Hello,
would it be possible to make the phone to save 3 types of pictures per shoot instead of 2? I meant that I would like the phone saving RAW, jpg and Monochrome samples of every shoot instead of saving only Raw and color jpg.
Is there anyway of modding camera app to get this feature?
Thank you.
I don't even know how to take 2 pictures ?
How you do that?
going from raw to monochrome in post is not good enough ?
EDIT: i did not think this trough..... of course its not good enough .... otherwise you would no have asked.... silly me
Yes. In raw mode the phone saves 2 pictures.
I need it to save 3 or raw color and monochrome at least. I use them to stack a picture in photoshop and the result is amazing IMO, but I must take two shoots, hence the pictures are different, specially in long exposure.
I need a way to take raw color and monochrome in one single shoot.
I am thinking about the same problem: raw+Monochrome should do magic.
But when switching from raw to MCh phone changes the angle/positioning so its imposible to take 2 identical photos...
That's not much of a problem. A bit of tweaking with photoshop and done.
But I wonder why both pictures are so different in angle and size. A matter of lens?
Two crops of 100% size pictures. First one is the Jpg that saves the phone. The second one is a merge between Raw and monochrome pictures in photoshop, not quite elaborated:
Why so low resolution of RAW photos? In camera setting i have 4:3 12 M selected an save RAW and JPEG checked, but my dng files resolution is only 504x376px.
You cannot compare Raw format with 'normal' pictures. Is known issue, see https://www.google.com/amp/s/forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s7/help/s7-raw-images-low-resolution-504x376-t3597101/amp/
OnnoJ said:
You cannot compare Raw format with 'normal' pictures. Is known issue, see https://www.google.com/amp/s/forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s7/help/s7-raw-images-low-resolution-504x376-t3597101/amp/
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It isn't an issue. RAW images cannot be viewed from stock gallery - users need to either view the images through a capable app (Snapseed, Light Room, etc) or load them onto a computer and view/edit them there.
Agree, I meant to say known fact...
I have a very bad experience with the raw files produced by P9 camera. I am able to import the files to Adobe Lightroom 6.0 and develop it but when I compare it with the jpg from the phone the DNG is very bad - colours and overall quality. I also tried some online converter with smilar results. Any ideas what the problem might be?
Goldak said:
I have a very bad experience with the raw files produced by P9 camera. I am able to import the files to Adobe Lightroom 6.0 and develop it but when I compare it with the jpg from the phone the DNG is very bad - colours and overall quality. I also tried some online converter with smilar results. Any ideas what the problem might be?
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DNG raw files usually have more noise, bad exposure and slightly altered colours as no post processing has been done on it. I use Snapseed for editing these.
I have a Fuji aps-c camera and I shoot to raw sometimes so I know what to expect from raw files. This is different... I'll provide some example when I have a chance...
Regarding the Snapseed, does it provide noise reduction functionality? I tried to develop a DNG file in Snapseed but did not find this....
Goldak said:
Regarding the Snapseed, does it provide noise reduction functionality? I tried to develop a DNG file in Snapseed but did not find this....
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DNG edit via snapseep auto wwhen you open
I just picked up a Google pixel 4 XL on an amazing deal! I'm just looking for suggestions from other pixel users specifically photographers on what the best manual camera app is that they've used in conjunction with g cam?
I've tested a few but everything I've shot with has resulted in grainy photos or horrible UI. If anyone can resent some suggestions I'm sure this would help out others as well.
Moment Pro Cam and Open Cam [emoji1474]
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For photos the gcam app is King from what I can tell, moment app is ok... If you want superior video control go for FilmicPro.
Demolition49 said:
For photos the gcam app is King from what I can tell, moment app is ok... If you want superior video control go for FilmicPro.
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Have you used the moment app recently? I heard it's very buggy that's what's causing me not to pay for it to test out.
Also I'm not trying to shoot video in any way shape or form I'm just looking strictly for photography. But thanks for the suggestion.
thepersona said:
Have you used the moment app recently? I heard it's very buggy that's what's causing me not to pay for it to test out.
