I just spoke to a very very knowledgable representative from TMobile USA maybe 10 minutes ago.
I first started asking about the TMobile MDA Vario III (or to most known, the Kaiser... i believe at least). After talking a little we got into quite a deep conversation, the first person from first tier support that wasnt an idiot WOW!
He informed me that he had heard that TMobile USA had purchaced the 1700mhz band for their new 3g network. That we would definately here more about the network this year but that they are waiting (to many stupid US laws...) for all current users to vacate this newly purchaces band.
Also he then informed me that anyone that would be either buying a Kaiser from Europe unlocked, or buying an AT&T 8925 (Kaiser) then getting it unlocked would have the likelihood of not having the full potential of their 3g netword on their phone. Also stated that when 1700 does become purchased and person currently owning the tmobile mda or the new tmobile wing would not be able to use the 3g networks.
Next he told me about how an htc rep had come into the office not to long ago and talked to him about their (htcs) phones. The htc rep informed him that they are currently working on a very very quick phone for TMobile USA, im guessing it is some sort of branch off from the Kaiser, but he had no information exactly about that.
I also asked him about the pricing of the monthly data connection. He said, "well all i know from experience is that when TMobile went from normal data speeds to the EDGE towers, the monthly price stayed the same."
Trying to think about what else.... hmmm. I'm guessing that is it, ask question if you can think about anything else... we talked on the phone for seriously 20-25 minutes... how blackberrys suck, how iphones are overated and only for fad following cheerleaders lol, just everything.
TMO is in big mess because governmental agencies are refusing to vacate the 1700MHz as quick as TMO wants ( Homeland security ). their 3G network will be delayed and their GSM net will suffer because they lack the spectrum. Their 3G testing in NJ/NY was halted because of inteference!!
Mog said:
I just spoke to a very very knowledgable representative from TMobile USA maybe 10 minutes ago.
I first started asking about the TMobile MDA Vario III (or to most known, the Kaiser... i believe at least). After talking a little we got into quite a deep conversation, the first person from first tier support that wasnt an idiot WOW!
He informed me that he had heard that TMobile USA had purchaced the 1700mhz band for their new 3g network. That we would definately here more about the network this year but that they are waiting (to many stupid US laws...) for all current users to vacate this newly purchaces band.
Also he then informed me that anyone that would be either buying a Kaiser from Europe unlocked, or buying an AT&T 8925 (Kaiser) then getting it unlocked would have the likelihood of not having the full potential of their 3g netword on their phone. Also stated that when 1700 does become purchased and person currently owning the tmobile mda or the new tmobile wing would not be able to use the 3g networks.
Next he told me about how an htc rep had come into the office not to long ago and talked to him about their (htcs) phones. The htc rep informed him that they are currently working on a very very quick phone for TMobile USA, im guessing it is some sort of branch off from the Kaiser, but he had no information exactly about that.
I also asked him about the pricing of the monthly data connection. He said, "well all i know from experience is that when TMobile went from normal data speeds to the EDGE towers, the monthly price stayed the same."
Trying to think about what else.... hmmm. I'm guessing that is it, ask question if you can think about anything else... we talked on the phone for seriously 20-25 minutes... how blackberrys suck, how iphones are overated and only for fad following cheerleaders lol, just everything.
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MDA and WING are not 3G phones. 1700 was won in a bidding about year and half ago.
yozh said:
MDA and WING are not 3G phones. 1700 was won in a bidding about year and half ago.
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correct it was won a year and a half ago. but there is some governmental law that says each user has 10 years to vacate that band 1700. its just a matter of time before tmobile starts paying people to get off their newly purchased network.
also about the comment of the mda and the wing... yes I know that they are not 3g compatable but I think there are quite a few 8525 unlocked tmobile users on this site like me. and I think there are quite a few that have tmobile that will be buying a phone (kaiser) soon that will cost a couple hundred dollars. I'm just here to warn them... this new phone may not even be able to work on the soon to be 3g network. just don't want people to waste their money.
