanka Trump to autograph my boobies.
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brings a whole new meaning to those traffic cones...
And mike, if you accept V's open invitation, you may want to consider some help..
And dont forget to vote
Hey guys, would any of you consider using the AlphaGrip or any of the above toys, including those for external application only?
One game pad I haven't owned is the Saitek Pro Gamer Command.
I played with it once on a display model and found it tacky and clunky. I much prefer the ergonomics of the Nostromo.
Do you guys ever use these things? Like I said, Nostromo is great for FPS, but you can also configure it to do stuff in productivity apps like PhotoShop, Word, VS2005, Winamp etc (although of course you can do that with pretty much any input device with appropriate software).
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Geez, what have I got myself into?! This thread degenerated in a hurry.
just FYI not sure if anyone has seen this douche bag. appears he is making a nice living off of your guys' hard work. i think this user should be made an example of. anyone with any ideas?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250421549454
yeah he is making a killing selling those.
Probably hasn't sold any, but I reported.
derekwilkinson said:
Probably hasn't sold any, but I reported.
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Check his feedback profile..
You'll weep when you see how many CDs he sold for 50 pop EACH!!!
derekwilkinson said:
Probably hasn't sold any, but I reported.
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ya nearly all his feedback ratings are from $50 a pop on that cd. he's got over 150 positive feedbacks. i also reported prior to the original thread posting cuz thats just wrong imo.
yes Im danielmex_83
jajaja i sent him a message wanna see it? hahaha just for fun you know!
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there are many people that loves everything easy... even if it cost 50 bucks.
Thats insane. I can't even begin to imagine the people that have been scammed out of 50 bucks for stuff that is completely free. And no credit to those that developed the software. Shame
He answers me!
HAHAHAHAH well I ask him if he can shipp the cd to the bermudas triangle!
he answers...
hahaha didnt you live on Mexico? hahahaha god damn! this guy is so funny!
I sent a question as to why he sells things that are free to find, he replied with:
"I charge mainly for the tutorial and personal assistance. I throw in all the apps, etc. in as a bonus. I have donated to the programmers and it took hours and hours of how to figure this stuff out and what to install first, etc."
I don't think there's much wrong with this, although AUD$60 is a bit much and I disagree with "All of these games, apps and themes are easily worth over $800" as they are (mostly) free.
I think we need some of the opinions of the devs who's software is on this CD.
^^^ Well he is not lying, he is NOT scamming anyone. I mean, yea he makes money off this, but he has just taken all the effort we enjoy, playing around with stuff... some users just want to have everything handed to them, and with support AU$60 is pretty good if I were non-geek.
He is noy doing anything illegal, I think some ppl are jealous? report? for what?
I've seen ppl sell freeware before, it is not illegal if he is adding something beneficial to the sale (his tuts and support).
I don't hate, but that's just me!
Is it over priced.. YES, is it a scam... NO! Is it wrong.. Maybe... Is it illegal... NO!
But it goes against an unwritten code, but thats it.
If i offered a service to install MS Office 2007 and tech support it for 3mths for 50 bucks, nothing wrong with that... right? Software vendors LIVE off this 'support'.
Anyway, it has broken a code and I see where you guys are pissed, but reporting? c'mon get over it.
aaron11193 said:
I sent a question as to why he sells things that are free to find, he replied with:
"I charge mainly for the tutorial and personal assistance. I throw in all the apps, etc. in as a bonus. I have donated to the programmers and it took hours and hours of how to figure this stuff out and what to install first, etc."
I don't think there's much wrong with this, although AUD$60 is a bit much and I disagree with "All of these games, apps and themes are easily worth over $800" as they are (mostly) free.
I think we need some of the opinions of the devs who's software is on this CD.
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I think what he is doing is partly illegal, at least in reference to s2u, on the page of A_C it's stated directly under freeware licence "You are NOT allowed to make a charge for distributing this Software whether as a stand-alone product, or as part of a compilation or anthology, without explicit prior written permission." Probably there is something similar about other apps/games on the CD, at least I could imagine Microsoft and google are providing something similar. Whether he donated to the programmers or not don't changes anything about his permissions applying there software.
x86 said:
^^^ Well he is not lying, he is NOT scamming anyone. I mean, yea he makes money off this, but he has just taken all the effort we enjoy, playing around with stuff... some users just want to have everything handed to them, and with support AU$60 is pretty good if I were non-geek.
He is noy doing anything illegal, I think some ppl are jealous? report? for what?
I've seen ppl sell freeware before, it is not illegal if he is adding something beneficial to the sale (his tuts and support).
I don't hate, but that's just me!
Is it over priced.. YES, is it a scam... NO! Is it wrong.. Maybe... Is it illegal... NO!
But it goes against an unwritten code, but thats it.
If i offered a service to install MS Office 2007 and tech support it for 3mths for 50 bucks, nothing wrong with that... right? Software vendors LIVE off this 'support'.