Also I'm not trying to shoot video in any way shape or form I'm just looking strictly for photography. But thanks for the suggestion.
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The moment app is buggy, I emailed the devs and they say they are working on an update but couldn't give me a date, so it could be months before we see anything. I'd suggest shooting raw on gcam and playing with the photos in post. There may be something else out there I am unaware of
Isn’t gcam the app that comes pre-installed on the device though or is there some modded version you are referring to that I’m obviously not aware of?
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The moment app is buggy, I emailed the devs and they say they are working on an update but couldn't give me a date, so it could be months before we see anything. I'd suggest shooting raw on gcam and playing with the photos in post. There may be something else out there I am unaware of
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I would use raw from the pixel Gcam however the resolution of all my images on raw is 600 x 800 rather than the original jpeg size of 2040 x 4040 etc. The raw is such a small size leaving me to not be able to use it if needed to print for portfolio etc
Is there a fix to increase the overall size of raw images to larger images or original sizes images like the jpeg counterpart?
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I would use raw from the pixel Gcam however the resolution of all my images on raw is 600 x 800 rather than the original jpeg size of 2040 x 4040 etc. The raw is such a small size leaving me to not be able to use it if needed to print for portfolio etc
Is there a fix to increase the overall size of raw images to larger images or original sizes images like the jpeg counterpart?
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I just took a picture in RAW and checked the Raw folder. The image I have is 4016 X 3008 at 13MB
Am I misunderstanding what you are trying to do?
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I just took a picture in RAW and checked the Raw folder. The image I have is 4016 X 3008 at 13MB
Am I misunderstanding what you are trying to do?
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I think I'm just slowly starting to figure out how the phone works. Because I looked at my raw folder the best images I took obviously didn't have raw shooting on so that sucked but
what I realized is that for some reason my phone doesn't take raw photos when in portrait mode (the raw plus JPEG option isn't even available). And that my files are previewed as originals in the photo app and then in the actual files app they're all small kilobytes size files. I did an 8 x zoom that turned out pretty well however that's like 930x688
As seen in the pic attached. I just took another pic and when looking at it it's full resolution and amazing quality yet when I look at it in the files app it's all grainy and
I Could have sworn when I did the 8 x zoom the final quality in the preview looked way better than how it turned out when I look through it now LOL.
Apologies for the rambling but those are two issues no. My phone not shooting raw all the time specifically when I use portrait mode. But also I can't seem to find my original raw files are not in the raw folder they're just thumbnails from what I can tell. No I'm not in the thumbnail folder LOL.
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I just took a picture in RAW and checked the Raw folder. The image I have is 4016 X 3008 at 13MB
Am I misunderstanding what you are trying to do?
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Here's my raw folder specifically look at the last 4 images. The aren't recent. And they're so small and pixelated no pun intended.
the photo that I attached in my earlier post above this isn't existent in that folder for some reason. The Spider-Man image below was taken like two minutes ago but for some reason there's only a JPEG of it I can't find a raw file and relating to my earlier post about my phone not always taking raw images.
Somebody can help me figure this stuff out it would save me a lot of headache and hassle
I can't even upload the dng raw file to compare. the Raw file is substantially more grainy than the actual jpeg for some reason
2000x1496 for the raw file
3024x4032 for the exact same image in jpeg.
And much better quality on the joeg. I don't understand if this is normal or not.
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I can't even upload the dng raw file to compare. the Raw file is substantially more grainy than the actual jpeg for some reason
2000x1496 for the raw file
3024x4032 for the exact same image in jpeg.
And much better quality on the joeg. I don't understand if this is normal or not.
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I just tried on my phone and the raw images are all 3024x4032 whether I take them in portrait or landscape orientation. If you are getting different resolutions, then something is up. Double check your setting and make sure you are taking full resolution phones and also that the aspect ratio is set to 4:3. The 16:9 aspect ratio will actually reduce the resolution because it crops the image to 16:9. I suspect this is what is going on with your settings.
