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How bad is the IE bug?

Is IE unusable on the kaiser with the bug i hear about? I usually use the joypad for scrolling down, is it still the same?
Compared to the Hermes, how fast is the Kaiser at building pages up? On any big pages (eg. ebay) the Hermes really grinds to a snails pace and even when you think it's finished if you scroll down it's still (slowly) inserting images. Sometimes it can take nearly 60secs to finish showing an eBay page.
cheers, John

Which bug?
I use PIE with PIEPlus 2.2 and it works fine.
It is slow though, compared to my old Magician WM2003SE But thats obvious (WM2003SE is not flash based OS, no persistent-memory, thats why faster).
I am waiting Opera Mobile 9, which I am not sure will ever be released!
Duke Nukem Forever

I don't notice any difference with the Hermes. What bug are you talking about exactly?
By the by: opera mini beta 4 runs great on the Kaiser.
johnk1973 said:
Is IE unusable on the kaiser with the bug i hear about? I usually use the joypad for scrolling down, is it still the same?
Compared to the Hermes, how fast is the Kaiser at building pages up? On any big pages (eg. ebay) the Hermes really grinds to a snails pace and even when you think it's finished if you scroll down it's still (slowly) inserting images. Sometimes it can take nearly 60secs to finish showing an eBay page.
cheers, John
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johnk1973 said:
Is IE unusable on the kaiser with the bug i hear about? I usually use the joypad for scrolling down, is it still the same?
Compared to the Hermes, how fast is the Kaiser at building pages up? On any big pages (eg. ebay) the Hermes really grinds to a snails pace and even when you think it's finished if you scroll down it's still (slowly) inserting images. Sometimes it can take nearly 60secs to finish showing an eBay page.
cheers, John
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Yes it works, but the scrolling gets laggy once you have scrolled down a bit. The page download times are probably on a par with the TyTn. The Touchflo finger scrolling works better (once you get the hang of it).
Opera Mini works faster and scrolls OK.
Mike

Im not having any issues with PIE in general and I'm already getting used to the scroll feature. In fact I picked up my Trinity today and found it annoying when I had to use those fiddly scroll bars.
I wonder how it compares to the experience on the new iPod Touch?
I heard from a friend that the browsing experience on that was very intuitive - but then he is an apple nerd!
My bigger issue with the Tytn II is still the radio used. I am having real problems with the gprs/3G switch and both phone and internet connection have major problems coping when I am in 1 or 2 bars of 3G.
And I am still rarely getting a full 3G signal which was not the probelm with the later radios I have on my Tytn and Trinity.
I will try my Vodafone SIM tomorrow and see if it makes a difference.

gogol said:
Duke Nukem Forever
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you read my mind

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you read my mind
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"What ya waitin for Christmas"
Mike

mikechannon said:
Yes it works, but the scrolling gets laggy once you have scrolled down a bit.
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this is the bug i was talking/hearing about.
With the extra power and extra chips I was hoping the page building issue would have truly gone, it's my biggest gripe with my Hermes. My other gripe was the poor video playback on my Hermes (which has improved thanks to many WM6 roms), I hear this hasn't improved much either. I think I'll wait until a new ROM or a new device...

Touchflo doesnt work with my installation of Opera Mobile (8.60). Would have thought there would be 20 million threads on it by now so am thinking its just me with the issue.
Is touchflo something that has to be written into third party software of should it would with anything?
Opera Mini is the Java version correct?