Anyway, it has broken a code and I see where you guys are pissed, but reporting? c'mon get over it.
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Hi everybody, and thanks x86 for not posting like drdrew and Que. I have been selling these disks and guess what? I am not the first or the last to do it. I bought an HTC phone and wanted to make it cool like the stuff I found on the internet for FREE. However, I had NO clue of how to do it. I didn't know you had to install NETCFsetup35 first. I didn't know you had to install Batteryand Performance Hack, then SDKcerts, then finix, etc in THAT order. These are things that took a while to learn how to do. I couldn't find a thread on what, how or when to do these things and I am pretty computer literate. Someone else was selling the phones with the programs on them first and I decided I would write an easy to understand tutorial and sell my own disks so others could enjoy. This is called free enterprise.
I don't and never have taken credit for anyone's work and have donated to the sites I have gone to and talked with a few of the programmers. Bongsu has awesome themes and I have donated to vicotts site after he said that's where the money should go. I donated to XDA. PPCgeeks as well. Have I talked to all of them? No. I could take ALL the apps, themes and games off and the tutorial I created is worth it alone. Not only that, but many of my customers have had to call me and ask for support. I have spent hours on the phone helping some people who are completely computer illiterate step by step to make their phones so fun and cool. I offer the disks at $50 with a Best Offer option as well. Some people buy for $40 and some for $35. x86, It's not overpriced when you consider the support. Just like you said, companies make a TON of money on support. I was just offered the great deal of $129.99 from Dell to help me resolve a ONE-time issue with my computer. Support costs money.
I guarantee if you ask any of the people who have bought the disk, not a one of them feels scammed. Why would they? I talk them through it to help them. The tutorial is very easy to understand but some people are not savvy. Actually, I have had many of my customers tell me I am not charging enough! That's no joke. I started at $24.99 and was told over and over I was charging too LITTLE! Why would any programmer be upset as there programs are on more phones? That's why they are created; to have fun and make phones look cool. But there was nobody to help me and many others understand HOW to do it!
The people buying these disks have seen many of the programs on the internet and know they are out there for free, yet they still buy my tutorial. I include the urls to PPCgeeks and XDA in my tutorial as well as other sites. That way they can then do it for themselves after they learn how to do it from me the FIRST time.
I simply sold what most people like, the easy route. And I just thought it would be cool to put a bunch of programs on the disk to get these people started! All the things I have put on that disk are found on the internet for FREE, Except for TWO things; my tutorial and phone support. I charge for that. If you have a problem with that, you are free to feel that way. If you want to pay my cell phone bill, let me know. But the fact is, nobody who has purchased this disk has come back to say they want their money back. I have 100% feedback. That should tell you something.
Edit: If someone wants to contact me, feel free to do so but name calling and insults are childish.
Want to Clear Things Up said:
Edit: If someone wants to contact me, feel free to do so but name calling and insults are childish.
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This account has been banned for being a sock-puppet.
Please use your real account "Sho'nuff" for replying to questions like these Roy.
EqX
Thanks Equinox
Its been a while since i have see you on wizard forums, jejeje long time ago i think since manilla 2d comes to town, thanks for let us know that this guy, maybe a memeber from here makes a new user saying want to clear thinks up... want? or wish i could? moron!
Im so angry about this! Really. but what can i win? nothing but healty decrease so lets over this situation.
Well this guy contacts me telling me ebay has some policy's and dont allow to post the logo! well i will edit only... my... Screenshots... and post the screenshot of his PM to me.
To let you know how this guys operate his dirty tricks i mean is not illegal no no no i know I know if he wants to earn some bucks showing his ass on the street please make it where nobody can see you, is immoral!
well here you go (just to have truth on my words)
wanna the reply here it is...
Want to Clear Things Up said:
You know, I would appreciate you taking down your posts. I answered your questions honestly and did nothing wrong to you. eBay also has a strict policy of using their logos and posting private emails on a public thread. I think if you read my email on this thread, you will see what I offer is a tutorial and personal assistance and am not scamming or hurting anyone. You have your right to say you don't like it and that's fine, but again, I would appreciate you taking down the screen shots.
Also, if you look on eBay, you will see there have been others who have done it. There is someone else selling a disk right now and someone selling a phone with the programs on it.
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OK! its fine for me, but only if you go to the forum where you saw that screenshoots and post this same words... if you dont do it i will, then, i will edit my posts, I think the administrator of this site will be happy with this agreement.
Cheers dude! see you later.
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Dont support this kind of people they never will have sense of good things or bad things, be smart guys be more than this guys, learn more and more you will love this machines, really and can support the learning growing up this lazy mankind we are turning into.
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Its been a while since i have see you on wizard forums, jejeje long time ago i think since manilla 2d comes to town, thanks for let us know that this guy, maybe a memeber from here makes a new user saying want to clear thinks up... want? or wish i could? moron!
Im so angry about this! Really. but what can i win? nothing but healty decrease so lets over this situation.
