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So, as we generally disscussed google is blocking downloading of paid apps from market.
1) It is NOT related to your firmware version (JF\Stock\ADP etc.).
2) It is related to your IP. Means, if you're not a US T-mo resident, you can't see any of those marvelous apps.
So, The Test:
1) Can we copy\upload some of the "closed" apps?? ( Could be done through the Terminal Emulator
2) Try to run them.
To clarify the spirit of experiment, I'll suggest the cheapest apps to be tested, though they are hidden from us to. Any contributors ready to hit the new Scene?)
Here's what going on.
If you're IP is not from the US you will not see paid apps.
If your running ADP or have a ADP phone you will not see protected apps.
If you moved your app-private folder to sd you will also not see protected apps.
"So, The Test:
1) Can we copy\upload some of the "closed" apps?? ( Could be done through the Terminal Emulator
2) Try to run them."
No, that's stealing.
im.l0ltn said:
If you moved your app-private folder to sd you will also not see protected apps.
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Unfortunately, I have pretty much proven to myself that this is not the case. Yesterday I moved app-private to my SD's ext2 partition and subsequently lost access to paid apps so I thought moving them caused the the loss of access. I ran some experiments (detailed over around post272 in LucidREM's modded image sticky) and finally, after 3 or 4 experiments, gave up trying to pin down the cause. I moved app-private back to SD yesterday afternoon and have generally continued to have access to paid apps, both new ones and updates to ones I've already bought. They still disappear and, while I still have a hunch or two, I'm not yet ready to blame any action in particular.
Just my $.02
my app-private is on the ext2 sd and NO PROBLLEMm
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Unfortunately, I have pretty much proven to myself that this is not the case. Yesterday I moved app-private to my SD's ext2 partition and subsequently lost access to paid apps so I thought moving them caused the the loss of access. I ran some experiments (detailed over around post272 in LucidREM's modded image sticky) and finally, after 3 or 4 experiments, gave up trying to pin down the cause. I moved app-private back to SD yesterday afternoon and have generally continued to have access to paid apps, both new ones and updates to ones I've already bought. They still disappear and, while I still have a hunch or two, I'm not yet ready to blame any action in particular.
Just my $.02
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That's strange. The moment I deleted the link and remade the /data/app-private folder then rebooted, I could see protected paid apps again. I did this at least 3 times.
Smokuevo said:
my app-private is on the ext2 sd and NO PROBLLEMm
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Can you see protected apps such as bettercut and guitar hero on the market ?
I can't seem to figure this out. Sometimes apps are there, sometimes the ones that were there aren't anymore and its not developer pulling or any change on my phone. I'm unlocked on a dev phone on AT&T. I can see many paid apps (Task Manager, HelloIM) and the like, but I can't see things like the office one. One thing I've noticed is I have no app-private directory in /system. Just my $.02 but google you've shot yourself and developers in the foot here by basically making piracy a necessity unless we find away around it or you fix it.
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Can you see protected apps such as bettercut and guitar hero on the market ?
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I have mine moved to the sdcard, and I can see, install, and use BetterCut just fine. Even moved it, and all apps, back and forth from the sdcard just fine, with no problems.
Phromik said:
I have mine moved to the sdcard, and I can see, install, and use BetterCut just fine. Even moved it, and all apps, back and forth from the sdcard just fine, with no problems.
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Weird, for some reason its working for me again. I guess it was just my phone.
I have an ADP1 phone, and I'm quite irritated that I can't access copy-protected apps on it
Google's reasoning is to fight piracy, but there's more rooted G1s than there are ADP1s, and in my personal opinion, since most of the ADP1s in the wild are Google's own employees, I think their fear of "piracy" from ADP1 users is *seriously* overstated, compared to the regular G1s that have been rooted. I'd be far less upset if they just blocked all rooted phones, but singling out their own employees and their devs, and accusing them of being potential software pirates, while normal end users who have hacked their phones aren't even considered, well, I find it *quite* offensive.
rc33 1.42 app & app-private on sdcard.. no credit card so havent bought any
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That's strange. The moment I deleted the link and remade the /data/app-private folder then rebooted, I could see protected paid apps again. I did this at least 3 times.
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Yup, same thing happened to me. Other things I did made paid apps disappear too (like turning off my GSM radio and only using WiFi to access the Market), After spending most of an afternoon trying various scenarios to see which caused the apps to disappear, I gave up, moved apps back to my SD card and left them there. They still go missing every so often and I still can't figure out why or what causes them to disappear but I reboot and, generally, full access is restored.
why dont somebody just make a mod version of the app market or make another redesigned app market. im no expert btw.
sensimila said:
why dont somebody just make a mod version of the app market or make another redesigned app market. im no expert btw.
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I think this is because the market.apk is a close source program. I'm still a noob myself and I'm trying to learn a lot of new information.
If you guys want protected apps on your ADP just flash an RC build on it.
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If you guys want protected apps on your ADP just flash an RC build on it.
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That's a really piss poor solution, FYI. The whole point of ADP is having an unlocked and unbranded OS.
uberingram said:
That's a really piss poor solution, FYI. The whole point of ADP is having an unlocked and unbranded OS.
