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Everybody is a cooking master these days?

Pretty wierd, Itje has been in-active for a couple of days (probably due to easter) and all of a sudden everybody is "releasing" roms like its there speciality?
And when i read these threads and somebody askes a simple thing as "are you putting youtube in it?" i see answers like "it is pretty hard to get youtube up and running, i dont know how to do that"..
Is this something everybody wants to see? Imo cooking/releasing roms should be done only by people who have the knowledge and knowhow off everything.

FalkenX said:
Pretty wierd, Itje has been in-active for a couple of days (probably due to easter) and all of a sudden everybody is "releasing" roms like its there speciality?
And when i read these threads and somebody askes a simple thing as "are you putting youtube in it?" i see answers like "it is pretty hard to get youtube up and running, i dont know how to do that"..
Is this something everybody wants to see? Imo cooking/releasing roms should be done only by people who have the knowledge and knowhow off everything.
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If they want to try to cook, why not?
It's only a win-win situation
They learn more & have more experiences and maybe they'll even getting better than Itje

very very succinctly put..
jerpeleas kitchen is very very simple to use.
and is perfect for creating that "personal rom"
unfortunately, whats happening is what often happens, and is that everyone suddenly decides to throw out that personal rom for public consumption.
now i think its great that people are trying things out, but i do think, ladies and gentlemen that you should keep your experiments a bit more "internal" at least till you understand what you're doing a bit better..
please??

fards said:
very very succinctly put..
jerpeleas kitchen is very very simple to use.
and is perfect for creating that "personal rom"
unfortunately, whats happening is what often happens, and is that everyone suddenly decides to throw out that personal rom for public consumption.
now i think its great that people are trying things out, but i do think, ladies and gentlemen that you should keep your experiments a bit more "internal" at least till you understand what you're doing a bit better..
please??
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Agreed. Glad to see more cooks or more people willing to learn to cook. But sad to see lots of them either unfinished, or not tested fully w/ lots of bugs here and there. And I don't see any unique features/characteristic/fixes among most of them since all are based on the same kitchen without going into details to learn and create.

In other words, people, if you wanna try to cook your own roms thats your own choice, but stop the posting on the forums if there arent any new feautures/bug fixes in it.

alway nice to see more people cooking.
but like myself i cooked a rom with jerpelea's kitchen.
i twisted and turned allot over and made it to my personal favors.
but i won't release for public just because it is to my own taste and i know that allot of peoplehere have different choises and willings.
it's great that cooking is made easy for everybody but if you don't have the real knowledge like our first timer chefs keep it for yourself and enjoy it as much as you can!
but hey..
that's just me

The word is not "cook" kids: it's READ and SEARCH.
Spread the word
I cook
You cook
He cooks
She cooks
We cook
You cook
They cook
But jerpelea is the biggest cooker of them all !!
Been cooking since january over WinMo 6.5, nothing worth sharing yet... until jerpelea uploaded his kitchen and I solved 6 weeks of problems in 6 minutes:
I eagerly read all 49 pages of his suggestions/tips, and included a couple of his packages into my own recipe, now I can fire the oven

knaplullig said:
alway nice to see more people cooking.
but like myself i cooked a rom with jerpelea's kitchen.
i twisted and turned allot over and made it to my personal favors.
but i won't release for public just because it is to my own taste and i know that allot of peoplehere have different choises and willings.
it's great that cooking is made easy for everybody but if you don't have the real knowledge like our first timer chefs keep it for yourself and enjoy it as much as you can!
but hey..
that's just me
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yup I've been cooking my own for a while now, but I've never released one.. mostly as I do it to learn more..

ive made 6.5/manila2 roms but havnt uploaded them because of this whole situation.
I do think however its better that ppl make their own roms and learn more about their phones then being a drone to somone else.
Its too bad that some in the past ruined it for some to truelly learn what needs to be changed in some cases. because alot of cooks are protecting their roms. so disecting their rom to see whats really in it is a bit harder then normal.
not speaking down to itje or about him. but if we were able to truely dissasemble his rom we could find out why myfaves doesnt work.
but cooking my own rom i got myfaves working but using jerpelea kitchen i get dumb little bugs

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but stop the posting on the forums if there arent any new feautures/bug fixes in it.
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That's not what I mean. But I wish new cooks instead to rush out a buggy rom (especially for 6.5 which is still beta and still with lots of issues w/ X1), could spent more time in clean up and bugfix, then release an tested and quality rom. It just a waste of time of you and your users if your rom is too buggy to be useful. Or released roms w/ features/softwares w/ bugs and issues that you don't have idea how to get them fix.