Well this guy contacts me telling me ebay has some policy's and dont allow to post the logo! well i will edit only... my... Screenshots... and post the screenshot of his PM to me.
To let you know how this guys operate his dirty tricks i mean is not illegal no no no i know I know if he wants to earn some bucks showing his ass on the street please make it where nobody can see you, is immoral!
well here you go (just to have truth on my words)
wanna the reply here it is...
Dont support this kind of people they never will have sense of good things or bad things, be smart guys be more than this guys, learn more and more you will love this machines, really and can support the learning growing up this lazy mankind we are turning into.
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I may as well write this on the public forum since it seems you are the dirty one who cannot keep a private conversation private. Also, I created the other name so people wouldn't flood my regular email so I created a new email and name for that. But guess what? Not a single email has come to me with a problem or insults. Actually, I got an email from someone on this thread telling me I did a great job explaining.
And by the way, your screenshots still show eBay licensed information. Your posting of a private email on a public forum doesn't go over well either. I will ask you to remove them again. XDA is a great site and doesn't need trouble because of your posts.
Hey Ben, I mean Equinox, you should do the right thing and take down the screenshots if Mr. Que here doesn't decide to. Or should I just contact the administrator?
I find it quite funny you come on here using words like moron and how angry this makes you when in reality you have not created any of these programs. Maybe it's possible you're jealous that you don't have the common sense to write a tutorial and offer support to folks who want their phones to have these great features and at the same time turn a little profit? Not all people who buy these phones know anything about these apps, themes and games. I was a first time Win Mo user and had NO idea about this stuff. Try to look at the positive aspect. Many more people know about these great things and HOW TO INSTALL them. That's what you're not getting. You seem to think the people who bought this disk are lazy. No, they are not as computer savvy as some of us are. They need help. And when I went to forums to find out stuff, it was SO much info to take in that I just about said forget it. And I wasn't sure about viruses or what to install or what needed to be installed, etc.
I have 13 sent messages in my outbox from March that I sent to people asking for help when I first joined this site. Guess how many answered? ZERO. I finally found someone who helped me, and it wasn't from this site, and then I took off from there. It's not lazy QUE, but I think you know that. Or maybe you don't. How did YOU come to learn how to do these things? How did most people on these forums? They are either IT's, creators, real computer savvy or got help from someone. Well, I am one who waited about a month after getting my phone to finally find someone to help me.
So I decided to offer assistance to other people which includes phone support. Do you have a cell phone QUE? Do you pay your own bill? They're not free, are they? Also, you never mentioned the fact that I have donated and talked with some of the actual programmers. No, you seem to just listen to what you want and write what will incite others.
And the fact is, people were doing this BEFORE me, selling phones with all the programs on them for $500 when I bought my phone back in March. I didn't need another phone, I just needed to learn how to get the programs. So that's what I offered to others. And to be able to actually call me and I would walk them through it step by step. Read the feedback and you will see that. There was another guy selling the disks before me and ALL he had on them was apps and themes and games and no phone support. People came to me because they needed help. Too bad you only look at the negative and try to paint me as a bad person. The people who bought my disk don't think so and love these forums.
That's a whole other realm you don't even realize. I have sold a few of these disks and that means, a whole new group of people have come to these sites, like XDA and PPCGeeks and likely have donated to get a new theme, etc. or have contributed in some other way. And it also brings in more clicks to these sites. Did you know that or even think about that?
I have been truthful and can walk away from this with my head up high as I know I have helped so many other people. I don't post private messages, I don't use childish insults. I came here to try to set the record straight. I believe I have done so. Obviously not with you Que, but that's okay. People will always disagree in this world.
What I don't understand, is why so many people without a vested interest in this, are getting so worked up about it. What this guy did was very enterprising, very illegal, but very enterprising.
It is not up to anyone but the developers of the apps, to go after this guy. If you go by the feedback alone, he has sold $7500 worth of other peoples work. That is not chump change.
The courts have been very clear on this, most recently with music sampling. If you sample someone elses music on your rap CD, be prepared to pay. Record companies have already had to pay big bucks for artists who have been caught sampling on their CDs. This is nothing more than sampling.
Being a semi-professional writer, I will also say that one does not need to professionally copyright his work in order for the court to side with the original publisher against someone trying to profit from their work. How many times do you see people suing songwriters and screenwriters for stealing ideas , thoughts and passages. Many times the courts have sided with, and movie companies have been forced to settle with, people who have proved that an idea was originally theirs, even without an " official " copyright.
Trying to prove that he wasn't selling the apps, just the instruction and support, is very shaky legal ground indeed. But it is up to the original publishers of the programs to sue for their share of the profits, I hardly think it is worthwhile for us to bicker about it.
denco7 said:
What I don't understand, is why so many people without a vested interest in this, are getting so worked up about it. What this guy did was very enterprising, very illegal, but very enterprising.