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flash the RC version, download your app, place it on your SD card, flash back to ADP, and re-create links for apps on SD, your app will still be there
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That's a really piss poor solution, FYI. The whole point of ADP is having an unlocked and unbranded OS.
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Could you please elaborate? Last time I checked T-mobile isn't branded ANYWHERE in the OS. Your "whole point" of having an ADP is slightly flawed.
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Could you please elaborate? Last time I checked T-mobile isn't branded ANYWHERE in the OS. Your "whole point" of having an ADP is slightly flawed.
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*cough* myFavs *cough*
haitiankid4lyf said:
rc33 1.42 app & app-private on sdcard.. no credit card so havent bought any
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Looking at the screen shots you have a lot of apps us uk users don't.
I've even put my phone back to standard just to see if having a rooted phone was stoping
Me from getting paid apps. Where left with all the crap ones now lol.
Not only am I a newbie, but I am also a timid newbie. I am reluctant to mess around with the stock software, and OS that came with my gTab. Most of the great apps, and advice on this site requires you to either flash the tablet, or root the device, etc. I am WAY too chicken to try this. I would love to be able to get to the usual Market as I can on my phone. I would also like to use Swype. Is there any way to "open" up the tablet to these without "major" surgery? I think a list of apps that can be manually installed would be helpful to inexperienced "chickens" like me. Or any add ons, that might improve our new baby would be most appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Search is a wonderful thing, everyone should try it...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858136
Warning, if you stick stock you may end up returning it
Flashing a room is not difficult if you read/search/research.
copc said:
Search is a wonderful thing, everyone should try it...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858136
Warning, if you stick stock you may end up returning it
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Don't be ridiculous, it is fine with a few tweaks.
Flashing a room is not difficult if you read/search/research.
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That is like buying a brand new car, and then replacing the engine. Fine for some, but really not necessary.
Reggie777: I am going to apply the newest update to my stock g-tablet. This usually wipes out all user changes, including installed apps. I will actually follow my own post about doing the changes. I can't remember everything!
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Don't be ridiculous, it is fine with a few tweaks.
That is like buying a brand new car, and then replacing the engine. Fine for some, but really not necessary.
Reggie777: I am going to apply the newest update to my stock g-tablet. This usually wipes out all user changes, including installed apps. I will actually follow my own post about doing the changes. I can't remember everything!
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Funny I had to pull nothing out of my gtab? LOL
Why would I pull the Tegra out just to flash a rom?
PS there is a reason that thread was on page 3 as there are fewer that are not flashing roms.
Plus the original point was that the "SEARCH" was a wonderful thing.
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Reggie777: I am going to apply the newest update to my stock g-tablet. This usually wipes out all user changes, including installed apps. I will actually follow my own post about doing the changes. I can't remember everything!
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I just did the 1.0.1-3053 update, and it appears all previous changes remained. I did have to re-root it with the z4root app. Those complaining of problems after this update seem to be running a customized ROM. You won't have these problems unless you flash a customized ROM.
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Don't be ridiculous, it is fine with a few tweaks.
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This whole argument is ridiculous. Not a single rom has done a single thing to the underlying "Stock" structure. They are all based from the original "Stock" stuff. The only thing they do is either add or subtract from the original base software.
There is no magic here. If you buy a new car and put shiny new wheels on it you have done the same thing. The car still has the stock engine, and basic structure. If you bought a house that was painted pink and didn't like how it looked you might paint it. Same house, just a new look.
So, your stock with tweaks is essentially the same as my stock with tweaks. I just choose to install the majority of the tweaks at one time with a simple rom update. You do yours one by one..
I don't care what anyone does with there tablet as long as you don't use it to start World War III. But the my mods are better than your mods argument is kind of silly.
Do whatever makes you happy. All I can say is that pretty much no matter what you do it can be put back to original in about 5 minutes. Boot loops, hangs, funky looking screens.. All part of the learning process. Some people seem to be more prone to it. Most of the issues I see people have come from them getting in a big hurry, not thoroughly reading the instructions given with almost every mod, and then flashing away. Slow down, read, and understand what you are doing and it will all typically go just fine.
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This whole argument is ridiculous. Not a single rom has done a single thing to the underlying "Stock" structure. They are all based from the original "Stock" stuff. The only thing they do is either add or subtract from the original base software.
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Not true.
Some of the mods are based on the zpad image, a completely different image than the g-tablet. My only objection is people saying flashing custom ROMS is a must. That is nonsense, and I will say so every time I see someone post that.
The more updates that ViewSonic put out, it seems the fewer "tweaks" that will be needed.
Can we keep the trolling to World of Warcraft?
There are minor to major changes that can be done ROM wise. What is important IMHO is to give choices to someone that is just starting.
I have the impression the op would like TnTLite version vs Vega or Cyanogen or even ZPad.
I did start like you... almost happy with stock. But the more basic things I needed I noticed the original TnT wasn't good enough. I have changed to TnTLite myself and couldn't be happier.
Just check that thread. Its one stop and change.
Good luck
Bingo! Choice is king, if you don't like the choice you choose go back to stock. But atleast show all your choices, we are not all wanting the same build, hence we are not talking IPADS.
Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. I gather that rooting the gTab is not such a big deal after all? I had started with the impression that rooting and flashing the rom were similar, and equally "dangerous". I DID find the thread that copc referred me to after my starting this thread. We all have to start somewhere as newbies. Thanks too to Wasserkapf for his help.
Rooting will still allow you to get all VS updates. Same with doing the Market install.
Flashing a ROM can be scary, especially if you have lots of stuff on your tablet. I found that investing in Titanium Backup (requires root) was a great idea. I do a full backup every time I flash my ROM and restore apps and data afterwards; I have never lost data nor settings.
If you decide to flash TnT Lite or VEGAn (which is coming along nicely and really brings the tablet to life IMO), there are not only many posts but many friendly folks who are here to help you out.
I am very happy with my G Tablet and this community has been immeasurably helpful in making it so useful.
-=Sent from my ViewSonic G Tablet (VEGAn) using Tapatalk=-
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Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. I gather that rooting the gTab is not such a big deal after all? I had started with the impression that rooting and flashing the rom were similar, and equally "dangerous". I DID find the thread that copc referred me to after my starting this thread. We all have to start somewhere as newbies. Thanks too to Wasserkapf for his help.
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Exactly we all start as newbies, and it's places like this that are great help.
Good News, everyone. I used z4root, and was able to root my gTab. I also was able to install Launcher Pro, so that now when I turn it on, I get the option of going to the old familiar Android layout as on my Droid. Thanks for the encouragement from you'all. The sky did not fall. Yeah!
I do have some questions, though.
1. If I accidentally load in the TapnTap home screen, I cannot get back to the launcher pro. I cannot find it on the tablet to run it. I can find the apk and it offers to install it again. So, can anyone tell me where it is hidden?
2. I downloaded the vendors apk in an attempt to get the old android market place as on my phone. But it will not install. I am sure I am doing something wrong.
3. There are some icons to the right, the web, messages, and the phone. Is there a way to remove the ones that do not work? Only the web works. I understand that the phone would not, and even the messages. But how can I remove them?
Again, thanks for the moral support and encouragement. I still find the structure of the tablet confusing. Internal SD, external SD, root, etc. Anyone out there with the technical know how could make quite a few dollars by writing a book explaining the wonders, procedures, and pitfalls of our new tablet.
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Good News, everyone. I used z4root, and was able to root my gTab. I also was able to install Launcher Pro, so that now when I turn it on, I get the option of going to the old familiar Android layout as on my Droid. Thanks for the encouragement from you'all. The sky did not fall. Yeah!
I do have some questions, though.
1. If I accidentally load in the TapnTap home screen, I cannot get back to the launcher pro. I cannot find it on the tablet to run it. I can find the apk and it offers to install it again. So, can anyone tell me where it is hidden?
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On my tablet, just hitting the Home icon in the upper-right corner will do that. It is the second one from the top, on the bezel of the screen.
2. I downloaded the vendors apk in an attempt to get the old android market place as on my phone. But it will not install. I am sure I am doing something wrong.
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That is the second thing on my list of tweaks. You need to download and install several files. Please follow the instructions:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=827209
3. There are some icons to the right, the web, messages, and the phone. Is there a way to remove the ones that do not work? Only the web works. I understand that the phone would not, and even the messages. But how can I remove them?
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You should be able to drop a different icon, from the main screen 'Desktop' on top of it, essentially replacing it. To get different icons on the main screen, open the app drawer, and tap and hold an icon. To remove it from the main screen, tap and hold, and move it to the trash can on the right.
I got as far as downloading the zip file, unzipping it. But I am not sure what "mount as R/W" means. I am also not up on the structure of the storage of the Gtablet, and my computer sees .android_secure, Android, Backgrounds, backups, DCIM, download, and Lost.Dir. As a result, I am not sure where to copy the new files to. I moved the unzipped file to the download folder on the tablet. But I am not sure where to go from here. Being a newbie bites.
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I got as far as downloading the zip file, unzipping it. But I am not sure what "mount as R/W" means. I am also not up on the structure of the storage of the Gtablet, and my computer sees .android_secure, Android, Backgrounds, backups, DCIM, download, and Lost.Dir. As a result, I am not sure where to copy the new files to. I moved the unzipped file to the download folder on the tablet. But I am not sure where to go from here. Being a newbie bites.
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I thought that the instructions were as clear as anyone could make them.
3. Using AndRootFile or any other file manager that supports root access, mount as R/W, and copy the contents of G Tablet\permissions to System\etc\permissions.
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That means to use a file manager that supports root browsing. The stock one doesn't, so you will need to install one. The link in the original post will get you the AndRootFile app, that should work. I purchased RootExplorer from the Android Market, so that is what I use. It has a "Mount R/W" button at the top, and I assume AndRootFile has something similar.
Oh, and root is to Unix/Linux/Android that Administrator is to Windows. You need root permissions to make system changes.
Once you have mounted it in R/W mode, copy the files to the folders that it says to. When done, don't forget to re-mount it in R/O mode before exiting.
My bad. I had used z4root to do the rooting. I'll try it with the one you suggested. Thanks.
Actually z4root should work for rooting the tablet. But it isn't a file browser with root access. That is where the other apps come into play.
