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Is it possible to get .RAW images from Kaiser camera? Just a bit curious.
i'd say no
Since I am into photograghy I can anser this a litlle Many photo software programs have problems with Raw because Sony Raw, Canon raw and Nikon raw etc are all different so it's more the software applications that handle this. if you find one you want to handle something that displayed on your camera type. Just edit your software and save it in jpg format and your good to go..
Google this question again, and still only this thread...
If this is common knowledge, I apologize for the redundancy of this post, however I doubt it, since I searched for a way to do this for quite a bit of time, until I finally found a way.
As you probably know, if you're into photography, the P9 Lite supports Camera 2 API which allows for the capture of RAW pictures in .dng format.
This is especially useful for editing, as RAW images contain lots more information, especially in the shadows and highlights.
While there are several 3rd party camera apps that allow RAW capture, having tried most of them, none even comes close to the stock camera app. They're either clunky to use, or they're ugly as sin (I'm looking at you Open Camera, which is both).
To enable this feature on the P9 Lite is actually very simple, but it DOES require ROOT.
This is how to do it:
1. Ensure your device is rooted
2. Use a root file explorer and navigate to /system/emui/lite/prop/local.prop and open the file as text.
3. Change the value of ro.build.hw_emui_lite.enable from true to false
4. Save the file
5. Reboot the device
6. Open the stock Camera app
7. Enable Pro Photo mode
8. Go to settings and enable RAW.
Happy shooting, happy editing.
Already had that line disabled for other reasons. Didn't know it also makes shooting in RAW possible. Thanks!
I had it disabled for the transparent notification panel, bit yeah...I needed this so much!
Thanks!
ZeusftW97 said:
I had it disabled for the transparent notification panel, bit yeah...I needed this so much!
Thanks!
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Haha, to each his own.
Personally, I dislike the transparent notification panel. I would like to keep it solid black and still have RAW, but hey... I'll take what I can get, and RAW capture is more important.
Cool, https://www.xda-developers.com/guide-enables-raw-capture-in-the-stock-huawei-p9-lite-camera/
Nice, also seems to work for the (Huawei) Honor 6X. Thanks.
My joy at this discovery was short-lived, but then again, isn't that the very nature of joy?
Poetry aside, here's what's wrong.
Shooting RAW, the camera takes one compressed .jpeg and one RAW .dng. However, no matter the shooting conditions, the RAW .dng always comes out blurry and very soft.
I used a tripod, very very fast shutter speeds, in broad daylight and the .dngs ALWAYS come out unfocused.
Anyone able to chime in an maybe offer some insight?
zgomot said:
My joy at this discovery was short-lived, but then again, isn't that the very nature of joy?
Poetry aside, here's what's wrong.
Shooting RAW, the camera takes one compressed .jpeg and one RAW .dng. However, no matter the shooting conditions, the RAW .dng always comes out blurry and very soft.
I used a tripod, very very fast shutter speeds, in broad daylight and the .dngs ALWAYS come out unfocused.
Anyone able to chime in an maybe offer some insight?
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It seems like the default gallery app doesn't render the RAW files properly. View them in another gallery app with RAW support or import them to your prefered photoeditor and they look fine
Mara-X said:
It seems like the default gallery app doesn't render the RAW files properly. View them in another gallery app with RAW support or import them to your prefered photoeditor and they look fine
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You're right.
Imported into Lightroom, the .dng is actually quite a bit sharper than the .jpeg.
Thanks muchly!
Thanks, im wating for this a long time
hello
gallery app of p9 can read .dng picture
it works well in our p9 lite
simo255 said:
hello
gallery app of p9 can read .dng picture
it works well in our p9 lite
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It can read them, but not properly. It shows them really blurry, like they're not focused.
Can you recommend me good raw viewer if you use one?
ZeusftW97 said:
Can you recommend me good raw viewer if you use one?
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I don't use any. I open the files in either Snapseed on my phone, or Lightroom on my PC and edit.
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I don't use any. I open the files in either Snapseed on my phone, or Lightroom on my PC and edit.
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Ok, thanks!
Last time when I tried to open raw photos in snapseed it didnt work, and yeah...that was after they added the support for editing raw photos, but I tried now and it works!?
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Ok, thanks!
Last time when I tried to open raw photos in snapseed it didnt work, and yeah...that was after they added the support for editing raw photos, but I tried now and it works!
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probably user error
Thanks, is there anyway to disable jpeg format?, It's very annoying both Jpeg and raw Messing in gallery.