I kinda like to see all the new ROMS out. We went from 1 or 2 to a bunch. Granted there are a lot of buggy ROMS and people should do a lot more searching and more beta testing but being one of the new cooks i can see the reason for trying to release it. Some people use there phones completely differently that you do so i would think that others would find bugs that you don't. I know when i released my lite rom there were issues that i never even thought of trying so i had like 5 versions in like 2 weeks.
Most people don't add new features because a lot of the stuff is hard to come by in my opinion that is. They just release a different take on the programs and features.
I dunno just my take....

shadowmike said:
Its too bad that some in the past ruined it for some to truelly learn what needs to be changed in some cases. because alot of cooks are protecting their roms. so disecting their rom to see whats really in it is a bit harder then normal.
not speaking down to itje or about him. but if we were able to truely dissasemble his rom we could find out why myfaves doesnt work.
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I am not sure if this is his true intention. But you got to understand this is the side effect that the Bepe's kitchen he use (which is a lot more effieicent and easy to manage, and I start to use it as well since my V3.x series).
In fact, Itje is very generous in sharing what he could share in the Chef sharing thread, or his own threads w/ the helps from Fards, Akp99 (man, how come I don't have such an helpful team???). All you need is search, or ask the right man.

I have seen the same thing..
I welcome new chefs..its all good, but as said before, its not the "real" work of chefs, its more a "Ikea" sollution, buy/get the kitchen parts..put it together and use it at home...
And as jack said, please guys keep making roms..its cool..but rather then releasing roms that others has made (Jerpelea) try to make one from scratch...
I must also admit with this new wave of chefs, it also keeps getting very annoying that many of the new rom makers keep sending pm's, e-mails and adds me to msn. It didnt bother me at start, but now Its getting pretty frustrating.
And I am not even allowed to say no, they keep on coming asking for everything I know, everything I got..and if I say no, im a cocky mofo who wants to be the topchef all by himself..etc etc
I have to be rude, and I have to put ppls requests down. If not, I would not have time to do make new roms, because I was personally guiding everyone else.
That IS NOT why im here. I have no interest at all beeing a teacher...I can share stuff, but then I also like to get something back (not talking donations here) and that is a more respectful tone, specialy when I decline helping.
But, I try to point ppl in the right directions..telling them what to look for or where to find a thread with the stuff they need..usually that is not enough...cause they keep coming back asking what to look for....
But then I dont reply, because if you cant find it, then you can find another hobby..and that I dont back up on..
I have been searching this forums, so many times for new stuff, to learn new things, and I STILL DO.
I help if I can, I share when I can..but dont add me to msn to ask for cooking help. Cause you wont get it..sorry.
I know this post can be considered a bit off topic..but then again, its not..cause that is whats happening "behind the scene" of all the new "chefs"
Im sorry if this offends anyone..and im sure there is ppl among the new guys that are gonna get way better then me in this...after all, its just a hobby

I dont like ppl dissambling my roms
I tried for some time to have open roms..damn I even left in the rgus, so ppl could dump the rom and recook for personal use..
But what they didnt know was that I hid some small codes in the base of the rom
So when suddenly new roms started popping up..from ppl claiming it was their own work...can you guys guess what I found in the roms???? nahhhh..guess one more time
Then I made some "rules" Do not recook and release my roms, or I will protect them...
To bad..it still happened...
So I locked my roms, and if ppl dont like it...I dont care

Oh please don't take what ive said the wrong way. I understand the reasoning behind it.
not to be that guy but i still get the files i need from ur rom. like new images for replacement of the old green highlights.
but i also respect your work to not release anything as i understand how time consuming it is.
as i used to skin for psp's and windows mobile 6 and 6.1 standard neo and sliding panel home screens.