OK. Here is my adventure so far. I got AndRootFile, and installed it. It is now working. But when I try to copy a file to another location, it does not want to copy the file. features.xml is an example of one that it shows the check box for copying, but when I get to the destination, there is nothing to paste. Frustrating. I also tried Rootexplorer, and have the same result. Now it looks as if the other new file in the new permissions folder copies, since it says it exists and do I want to overwrite. I said yes. But the second file, features does not show up even after I try to paste it. The good news is that I am figuring out the structure of the Beast, and so can move around much easier with AndRootFile, and RootExplorer. Thanks for your ongoing patience, and support.
It doesn't sound as if you are first mounting the file system in R/W (Read/Write) mode. And when finished, make sure you mount it back into R/O (Read/Only) mode before exiting.
Ive done a little bit of searching and cant seem to find a thread about this (im sure there is one but i cant find it) so my question is which of the three do you like? i know there are pros and cons to all of them but i dont really know what to go with. any suggestions?
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Ive done a little bit of searching and cant seem to find a thread about this (im sure there is one but i cant find it) so my question is which of the three do you like? i know there are pros and cons to all of them but i dont really know what to go with. any suggestions?
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For me, rooted stock was definitely the easiest. It's the easiest to get working. For me' froyo was still not completely usable as it doesn't include Gapps and it's kinda funky getting them on there. Then nothing really works on honeycomb (and by that I mean downloaded apps) so if you just want to browse the interwebs that's the one for you. Froyo is if you want everything Android offers, but you better know what you"re doing. So IMO stock is the easiest and the prettiest, with honeycomb being second, and Froyo being third.
I can't speak to Froyo, but I've got the HC v04 preview running on eMMC (not SD card), and for me it is very stable.
I've got access to the market, apps seem to install fine (haven't had one fail yet, but I hear some do), and B&N works great.
Even better, the kernal included in the package I used was already OC'd to 1.1Mhz, and I'm consistently getting 1,500 to 1,600 on Quadrant.
Much better performance than I was getting on my stock Nook.
It's not perfect, and I've had to do a few tweaks (found on this site) in order to get the market working, and adhock wireless networks to show up...but for me the total install was really smooth.
The only problem I currently have is that I cannot get applications to transfer from eMMC to my SD card, so I'm running out of space to install more apps.
No way would I go back to stock...what I've got now works really well for everyday use, and will only get netter once Honeycomb goes GA.
If you do decide to "upgrade" your stock Nook, just remember that it's not a "sure deal", and that there are no guarantees things will work. While I haven't had to do so, I understand that restoring your Nook to stock is a bit of a chore, so make sure you read the "back to stock" threads before you decide to modify your Nook.
If you do decide to go with either Froyo or HC...just remember to follow instructions exactly!
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I can't speak to Froyo, but I've got the HC v04 preview running on eMMC (not SD card), and for me it is very stable.
I've got access to the market, apps seem to install fine (haven't had one fail yet, but I hear some do), and B&N works great.
Even better, the kernal included in the package I used was already OC'd to 1.1Mhz, and I'm consistently getting 1,500 to 1,600 on Quadrant.
Much better performance than I was getting on my stock Nook.
It's not perfect, and I've had to do a few tweaks (found on this site) in order to get the market working, and adhock wireless networks to show up...but for me the total install was really smooth.
The only problem I currently have is that I cannot get applications to transfer from eMMC to my SD card, so I'm running out of space to install more apps.
No way would I go back to stock...what I've got now works really well for everyday use, and will only get netter once Honeycomb goes GA.
If you do decide to "upgrade" your stock Nook, just remember that it's not a "sure deal", and that there are no guarantees things will work. While I haven't had to do so, I understand that restoring your Nook to stock is a bit of a chore, so make sure you read the "back to stock" threads before you decide to modify your Nook.
If you do decide to go with either Froyo or HC...just remember to follow instructions exactly!
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yo, deadly, chill down a bit...nook is very hard to brick and destroy..
Since OP is here, on XDA, I suppose he knows enough to continue...
It is not so hard, trust me, pick one and try, you can start witk stock rooted...Then you will find annoying the way apps are starting, or eclair itself...So, you go and try froyo (on emmc, ofcourse), which is the closest thing to phone froyo feeling, and you'll use it happily until...One day you decide to try something new, and that would be HC...
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I can't speak to Froyo, but I've got the HC v04 preview running on eMMC (not SD card), and for me it is very stable.
I've got access to the market, apps seem to install fine (haven't had one fail yet, but I hear some do), and B&N works great.
Even better, the kernal included in the package I used was already OC'd to 1.1Mhz, and I'm consistently getting 1,500 to 1,600 on Quadrant.
Much better performance than I was getting on my stock Nook.
It's not perfect, and I've had to do a few tweaks (found on this site) in order to get the market working, and adhock wireless networks to show up...but for me the total install was really smooth.
The only problem I currently have is that I cannot get applications to transfer from eMMC to my SD card, so I'm running out of space to install more apps.
No way would I go back to stock...what I've got now works really well for everyday use, and will only get netter once Honeycomb goes GA.
If you do decide to "upgrade" your stock Nook, just remember that it's not a "sure deal", and that there are no guarantees things will work. While I haven't had to do so, I understand that restoring your Nook to stock is a bit of a chore, so make sure you read the "back to stock" threads before you decide to modify your Nook.