It is not up to anyone but the developers of the apps, to go after this guy. If you go by the feedback alone, he has sold $7500 worth of other peoples work. That is not chump change.
The courts have been very clear on this, most recently with music sampling. If you sample someone elses music on your rap CD, be prepared to pay. Record companies have already had to pay big bucks for artists who have been caught sampling on their CDs. This is nothing more than sampling.
Being a semi-professional writer, I will also say that one does not need to professionally copyright his work in order for the court to side with the original publisher against someone trying to profit from their work. How many times to you see people sueing songwriters and screenwriters for stealing ideas , thoughts and passages. Many times the courts have sided with, and movie companies have been forced to settle with people who have proved that an idea was origanally theirs, even without an " official " copyright.
Trying to prove that he wasn't selling the apps, just the instruction and support, is very shaky legal ground indeed. But it is up to the original publishers of the programs to sue for their share of the profits, I hardly think it is worthwhile for us to bicker about it.
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Dude, your math is way off. I sold some HTC phones too, so maybe that's how you added about $6,000 wrong lol. I sold maybe 40 CD's and many people didn't even pay $50. I let some go for as little as $25. You also didn't include how muh eBay and Paypal take out for their fees. As far as illegal, most of the developers say if you want to share, include the url where it came from. I also donated to those programmers.
But I did agree with you on the fact that it was enterprising, thanks. My tutorial is what sold. My personal assistance is what sold. If you read the feedback you will see that. These people now have the ammo to search and find more and know HOW to do it.
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I think what he is doing is partly illegal, at least in reference to s2u, on the page of A_C it's stated directly under freeware licence "You are NOT allowed to make a charge for distributing this Software whether as a stand-alone product, or as part of a compilation or anthology, without explicit prior written permission." Probably there is something similar about other apps/games on the CD, at least I could imagine Microsoft and google are providing something similar. Whether he donated to the programmers or not don't changes anything about his permissions applying there software.
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I completely agree. I think if a wrote a small tutorial on Firefox and packaged it with firefox 3 and sold it on ebay for $50, it would be quite an issue. This is no different. Just because you're dealing with an individual's product instead of a corporation doesn't give you the right to package it without there permission, when they intended for it to be free, and sell it for money. This would be PERFECTLY FINE if he was selling tutorials for the products, noting that they are 100% free applications, and that you are being charged for the tutorials. However, leading people to believe that they are getting a great deal on tons of apps is awful and dishonest.
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As far as illegal, most of the developers say if you want to share, include the url where it came from. I also donated to those programmers.
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you said MOST, not ALL., can you see the difference?
But I did agree with you on the fact that it was enterprising, thanks. My tutorial is what sold. My personal assistance is what sold. If you read the feedback you will see that. These people now have the ammo to search and find more and know HOW to do it.
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You are not advertising your personal assistance, you are advertising the applications.
See the difference?
So yes, you are ILLEGALLY selling software (freeware) from which is known that the authors (like A_C) don't want to be redistributed.
As far as "personal assistance" goes, well I have read into your posts, you are far from an expert on Windows Mobile to say at least.
I am closing this thread before any valued (actually contributing) senior member is going to cross the line and have to face punitive actions.
As for you, since you obviously ignore this:
S2U2, S2P & S2V are being distributed as Freeware. It may be freely used, copied and distributed as long as it is not sold, and all original files are included, including this license. You are NOT allowed to make a charge for distributing this Software whether as a stand-alone product, or as part of a compilation or anthology, without explicit prior written permission.
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, actions against you are being taken.
Regards to the actual contributing members,
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I'm sure there are good things about apple. I sell Macs at work so I have to say good things about apple so I can get my $25 comission. This thread isn't about that however. This thread is a VENT thread. I want to hear all the things you hate, can't stand, dislike or are slightly irritated by - when it comes to anything apple.
Apple fanboys - with any luck there are sure to be a lot of baseless accusations, arguments without due grounds and all sorts of logical fallicies. There may even be embrassing pictures of Steve Jobs if we're lucky enough. However I just would like you to keep in mind we don't want any but's. No "But actually it doesn't", no "They fixed that in version 7" ect. The only butt allowed is if someone posts a picture of Steve Jobs mooning preschoolers.
If you want to, start a thread about why apple roxor your soxor, but please, give us space to vent!
I'll start:
I hate yuppies using an iPhone as a status symbol, and every single god damm person that sees my phone (HTC Touch Pro2) asking me either "Why didn't you get an iPhone" or "Is that some kind of iPhone knockoff?"
I hate people buying Iphones because they think there the best thing ever.
Demon_man said:
I hate people buying Iphones because they think there the best thing ever.
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I knew this was bound to be in here somewhere. :F
Casshern said:
I knew this was bound to be in here somewhere. :F
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well its true and FACT is there not!!!
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I hate people buying Iphones because they think there the best thing ever.
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the people or the iphone? lol
LOL, BOTH!