I have to say I've been reading this thread with particular interest, as I could be considered one of the "chefs" Itje is talking about as I recently asked him to point me in the direction of how to create ROMs. I personally found in all the custom ROMs that I tried several different little tweaks or something that I didn't use and wouldn't use and all I can say to people is, unless you've created a new TF3D or something HUGE then don't publicise ROMs - Once i eventually learn how to create on, I will simply use it just to create a ROM that is PERFECT for ME - and then I will work on creating something spectacular!
And that's my 15minutes of fame for the day
Nirave
P.S. I've just re-read the post and there is no hidden meaning in what I said regarding asking Itje! I know it sounds like there is, but there's not !

I'll open it out a little more: If anyone can help a long-time reader, small-time poster (ME!) and point me in the direction of how to create a custom ROM I'll be ever grateful
thanks
nirave

nirave said:
I have to say I've been reading this thread with particular interest, as I could be considered one of the "chefs" Itje is talking about as I recently asked him to point me in the direction of how to create ROMs. I personally found in all the custom ROMs that I tried several different little tweaks or something that I didn't use and wouldn't use and all I can say to people is, unless you've created a new TF3D or something HUGE then don't publicise ROMs - Once i eventually learn how to create on, I will simply use it just to create a ROM that is PERFECT for ME - and then I will work on creating something spectacular!
And that's my 15minutes of fame for the day
Nirave
P.S. I've just re-read the post and there is no hidden meaning in what I said regarding asking Itje! I know it sounds like there is, but there's not !
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dont worry, im not aiming at any person...but its a typical thing...its the same over and over again...same way

I dont see any problems in all these new roms. If there is nothing special, people wont be interested so that the "problem" will be solved by itself.

itje said:
dont worry, im not aiming at any person...but its a typical thing...its the same over and over again...same way
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Yes, I'm an Ikea cook, as Itje said. I'm only ever after a bare-bones ROM with whatever XIP\SYS improvements updates may provide.
I once published one of my "Ikea assembly" efforts for my earlier Eten X500, acknowledging the base was from PDAVIET, and was inundated with requests, complaints etc etc. So now I just use these Ikea efforts.
Question: does anyone know why official ROM updates seem never to use NETCF3.5 over v2.xx ?
V3.5 has been available for well over 18 months now

Why is ROM cooking not organized like open source development?

Hi all,
I really appreciate the work of all ROM cookers, even if I don't use a ROM from XDA anymore. (I was using some german releases here for quite some time)
I don't know much about ROM cooking, since I'm a SAP and Web-Deveopment guy, but I always asking myself:
Why is ROM cooking not like open source stuff?
Why is everyone/every group cooking it's own little stuff?
Why not working together on few versions to provide a ultimate, stable, bugfree, nice documented and "perfect" ROM?
Newbies are totally overloaded with 1337 ROM releases, which they should take? Where to find help for your decision? Not everyone has the time/KnowHow to try out 5+ ROMs...
There are so many many advantages if they would do so:
+ bugfixes are done only one time, not many times for many different roms
+ bugfixes are always up to date
+ mistakes are not done multiple times
+ more manpower to test/optimize/develop roms (since everyone works together)
+ clean and clear buglist and release history
+ bugtracking (easier for community to post bugs via bugtracker, easier to develop for cookers)
+ better for newbies (a stronger/bigger community is maybe not a bad thing?) - people know what to download (stable/beta/nightly builds releases - maybe light and full ROMs)
+ many many more, maybe even better reasons
And you can still release ROMs weekly and in multiple version (nightly builds, betas, alphas) but you also can make rock solid milestone releases for the community.
My feeling is SOMETIMES (not in all cases!), that cookers try to compete against each other, than working together.
As I said, its just a feeling... nothing personal against anyone.
Of course there are also disadvantages in organizing such a "structure", but in the end if a cooker would stop developing and invest this time into organizing the rest in to a developer group, that would be a benefit everyone. Means, a bit less "development power", but a lot more efficient developing. The big picture counts.
Just wanted to start a discussion about this thing. It is not like I'm totally experienced in this topic.
Because to be honest... much of the work (which is great and I really appreciate) is done multiple multiple times.
And many many ROMs are more or less the same. Different languages and "feature" levels like Light/Full would be sufficient.