As far as the actual image quality, have you ever dealt with RAW images before? I ask because RAW images are just that, raw. They will always need to be edited in a photo editing software to bring out the beauty in them. When you use the stock camera, the Jpeg files are automatically processed through the Google software (which is very good) to bring out the beauty in them. It's completely normal for the processed Jpeg image to look much better than the RAW image. RAW images will always look "flat" and grainier compared to a jpeg image because they haven't had any processing (noise reduction, white balance correction, contrast adjustments, etc etc etc) done to them yet.
Of course the RAW image is a non-destructive file format which is why serious photographers prefer it. What this means is that the edits you do on a RAW image are not permanently modifying the original RAW file. They are just changes that are "notated" or "amended" on to the original file. (That's not the correct terminology, but hopefully you understand my point). This means that you can edit those files and makes an infinite number of changes without effecting the original RAW image data.
A Jpeg file on the other hand is a destructive file format however. This means that when you edit a Jpeg file and save it, it permanently alters the jpeg file with that change. The data that it was changed from is lost forever. You can re-edit the file, but you are changing the actual file data every time you save the file and you can't magically bring back data that wasn't saved in a previous edit. In other words, there is no way to get back to the original file after it has been edited and saved.
Here is a different way to see it. Lets say you have a RAW file and a Jpeg file and you make three successive edits to those files......
With the RAW image this is what the data would look like: RAW -> RAW+edit 1 -> RAW + edit 1 + edit 2 - > RAW + edit 1 + edit 2 + edit 3. You can always undo the edits and get back to the original RAW data.
With a Jpeg image, this is what the data would look like: Jpeg -> Jpeg after edit 1 ->Jpeg after edit 2 -> jpeg after edit 3. There is no way to go back to any of the previous versions unless you save each edit as a unique file. (I should note that using Google Photos to edit your jpeg images seems to allow you to go back to the original file, so Google must be saving the edits as a unique file automatically. But if you use another program to edit your jpegs, you need to be aware of the destructive nature of the jpeg format).
Hopefully that helps - either you or someone else reading this thread.
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I just tried on my phone and the raw images are all 3024x4032 whether I take them in portrait or landscape orientation. If you are getting different resolutions, then something is up. Double check your setting and make sure you are taking full resolution phones and also that the aspect ratio is set to 4:3. The 16:9 aspect ratio will actually reduce the resolution because it crops the image to 16:9. I suspect this is what is going on with your settings.
As far as the actual image quality, have you ever dealt with RAW images before? I ask because RAW images are just that, raw. They will always need to be edited in a photo editing software to bring out the beauty in them. Jpeg files are automatically run through the Google camera software (which is very good) to bring out the beauty in them. It's completely normal for the processed Jpeg image to look much better than the RAW image. RAW images will always look "flat" and grainier compared to a jpeg image because they haven't had any processing (noise reduction, white balance correction, contrast adjustments, etc etc etc) done to them yet.
Of course the RAW image is a non-destructive file format which is why serious photographers prefer it. What this means is that the edits you do on a RAW image are not permanently modifying the original RAW file. They are just changes that are "notated" or "amended" on to the original file. (That's not the correct terminology, but hopefully you understand my point). This means that you can edit those files and makes an infinite number of changes without effecting the original RAW image data.
A Jpeg file on the other hand is a destructive file format however. This means that when you edit a Jpeg file and save it, it permanently alters the jpeg file with that change. The data that it was changed from is lost forever. You can re-edit the file, but you are changing the actual file data every time you save the file and you can't magically bring back data that wasn't saved in a previous edit. In other words, there is no way to get back to the original file after it has been edited and saved.
Here is a different way to see it. Lets say you have a RAW file and a Jpeg file and you make three successive edits to those files......
With the RAW image this is what the data would look like: RAW -> RAW+edit 1 -> RAW + edit 1 + edit 2 - > RAW + edit 1 + edit 2 + edit 3. You can always undo the edits and get back to the original RAW data.