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this new phone may not even be able to work on the soon to be 3g network. just don't want people to waste their money.
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I can kinda attest to that myself...
A few years ago I purchased the wonderful Moto V525 unlocked and Voda branded. Popped in my Tmobile SIM and worked like a charm, with the exception of downloads. While on a tmobile branded V300 the same download would take say 30 seconds, in mine, by then unbranded and flashed a million times, would take maybe 20-30 seconds longer.
Granted, this is no indication of anything... I have a Tmobile branded Wizard that has been flashed to death with all kinds of home cooked releases and the EDGE speeds I get are just fine.
austin_boy said:
TMO is in big mess because governmental agencies are refusing to vacate the 1700MHz as quick as TMO wants ( Homeland security ). their 3G network will be delayed and their GSM net will suffer because they lack the spectrum. Their 3G testing in NJ/NY was halted because of inteference!!
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What an F..ing crock!
One government agency sells the spectrum, FCC and another will not vacate the freqs!? Yeeeeeeeesh!
haha yea... ditto
mmeyer4663 said:
What an F..ing crock!
One government agency sells the spectrum, FCC and another will not vacate the freqs!? Yeeeeeeeesh!
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yea bush admin are being assholes... crap... can we cuss in this forum? i forget...
but eh, its pretty stupid to me, the government themselves have the rules that current band users have 10 years, of course they are gonna leech on it as long as they can, or at least until this war is over... who am i kidding this war wont end til hes out of office lol.
lmfao look i found the count down, when tmobile will have full rights to their new band. HAHAHA!
http://www.howlonguntilbushisgone.com/
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yea bush admin are being assholes... crap... can we cuss in this forum? i forget...
but eh, its pretty stupid to me, the government themselves have the rules that current band users have 10 years, of course they are gonna leech on it as long as they can, or at least until this war is over... who am i kidding this war wont end til hes out of office lol.
lmfao look i found the count down, when tmobile will have full rights to their new band. HAHAHA!
http://www.howlonguntilbushisgone.com/
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Yeah. Sorry about my tantrum.
I have to deal with the actions of the FCC all of the time. I work in the cableTV industry. Kevin Martin HATES us!
The FCC whines about monopolies, level playing field, innovation and all of the other FUN buzz words and then they pull a major (*@#&(*&#@(*&$ like this!
Really gripes my cookies!
And to all of the folks out there that want to give th government more control over their lives so that they don't have to deal with the challenges, let this kind of mis-management of resources be a lesson.
Ok, off the soapbox and back to the technology!
Mog said:
I just spoke to a very very knowledgable representative from TMobile USA maybe 10 minutes ago.
I first started asking about the TMobile MDA Vario III (or to most known, the Kaiser... i believe at least). After talking a little we got into quite a deep conversation, the first person from first tier support that wasnt an idiot WOW!
He informed me that he had heard that TMobile USA had purchaced the 1700mhz band for their new 3g network. That we would definately here more about the network this year but that they are waiting (to many stupid US laws...) for all current users to vacate this newly purchaces band.
Also he then informed me that anyone that would be either buying a Kaiser from Europe unlocked, or buying an AT&T 8925 (Kaiser) then getting it unlocked would have the likelihood of not having the full potential of their 3g netword on their phone. Also stated that when 1700 does become purchased and person currently owning the tmobile mda or the new tmobile wing would not be able to use the 3g networks.
Next he told me about how an htc rep had come into the office not to long ago and talked to him about their (htcs) phones. The htc rep informed him that they are currently working on a very very quick phone for TMobile USA, im guessing it is some sort of branch off from the Kaiser, but he had no information exactly about that.
I also asked him about the pricing of the monthly data connection. He said, "well all i know from experience is that when TMobile went from normal data speeds to the EDGE towers, the monthly price stayed the same."