Heuxhog said:
Thanks, is there anyway to disable jpeg format?, It's very annoying both Jpeg and raw Messing in gallery.
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Sadly, I'm afraid not. At least not to my knowledge.
raw without pro mode
Just wanted to ask if it captures raw in all the modes like light painting and night and even in just normal photo mode. does it works only with pro mode ?
Please reply.
Thanks in advance.
roxy2j said:
Just wanted to ask if it captures raw in all the modes like light painting and night and even in just normal photo mode. does it works only with pro mode ?
Please reply.
Thanks in advance.
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No. Only in Pro Photo mode.
But you can do light painting in Pro Photo mode with longer exposures and get the best of both worlds. RAW and light painting.
I have a very bad experience with the raw files produced by P9 camera. I am able to import the files to Adobe Lightroom 6.0 and develop it but when I compare it with the jpg from the phone the DNG is very bad - colours and overall quality. I also tried some online converter with smilar results. Any ideas what the problem might be?
Goldak said:
I have a very bad experience with the raw files produced by P9 camera. I am able to import the files to Adobe Lightroom 6.0 and develop it but when I compare it with the jpg from the phone the DNG is very bad - colours and overall quality. I also tried some online converter with smilar results. Any ideas what the problem might be?
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DNG raw files usually have more noise, bad exposure and slightly altered colours as no post processing has been done on it. I use Snapseed for editing these.
I have a Fuji aps-c camera and I shoot to raw sometimes so I know what to expect from raw files. This is different... I'll provide some example when I have a chance...
Regarding the Snapseed, does it provide noise reduction functionality? I tried to develop a DNG file in Snapseed but did not find this....
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Regarding the Snapseed, does it provide noise reduction functionality? I tried to develop a DNG file in Snapseed but did not find this....
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DNG edit via snapseep auto wwhen you open
Just thought I'd share, although it might be common knowledge, that I didn't realise the X720's camera supports RAW output. :laugh:
I'm using 'HD Camera Pro' which is currently free on the Play Store: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andromedia.manual.camera.dslr
This app outputs to DNG and CaptureOne reads these files just like any other DNG (although MacOS Finder struggles). If you wish to process DNG files on the phone you'll need Snapseed.
Images are aways 31.08MB which suggests that they are a true capture of the camera sensor's RAW data.
Images are definitely sharper and contain more detail but saturation needs boosting (buts that's fairly normal for RAW images).
Mateus109 said:
Just thought I'd share, although it might be common knowledge, that I didn't realise the X720's camera supports RAW output. :laugh:
I'm using 'HD Camera Pro' which is currently free on the Play Store: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andromedia.manual.camera.dslr
This app outputs to DNG and CaptureOne reads these files just like any other DNG (although MacOS Finder struggles). If you wish to process DNG files on the phone you'll need Snapseed.
Images are aways 31.08MB which suggests that they are a true capture of the camera sensor's RAW data.
Images are definitely sharper and contain more detail but saturation needs boosting (buts that's fairly normal for RAW images).
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Is there a way to enable longer shutter time (longer than 2s) on this phone?
Seems like you do not know anything about gcam hahahahaha
noel_Fs said:
Seems like you do not know anything about gcam hahahahaha
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Last time I checked, GCam didn't work with EUI.
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Last time I checked, GCam didn't work with EUI.
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Not even adding hal2 line to build.prop?
noel_Fs said:
Not even adding hal2 line to build.prop?
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Nope, well at least not using the Magisk module or adding the enabling line manually.
I just picked up a Google pixel 4 XL on an amazing deal! I'm just looking for suggestions from other pixel users specifically photographers on what the best manual camera app is that they've used in conjunction with g cam?
I've tested a few but everything I've shot with has resulted in grainy photos or horrible UI. If anyone can resent some suggestions I'm sure this would help out others as well.
Moment Pro Cam and Open Cam [emoji1474]
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For photos the gcam app is King from what I can tell, moment app is ok... If you want superior video control go for FilmicPro.
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For photos the gcam app is King from what I can tell, moment app is ok... If you want superior video control go for FilmicPro.
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Have you used the moment app recently? I heard it's very buggy that's what's causing me not to pay for it to test out.
Also I'm not trying to shoot video in any way shape or form I'm just looking strictly for photography. But thanks for the suggestion.
thepersona said:
Have you used the moment app recently? I heard it's very buggy that's what's causing me not to pay for it to test out.