New ROM will not fix that because it will be still the same IE.
IE is just slow, that's all.
Try Opera Mini and enjoy the super fast browsing experience.
You will never look back to IE, trust me.
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this is the bug i was talking/hearing about.
With the extra power and extra chips I was hoping the page building issue would have truly gone, it's my biggest gripe with my Hermes. My other gripe was the poor video playback on my Hermes (which has improved thanks to many WM6 roms), I hear this hasn't improved much either. I think I'll wait until a new ROM or a new device...
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Yes, Opera Mini is a Java application.
But it is running fine and superb.
Here what I got it installed in my device:
1. Install JBED-JAVA_MIDLET_MANAGER.2007.08.02.2.1
Get it from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=49222&d=1188897204
2. Use IE and browse to mini.opera.com/beta
And follow the instruction to install it.
Note: Choose "High memory" version.
You are done.
Now, read this article below :
http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/ppc-...ed-includes-info-new-java-midlet-manager.html
You will be able to:
1. Make a shortcut to the "Programs" folder
Then using the "Settings->Button" you can change the IE softkey to execute this shortcut.
2. Get rid of the network security warning.
That's it
Schooleydoo said:
Touchflo doesnt work with my installation of Opera Mobile (8.60). Would have thought there would be 20 million threads on it by now so am thinking its just me with the issue.
Is touchflo something that has to be written into third party software of should it would with anything?
Opera Mini is the Java version correct?
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Phew! Took a bit of work, but worth it
All thats left is for it to be set as the default browser and take links from emails.
Cheers for that buddy.

The shortcut part just doesn't work for me. I use Esmertec and my shortcut based on what I see in the appsdb folder is
#30"\windows\jeodek.exe" -run s3_
Whatever I do it gives me the message - Could not find MIDlet suite s3_
The file in appsdb is s3_suite.jar. Even still, I tried from number s0_ to s3_ to no avail.
Hope somebody can help.

gogol said:
Yes, Opera Mini is a Java application.
But it is running fine and superb.
Here what I got it installed in my device:
1. Install JBED-JAVA_MIDLET_MANAGER.2007.08.02.2.1
Get it from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=49222&d=1188897204
2. Use IE and browse to mini.opera.com/beta
And follow the instruction to install it.
Note: Choose "High memory" version.
You are done.
Now, read this article below :
http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/ppc-...ed-includes-info-new-java-midlet-manager.html
You will be able to:
1. Make a shortcut to the "Programs" folder
Then using the "Settings->Button" you can change the IE softkey to execute this shortcut.
2. Get rid of the network security warning.
That's it
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I get that same error - unable to find Suite 0 or 1 or whatever I put in.
Also the change in the selector file has my OperaMini still asking for permission. Any suggestions????
Thanks

Guys, I'm still getting the permission warnings as some other Opera 4 users are describing. I have done everything in this post including the selector.utf file. Has anyone figured out what might be causing this?

jackjohnson said:
Guys, I'm still getting the permission warnings as some other Opera 4 users are describing. I have done everything in this post including the selector.utf file. Has anyone figured out what might be causing this?
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i could only get it to work witn Cloudyfa's JBed, not with the default JMM.

I finally got it to work with Cloudyfa's JBed. For some reason, JBed wasn't installed properly. It wasn't showing up and Remove Programs. I reinstalled it, reinstalled Opera, applied the shortcut/network warning fix, and all is working perfectly.
For other people having this problem, make sure JBed is showing up in the Programs list and in Remove Programs before you install Opera. Seemed to do the trick.

I will be doing all of this tonight, Thanks for the tips.

Same here, I too get the error message could not find suite s0_. The number is correct, but i noticed i dont have any .jar files in the appdb folder... Any ideas?

I also didn't have any .jar files in my appdb folder. I did see some files with s2_ extensions (eg. s2_.jah and _s2.obj) so I changed my suite link to s2_ and it worked. Once I got the link to work, I then copied the selector.utf file from appdb to my PC and ran the Fix.exe editor on it and copied it back to the Kaiser. Works perfectly with no more permission dialog, thanks so much for sharing!
My squence;
1-Install Jbed
2-Install Opera Mini and test to verify it works.
3-Create link in programs folder and test
4-Copy off selector.utf and "fix", copy back and it should all be good, with no more permissions required.
5-Map the program link to a hard key.
6-Crack a cold beverage of choice, life is good

Latest Skyfire Beta

Not to start vaguely but I'm not very impressed. The interface is subpar; from both the touch standpoint and shortcut. It does seem to be better than IE, though.

please die. why would u feel the need to post this in kaiser? why not GENERAL on the site not kaiser..

cuboosh said:
please die. why would u feel the need to post this in kaiser? why not GENERAL on the site not kaiser..
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A mistake because I'm used to only browsing this forum. Way to overreact, dufus.
Is there a mod who can move it or should I repost?