Trying to think about what else.... hmmm. I'm guessing that is it, ask question if you can think about anything else... we talked on the phone for seriously 20-25 minutes... how blackberrys suck, how iphones are overated and only for fad following cheerleaders lol, just everything.
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this may not be right, but here on xda-developers, if you go to the htc titan section, they also refer it to the mogul, 6800, and vario III?
so the Vario III might not be the kaiser.
Totally incorrect
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Totally incorrect
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well i was just saying what i spoted here on the forum. should that be fixed then?
So any chance then that the Kaiser will support T-Mobile's [email protected]?
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correct it was won a year and a half ago. but there is some governmental law that says each user has 10 years to vacate that band 1700. its just a matter of time before tmobile starts paying people to get off their newly purchased network.
also about the comment of the mda and the wing... yes I know that they are not 3g compatable but I think there are quite a few 8525 unlocked tmobile users on this site like me. and I think there are quite a few that have tmobile that will be buying a phone (kaiser) soon that will cost a couple hundred dollars. I'm just here to warn them... this new phone may not even be able to work on the soon to be 3g network. just don't want people to waste their money.
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Mog,
Since you mentioned Tmobile and unlock 8525, I was wondering what WM6 ROMs (Cooked or HTC Released) is the most stable, compatible with this network. I too have an AT&T 8525, SuperCID / SIM unlock that I use for Tmobile (USA) network. But all the stuff that I have read in most threads are optimize for AT&T.
Some folks in the UK who are using Tmobile suggested to go with WM6 cooked ROMs. But I know their network and ours are quite different. At first I thought if I purchased a Tmobile UK phone (838 PRO) and have it unlock, then it will be optimized for Tmobile USA network. But I found out that they're entirely different from one another.
I just wanted to know your feedback as well as other Tmobile users out there who uses 8525 or similar phone, which WM6 ROM would be best for our situation. Any input or feedback is greatly appreciated. Thanks all
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Mog,
Since you mentioned Tmobile and unlock 8525, I was wondering what WM6 ROMs (Cooked or HTC Released) is the most stable, compatible with this network. I too have an AT&T 8525, SuperCID / SIM unlock that I use for Tmobile (USA) network. But all the stuff that I have read in most threads are optimize for AT&T.
Some folks in the UK who are using Tmobile suggested to go with WM6 cooked ROMs. But I know their network and ours are quite different. At first I thought if I purchased a Tmobile UK phone (838 PRO) and have it unlock, then it will be optimized for Tmobile USA network. But I found out that they're entirely different from one another.
I just wanted to know your feedback as well as other Tmobile users out there who uses 8525 or similar phone, which WM6 ROM would be best for our situation. Any input or feedback is greatly appreciated. Thanks all
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So any chance then that the Kaiser will support T-Mobile's [email protected]?
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Well go to the Hermes WM6 board, there was one just released on the 17th or 18th i believe. V3gp or something like that, I believe that would be the most stable because it is the closest thing we got to the WM6 8525 official ROM update. I myself am dealing with WM5 currently, I'll just wait for the official release which "should" be fairly soon.
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So any chance then that the Kaiser will support T-Mobile's [email protected]?
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I dont believe so, for hotspot at home to work you not only need the wifi capability you need some other program to be able to switch from wifi to normal satellite, but im not saying someone will re-release it themselves. We got alot of smart programmers on this website
6800/Mogul is a CDMA phone vs Kaiser a GSM phone.
Wow we got a bunch of idiots on this forum
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Some folks in the UK who are using Tmobile suggested to go with WM6 cooked ROMs. But I know their network and ours are quite different. At first I thought if I purchased a Tmobile UK phone (838 PRO) and have it unlock, then it will be optimized for Tmobile USA network. But I found out that they're entirely different from one another.
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Phones aren't "optimized" for any network, they either have the bands it needs or they do not.