I hate Apple for making so dam good products that people need to make stupid and pointless threads like this each and every time they release a new magic device then every f***ing ignorant idiot jumps on that wagon where 99% haven't even tried using an apple product.
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I hate Apple for making so dam good products that people need to make stupid and pointless threads like this each and every time they release a new magic device then every f***ing ignorant idiot jumps on that wagon where 99% haven't even tried using an apple product.
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I hate this douche bag.
good day.
I hate Apple product users because they think that once they buy a product from Apple that they had to pay out the ass for, they think they're the best in the world. Those things are horrible, over-simplistic devices. I'm glad I have my Touch Pro 2.
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I hate people buying Iphones because they think there the best thing ever.
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For their argument all I have to say is one thing.......Flash
gullum said:
I hate Apple for making so dam good products that people need to make stupid and pointless threads like this each and every time they release a new magic device then every f***ing ignorant idiot jumps on that wagon where 99% haven't even tried using an apple product.
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How do you know that? I tried an Apple product. An iPhone. That thing was such a piece of ****. I returned it the next day. what tethering? What USB Mass Storage capabilities. What microSD slot!?
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I hate Apple product users because they think that once they buy a product from Apple that they had to pay out the ass for, they think they're the best in the world. Those things are horrible, over-simplistic devices. I'm glad I have my Touch Pro 2.
For their argument all I have to say is one thing.......Flash
How do you know that? I tried an Apple product. An iPhone. That thing was such a piece of ****. I returned it the next day. what tethering? What USB Mass Storage capabilities. What microSD slot!?
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What USA? not every freaking person is restricted to AT&T I know there are a whole lot more people in the world then those few living in USA.
USB mass storage no/ but there are free over wifi storage. microSD? no but with 32 gb I can't realy see the need
Well Flash even the porn business has plans to go HTML5 because they want on Apple. and if that happens then flash as video formate is history.
Let me ask you one simle question. why do you need flash?
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I tried an Apple product. An iPhone. That thing was such a piece of ****..
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i hate the way apple users look at you when you say '' its sh*t ''..pmsl
my friend is an '' i '' f*g and he looks like he gona cry when i say its crap..
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What USA? not every freaking person is restricted to AT&T I know there are a whole lot more people in the world then those few living in USA.
USB mass storage no/ but there are free over wifi storage. microSD? no but with 32 gb I can't realy see the need
Well Flash even the porn business has plans to go HTML5 because they want on Apple. and if that happens then flash as video formate is history.
Let me ask you one simle question. why do you need flash?
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porn. naah just kidding
Youtube. Their Youtube player is crap.
raving_nanza said:
i hate the way apple users look at you when you say '' its sh*t ''..pmsl
my friend is an '' i '' f*g and he looks like he gona cry when i say its crap..
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it's because the iPhone.....is their "precious"
I hate the way apple purposely Design the phone so that features standard in every other phone, are not there or DO NOT WORK. Eg bluetooth: only works for other iphones. SD card slot has already been mentioned, Itunes is annoying to use, No USB ports, and this is only just a start on its flaws. Why Don't many reviewers mention these flaws? Impartiality seems to go out the window when apple is involved.
I also dislike the free adverising apple gets when major companies adveritse their new iphone apps, or iphone only promotions. It would be fine if they advertised it in conjunction with their apps for other phone brands, but they dont. This just contributes to the misconception that iphone is the only phone with any support.
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it's because the iPhone.....is their "precious"
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honestly though, he bought the iphone for a stupid amout of money.. he give me it to play with, after 10 mins i gave it him back and said it was sh*t..
* the look on his face was a picture for the funny pictures thread lol
A few years back my friend bought a Mac desktop for $5000... My $2500 pc runs circles around it .
How about such "innovative" features such as a front facing camera or multitasking (my G1 could multitask for Pete's sake). At least you get to hold yer iphone 4 in an "innovative" manner.
Crash Different
this says it all
http://members.cox.net/clyqz/macs.html
I hate Apple because they...
1. Make up marketing terms to make it look like they invented stuff that they didn't.
a. "Retina display". WTF? I wasn't aware there was a limit on how dense pixels can be. If you listen to Steve, it's as if they made a huge technological breakthrough so that we can finally have a 326dpi screen.
Newsflash: The Toshiba G900 had a 313dpi screen. It was released in 2007.
b. "Face Time". WTF? It's called "video calling". And it's been around for as long as I can remember 3G being around. Plus, Apple's implementation doesn't even work over cellular network. When it finaly does, it'll be another new "feature".
2. Introduce rudimentary features that have been around for years and then make it sound like they're new and awesome.
a. These were not available until 2009. MMS, cut-copy-paste, video recording, camera autofocus.
b. These were not available until 2010. Wallpaper, camera flash, multitasking, folders.
1. Their PR lies; about stats, about innovation, about anything
2. Jobs is a psycho
3. They make products for the technologically retarded and I am not technologically retarded
4. They lie
5. They lie
6. They are fanned by 1000000 douche bags across the US
7. They lie
Apple blows. Steve Jobs needs to die already.