If you do decide to go with either Froyo or HC...just remember to follow instructions exactly!
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Out of curiosity, what do you mean that B&N works great? Are you just talking about the Nook app from the market, or the stock B&N apps that come with the Nook when you first get it. I was under the assumption that those would be lost with any install of Honeycomb or Froyo, which has kept me from making that jump.
im leaning toward HC cuz i dont mind difficult because i enjoy doing this kind of stuff but my worry is widgets and a few apps has anyone used circle launcher or gbcoid or gameboid or any other emulator on this?
edit: also any luck on videos working? like rockplayer or yxplayer?
Rockplayer works well , NESoid works well, gonnna try pSX tonight.
Honey 4 on emmc.
@deadly read thru the emmc thread, the answer is there. Root explorer change permissions.
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im leaning toward HC cuz i dont mind difficult because i enjoy doing this kind of stuff but my worry is widgets and a few apps has anyone used circle launcher or gbcoid or gameboid or any other emulator on this?
edit: also any luck on videos working? like rockplayer or yxplayer?
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As far as I know none of the alternate builds currently support hardware-accelerated video playback, so your only real option for smooth fullscreen video is the (rooted or not) B&N Nook image. If anyone has gotten this working on a different build please let us know.
Honeycomb has a few issues, for example accelerometer input being rotated 90% in some games, and occasionally tiny hard-to-read onscreen text since it's configured for a non-native pixel density to fit the 1280x800 UI on the Nook's smaller screen. It's fun for testing and ok as a daily environment if your important apps all happen to work, but you should expect things to break.
By "B&N works great", I meant that I'm running the B&N reader from the market. Personally I like it better than the stock Nook reader.
@djurkash: As you say, "It's not so hard...", I was up and running in an hour or so. Sorry if you felt I was trying to scare anyone away. I really like what I've got...but I have also noted a bit of "HC mania", and not everyone bothers to RTFM. If someone reads through this site, and feels comfortable with the process...I hope they go for it! I'm glad I did.
@jonrobertd: I'd read through the emmc thread, and didn't see anything that addressed moving apps. I just went back through and searched on "Root Explorer" and "permissions", but didn't see anything that looked like it would help. I'm probably missing something obvious, but any assistance you could offer would be greatly appreciated (I do have Root Explorer installed and working).
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Rockplayer works well , NESoid works well, gonnna try pSX tonight.
Honey 4 on emmc.
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@jonrobertd, I just tried Rockplayer on HC v4 off SD (not overclocked), it runs at 12-15fps according to its built-in counter for original size, a bit slower for fullscreen video ([email protected], baseline H264 from Handbrake). Is that significantly better with the overclocked version? Currently it's usable but looks noticeably jerky. Of course, dual-booting to use the stock player would be a fallback option.
I have only had my nook now for 4 days so I am in no way going to put down any build. But from a new users opinion I have installed and messed with all three releases (stock rooted) (froyo) (honeycomb) And I LOVED honeycomb.
I was happy with it for a short time though due to no flash. Youtube app was a no go and the web youtube worked but was whacky.
I then went back to stock rooted and put on ADW ex. Everything just works! I am completely happy with stock running ADW until honeycomb gets more refined.
And I cant wait for that to happen because it looks very nice and is a much better user experience on the nook.
Rockplayer is much better off of eMMC and overclocked. As to running HC off SD I
can see it being slower, as the card speeds can vary.
For root explorer, I am using version 2.13.3 it works to give R/W permissions. (PM me if needed)
Apps installing to SD, use the following:
Also I follow Samuelhaff's advice and change the permissions on newsf_msdos on the /system/bin and now almost all applications install with few fails. I did it a risky way though, since I don't have ADB access I just rightclicked the file with Root Explorer, chose permissions and click in all 9 boxes, worked for me but it may be risky.
Doing this gave the me option to move to SD. I have ADB working, was just on the nook so I did it with R.E. and it worked.
If you need any more help pm me or ask here.
I have used all three (rooted stock, Nookie Froyo, and Honeycomb v4), and I am currently using a dual boot setup with stock on eMMC and NF on a microSD card. I am using rookie1's awesome multi-u-boot which allows me to choose to boot from either the SD or the eMMC at startup by pressing the home button. Stock is good for daily use, and NF is good for more cutting-edge stuff (Flash being one example). I'll probably use Honeycomb once the biggest bugs are ironed out, which will probably be after HC goes AOSP. In any case, the Nook Color has three great operating systems that you can choose from. It can't hurt to try, even if you decide to burn to eMMC instead of running off an SDcard the Nook Color is [very] hard to brick.
I just installed Sam's custom HC for emmc last night and I have to say that this is my favorite of the three options. It runs much smoother than I expected. Overall, I was not a big fan of froyo, the performance for the most part was great but I always had touch issues and keyboard lag.
1.) Sam's custom HC v4
2.) Rooted Stock 1.1
3.) Nookie Froyo emmc
I like the stock rom better, easier to root too. I've tried the HC on SD works fine but harder to setup for new nookies
i went ahead and went with HC last night and it is great so smooth and so clean the lock screen alone is just so nice, although i wish it had flash and rock player plays really choppy on my .avi anime but thats ok i can watch it on my phone. thanx guys for all you help and suggestions anyone that wants to post suggestions please do im sure there are people just like me looking for the awnsers this topic can provide
I've had my NC for a few weeks now am itching to try Froyo or Honeycomb. Something that is important to me though is the Readtome childrens books. My 3 year old really likes them. Does the market B&N appt work with these books? If not, is there a way to still use them on either Froyo or Hobeycomb (HC preferred)?