Now Now Children. Play nice.
You got to try the Skyfire Beta? I've been on the waiting list forever.
Hows it run on your Kaiser?

JimmyMcGee said:
Now Now Children. Play nice.
You got to try the Skyfire Beta? I've been on the waiting list forever.
Hows it run on your Kaiser?
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If you mean specifically performance, I'd say it's quite acceptable so far. I don't have any hard numbers nor have I tried heavy video but it's pretty good in that regard. My gripes are mainly with usability. When I start the app (and it is an app you can't tab out of, must exit) it takes about 5-10 seconds to load and then begins in a "Featured" tab you can see from their screenshots. What it should be, in my opinion, is either an actual home page or my bookmark list. I couldn't care less about any of those featured tabs and resent being forced to default there. I can only bookmark a page I'm at right now, I can't edit the URL or add one in manually. I also can't rename bookmarks which means something like CNN becomes "CNN.com - Breaking News, U.S., World, Weather..." on the screen. Sometimes I want to pan the page by touch and it decides to zoom instead. It's not properly responsive to touch, at least not on my Tilt.
I'm uncomfortable with the fact that all my traffic is flowing through a third party's servers. I don't know these people from a hole in the wall and that is a LOT of trust to ask for. Do they really think I'll be checking my bank statement via their server? I'll switch to something like Opera 9.5 (if it ever comes out) because I just can't bring myself to sign into anything important via Skyfire.

actually I have been using it for the past week. To even compare it with IE is rediculous. The interface is clean and uncluttered. It works flawlessly. Literally almost ANY type of content works flawlessly....youtube videos, etc. I even went to Fox and watched their "on-demand" programming right on my Kaiser. I've been very impressed so far and this is only a beta I am using.

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If you mean specifically performance, I'd say it's quite acceptable so far. I don't have any hard numbers nor have I tried heavy video but it's pretty good in that regard. My gripes are mainly with usability. When I start the app (and it is an app you can't tab out of, must exit) it takes about 5-10 seconds to load and then begins in a "Featured" tab you can see from their screenshots. What it should be, in my opinion, is either an actual home page or my bookmark list. I couldn't care less about any of those featured tabs and resent being forced to default there. I can only bookmark a page I'm at right now, I can't edit the URL or add one in manually. I also can't rename bookmarks which means something like CNN becomes "CNN.com - Breaking News, U.S., World, Weather..." on the screen. Sometimes I want to pan the page by touch and it decides to zoom instead. It's not properly responsive to touch, at least not on my Tilt.
I'm uncomfortable with the fact that all my traffic is flowing through a third party's servers. I don't know these people from a hole in the wall and that is a LOT of trust to ask for. Do they really think I'll be checking my bank statement via their server? I'll switch to something like Opera 9.5 (if it ever comes out) because I just can't bring myself to sign into anything important via Skyfire.
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I was afraid it might be slow.
Yes that's my concern as well I don't like these Proxy One Like Skyfire. I'm not saying I run around wearing a Foil Hat But I don't like that it Goes from A to B via C. The more hand offs the more vulnerable I feel. Thats also why I ahven't picked a IM program yet. I want to know which are through their servers and which has direct connect.

j_sous said:
actually I have been using it for the past week. To even compare it with IE is rediculous. The interface is clean and uncluttered. It works flawlessly. Literally almost ANY type of content works flawlessly....youtube videos, etc. I even went to Fox and watched their "on-demand" programming right on my Kaiser. I've been very impressed so far and this is only a beta I am using.
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Im with you on this i have been using it for about a month now with little issues. Only problem i have is we now stay in an edge only area so its a little slow rendering some pages. I use it for surfing but still use IE if im checking my accounts. I think it's works very well. I have used opera's new beta and netfront and even in its current version i like the skyfire better. They are adding new features also according to the email they sent me.
Later