It does seem like a good idea. Certainly, it would allow the chefs to develop an amazing Manilla X1 ROM, and a non-Manilla ROM, 6.1 ROM and a 6.5 ROM, light/full versions and other languages quite effectively. However, I'm not sure how much the chefs would like it. It would however, be excellent for the community. Would be interesting to hear the chefs views on this.

rom are developed really fast. too much people, too much organizations will slow down development.
most part of developers has trusted betatester and bug solver, working in small groups. afaik, looking at whole forum productions, this model works pretty well

yes I have the same question
if we all put our knowledge / findings together @ the cheffs share centre thread it would be A high mile achievement

guap said:
rom are developed really fast. too much people, too much organizations will slow down development.
most part of developers has trusted betatester and bug solver, working in small groups. afaik, looking at whole forum productions, this model works pretty well
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I'm not too sure if you can call this situation "well". I would say it "kinda works".
And yes, in the short run, the development is slower, but in the long run the development is faster, because it is more efficient and there is less work which is done multiple times. As I said, it is the big picture you have to see, in the long run this would be much better.
Additionally to that "new" cooks who maybe have a new bugfix and want to release that, they have to do many of the other fixes again to release a new ROM (additionally to that they lack experience and will make "new" bugs).
In a single project, they simply post their fix, and the main developers check and integrate the fix ... done. Next build it is included.
And that's much faster!! And it is double checked for mistakes for more stable releases.
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For the user it is unthinkable to update the ROM every week. There is a need for some "stable"-like ROM for general users.
The level of final release ROMs here are more or less like "Firefox RC" or even "Beta" Versions.

this is not the 1st time someone like u come up with this......loads of ppl had the same request. even i saw atleast a couple of such thread in this x1 thread!!!
but they neva work in most cases.....i only saw one such successful project!!!

That's not a bad idea at all.
I have been active for sometime with XDA equivalent for AVM Fritz modems (ip-phone-forum), together they made a compiler tool (Freetz.org) for all avm fritz modems, users download one tool, launch and select what features they want in their router, and build a new firmware/ROM, and there is a huge forum for support.
well, i don't say to make such a tool (while it will be so interesting to have, at least one per smartphone model)
having a xda organized in the way mentioned, many bugs can be resolved easily.
in the current state, a newbie will have much difficulty to read a 200 page thread about some custom ROM to find that in post 1232 describes the issue he encountered and later has been fixed in post 1325....
i was going to ask about making a sub forum per each custom rom, with threads divided per subjects, so if someone encounter an SMS issue will have to read one thread completely about sms issues rather than a very long one about all issues in that custom rom.....
if something could be done, then it will become much easier for everybody !!!

great idea.
There is one issue though: people have strong personal flavors of ROMs. Some might want a fast and lean ROM while others might want a mighty one.
I guess some kind of sophisticated branching is needed to accommodate these requests

yes, different tastes, but same bugs
I am down on a common knowledge database, willing to share and learn

It would be great indeed to have a common project but all chefs would need to aim to the same release that would take time to come to a common design and implementation.
Hope this can happen though!

Maybe a cooperation of some chefs would help to reach something here.

mercuriussan said:
And yes, in the short run, the development is slower, but in the long run the development is faster, because it is more efficient and there is less work which is done multiple times. As I said, it is the big picture you have to see, in the long run this would be much better.
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The problem is there is no long run for rom cooking.
Most of us (users or cook) seldom use a single phone longer than a year and we moved to a next device and start everything from the ground up again.
Even you keep the same device for a long time, newer WM build or other components comes very frequently and there's always a tradeoff between "new features" vs "stability". And every cook has their own perference and it natural to see varies roms among cooks. Therefore, it will never have an easy solution for rom user.
For cooks, we could open threads for individual components and work together. I did open a threads for TF3D v2 (landscape), and HD Camera as a project base, and Itje already create a chef discussion thread and I think this model works pretty well for cooks.

agree with jackleung in some points
I've created a Topic for cooking with windows mobile 6.5, too.
Everyone was invited to discuss their bugs and help each other.
But none like it really.
Or none got bugs

Basically what everyone wants is a ROM with PURE Windows Mobile as Microsoft gives it to manufacturers(No HTC, Sonyericsson stuff), cabs/packages of different applications and a program that combines all of them together according to individual needs.

Incomplete ROMS, are you serious?!