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As far as I can tell the Read To Me books only work on the app on the NC. But that's no reason not to try Froyo or HC. Just try one of the SD image versions. That's what I've been doing. Booting off SD doesn't affect whatever you have loaded on the internal memory. Going back to the B&N stock ROM is just as simple as powering down your NC, popping out the bootable SD card, popping back in your regular SD card (if you have one) and powering the NC back on.
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As far as I can tell the Read To Me books only work on the app on the NC. But that's no reason not to try Froyo or HC. Just try one of the SD image versions. That's what I've been doing. Booting off SD doesn't affect whatever you have loaded on the internal memory. Going back to the B&N stock ROM is just as simple as powering down your NC, popping out the bootable SD card, popping back in your regular SD card (if you have one) and powering the NC back on.
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I did not know you can do that with the SD card. Im going to see about doing that when I get home. Thanks.
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Long story short: I bought my Nook to root it. I'm not a complete moron, but I'm a little overwhelmed by all of the options for modifying the Nook. I have tons of iOS experience since I have an iPhone business on the side, so I'm not afraid to mess around with something.
The problem is, the only Android device I've spent more than 20 minutes with is the Samsung Captivate, which was ridiculously easy to root and then unlock so I could sell it.
Other than that, not much Android experience.
I bought the Nook because I need a portable device to view documents and the occasional entertainment. I'm a pilot and instantly recognized the advantage of being able to take aviation publications with me everywhere, including the cockpit. I considered the iPad since I'm intimately familiar with iOS, but the cost was a little higher than I wanted to go.
So, here's what I need: a VERY stable Nook that can efficiently read PDF files, H.264 movies and still maintain respectable battery life. I will be heading overseas with less than dependable access to internet, so I need something that's pretty worry-free since I might not be able to worry with finding a fix online.
Where to start?
I've already rooted it using AutoNooter, but it seems wonky at best. The N button rarely works at all and SoftKeys isn't much help either. I currently haven't found a way to go "back" in the Market app, and still haven't figured out how to sign in on my YouTube account.
So, what are your suggestions for setup? Please be detailed with your suggestions and save the flaming for someone who cares.
Thanks!
I didn't like the stock rom either...
I went immdiatly to nookie froyo, which is the most stable rom other then stock.
You should try it.
You should also try cm7 and it varients, but those are less stable.
you can check out the tutorials on remapping the volume keys for back and menu, although I find soft keys a valiable option.
Can you point me to the best method of install for Froyo? Is it better on internal or keeping it on the SD card? I'm not worried about warranty or restoring the stock ROM, so which one is best overall?
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Can you point me to the best method of install for Froyo? Is it better on internal or keeping it on the SD card? I'm not worried about warranty or restoring the stock ROM, so which one is best overall?
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Try it on the SD card first, just to start. If you screw up, you can just format the card and start over, it's relatively pain free that way. But it will run a little snappier on the actual Nook eMMC, but you can always do that later.
Another factor is that B&N will be updating all Nook Colors to Froyo in April. If you run off an SD card until then, then you can root the Nook after that update (with new Autonooter built for that new update), and you will have a more stable Froyo since it will be a professional kernel built for the hardware.
You'll need a Sandisk Class 4 or 6 uSD card or a Transcend Class 6 (unless you have already bought something, in which go ahead and try that card).
The build is at:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=922324
Yeah......about that "don't flash the internal memory" part.....
Everything went great until I rebooted and now its stuck at the Android screen with the flashing cursor.
Now I'm just trying to figure out how to restore it. Ugh.
I'm using a 32GB SanDisk SDHC Class 6 card, BTW.
EDIT: Well, I was able to get the build from your link running from the SD card, but all of the processes suddenly and continually fail. All I get is pop up after pop up about errors.
I'm done screwing around with this for today. If I can't get something usable by tomorrow night, I'm selling this POS and getting an iPad. This isn't worth it just to save $100.
I don't know what all you did to the internal memory, but chances are this will work to get back to stock.
http://nookdevs.com/Flash_back_to_clean_stock_ROM
If that doesn't work then
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=945838
Softkeys works, and I use it, but it's...not intuitive...this page made things clear for me. Reading through this should get your n key working and whatnot.
http://nookdevs.com/NookColor_Default_Launcher
Disabling the service in the softkeys settings was good for me. That stupid little button was always in the wrong place no matter where I put it and wasn't useful anyhow. I also didn't install home switcher or whatever. If you get your n button set wrong, you can just clear the defaults from the app settings for whatever app is set to the n button.
Sounds like you got it rooted and everything, but here is a link for reference anyhow.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=942424
A note on those instructions: youtube did nothing but crash on me. The purpose of logging in with youtube is to get your device linked to your google account so you can get into the market. I didn't use youtube, i think i used gmail or the market itself or something. I don't remember. I just uninstalled youtube, you don't need it. Youtube video's still download and play in the default video player if you visit youtube.com from the web browser.