Accessing the forum (and Internet) from Tilt

This is a general question about people's experience with Internet speeds on the device.
I have used several different ROMs, both stock and cooked and fine that Internet browsing is very slow.
I usually am getting either 3G or H coverage with 3-4 bars. If I open up the forum site for instance, it could be a good 2 minutes before the browser is responsive enough for me to type anything in. It's almost like the device is so busy rendering the page that it can't even download.
I don't think this is a speed issue, because when I tether my laptop I generally get pretty good speeds, and that same page will come down on my laptop in 15 seconds.
I know that PIE isn't the best browser, but is it really PIE that is causing such slow browsing? I honestly haven't tried opera yet as it seems to always be in a beta and I have read posts about many issues with that browser as well.
Do other's have such a slow time browsing? It's almost embarrasing when I have to pull my device out to look for something quick and it takes 5-10 minutes to get some info of the web.
Again, I don't think this is radio or ROM specific, since I have more or less the same experience on all... I am wondering if there is something up with the connections in my area, although I find this hard to believe as I don't live out in the boonies.
thx.

Use opera
yes iexplorer is slow..
i use opera and 3G its fast !

Isaygarcia said:
Use opera
yes iexplorer is slow..
i use opera and 3G its fast !
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I guess it's time I give it a try. There are apparently some new versions floating around from the Diamond? Do these work or should I stick with an older one?
If you could recommend which version I should try for a better experience I would appreciate it. I'll then comment on the differences in speed.
thx

i use the "old" one, but the Diamond one seems to work

bengalih said:
I guess it's time I give it a try. There are apparently some new versions floating around from the Diamond? Do these work or should I stick with an older one?
If you could recommend which version I should try for a better experience I would appreciate it. I'll then comment on the differences in speed.
thx
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I'm trying the newer one. I like the 8.5 version better ( I think that was the one). It was more user friendly.
However, whenever I attempt to open this forum on my device it takes about 3-5 minutes just to get into the Kaiser section.
I typically only use my internet browser for information that can be found in any daily newspaper, which only takes a minute or two during each session to find.

redbandana said:
I'm trying the newer one. I like the 8.5 version better ( I think that was the one). It was more user friendly.
However, whenever I attempt to open this forum on my device it takes about 3-5 minutes just to get into the Kaiser section.
I typically only use my internet browser for information that can be found in any daily newspaper, which only takes a minute or two during each session to find.
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I think there might be some type of script on the (forum) page that slows it down. Once or twice after about 2-3 minutes of waitintg PIE popped something up that said a script was taking longer than expected.
What is so bad is that it locks the whole browser not letting you click "stop" and just browse what has already bee downloaded (which is usually enough). When it does stop, it usually takes you back to last page to start all over again .
I guess I shouldn't be so surpried to think that PIE is crud.... although not all pages are horrible...google and google news and wikipedia aren't too horribly slow.

Bengalih Gsleon3 posted the opera 781 diamond build. In there you will find the 1004 build in pages 3 or 4. I recommend you use opera too, either one will do good, im currently browsing and posting this comment from opera 9.5.
yeah, i have that problem with Pie too, hence why i found my new default browser, opera 9.5.
here is the link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=393947

i am typing this now on 9.5 on a slower Edge connection and it is much faster.
however it does seem a little hard to navigate especially without the stylus.
am i corect in assuming you can't interact (click) on the scren when it is zoomed out? that you must first zoom in?
also i miss the URL dropdown like on PIE are there aditional shotcuts so you don't need to go back into the settings menu each time?
thx

bengalih said:
i am typing this now on 9.5 on a slower Edge connection and it is much faster.
however it does seem a little hard to navigate especially without the stylus.
am i corect in assuming you can't interact (click) on the scren when it is zoomed out? that you must first zoom in?
also i miss the URL dropdown like on PIE are there aditional shotcuts so you don't need to go back into the settings menu each time?
thx
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yeah i noticed that too, i gotten used to the opera functions, indeed sometimes is hard to click links without the stylus. can you provide me a link to the drop down menu? AFAIK even the search button up the page works. it maybe different i guess.
hey all browsers have its shortcoming and i wished this one use the touch flo scrolling.