Loving the contributions guys, keep em comming.
I hate how people always assume that there are more apps on an iphone - the Windows Mobile platform has been around for 10years, is completely open and anyone can install any software on their phone. There is no way apple ever will have an edge when they strange their software developers.
I hate how people will spend more money on a mac product that does exactly the same (if not less) as a similar product, because its 'apple'.
The iphone is like McDonalds. It tastes good (to they majority), its always the same (dependable) you have a great range (of whats on the menu) and anyone can hand over money and enjoy their food.
Windows Mobile is like cooking. If you don't know what your doing, you're going to be boiling 2minute noodles and not be that impressed compared to a happy meal. However if you're willing to learn about cooking, to put the time and effort into finding out what you can do with different ingrediants, how to put them together - then you can make an absolutely amazingly delicious meal for a fraction of the cost of takeaway food
Sure you can't just get delicious food if you're not willing to put the time in, but if you are? You can get something that meets your every craving and satisfies all your tastes!
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2395315,00.asp#fbid=46CYcVkiOEC
Ultimately, though, Fadell's point of view won out. Apple acquired a couple of chip companies, PA Semi and Intrinsity, and created its own chips, the A4 and later A5. Jobs explains why he didn't go with Intel for the iPad and iPhone in the book.
"There were two reasons we did not go with them" he said. "One was that they are just really slow. They are like a steamship, not very flexible. We are used to going pretty fast. Second is that we just did not want to teach them everything, which they could go and sell to our competitors,"
Jobs also voiced other criticisms. He said Intel's "graphics suck" and that its processors don't have the same system-on-a-chip efficiencies of the A4/A5.
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Designed by Apple manufactured by Samsung, you don't see Apple or any other company give credit to Foxconn either so what's the difference here.
Illicit Hero said:
Designed by Apple manufactured by Samsung, you don't see Apple or any other company give credit to Foxconn either so what's the difference here.
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Not to mention, it behooves Samsung to get along well with Apple to keep their lucrative business. No way would samsung disrupt that flow of money from Apple. Apple could smack Samsung around all day long, every day, and Sammy would overlook it just to keep the extreme Apple revenue coming.
Samsung might be stuck working with Apple as part of a contract. Regardless of the open lawsuits. I would love to see Samsung pull the rug out from under Apple and watch them squirm.
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Samsung might be stuck working with Apple as part of a contract. Regardless of the open lawsuits. I would love to see Samsung pull the rug out from under Apple and watch them squirm.
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I'm pretty sure Samsung makes more money on selling parts to Apple than they make on their mobile phones so that would not be int their best interest.
All of these statements by Jobs just remind me that he never got any official degree in anything and it shows.
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I'm pretty sure Samsung makes more money on selling parts to Apple than they make on their mobile phones so that would not be int their best interest.
All of these statements by Jobs just remind me that he never got any official degree in anything and it shows.
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Shows what? How huge he built Apple or his opinion on products that sells like hotcakes? You don't need a paper to tell you that you are smart.
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Shows what? How huge he built Apple or his opinion on products that sells like hotcakes? You don't need a paper to tell you that you are smart.
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Glad you said it because I was going to. I know and knew more intelligent and inventive people who never had a modern education than anyone who did have. The only thing a paper gives a person is an ego.
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Shows what? How huge he built Apple or his opinion on products that sells like hotcakes? You don't need a paper to tell you that you are smart.
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I'm not saying he wasn't smart, just uneducated in that he always acted in ways that were more consumer-like than professional. Definitely not in any way downplaying the role he had on shaping the industry to what it is today nor any of his achievements.
People tend to not remember where ARM originally came from. Maybe Steve forgot Apple sold its share of it.
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People tend to not remember where ARM originally came from. Maybe Steve forgot Apple sold its share of it.
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People tend to not remember where ARM originally came from. Maybe Steve forgot Apple sold its share of it.
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Are you saying Apple owned ARM? If so, I learn something new every day.
See the wiki for "ARM Holdings" on why ARM was created in the first place.
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See the wiki for "ARM Holdings" on why ARM was created in the first place.
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Wow! Samsung basically is using Apple technology in their chips. Not only Samsung, but also a great many other companies use Apple tech in their products. Samsung owes a lot to Apple and they repay them by ripping them off.
It has always been said the Asians do a good job of copying the hard work of Western civilized nations. Much of the technology in the world came from the USA.
Well to be honest the USA is a bully to any small nation really. E.g. Cuba they have so many doctors and scientists there that could sell their medicine around the world and prosper themselves, but nope, the USA still keep the embargo on them so they're practically stuck. Or Mexico or any third world country, big corporations to medium sized corporations, and even the government sometimes, tend to exploit the labour force in a third world country. Or did you read the article of where US scientists went to a south American country and exploited the populace by administering them STD's and other diseases in "hopes of finding a cure for another." (Note the people did not even know what the scientists were gong to do with them)
So why did I say the USA is a bully, well because of their bullying, they are practically leaving the smaller nations or less prosperous nations, heck even some 1st world countries too, stuck or unable to develop. And since they are unable to develop, they have no new findings. Hence why USA is one of the only nations to have new findings, because they are the ones who allow or disallow countries to prosper.