So I was trying to help my little brother get a custom ROM from XDA so he can enjoy his Wing. Well, ends up half of the chefs out there create roms without important features. For example, no MMS. Ok, so maybe you can get away with that since you can download Arcsoft and install it afterwards. However, question remains, why don't the chefs include Arcsoft already in their roms like they used to on XDA with the MDA, etc?!
So fine, no MMS, install it later. How about required functions? For example NO CAMERA SOFTWARE!?!? Are you serious chefs? I mean I know you take out things like ringtones, carrier bloat, etc, but CAMERA?! Now, the MDA, when a chef took out the camera it was because THEY WERE REPLACING IT WITH A BETTER CAMERA SOFTWARE.
What gives XDA?! I am noticing this in other ROM threads for other phones. Even some of the latest phones have this issue too. Rhodium roms missing landscape mode?! It's a Rhodium, it has both landscape and portrait!
Either way, so fine, you want to make these roms available to the public. No problem. Ever think about creating a TEST ROMS section INSIDE OF XDA ROMS?!
So another example. One section for "INCOMPLETE BETA SUPER TEST ROMS" and another for "The phone should still be able to use all hardware on it with this ROM" section. How about that for a little more clarity?!
I can't beleive what's happened to beloved XDA. Shame. Big shame.

Weeeeelllllll......not to sound super preachy....but you do realize that you are getting all of this FOR FREE right? Most of the time the reason that commericial programs aren't cooked into ROMs is because they are just that, commercial. AFAIK we could get in MUCH more trouble if we included a bunch of commercial stuff in them. I know that the Wizard has TONs of ROMs with built in stuff that is commercial, I used to be a cook over there, and in my opinion the reason for that is because there is so much crap in that forum that the mods and such arent going to look at every ROM for illegal crap, whereas in this much smaller forum here for the Herald we have fewer members and fewer ROMs but I think like 2 or 3 mods, so they have less to look at and more time to do it.
Long post short, you get this stuff for free...at the most what cooks ask for is a donation, ROMs as they are no matter what are technically illegal piecs of software, and at any time if Microsoft REALLY wanted to they could have XDA shut down without another word..so basically, if you don't like it-cook your own ROM with what you want already in it or stop complaining!
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Every people cooking ROMs tries to cook the way the most useful for his/her device, and test some apps or abilities from the ROM.
And as you've read, they share their ROMs "for free" so that you can enter here, search, and download the ROM you want, flash it and play with it.
Nobody sells anything. There's no agreement to sign. There's no compromise except the wish to make things well - to every chef's taste.
You don't like this chef, this cook, this dish, then you are free to change restaurant. People is here to discover, develop, and share ideas. If you like stock ROMs with all the features, then get one of them.

The best you can do is to write a factually comment into the thread, where you have downloaded the ROM. This is the right way, to get an answer. But don´t insult the cookers. Here are kitchens presented, so that you can make it better for your own, if you want.

chillax
MMS is a carrier specific issue. Roms atleast for this fone aren't carrier specific... Yea this stuff is free and you'll have to use a little elbow grease to get it workin in the way u want. If you want a specific app cooked into your rom be it commercial or not cook it in yourself, just be careful of rammifications if you share your rom with the public. Kitchens are not rocket science, just grab on and slam into it head first