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I dont believe so, for hotspot at home to work you not only need the wifi capability you need some other program to be able to switch from wifi to normal satellite, but im not saying someone will re-release it themselves. We got alot of smart programmers on this website
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Cell phones do not use satellite, they use radio towers
1700???
I'm pretty sure they pruchased the 2100mhz band that would support video
800mhz old skewl
850mhz old skewl
1800mhz Edge\GPRS
1900mhz Edge\GPRS
2100mhz 3G-Video
1900mhz 3G-HSDPA
1700mhz\2100mhz T-Mobile 3G-not sure if it is hsdpa
Not positive why the T-mob rep told ya 1700mhz cause they purchaes they also purchased 2100MHZ frequency.
sandrobber said:
I'm pretty sure they pruchased the 2100mhz band that would support video
800mhz old skewl
850mhz old skewl
1800mhz Edge\GPRS
1900mhz Edge\GPRS
2100mhz 3G-Video
1900mhz 3G-HSDPA
1700mhz\2100mhz T-Mobile 3G-not sure if it is hsdpa
Not positive why the T-mob rep told ya 1700mhz cause they purchaes they also purchased 2100MHZ frequency.
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Once again, incorrect information.
It doesn't matter the band, ANYTHING can be put on any band.
T-Mobile bought the 1700MHz band to put their 3G on.
They can offer 2-way video just like every other 3G carrier, or they could do like AT&T and offer 1-way or they could not offer video at all if they wanted.
Its up to them
This thread was started with incorrect information and continues to get posts as such. Since this is just confusing more people than helping, I'm closing the thread.
Hello all-
I just got in my Diamond today and after working on it about an hour, I still can only get Edge (and very small reception and SSLLOOWW data). I currently have a tilt with a flashed ROM running 6.1 and got perfect 3G reception from it here at my desk. I use At&t here. Could the lack of the 850 band be my issue. Please give me some clues or point me to a tutorial to get everything set up to par for my Diamond. I've already searched this whole forum.
Thanks a lot!
Oh dear here we go again....if you had done a search you would have saved yourself so much hassle.
The Diamond you have wont support 3G on AT&T because its missing a £G attenna...even though your settings will show that it can support the band for AT&T 3G but in reality you CANNOT get 3G access with the Diamonds that are out at the moment.
Only way your going to be able to get 3G in America is by waiting for the proper American version of the phone...as to when its out...could be july/August.
Well...Thats the bad part of me that gets way too excited. I'm going to try to return it. I'm sure my fiance that im marrying in 3 weeks will love to hear the news of my lack of research. Thanks!
LOL its ok...its just been explained a few times on here that the Diamonds that are on the market arent really suitable for the American 3G market...your just gonna have to wait a bit for the American version.
For what i's worth - thanks for your time with a stupid question.
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For what i's worth - thanks for your time with a stupid question.
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No problems buddy, its ok...thats what we are here for...to help each other out.
Apologies if i was a bit abrupt in my first post...been a long day
no 3g
for what it is worth, i have the same issue with no 3g but i have edge and so far find it fine for what i need it for. For others, the added speed that you get may be worth it. I love my Diamond otherwise, despite the battery. I will however get the usa version when it comes out, mainly for reception purposes since i feel the lack of 850 band lessens the reception a little... But so far I love it. Btw i have the ME rom which is fast and smooth and have no issues so far other than i cant hide the SIM contacts even with the tweak.
Question #-1: How can I get my hands on one of these? I called HTC and they stated that this is not offered in the US.
Question #-2: Now should I be able to get my hands on this device..would the radio work on T-Mobile's Network?
Question #-3: What would be the potential cost? I can unlock it myself.
Suggest you go to the correct forum.
The Touch HD has it's own one here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=451
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Question #-1: How can I get my hands on one of these? I called HTC and they stated that this is not offered in the US.
Question #-2: Now should I be able to get my hands on this device..would the radio work on T-Mobile's Network?