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Well to be honest the USA is a bully to any small nation really. E.g. Cuba they have so many doctors and scientists there that could sell their medicine around the world and prosper themselves, but nope, the USA still keep the embargo on them so they're practically stuck. Or Mexico or any third world country, big corporations to medium sized corporations, and even the government sometimes, tend to exploit the labour force in a third world country. Or did you read the article of where US scientists went to a south American country and exploited the populace by administering them STD's and other diseases in "hopes of finding a cure for another." (Note the people did not even know what the scientists were gong to do with them)
So why did I say the USA is a bully, well because of their bullying, they are practically leaving the smaller nations or less prosperous nations, heck even some 1st world countries too, stuck or unable to develop. And since they are unable to develop, they have no new findings. Hence why USA is one of the only nations to have new findings, because they are the ones who allow or disallow countries to prosper.
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Well, for one thing, your talking about what the governments do and politics. No politics allowed. I had a thread that wasn't about politics, but because someone decided it was, the thread was closed. So if you want this thread to remain open, keep the politics out.
Ah I see. Well I stated what I stated to simply disprove the implication that the USA is the greatest nation with the greatest minds.
But on topic now, that is pretty cool that Apple invented ARM.
Kailkti said:
Ah I see. Well I stated what I stated to simply disprove the implication that the USA is the greatest nation with the greatest minds.
But on topic now, that is pretty cool that Apple invented ARM.
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ARM existed long before Apple's involvement.
They were one of the major RISC cpu developers.
All that happened was Apple needed a cpu for the Newton (remember that? Many people don't), ARM's RISC processor was nearly up to the job but they didn't have the financial resources to get it there, so Apple invested in them and they created a new company.
Apple provided money and the requirements, ARM and VLSI continued to design and create the CPUs.
For instance, many Brits will remember the BBC Master (first to use an ARM processor in certain models in 86, I miss those orange function keys) and Archimedes/A series, and the horrible RiscPC (powerful computer with very little software support that with "a flick of a switch" could be turned into a P60 dog with lots of software but not the grunt to run it, so basically the worst of both worlds).
I grew up with the BBC B with a sideways ROM/RAM board giving 48KB rather than the standard 32KB
Apple had been unsuccessful at getting into the UK Education market so attempted to ride on the back of Acron and set up Xemplar Software. It failed and they relocated to Eire after Acron sold their shares. I know several people who worked for Xemplar at the time.
By then ARM had long realised that it needed to expand the use of it's processors as schools were moving on to PCs, hence why they branched out into set top boxes for satelite and cable, and mobile devices.
fact trivia
1st ARM CPU = MOS 6502
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS_Technology_6502
ARM = Acorn RISC Machine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM
6502 is truly going back. Not sure I really want to remember the Vic 20/C64 days.
Ahhh oki. Thanks for clearing that up.
actually this isn't just about android, the same **** happens in forms about everything from TV series, movie stars to books and video card manufacturers, who knows.
What happens is whenever I make a post about something negative about whatever is discussed in the forum, everyone wants to kill me. I mean what the ****? Nothing is perfect okay? It’s a sad fact of life, learn to accept it?
It would seem to me that many people here tend to think their awesome magical super multitasking gigantic 6.99in. screen octa-core hyper-fast android phone with 35 home screens 126 gadgets, running a different LWP on each homescreen, customized to the last pixel, rooted even before being produced, quad-led flash and 82mp camera with 10x optical zoom and phase-detect autofocus and optical inferred, ultraviolet, x-ray mode, with photon-multiplying night vision, with built-in light saber, smartphone. Is the most perfect phone ever to be conceived since before the Big Bang, never to be seen again, not in this universe, or any other coming after it, or any other parallel to it, by any intelligence, divine or not, alive or not, carbon based or not, organic or mechanical, conscious or not. Not even the all-powerful all-knowing omnipotent omniscient Yahweh can reproduce, or even conceive its intricate design.
It’s just so sad whenever I post something going against such a belief without repeatedly expressing it was definitely caused by my own stupidity and inability to write my own operating system with machine language from the ground up blind folded one handed on a phone, debugging it, and installing it on the very same phone, without any other device or help. It seems that if I don’t do that, I am not allowed to say anything negative about android or people would try to kill me.
I know you have your explanations, you call it the “constructive criticism” standard. Something like, as I understand it, if I wanted to say something bad about android, I better have a solution for it. So if I don’t have a solution we should just sweep it under the rug and never mention it? Why is that? Cuz someone might get upset? I mean how pathetic? Like does your life’s sole purpose depend on the invincibility of the argument of your phone’s perfect design?