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Weeeeelllllll......not to sound super preachy....but you do realize that you are getting all of this FOR FREE right? Most of the time the reason that commericial programs aren't cooked into ROMs is because they are just that, commercial. AFAIK we could get in MUCH more trouble if we included a bunch of commercial stuff in them. I know that the Wizard has TONs of ROMs with built in stuff that is commercial, I used to be a cook over there, and in my opinion the reason for that is because there is so much crap in that forum that the mods and such arent going to look at every ROM for illegal crap, whereas in this much smaller forum here for the Herald we have fewer members and fewer ROMs but I think like 2 or 3 mods, so they have less to look at and more time to do it.
Long post short, you get this stuff for free...at the most what cooks ask for is a donation, ROMs as they are no matter what are technically illegal piecs of software, and at any time if Microsoft REALLY wanted to they could have XDA shut down without another word..so basically, if you don't like it-cook your own ROM with what you want already in it or stop complaining!
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I understand, trust me. I don't think you are preaching. In the days when I first got my Wizard (MDA) the roms did not require much addition of software. You could choose a rom and the chef would do more work in letting you know about the rom. ie: Missing this, missing that, has this, has that...etc. I came across two ROMs in particular that did not mention such things to me and was shocked about it.
After further reading the posts in the ROM Chef's thread, I discovered that the chef did not care that the needed app was not working and had asked all users to just download an older build of the ROM instead of trying to get a functional ROM shared.
Now I understand that apparently XDA came under great legal threat from several companies about their roms/software being released here for free(whether or not it left the phones without critical functions). For this reason, to remain alive, XDA had to comply by these rules and just let the chefs make the ROM itself and anyone willing to put up with not having a phone or camera or keyboard or touchscreen working on their phone would test the ROMs out and figure out how to get critical functions back by themselves because it would destroy XDA if the ROMs had this software included.
Back then it was considered hard work simply downloading/burning a ROM that a Chef made, but these days you even have to install the basic function apps yourself if you want to participate. Hopefully it doesn't get much worse than that. I really want my Touch Pro 2 to have an XDA ROM running on it in the near future with WM 6.5 and enjoy butter smooth, reliable operation.

afn691 said:
You don't like this chef, this cook, this dish, then you are free to change restaurant. People is here to discover, develop, and share ideas. If you like stock ROMs with all the features, then get one of them.
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The successor of Dutty??

Hi Guys,
It has been a while that i flashed my rom since Dutty has left us.
I am wondering wich cooker come closest to Dutty. I know that a Rom is a personal thing.
I am running sense 2.1 holy grail r01 now some improvements on new roms.

Well before this thread gets quickly locked down
There are plenty of good chefs here at least as good as Dutty ever was . Read the threads, see what bugs are being experienced, see what type of roms appeal to you and try a few out. As you rightly said they are personal things, so what appeals to one may not be to your liking.
Edit: The more experienced ones for Blackstone are miri, nrg with some newer chefs such as XannyTech, Flashmore, Hello Nasty amongst others (no offense intended to anyone I left out ) and they all do great jobs.

Xannytech roms are very...very good.

*justintime* said:
Hi Guys,
It has been a while that i flashed my rom since Dutty has left us.
I am wondering wich cooker come closest to Dutty. I know that a Rom is a personal thing.
I am running sense 2.1 holy grail r01 now some improvements on new roms.
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Not a fair question to ask as all chefs put a lot of effort in there Roms and to start ranking chefs is really deminishing there work while highlighting only one. That's not the goal of this thread.
Suggestion: Flash a couple of Roms and be your own judge. Visit the chefs thread and do some reading helps as well.
Good luck in your voyage....

I have tried, and i recommend:
-Laurentius26: Really smooth and stable
-NRGZ28: Really good looking. Includes a lot of apps and good theme.

A simple thing to do is:
1. Back up your current ROM (using Sprite and PIM Backup). That way, in case you don't like what you see with whatever you're trying, you can simply go back to the ROM and reload Sprite and PIM files.
2. Load up Sashimi with all the cabs you use (to device and storage card)
3. Download whatever ROM you're going to try out (don't forget to hard reset after loading)
4. Load up Sashimi to load all programs, restore your PIM file
and you're done.
That's what I do...it's all a matter of trial and preferences. Sure, some time is invested in finding the ROM you like, however, I'm sure that everyone would agree that once they find "IT", it's makes for a more enjoyable experience in using their phone.
There will be one or two things you don't like about a ROM, but isn't that a fact of life, that nothing is ever perfect???

As much as Dutty is a great chef, there are plenty of others chefs which are just as good, possibly better so its unfair to these chefs that put so much hard work in that you ask this question. Users also have loyalties so will obviously recommend there favourites. Everyone has different opinions and as such there is no real answer.
Best advice is to backup and flash some yourself to make your own conclusion
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Fastest X1 ROM out there?

Hi
What custom ROM would you say is the fastest one out there. Does not matter if its 6.1 or 6.5, just need it to be fast.
Many thanks

826x or dynamics 2.0 any of these i'm currently using 826x latest build and it is blazing fast xD

how about "test them yourself?!"
and how about "ask in the right forum?!" this isn't exactly a dev-related question.
oh, and the fastest rom with what? with sense? without? bare-rom? or do you want applications installed? questions like "which is the fastest?" are pretty useless. or the best. or the most stable.
and above all, they're just plain lazy!
just go and flash the roms that are actively developed. there aren't that many left these days. noone knows how you use your phone and you don't know how other people use their phones. or how many roms they've tried before saying "this is the best".