With a Jpeg image, this is what the data would look like: Jpeg -> Jpeg after edit 1 ->Jpeg after edit 2 -> jpeg after edit 3. There is no way to go back to any of the previous versions unless you save each edit as a unique file. (I should note that using Google Photos to edit your jpeg images seems to allow you to go back to the original file, so Google must be saving the edits as a unique file automatically. But if you use another program to edit your jpegs, you need to be aware of the destructive nature of the jpeg format).
Hopefully that helps - either you or someone else reading this thread.
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hey brother thanks for the amazing explanation I appreciate it. And yes I have dealt with raw files and I'm aware of how they work. I guess the visuals confused me or threw me off because it's been so long since I've done photography.
I feel a little embarrassed coming in here with an amateur worry we're concerned LOL but I am a conceptual photographer and when using my DSLR I have to go to the similar process and I just forgot that raw files are not meant to look like the finalized jpegs. It's been 3 years since I delved into photography I knew I got Rusty somewhere lol thankfully though I bought this pixel specifically so I can revisit and get back into photography using this device in conjunction with my DSLR.
I'm actually going to save your response only so I can look at it and never come back in here with a foolish post LOL. But also I'm going to look into my resolution because I hate having thick borders on my camera screen and maybe that's why I change the aspect ratio not knowing that it was going to actually crop the image substantially. More tests later today and confirm whether your hunch was true or just think it is. ?
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I just tried on my phone and the raw images are all 3024x4032 whether I take them in portrait or landscape orientation. If you are getting different resolutions, then something is up. Double check your setting and make sure you are taking full resolution phones and also that the aspect ratio is set to 4:3. The 16:9 aspect ratio will actually reduce the resolution because it crops the image to 16:9. I suspect this is what is going on with your settings.
As far as the actual image quality, have you ever dealt with RAW images before? I ask because RAW images are just that, raw. They will always need to be edited in a photo editing software to bring out the beauty in them. When you use the stock camera, the Jpeg files are automatically processed through the Google software (which is very good) to bring out the beauty in them. It's completely normal for the processed Jpeg image to look much better than the RAW image. RAW images will always look "flat" and grainier compared to a jpeg image because they haven't had any processing (noise reduction, white balance correction, contrast adjustments, etc etc etc) done to them yet.
Hopefully that helps - either you or someone else reading this thread.
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Here are the details of a raw image. Why is the resolution so low? Any idea? This specific issue is annoying me because I can't seem to fix it. I'm just baffled at how low the image size is.
thepersona said:
Here are the details of a raw image. Why is the resolution so low? Any idea? This specific issue is annoying me because I can't seem to fix it. I'm just baffled at how low the image size is.
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So just to make sure we are on the same page......
When you open the camera app, click on the pull down carrot at the top of the screen. That should pull down the options menu. Scroll down to ratio and make sure it is set to "Full Image (4:3)".
Then click on the settings icon and scroll down until you see "Camera Photo Resolution" and make sure it is set to "Full Resolution"
Based on your previous posts, I don't think this is your issue, but are you accessing the RAW files via the camera settings menu where you select the RAW + JPEG image? That is probably the easiest way to make sure you are looking at the correct file and not a thumbnail, etc. There should be a "View RAW folder" link in the settings menu that you can click on to open the RAW files in Google Photos. The RAW images I have in that folder are in the 10-12MB size range and yours are only 1MB.
I'm hoping that one of these things is the culprit. If not, I'm at a loss to why your images are coming out small.
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So just to make sure we are on the same page......
When you open the camera app, click on the pull down carrot at the top of the screen. That should pull down the options menu. Scroll down to ratio and make sure it is set to "Full Image (4:3)".