As far as your options for operating systems. I haven't used froyo, and haven't spent much time with honeycomb, so grain of salt and stuff. Plus it really depends on what you need/want.
Note: after booting a fresh burn for the first time, just walk away for five minutes. I'm not sure why (maybe something to do with the not quite jit doing it's thing?), but it will be more stable if you do.
Froyo gives flash and slightly better performance over stock. I think video is on par with stock, but it could be worse, i'm not sure. It's almost certainly not better. I can't speak for stability, as I haven't tried it. I think bluetooth is possible but not realistic? I know occip got the chip responding, but I haven't seen anything indicating it's useable. Links in previous posts so i won't make another.
Cyanogenmod gives all that froyo gives plus bluetooth support. Video framerate is poor (movies, not games and whatnot). Stability isn't as good as stock. Mostly it's fine but every once in a while things start force closing like mad and i have to reboot. Also battery life isn't good with cyanogenmod. Sleep has been disabled as there is a bug with it. It will still last over a day without a charge though. It's what i use day to day. Really amazing and fast moving. Seems like every day a new major bug is fixed or a whole new piece of hardware is working. Linkie:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000957
Honeycomb is really cool and it's amazing what deeperblue did (without much source omgwat?) but it's still kinda just a toy until google releases all the source code. No flash, no hardware accelerated video, no bluetooth, no reason to use it, other than aesthetics. Annoying ui glitches in portrait mode. Neat and worth an sd burn to play with, but not for using day to day in my opinion.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=936995
Of course there is no need to choose one! There are a couple option for multibooting in the forums and I intend to get around to combining a few to triple boot. Right now this is what I use:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=947698
I'm set up to boot rooted stock off internal memory and cm7 off of uSD
P.S. If you just want it to work and be a full tablet it might be worth the extra $150 or so for an IPad. The nook has been fantastically useful for my needs and I don't think i've had this much fun with a piece of kit since my first apple II. On the other hand I've wasted a fair number of hours reading about and "bricking" the thing so...ymmv depending on what your needs/wants are.
Hi, Im new here, too.
Id like to do this "Go back in Root Explorer, and in system/app, mount as r-w and rename Phone.apk and TelephonyProvider.apk to anything else (adding .bak onto the end would be fine)." But I can't change the permission...
Even I do habe only CWM 3.0.0.6 and like to have the newest one (3.0.1.0) and Iam using right now the Phirmod V5.1
Has anyone some hinds? Cheers
Can you elaborate on "can't change permissions"? Can you not find the option, or are you making the change and its not working?
For your clockwork upgrade question, is your recovery internal, or on a bootable SD?
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Thanks for the detailed response, ylixir. I'm attempting to go back to stock now and will definitely try your suggestions.
I'm still going to try Nookie since the general consensus is that it's the most stable. I don't care about BT or even Flash since I'll just be using this mostly for mobile document viewing in Afghanistan.
Thanks again and will update with my results.
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Hi, Im new here, too.
Id like to do this "Go back in Root Explorer, and in system/app, mount as r-w and rename Phone.apk and TelephonyProvider.apk to anything else (adding .bak onto the end would be fine)." But I can't change the permission...
Even I do habe only CWM 3.0.0.6 and like to have the newest one (3.0.1.0) and Iam using right now the Phirmod V5.1
Has anyone some hinds? Cheers
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I know you're new and all, but generally its considered rude to jump into someone else's thread and ask your own question. You'll probably get a lot more visibility (and subsequently a solution to your problem) by making your own thread.
Thanks!
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I know you're new and all, but generally its considered rude to jump into someone else's thread and ask your own question. You'll probably get a lot more visibility (and subsequently a solution to your problem) by making your own thread.
Thanks!
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Dude! The forum rules tell you to search and piggyback existing threads before making your own thread. The idea is that the closely related information is localized, and searching is made much more easier without having multiple threads on the same subject...
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Well, I've got it back to stock 1.1 now. I'm VERY happy to see that since I still might sell this thing if I can't make some headway with a usable ROM.
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Dude! The forum rules tell you to search and piggyback existing threads before making your own thread. The idea is that the closely related information is localized, and searching is made much more easier without having multiple threads on the same subject...
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Well, this is the first forum I've ever seen that operates that way.
Well, just tried running Froyo from the SD card and it just sits at the Android splash screen (the animated one). It also did this last night, but I thought it was because of the non-functional Froyo I had flashed internally.
I guess I'll give HC a shot to see if anything actually works on this device.
Just ran HC and although I finally got past the "decrypted data" error (after three re-images and flashing, no less), I dunno.
I'm going to try rooting the stock 1.1 again and see how that goes. If I can't get comfortable with that, then I'm done. I have better things to do besides sitting around for hours and hours trying to get something to be remotely practical for every day use.
If I wanted a tinkering project, I'd buy an old car.
Autonooker is super easy to get the stock ROM working as an Android tablet.
I'm sure it's stated on the wiki that Nookie Froyo and other ROMs are in development and not meant for stable systems.
Anyway, hope Autonooker works for you
Good news! Looks like perseverence pays off because rooting 1.1 seems to have worked perfectly this time.