Flash in Opera Mobile

Hi Guys,
I'm having problems with flash when using Opera Mobile 9.5 beta, Opera Mobile 9.5, Opera Mobile old versions and Mini Opera. I can't seem to view anything on flash, I've tried seveal flash application e.g. Adobe Flash lite, Adobe Flash player from their website. The message I keep on getting is:-
"Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player. If that doesn't fix the problem, do a hard refresh ( press 'F5' while holding down 'ctrl')
PLEASE HELP - Have I missed something in setting option apart from enabling JavaScript?
Can someone please share with me a 100% compatible flash app with Opera Mobile?

From what I gather, this is a problem with any Opera and IE. But they say Skyfire is going to solve this. But you have to go on the waiting list to get it.
But..., if someone has a solution for this issue, I would love to know.

Let me refer you to the Opera Mobile site:
http://www.opera.com/press/reviews/mobile/
At the bottom you will notice "ActiveX is disabled — Flash plugins and embedded video streaming do not work." in the Known Issues list. You aren't having problems - flash is not supported yet in the 9.5 beta.

From experience I got tired of dilly dally'ing with opera mobile. Its slow when compared to Skyfire or Opera mini. (even on 3g its slow) If you want flash try to get skyfire. My tilt is rockin skyfire and opera mini. Both have their pros and cons.

is says directly on the opera website flash and activex don't work

Valtamr said:
Let me refer you to the Opera Mobile site:
http://www.opera.com/press/reviews/mobile/
At the bottom you will notice "ActiveX is disabled — Flash plugins and embedded video streaming do not work." in the Known Issues list. You aren't having problems - flash is not supported yet in the 9.5 beta.
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thank you for enlightenment

I did manage to get flash working at one point after extensive configuration of settings but at this stage it isn't even worth it at all...
It is so slow and you will end up soft resetting each time you run a flash video site i.e. youtube.
Dulal,
Why don't you try "youtubeplay" I have it on my phone and think it's great application.

Thanks Mr Invisible Sense man!!
I've got "Youtubeplay" (attached) but I don't like it much as you can only watch specific videos (as toenail said).
I'm thiniking of getting "HTC diamond streaming player" http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=417005 back to view my video clips from YouTube unless you can suggest a better solution.
I can't wait until the weekend as I'm going to flash again (to L26's V10TL), I'm not to happy with HD's Lite ROM as you suggested. I'm getting loads of problem and it's very laggy on my device. I'm wondering if it could be the HardSPL I'm using because I've still got version 1 installed on my Kaiser. Which version of HardSPL are you using for that ROM and would you advice me to upgrade - V3.56?
Anyway, I'm off to work now. Speak to you soon Mr Invisible man!
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I did manage to get flash working at one point after extensive configuration of settings but at this stage it isn't even worth it at all...
It is so slow and you will end up soft resetting each time you run a flash video site i.e. youtube.
Dulal,
Why don't you try "youtubeplay" I have it on my phone and think it's great application.
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Yeap skyfire will get flash playing for you, but it is (as of this release) the most annoying app on my phone. No stop button (stop load) , and the friggin zoom, unless you have fingers the size of a stylus it will annoy the **** out of you.
I use opera mini for all but video or aol radio type programs which i run in skyfire. opera mini even lets me admin my full website now.
Hopefully theyll take some of the suggestions they're getting and make skyfire a little more user friendly.

Can someone attach/point me to Skyfire? or is it not a freeware?

Dulal Alom said:
Can someone attach/point me to Skyfire? or is it not a freeware?
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How about www.skyfire.com....just a thought. Ya know, people are usually pretty reluctant to help people who don't first try to help themselves (there are many, many threads here pertaining to Skyfire...and you'd almost have to try hard not to stumble upon one of them on accident).

So now we just need someone to provide us non-americans with a US-number... Or does Skyfire only work for the US-people...?
Edit: OK... as I see it you can only sign up to become a Beta 2 tester - and they don't even know when they will start to work on the Beta 2 version... So again: Where does one get Skyfire????