Well
If you want fast for X1 stay with the original ROM (6.1). It was design for this device so you will get the least bugs and SOD's.
As for me I used Energy and couple other ones, they were OK but after having my device replaced I never got back to flash custom ROM.
I heard 826x is good and so is Dynamics 2.0 (this Dynamics will be releasing new ROM soon...so he said).
@caliban2
I thought this was user friendly forum there is no need for your replay like that.
I agree that every one is using their device different way, but can you image what would happen if people would not voice their opinion? This world would go to crapper dude.
Every opinion counts and maybe you are tech savvy, not every one is, and even you were not born that way, you had to ask questions. Right?
We all make mistakes as some point in our lives, little pointers the right directions are good, but comments like yours don't make friends.
Also I though that in order to ask question in dev forum you need to be some sort of level (like 10 post or something like that).
Like the old saying goes "If you don't have nothing nice to say, don't say it at all."

JarekG said:
[...]Every opinion counts and maybe you are tech savvy, not every one is, and even you were not born that way, you had to ask questions. Right?
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wrong.
i had to search & read a lot before becoming the 47th person asking the same question again - i think there's something in the rules about that. and how many "best rom/fastest rom"-threads are there now? aren't those in general / q&a section enough? and don't tell me this thread has anything to do with if someone's "tech-savvy"...
but hey, if you guys are happy going through the same topic over and over again - have fun!

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but hey, if you guys are happy going through the same topic over and over again - have fun!
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Thank you, see was that so hard?
P.S.
As new ROMs are being create "the same topics" are not exactly the same...like ford is not the same this year as it was couple of years back....or even last year.
good thing is:
i don't get any of the bugs reported in here. but then, i'm not really running the same rom.
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Does this look familiar? If last year ROMs are as good as this year, why are you using ultrashot kitchen to create new ROM?
Why Energy is updating his every few days?
Why not use jerpelea last years kitchen?
See my point?

in my opinion best custom ROM for X1 is gtrab's SEX1 Pure ROM
It's WM6.5 with Titanium and all XPeria stuff (without Sense). Zero weird customizations, just OS upgrade from WM6.1 to WM6.5.

JarekG said:
Thank you, see was that so hard?
P.S.
As new ROMs are being create "the same topics" are not exactly the same...like ford is not the same this year as it was couple of years back....or even last year.
Does this look familiar? If last year ROMs are as good as this year, why are you using ultrashot kitchen to create new ROM?
Why Energy is updating his every few days?
Why not use jerpelea last years kitchen?
See my point?
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don't get condescending. i don't think i need your permission or approval, hm?
it ain't hard at all. but at least keep it in the right forum, not dev.
why am i using dynamic-kitchen? because itje stopped cooking, i was using ervius kitchen after that and when ultrashot released his, he made it easy for me to make the switch to osbuilder.
you see? has nothing to do with "last years roms are still good". where did i say that anyway? but what's strange is that in these "best rom"-threads always very old roms are recommended: gtrab stopped cooking a long time ago, and now even stock is good?!
for the rest it simply comes down to personal taste. and how stable a rom is. so, what does it tell you if i say "in the past 2 years i never had a stable rom from agent47, gtrab, nrg or 826x etc. only itje and ultrashot made everyday-roms"?
right, it tells you nothing. because your experience and demands are different. also, saying "this is the best rom of them all" is quite demeaning to all the other cooks which provide you with a choice, don't you think?
but to keep with the thread:
from reading the last few pages of the active rom-threads, it looks like dynamics is the most stable combined with the latest software. 826x-series seems also fast and stable. oh, wait. now it's down again to personal taste, right?