I am fully signed in on YouTube and email, and all the buttons are working properly.
Now that I've finally gotten that out of the way, is there a way to OC the stock ROM? Its not really a need, just curious LOL. I've seen SetCPU mentioned a few times, but IIRC its intended for 2.2 and up only. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Also, best PDF reader for stock ROM?
chef123 said:
Hi, Im new here, too.
Id like to do this "Go back in Root Explorer, and in system/app, mount as r-w and rename Phone.apk and TelephonyProvider.apk to anything else (adding .bak onto the end would be fine)." But I can't change the permission...
Even I do habe only CWM 3.0.0.6 and like to have the newest one (3.0.1.0) and Iam using right now the Phirmod V5.1
Has anyone some hinds? Cheers
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Get a Terminal Emulator from the Market. Now type in the following:
If running off SD
Code:
su
mount -o rw,remount /dev/block/mmcblk1p2 /system
If running off EMMC
Code:
su
mount -o rw,remount /dev/block/mmcblk0p5 /system
Hope this helps.
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Everything I'm installing doesn't show up on the Extras page. If I want to open FB or Dolphin or something like that, I have to search for it.
A little help?
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Everything I'm installing doesn't show up on the Extras page. If I want to open FB or Dolphin or something like that, I have to search for it.
A little help?
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Install a new launcher, such as Zeam, Launcher Pro, or ADW. I prefer Zeam myself. Then you'll be able to immediately see new apps you've installed.
Hi all,
My wife just got a Nook Color for Christmas and I'm itching to root it. Both of our OG evos are rooted and I'm fairly competent with customizing the ever living crap out of them (I'm running MIUI and love it).
I'm looking for suggestions for a cool but most importantly STABLE setup for her nook color. I see there aren't as many options as the Evo, and the rooting process seems a bit more involved, but I'm sure I can figure that part out.
I already ran the 1.41 update and read all of the basic steps for root. She doesn't want to lose the B&N functionality (not sure why), so is my best bet just to root it with a bootable SD without loading CWM recovery? Using manualnooter that would just leave her with the B&N functions but would also install an alternate launcher and allow her to install android market and 3rd party apps, correct?
I've done quite a bit of reading up but I just want to get some opinions...she's afraid I'm going to "mess it up" like I've done to my evo quite a few times, but its never been anything a clean wipe can't fix so I don't see the issue haha.
Thanks everyone!
Your best bet is CM7.1 on a SD card. Just make sure that's an SanDisk Class 4 card, otherwise the performance will be quite miserable. Just grep the CM7.1 zip, the latest gapps-gb zip and greens sd installer and do it. You will be done in 15 min and you will never go back. I got my NC also for x-mas and used CM7.1 on a SD card for 2 days before I installed it on the internal memory (emmc).
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[...] I already ran the 1.41 update and read all of the basic steps for root. She doesn't want to lose the B&N functionality (not sure why), so is my best bet just to root it with a bootable SD without loading CWM recovery?
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I've rooted 1.4.1 on my Nook Color and blocked further updates. It's provides what I refer to as the "B&N Walled Garden (with a gate)". It's straight B&N in terms of functionality, and all the B&N functions (subscriptions, Conde Nast mags and enhanced books,free read-in-store) work fine. If she intends to use any of the B&N content, it's a nice experience. If she doesn't, then, frankly, you can do a lot more a lot more easily with Cyanogenmod loaded on it.
Using manualnooter that would just leave her with the B&N functions but would also install an alternate launcher and allow her to install android market and 3rd party apps, correct?
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If you root the B&N software, yes.
Alternately, you could load Cyanogenmod either internally on eMMC (replacing B&N), or externally, in a dual-boot SD configuration, which would let you leave the BN setup stock or rooted. The two remain completely separate from each other.
I've done quite a bit of reading up but I just want to get some opinions...she's afraid I'm going to "mess it up" like I've done to my evo quite a few times, but its never been anything a clean wipe can't fix so I don't see the issue haha.
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The NC is pretty bullet-proof. If you decide to root B&N firmware, be sure to block automatic OTA updates, or it will self-destruct when they push an update, and it will be your fault, buster!
I've rooted my wife's new Nook Tablet, and she's quite enamored with it. Adding functionality from the Market has been a big plus, and I've got her music synchronized with our Google TV setup as well.
Thanks both of you. I went the route of booting CM7 from the SD card and it was actually really easy and runs pretty flawlessly. Unfortunately my wife is a pain and doesn't seem to appreciate how much better it is so she just sticks with the stock stuff 99% of the time haha. I might have to get my own now just out of principle!
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You can always add a few Market apps to her mostly-stock setup with the Nook Color App Manager. I used it to add a few apps to my wife's rooted Nook Tablet. If I hadn't told her, she'd have thought those were stock apps.
But yeah, definitely get your own!
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I've rooted 1.4.1 on my Nook Color and blocked further updates.
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How did you block updates? I've seen several mentions about doing this but nothing definitive. Thanks!
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How did you block updates? I've seen several mentions about doing this but nothing definitive. Thanks!
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I edited devicemanager.db using SQLite. Open devicemanager.db and change registry->com.bn.device.fota.mode from "auto" to "manual".
That's all I've done, and no further OTA updates. There are more involved methods, but this seems to work.