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So now we just need someone to provide us non-americans with a US-number... Or does Skyfire only work for the US-people...?
Edit: OK... as I see it you can only sign up to become a Beta 2 tester - and they don't even know when they will start to work on the Beta 2 version... So again: Where does one get Skyfire????
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Yes, it is only working for the U.S. right now. I'm confused as to why you want it so badly.....since you apparently haven't read anything about it at all, or researched anything pertaining to it.
Where does one get it? By signing up for the beta like everyone else. A cab file will do you no good as you need to have an actual account and verification. You would've found out all of this had you bothered to read anything on their site, or searched this one.......and had you done any kind of search here, you probably also would've found that if you put in the beta code "cnet100" when you register, you will get in to the closed beta immediately......if they haven't shut that down yet.

Your code didn't work, but I found that "bgenius" does and I got the sms to download, but when I run skyfire it fails to authenticate even though they have my number and everything.

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Your code didn't work, but I found that "bgenius" does and I got the sms to download, but when I run skyfire it fails to authenticate even though they have my number and everything.
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It's working fine for me... even flash. Most impressed

Haven't tried it myself yet

damn valtamr takes his forum business serious.

mikeypic said:
Haven't tried it myself yet
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It is asking for a email and pass word.. what to do when we install this file

Valtamr said:
Yes, it is only working for the U.S. right now. I'm confused as to why you want it so badly.....since you apparently haven't read anything about it at all, or researched anything pertaining to it.
Where does one get it? By signing up for the beta like everyone else. A cab file will do you no good as you need to have an actual account and verification. You would've found out all of this had you bothered to read anything on their site, or searched this one.......and had you done any kind of search here, you probably also would've found that if you put in the beta code "cnet100" when you register, you will get in to the closed beta immediately......if they haven't shut that down yet.
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Damn, sleep longer man, your social skill are nearby 0...
FYI, this beta code is not valid anymorem, tried it for non-US resident, it won't be accepted.

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Guess you needed to register a while back, I posted the file in case someone knew a work around.

A Request for Everyone: Iris Browser

Guys and Gals,
I have been testing for the last 48 hours the lovely Iris browser on my Touch HD and I must say this is the best browsing experience I have ever seen for Windows Mobile.
Those who know me know I am extremely anti-Apple but I must say that internet experience on the damned iPhone is fabulous.
Well, Iris is almost there. It features the same rendering engine used in the Safari for the iPhone. You can tell that as soon as you start using it.
The page renders so clearly and it follows your finger so easily that the only thing really missing is the multitouch feature (did anyone say anything about the HD having the hardware for that already?)
I think we all must support it and leave Opera as a second option for now. All these browsers out there seem to be still quite experimental, we'd better stick to the one which - while working - gives us the best possible experience. I vote for Iris.
Chefs: The software is free for non commercial use, please let's embed it to your cooked roms.
Everyone else: Let's give it a go, download the CAB and install and see what I'm talking about.
Download Iris Browser from the developer's web site www.torchmobile.com
Moderators: just occurred to me this post could be better on another sub-forum. Feel free to move. ;-)
BTW: I don't work for them. I used to work for the Carphone Warehouse and I am currently unemployed.

Hi,
interesting !
I have test it, on two site I use a lot :
www.clubic.com
gmail.com
I can say performance sucks, sorry
the page take a lot more time to load comparing to opera, and navigation on page it really slow, nearly unusable !
the text on zoom, doesn't fit automatically the screen for reading, so need to move and move, and it's slow, no really funny.
the rotation doesn't work, you can only stay in portrait,
well it's a beta 3, need more work to make it good, but it's a good start.
I hope for now cooker don't use it as defaut, opera is far from this browser in term of functionality.
see ya