Then click on the settings icon and scroll down until you see "Camera Photo Resolution" and make sure it is set to "Full Resolution"
Based on your previous posts, I don't think this is your issue, but are you accessing the RAW files via the camera settings menu where you select the RAW + JPEG image? That is probably the easiest way to make sure you are looking at the correct file and not a thumbnail, etc. There should be a "View RAW folder" link in the settings menu that you can click on to open the RAW files in Google Photos. The RAW images I have in that folder are in the 10-12MB size range and yours are only 1MB.
I'm hoping that one of these things is the culprit. If not, I'm at a loss to why your images are coming out small.
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Brother I followed the directions and when I go to the camera app and look in the raw folder there, I can see the original raw images in high resolution. Why can I not access those original files in the file app or downloaded gallery?
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Brother I followed the directions and when I go to the camera app and look in the raw folder there, I can see the original raw images in high resolution. Why can I not access those original files in the file app or downloaded gallery?
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I ended up having a separate album in my Photos app that is entitled Raw. When I take photos with the Jpeg + RAW enabled, the photos appear in that album. Is it possible that you have such an album but haven't seen it yet?
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I ended up having a separate album in my Photos app that is entitled Raw. When I take photos with the Jpeg + RAW enabled, the photos appear in that album. Is it possible that you have such an album but haven't seen it yet?
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Yes I definetley have that album. When accessing it via the photos app it's fine I see full resolution raw images but in another gallery app or even the files app it's available but the images in them are substantially smaller files.
The trick I found to work for now was to use solid explorer and go in the app and find the files path. And make a shortcut on my home screen. For the files app specifically, I'd access the list in the left panel just click on images and then access RAW. Prior to that I was accessing the internal storage then manually going to camera then raw. When I did that I found the folder but it only contained the small resolution files. It's really weird.
I'm hoping someone has seen this before. I set Camera to record DNG + JPEG, but when I look at the images side-by-side, I can see that the Raw / DNG images look stretched. Some images, e.g. ones with straight lines, the effect is more easily seen.
I've tried using Lightroom to correct for barrel distortion, but its correction actually goes in the wrong direction. I need it to do a "negative" correction, which it won't do.
It's a shame to have a tool that can work with Raw images but my phone can't generate a clean Raw image. Anyone dealt with this before?
Just to clarify what I'm trying to describe, the distortion is like someone is stretching my photo from behind, almost like putting their fist in the center of the image from behind and pushing / stretching it out towards me. The correction in Lightroom just pushes it even further towards me.
Thanks!
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That's because they are the raw images with minimal processing and all the data captured by the sensor. Post editing is needed. The also have extended exposure and WB, up to 3 full f/stops. The downside is your need to do post editing to fully exploit the data.
In jpeg mode the processor makes many of the choices for you automatically when it converts the data into a jpeg and limits your editing options. Much of the original image data is gone.
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That's because they are the raw images with minimal processing and all the data captured by the sensor. Post editing is needed. The also have extended exposure and WB, up to 3 full f/stops. The downside is your need to do post editing to fully exploit the data.
In jpeg mode the processor makes many of the choices for you automatically when it converts the data into a jpeg and limits your editing options. Much of the original image data is gone.
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I expect that post-processing is needed, except there is no way that I can find to correct for this. So any info on how to do the correction is appreciated. As I mentioned, Lightroom's correction that is meant for this issue goes in the wrong direction, which suggests that my phone's cameras may be out of spec but internally it knows how to correct for it when it makes the jpeg.
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I expect that post-processing is needed, except there is no way that I can find to correct for this. So any info on how to do the correction is appreciated. As I mentioned, Lightroom's correction that is meant for this issue goes in the wrong direction, which suggests that my phone's cameras may be out of spec but internally it knows how to correct for it when it makes the jpeg.
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Each model lense is a different geometry and needs a different correction algorithm. If Google doesn't provide an app it may be difficult to correct it easily.
It maybe it's Lightroom that's screwed up... Assuming it "knows" what cam and lense it's correcting for. Don't know not familiar with that software.
Or simply avoid saving in dng with the wide angle lense... my Samsung doesn't seem to have the raw save option for the ultra wide