You might want to take a look at this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1008038

caliban2 said:
don't get condescending. i don't think i need your permission or approval, hm?
it ain't hard at all. but at least keep it in the right forum, not dev.
why am i using dynamic-kitchen? because itje stopped cooking, i was using ervius kitchen after that and when ultrashot released his, he made it easy for me to make the switch to osbuilder.
you see? has nothing to do with "last years roms are still good". where did i say that anyway? but what's strange is that in these "best rom"-threads always very old roms are recommended: gtrab stopped cooking a long time ago, and now even stock is good?!
for the rest it simply comes down to personal taste. and how stable a rom is. so, what does it tell you if i say "in the past 2 years i never had a stable rom from agent47, gtrab, nrg or 826x etc. only itje and ultrashot made everyday-roms"?
right, it tells you nothing. because your experience and demands are different. also, saying "this is the best rom of them all" is quite demeaning to all the other cooks which provide you with a choice, don't you think?
but to keep with the thread:
from reading the last few pages of the active rom-threads, it looks like dynamics is the most stable combined with the latest software. 826x-series seems also fast and stable. oh, wait. now it's down again to personal taste, right?
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Heheh...you are funny.

Thanks guys for taking the time to reply to my question. And yes, maybe the question was not clear enough when i wrote it for some people.
I am looking for the fastest custom, dont need any preinstalled programs or any fancy things. Its gonna be used on a device to remote control the PC, so the only thing i will be needing is a VNC program, and that i can download by myself.
I actually searched the forums for a related topic before i started this one, and could not find any that was up to date enough. This topic is not like the other ones where people ask "whats the best rom", i am looking for a specific thing in the rom, it needs to be fast.
Anyhow, thanks for the tips for those that replied.
@caliban2, I am looking for other peoples opinons on what they think the fastest rom is, that is one of the things a forum is for, to hear other peoples opinons. Yes, i can test every single rom out there, but i thing its just better to check with the people more involved in the recent roms out there, thus this sub-forum.

that's indeed a different approach... ^^
sounds like you need just a fast barebone phone, with no fancy stuff at all and as much free resources as possible. in that case i think stockrom should be the best choice. winmo 6.1 is less demanding than 6.5, performance-wise.
so either stock or find an old custom-rom from 6.1-era (year 2009; there were a few, gtrab did such stuff and agent47 had one as well, iirc), where most apps were removed and nothing from htc has been added. you could also dump stockrom, remove stuff you don't need and re-cook your own barebone.
and of course, you can always go for a more recent 6.5-barebone, but 6.1 should be the optimum.

well a really fast ROM would be one running a bare WM6.1 or 6.5.x
you could try PURE. his ROMs are very minimalistic and emphasize on speed and functionality. and in my opinion they are very stable too. dont expect TF3D or sense though.
even ENERGY has very minimalistic ROMs. and since he has skinned various versions, u can choose the best one for you.
check these links out and see which u like.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=562935 -----> Energy
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=776946 -------> Russels Pure
alternately there's another thread i replied too. u may check it out to see if it helps as somebody else asked a similar question to you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1011108

caliban2 said:
how about "test them yourself?!"
and how about "ask in the right forum?!" this isn't exactly a dev-related question.
oh, and the fastest rom with what? with sense? without? bare-rom? or do you want applications installed? questions like "which is the fastest?" are pretty useless. or the best. or the most stable.
and above all, they're just plain lazy!
just go and flash the roms that are actively developed. there aren't that many left these days. noone knows how you use your phone and you don't know how other people use their phones. or how many roms they've tried before saying "this is the best".
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some people just get frustrated and angry sitting whole day long in front of their PC´s and phones it seems. Its a simple question and im here because i have also the same question. Someone whith a brain would start answering wit firts 6.5 or 6.5.3, of course bare , and which one is the fastest. Fast comes from speed and can be interpreted as a lack of delay or retardness, also. Anyhow if you want to give usefull answers or help with your knowledge then proof showing your angor to some real people ine real life.

Best Rom is Dynamics 2.1.

Best ROM
In my opinnion it is the x826 ROM. Before this rom is used the Energy Rom but, batterie life is not good with this rom, so I installed x826 ROM, it was faster, and more batterie friendly and I never had any error or freeze.

In my opinnion it is the x826 ROM

826x and happy camper. Been using it for about 2 months and it's working just fine for me.

i think official rom the best but energyRom and 826x is nice rom too,,,,

I tried almost every rom.but the best in speed with good programs is dynamics 2.2.0...u must forget about sense,the best with sense is 826x but have some problems.energy is full of useless programs