mate, that is so not true.
performance doesn't suck. it's the best i've seen so far.
i think youre being a bit exaggerated when saying about the delay and nearly unusable. i didn't want to mention opera's flaws but the navigation in it is far from being good and the crashing problem is the worst thing since the invention of Internet Explorer.
the reason i went after another browser was that i was sick of resetting my phone when trying to use opera.
the text on zoom won't fit the screen perfectly on opera either. it's very likely to overflow or just appear misplaced as if opera had missed the target when zooming in.
the difference in this point is that iris has got such clearer picture that it's much easier to read even very tiny letters also it moves smoothly with your finger unlike opera all crispy as if it was made on java for an old 256 colour screen Ericsson phone.
i just love the effects: when you open a page on a new tab, it falls like a gate and bumps. when you click on a link (to open a link you have to click on it for a second - this should be faster) it moves like you just punched it and it's so cool the fading effect between pages... just a few nice things.

all good and well, but is there flash support????
ie6 now has flash support, but the browser itself is crappy as hell!!!!! And opera keeps refusing to support flash...... sigh.....

SlakerBoi said:
mate, that is so not true.
performance doesn't suck. it's the best i've seen so far.
i think youre being a bit exaggerated when saying about the delay and nearly unusable. i didn't want to mention opera's flaws but the navigation in it is far from being good and the crashing problem is the worst thing since the invention of Internet Explorer.
the reason i went after another browser was that i was sick of resetting my phone when trying to use opera.
the text on zoom won't fit the screen perfectly on opera either. it's very likely to overflow or just appear misplaced as if opera had missed the target when zooming in.
the difference in this point is that iris has got such clearer picture that it's much easier to read even very tiny letters also it moves smoothly with your finger unlike opera all crispy as if it was made on java for an old 256 colour screen Ericsson phone.
i just love the effects: when you open a page on a new tab, it falls like a gate and bumps. when you click on a link (to open a link you have to click on it for a second - this should be faster) it moves like you just punched it and it's so cool the fading effect between pages... just a few nice things.
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Well, I use opera on dutty's rom, which is the most advanced version of opera
never crash, speed excellent, highly smooth and fast
zoom excellent, can read anything quickly without any prob
I have just test 2 site, and this too one, take a lot of time on this. Perhaps I need extra conf
I will test it more to see
effect is nice of course, but it's best to keep "better" reading experience without scrolling, it's more functional
so, it's just my filling, I will test it more
thanks of course for info, nice to see opera monopol on mobile isn't true

Lots of potential
Hi mate thanks for link to the browser.
I like it... it has alot of potential even though its in beta it is showing alot of promise.
It is nice, reasonably fluid and renders pretty well... although I must say rendering engine does need some tweaking feels a little rocky still.
Transition from page to page is cool as it fades but again FPS seems a little laggy.
the second view when navigating with finger takes a little while to show the page as mini view it seems to load slowly on some some complex pages which shoudn'y really be the case as all it needs to do is load a snapshot of the actual page.
Dont get me wrong this is constructive feedback - I like it alot.
Some small UI tweaks, speed improvements, fix the secondary navigation snapshot so its instant rather loading like googlemaps then add Flash support and i think it could well be a contender (even winner) against Opera etc.

CutePinkSox said:
Hi mate thanks for link to the browser.
I like it... it has alot of potential even though its in beta it is showing alot of promise.
It is nice, reasonably fluid and renders pretty well... although I must say rendering engine does need some tweaking feels a little rocky still.
Transition from page to page is cool as it fades but again FPS seems a little laggy.
the second view when navigating with finger takes a little while to show the page as mini view it seems to load slowly on some some complex pages which shoudn'y really be the case as all it needs to do is load a snapshot of the actual page.
Dont get me wrong this is constructive feedback - I like it alot.
Some small UI tweaks, speed improvements, fix the secondary navigation snapshot so its instant rather loading like googlemaps then add Flash support and i think it could well be a contender (even winner) against Opera etc.
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totally agree!
i think the more users it has now the best it will be in the future and this forum is a great place to start cause everyone here seems to help a lot when it comes to tweaking apps, making them more popular. I really think Iris is the one, not just yet, but it's got what it takes, just need a little bit of improvement.
anyway, i found it better do disable the page overview thing. have used that on netfront before and found it to make the browsing experience a bit confusing. wouldn't know where to look at to find what i was after...
have you seen how it displays your bookmarks? it is in a cover flow style. not with the full cover flow experience but still easier to find what you looking for than just a list of sites.