Now let me say something more serious. You shouldn’t find your confidence in your phone, or the brand of your motherboard, or the price of your watch, or the horsepower of your car, or the cup size of your girlfriend. Because all these, one day they won’t be there with you, they all diminish with time. So go find something more worthwhile, so you don’t get mad when people convince you that your phone isn’t perfect.
Well, I want to kill you for making a hard to read post.
In before the lock?
I don't see anything specifically lock-worthy, but, just in case ib4c since Archer told us not to post ib4l ....it will probably go on for a bit since Archer is likely asleep and I don't see vanessaem online.
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OP suffers death by paper cuts.
But there's one thing perfect about android. It is always better than apple products. No matter how **** the android or how good the apple product.
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jacobgong said:
actually this isn't just about android, the same **** happens in forms about everything from TV series, movie stars to books and video card manufacturers, who knows.
What happens is whenever I make a post about something negative about whatever is discussed in the forum, everyone wants to kill me. I mean what the ****? Nothing is perfect okay? It’s a sad fact of life, learn to accept it?
It would seem to me that many people here tend to think their awesome magical super multitasking gigantic 6.99in. screen octa-core hyper-fast android phone with 35 home screens 126 gadgets, running a different LWP on each homescreen, customized to the last pixel, rooted even before being produced, quad-led flash and 82mp camera with 10x optical zoom and phase-detect autofocus and optical inferred, ultraviolet, x-ray mode, with photon-multiplying night vision, with built-in light saber, smartphone. Is the most perfect phone ever to be conceived since before the Big Bang, never to be seen again, not in this universe, or any other coming after it, or any other parallel to it, by any intelligence, divine or not, alive or not, carbon based or not, organic or mechanical, conscious or not. Not even the all-powerful all-knowing omnipotent omniscient Yahweh can reproduce, or even conceive its intricate design.
It’s just so sad whenever I post something going against such a belief without repeatedly expressing it was definitely caused by my own stupidity and inability to write my own operating system with machine language from the ground up blind folded one handed on a phone, debugging it, and installing it on the very same phone, without any other device or help. It seems that if I don’t do that, I am not allowed to say anything negative about android or people would try to kill me.
I know you have your explanations, you call it the “constructive criticism” standard. Something like, as I understand it, if I wanted to say something bad about android, I better have a solution for it. So if I don’t have a solution we should just sweep it under the rug and never mention it? Why is that? Cuz someone might get upset? I mean how pathetic? Like does your life’s sole purpose depend on the invincibility of the argument of your phone’s perfect design?
Now let me say something more serious. You shouldn’t find your confidence in your phone, or the brand of your motherboard, or the price of your watch, or the horsepower of your car, or the cup size of your girlfriend. Because all these, one day they won’t be there with you, they all diminish with time. So go find something more worthwhile, so you don’t get mad when people convince you that your phone isn’t perfect.
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You make a thread titled "Android is not perfect" and don't give a single reason why it's not perfect. Instead you go insulting those who use the operating system (Which I would hardly call constructive criticism). Yes most of us realize that Android is not perfect. Software will never be perfect. There will always be better and more things to add. Now I agree with you in that some people take the specs of their phone way too seriously but that is not the majority of users.
P.S. It's not just Android people that will get mad if you start insulting. If you go to an Ubuntu forum and telling them that Linux is crap, they will yell at you. Same with an iPhone forum.
Oh and...
I'd rather kill the OP than read that wall of text. I don't think anyone would mind that..
I'll never understand why someone would go to the effort of typing up such a rant and not even bother to make it readable? Isn't the whole point of rants like this to have people read them (and based on the title, incite some kind of argument, it's obvious troll bait)?
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I'll never understand why someone would go to the effort of typing up such a rant and not even bother to make it readable? Isn't the whole point of rants like this to have people read them (and based on the title, incite some kind of argument, it's obvious troll bait)?
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Yeah, I truly didn't read it. I guess the bait worked anyway.
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Yeah, I truly didn't read it. I guess the bait worked anyway.
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I tried but gave up when I realized it was just a block of text (made it maybe five words in).
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I tried but gave up when I realized it was just a block of text (made it maybe five words in).
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Bless your heart, you made it that far.
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m1l4droid said:
I made about 2 lines in but then realized it was gibberish.
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I hardly ever do what I did. I opened the thread, saw the huge block of letters and scrolled down and made my first post in the blink of an eye.
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I made about 2 lines in but then realized it was gibberish.
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You must be a masochist.
TheSkinnyDrummer said:
I hardly ever do what I did. I opened the thread, saw the huge block of letters and scrolled down and made my first post in the blink of an eye.
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A very appropriate response given the (lack of) content therein.
Y...M...C...A...
Everybody!
mf2112 said:
A very appropriate response given the (lack of) content therein.
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Did you just insult me? Too many 6+ letter words.
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