Also I'm not trying to shoot video in any way shape or form I'm just looking strictly for photography. But thanks for the suggestion.
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The moment app is buggy, I emailed the devs and they say they are working on an update but couldn't give me a date, so it could be months before we see anything. I'd suggest shooting raw on gcam and playing with the photos in post. There may be something else out there I am unaware of
Isn’t gcam the app that comes pre-installed on the device though or is there some modded version you are referring to that I’m obviously not aware of?
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The moment app is buggy, I emailed the devs and they say they are working on an update but couldn't give me a date, so it could be months before we see anything. I'd suggest shooting raw on gcam and playing with the photos in post. There may be something else out there I am unaware of
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I would use raw from the pixel Gcam however the resolution of all my images on raw is 600 x 800 rather than the original jpeg size of 2040 x 4040 etc. The raw is such a small size leaving me to not be able to use it if needed to print for portfolio etc
Is there a fix to increase the overall size of raw images to larger images or original sizes images like the jpeg counterpart?
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I would use raw from the pixel Gcam however the resolution of all my images on raw is 600 x 800 rather than the original jpeg size of 2040 x 4040 etc. The raw is such a small size leaving me to not be able to use it if needed to print for portfolio etc
Is there a fix to increase the overall size of raw images to larger images or original sizes images like the jpeg counterpart?
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I just took a picture in RAW and checked the Raw folder. The image I have is 4016 X 3008 at 13MB
Am I misunderstanding what you are trying to do?
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I just took a picture in RAW and checked the Raw folder. The image I have is 4016 X 3008 at 13MB
Am I misunderstanding what you are trying to do?
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I think I'm just slowly starting to figure out how the phone works. Because I looked at my raw folder the best images I took obviously didn't have raw shooting on so that sucked but
what I realized is that for some reason my phone doesn't take raw photos when in portrait mode (the raw plus JPEG option isn't even available). And that my files are previewed as originals in the photo app and then in the actual files app they're all small kilobytes size files. I did an 8 x zoom that turned out pretty well however that's like 930x688
As seen in the pic attached. I just took another pic and when looking at it it's full resolution and amazing quality yet when I look at it in the files app it's all grainy and
I Could have sworn when I did the 8 x zoom the final quality in the preview looked way better than how it turned out when I look through it now LOL.
Apologies for the rambling but those are two issues no. My phone not shooting raw all the time specifically when I use portrait mode. But also I can't seem to find my original raw files are not in the raw folder they're just thumbnails from what I can tell. No I'm not in the thumbnail folder LOL.
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I just took a picture in RAW and checked the Raw folder. The image I have is 4016 X 3008 at 13MB
Am I misunderstanding what you are trying to do?
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Here's my raw folder specifically look at the last 4 images. The aren't recent. And they're so small and pixelated no pun intended.
the photo that I attached in my earlier post above this isn't existent in that folder for some reason. The Spider-Man image below was taken like two minutes ago but for some reason there's only a JPEG of it I can't find a raw file and relating to my earlier post about my phone not always taking raw images.
Somebody can help me figure this stuff out it would save me a lot of headache and hassle
I can't even upload the dng raw file to compare. the Raw file is substantially more grainy than the actual jpeg for some reason
2000x1496 for the raw file
3024x4032 for the exact same image in jpeg.
And much better quality on the joeg. I don't understand if this is normal or not.
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I can't even upload the dng raw file to compare. the Raw file is substantially more grainy than the actual jpeg for some reason
2000x1496 for the raw file
3024x4032 for the exact same image in jpeg.
And much better quality on the joeg. I don't understand if this is normal or not.
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I just tried on my phone and the raw images are all 3024x4032 whether I take them in portrait or landscape orientation. If you are getting different resolutions, then something is up. Double check your setting and make sure you are taking full resolution phones and also that the aspect ratio is set to 4:3. The 16:9 aspect ratio will actually reduce the resolution because it crops the image to 16:9. I suspect this is what is going on with your settings.
As far as the actual image quality, have you ever dealt with RAW images before? I ask because RAW images are just that, raw. They will always need to be edited in a photo editing software to bring out the beauty in them. When you use the stock camera, the Jpeg files are automatically processed through the Google software (which is very good) to bring out the beauty in them. It's completely normal for the processed Jpeg image to look much better than the RAW image. RAW images will always look "flat" and grainier compared to a jpeg image because they haven't had any processing (noise reduction, white balance correction, contrast adjustments, etc etc etc) done to them yet.