Seems like a nice competition for ie6 but for me I like opera far better than this one, I know this is beta, but this had nothing to show for me.
It failed to draw few sites properly that I tried, used desktop mode and I setup it like it should be. First thing I dislike is that it puts itself into Startmenu without notice, second is that it is like IE6 or skyfire so that you have to press few places to write address into a small area, third is that it loaded page very slowly when compared to opera.
Loads stuff in wrong order or something, pictures before css and html.
Might be better later when more work has been done for it.
Kinda like skyfire this was, good but nothing special to show.
edit: one good thing though, mouse cursor. Seen it before so not new.

all in all not bad but not as good as opera for rendering graphics. Here are 2 screenshots of it rendering my website (www.swampthing.net) As you can see the logo for my site has a trnasparant background which renders correctly on opera (to the right) and incorrectly on Iris (to the left) The screen navigation is better than opera in my opinion but I would rather things look right then scroll faster I will keep my eye on this one though. Shows promise

Well, lets see Skyfire also shall we?

mallman said:
all in all not bad but not as good as opera for rendering graphics. Here are 2 screenshots of it rendering my website (www.swampthing.net) As you can see the logo for my site has a trnasparant background which renders correctly on opera (to the right) and incorrectly on Iris (to the left) The screen navigation is better than opera in my opinion but I would rather things look right then scroll faster I will keep my eye on this one though. Shows promise
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i noticed that when rendering png files too.
that's exact my point when it comes to iris, these guys managed to put on the first version some things opera took nine versions to never get. yes, iris is not flawless but it is very, very promising. by the final version it will be damn good.
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Well, lets see Skyfire also shall we?
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the reason i avoid talking about skyfire is cause it's a browser which relies on their service to exist. if, in a very unlikely circumstance that they shut down you'll have a piece of completely useless software on your PDA. not mentioning it's not an original idea, microsoft tried that before with the now buried DeepFish (R.I.P.)

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the reason i avoid talking about skyfire is cause it's a browser which relies on their service to exist. if, in a very unlikely circumstance that they shut down you'll have a piece of completely useless software on your PDA.
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LOL man, Opera does exactly the same. Both Opera and Skyfire pre-render websites through their proxies, the difference being that Opera is text-based and Skyfire is image-based.
That's why Opera loads slower and scrolls quickes (loads the whole text part of the website at once), while Skyfire loads quicker and scrolls slower (loads only the visible part as compressed image, google maps style).
Skyfire totally rocks because:
- is has full embedded video support out of the box
- desktop-like compatibility (online banking etc.)
- saves your bookmarks under your account so you never lose them
- file download
- feeds support
- customisable home page
They just released the latest beta 0.9.

HTC Touch HD unfortunately wont be able to enable Multitouch. It uses pressure to locate the point where you push. The iPhone or the Samsung F480 uses CMOS Sensors under the display and those work with the change in Resistance when you put your finger on the Screen! Thats why an iPhone doesnt work with a stylus! It works only with parts of a human body or anything that changes Resistance when made contact on the screen.
The Touchpad of a Laptop works with the same technology used in the iPhone!

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LOL man, Opera does exactly the same. Both Opera and Skyfire pre-render websites through their proxies,
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That's true for opera mini, but false for opera mobile. Look at http://www.whatismyip.com and you'll see from what proxy you connect to internet.

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HTC Touch HD unfortunately wont be able to enable Multitouch. It uses pressure to locate the point where you push. The iPhone or the Samsung F480 uses CMOS Sensors under the display and those work with the change in Resistance when you put your finger on the Screen! Thats why an iPhone doesnt work with a stylus! It works only with parts of a human body or anything that changes Resistance when made contact on the screen.
The Touchpad of a Laptop works with the same technology used in the iPhone!
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Close, the iPhone and touchpads measure capacitance, and in fact it is the Touch HD that works with resistance.