Of course the RAW image is a non-destructive file format which is why serious photographers prefer it. What this means is that the edits you do on a RAW image are not permanently modifying the original RAW file. They are just changes that are "notated" or "amended" on to the original file. (That's not the correct terminology, but hopefully you understand my point). This means that you can edit those files and makes an infinite number of changes without effecting the original RAW image data.
A Jpeg file on the other hand is a destructive file format however. This means that when you edit a Jpeg file and save it, it permanently alters the jpeg file with that change. The data that it was changed from is lost forever. You can re-edit the file, but you are changing the actual file data every time you save the file and you can't magically bring back data that wasn't saved in a previous edit. In other words, there is no way to get back to the original file after it has been edited and saved.
Here is a different way to see it. Lets say you have a RAW file and a Jpeg file and you make three successive edits to those files......
With the RAW image this is what the data would look like: RAW -> RAW+edit 1 -> RAW + edit 1 + edit 2 - > RAW + edit 1 + edit 2 + edit 3. You can always undo the edits and get back to the original RAW data.
With a Jpeg image, this is what the data would look like: Jpeg -> Jpeg after edit 1 ->Jpeg after edit 2 -> jpeg after edit 3. There is no way to go back to any of the previous versions unless you save each edit as a unique file. (I should note that using Google Photos to edit your jpeg images seems to allow you to go back to the original file, so Google must be saving the edits as a unique file automatically. But if you use another program to edit your jpegs, you need to be aware of the destructive nature of the jpeg format).
Hopefully that helps - either you or someone else reading this thread.
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I just tried on my phone and the raw images are all 3024x4032 whether I take them in portrait or landscape orientation. If you are getting different resolutions, then something is up. Double check your setting and make sure you are taking full resolution phones and also that the aspect ratio is set to 4:3. The 16:9 aspect ratio will actually reduce the resolution because it crops the image to 16:9. I suspect this is what is going on with your settings.
As far as the actual image quality, have you ever dealt with RAW images before? I ask because RAW images are just that, raw. They will always need to be edited in a photo editing software to bring out the beauty in them. Jpeg files are automatically run through the Google camera software (which is very good) to bring out the beauty in them. It's completely normal for the processed Jpeg image to look much better than the RAW image. RAW images will always look "flat" and grainier compared to a jpeg image because they haven't had any processing (noise reduction, white balance correction, contrast adjustments, etc etc etc) done to them yet.
Of course the RAW image is a non-destructive file format which is why serious photographers prefer it. What this means is that the edits you do on a RAW image are not permanently modifying the original RAW file. They are just changes that are "notated" or "amended" on to the original file. (That's not the correct terminology, but hopefully you understand my point). This means that you can edit those files and makes an infinite number of changes without effecting the original RAW image data.
A Jpeg file on the other hand is a destructive file format however. This means that when you edit a Jpeg file and save it, it permanently alters the jpeg file with that change. The data that it was changed from is lost forever. You can re-edit the file, but you are changing the actual file data every time you save the file and you can't magically bring back data that wasn't saved in a previous edit. In other words, there is no way to get back to the original file after it has been edited and saved.
Here is a different way to see it. Lets say you have a RAW file and a Jpeg file and you make three successive edits to those files......
With the RAW image this is what the data would look like: RAW -> RAW+edit 1 -> RAW + edit 1 + edit 2 - > RAW + edit 1 + edit 2 + edit 3. You can always undo the edits and get back to the original RAW data.
With a Jpeg image, this is what the data would look like: Jpeg -> Jpeg after edit 1 ->Jpeg after edit 2 -> jpeg after edit 3. There is no way to go back to any of the previous versions unless you save each edit as a unique file. (I should note that using Google Photos to edit your jpeg images seems to allow you to go back to the original file, so Google must be saving the edits as a unique file automatically. But if you use another program to edit your jpegs, you need to be aware of the destructive nature of the jpeg format).
Hopefully that helps - either you or someone else reading this thread.
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hey brother thanks for the amazing explanation I appreciate it. And yes I have dealt with raw files and I'm aware of how they work. I guess the visuals confused me or threw me off because it's been so long since I've done photography.
I feel a little embarrassed coming in here with an amateur worry we're concerned LOL but I am a conceptual photographer and when using my DSLR I have to go to the similar process and I just forgot that raw files are not meant to look like the finalized jpegs. It's been 3 years since I delved into photography I knew I got Rusty somewhere lol thankfully though I bought this pixel specifically so I can revisit and get back into photography using this device in conjunction with my DSLR.
I'm actually going to save your response only so I can look at it and never come back in here with a foolish post LOL. But also I'm going to look into my resolution because I hate having thick borders on my camera screen and maybe that's why I change the aspect ratio not knowing that it was going to actually crop the image substantially. More tests later today and confirm whether your hunch was true or just think it is. ?
sic0048 said:
I just tried on my phone and the raw images are all 3024x4032 whether I take them in portrait or landscape orientation. If you are getting different resolutions, then something is up. Double check your setting and make sure you are taking full resolution phones and also that the aspect ratio is set to 4:3. The 16:9 aspect ratio will actually reduce the resolution because it crops the image to 16:9. I suspect this is what is going on with your settings.
As far as the actual image quality, have you ever dealt with RAW images before? I ask because RAW images are just that, raw. They will always need to be edited in a photo editing software to bring out the beauty in them. When you use the stock camera, the Jpeg files are automatically processed through the Google software (which is very good) to bring out the beauty in them. It's completely normal for the processed Jpeg image to look much better than the RAW image. RAW images will always look "flat" and grainier compared to a jpeg image because they haven't had any processing (noise reduction, white balance correction, contrast adjustments, etc etc etc) done to them yet.
Hopefully that helps - either you or someone else reading this thread.
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Here are the details of a raw image. Why is the resolution so low? Any idea? This specific issue is annoying me because I can't seem to fix it. I'm just baffled at how low the image size is.
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Here are the details of a raw image. Why is the resolution so low? Any idea? This specific issue is annoying me because I can't seem to fix it. I'm just baffled at how low the image size is.
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So just to make sure we are on the same page......
When you open the camera app, click on the pull down carrot at the top of the screen. That should pull down the options menu. Scroll down to ratio and make sure it is set to "Full Image (4:3)".
Then click on the settings icon and scroll down until you see "Camera Photo Resolution" and make sure it is set to "Full Resolution"
Based on your previous posts, I don't think this is your issue, but are you accessing the RAW files via the camera settings menu where you select the RAW + JPEG image? That is probably the easiest way to make sure you are looking at the correct file and not a thumbnail, etc. There should be a "View RAW folder" link in the settings menu that you can click on to open the RAW files in Google Photos. The RAW images I have in that folder are in the 10-12MB size range and yours are only 1MB.
I'm hoping that one of these things is the culprit. If not, I'm at a loss to why your images are coming out small.
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So just to make sure we are on the same page......
When you open the camera app, click on the pull down carrot at the top of the screen. That should pull down the options menu. Scroll down to ratio and make sure it is set to "Full Image (4:3)".
Then click on the settings icon and scroll down until you see "Camera Photo Resolution" and make sure it is set to "Full Resolution"
Based on your previous posts, I don't think this is your issue, but are you accessing the RAW files via the camera settings menu where you select the RAW + JPEG image? That is probably the easiest way to make sure you are looking at the correct file and not a thumbnail, etc. There should be a "View RAW folder" link in the settings menu that you can click on to open the RAW files in Google Photos. The RAW images I have in that folder are in the 10-12MB size range and yours are only 1MB.
I'm hoping that one of these things is the culprit. If not, I'm at a loss to why your images are coming out small.
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Brother I followed the directions and when I go to the camera app and look in the raw folder there, I can see the original raw images in high resolution. Why can I not access those original files in the file app or downloaded gallery?
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Brother I followed the directions and when I go to the camera app and look in the raw folder there, I can see the original raw images in high resolution. Why can I not access those original files in the file app or downloaded gallery?
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I ended up having a separate album in my Photos app that is entitled Raw. When I take photos with the Jpeg + RAW enabled, the photos appear in that album. Is it possible that you have such an album but haven't seen it yet?
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I ended up having a separate album in my Photos app that is entitled Raw. When I take photos with the Jpeg + RAW enabled, the photos appear in that album. Is it possible that you have such an album but haven't seen it yet?
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Yes I definetley have that album. When accessing it via the photos app it's fine I see full resolution raw images but in another gallery app or even the files app it's available but the images in them are substantially smaller files.
The trick I found to work for now was to use solid explorer and go in the app and find the files path. And make a shortcut on my home screen. For the files app specifically, I'd access the list in the left panel just click on images and then access RAW. Prior to that I was accessing the internal storage then manually going to camera then raw. When I did that I found the folder but it only contained the small resolution files. It's really weird.