Question #-3: What would be the potential cost? I can unlock it myself.
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Just because I have the time.
1. You need to buy an unlocked version online, just google it.
2. It is GSM and unlocked, it should work with T-Mobile, but is not compatible with any US 3G networks. So for now only 2G
3. You can only but it unlocked, I have seen anywhere from $700 to $1000
Thank you Denco7..that was exactly the information that I needed......I am a Tilt owner...so unlike the previous moron who posted he could have saved that shizznick for someone who cares...
Also one more thing Denco7...do you know if I could swap the Radio on that phone for the one on another HTC Touch Device thats domestic? Now If you don't know this answer..I can understand me going to the TouchHD Forum for this answer...I just thought i'd prick your head real quick...
As denco7 stated, you'll have 2G network speeds but you won't get 3G. Unfortunately, that's a hardware limitation. Something that changing the radio cannot fix.
KMFM$ said:
As denco7 stated, you'll have 2G network speeds but you won't get 3G. Unfortunately, that's a hardware limitation. Something that changing the radio cannot fix.
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What he said Still connects to wifi at blazing speed with new beefy processor.
Actually, this "moron" (thanks for that) was trying to be helpful and point you in the right direction, not trying to flame you. Honest to God, some people!!!
where are the Mods ..........
Hello I'm planning to buy the new htc touch pro2 when it comes out so my question is..I live in the U.S and I would like to buy the european touch pro2 so i was just wondering if i can use it with one of these networks verizon wireless/at&t/t-mobile/cingular or does it have to be a network from europe?
Thanks I appreciate it
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Hello I'm planning to buy the new htc touch pro2 when it comes out so my question is..I live in the U.S and I would like to buy the european touch pro2 so i was just wondering if i can use it with one of these networks verizon wireless/at&t/t-mobile/cingular or does it have to be a network from europe?
Thanks I appreciate it
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Hi
You can use it with some networks (Not CMDA) and you´ll loose 3G pretty sure (Unless htc develops an american version)
However I´m using my Uni in Mexico since 2005 and works well on my carrier (www.telcel.com) and I can´t connect to 3G, but personally not care as long as I have WIFI or WIMAX wich I do.
Good day,
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Hi
You can use it with some networks (Not CMDA) and you´ll loose 3G pretty sure (Unless htc develops an american version)
However I´m using my Uni in Mexico since 2005 and works well on my carrier (www.telcel.com) and I can´t connect to 3G, but personally not care as long as I have WIFI or WIMAX wich I do.
Good day,
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Thank you for your answer...i know people with a htc tytn II (european version) and they are using at&t but the 3g doesnt work...I'm sure at&t and t-mobile will work but not verizon am I right? Thanks!
For usa: 1900/2100=3g - 1800/1900=no 3g
Inmortal said:
Thank you for your answer...i know people with a htc tytn II (european version) and they are using at&t but the 3g doesnt work...I'm sure at&t and t-mobile will work but not verizon am I right? Thanks!
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Yes sir, you are right. Verizon, Sprint and others use CDMA technology, wich is different from AT&T, T-Mobile, etc. that use GSM. If you don't know how to tell the diff, it's pretty simple....SIM card=GSM, NON SIM card=CDMA.
Also the US network uses UMTS/HSDPA (850/900/1900/2100 MHz), while the European network works on 850/900/1800/1900 MHz.
So, if you buy the touch pro2 you won't get 3G in USA, unless AT&T come out with......let's say something like "FUZE 2" or I read somewhere that the name was revealed already (but don't remember).
Yes i have a question concerning about the 3G network for AT&T. I have read alot of sticky's, threads new and old and can't seem to get a definite answer to what i am looking for. I really didnt want to post this, but i have searched everything by going into the search tab at the top. So i was wondering does the version Diam100 from EU/Asia have the hardware to support 3G for AT&T. I know it says it in the tabs on the phone that it can recieve the 3G band, but i have read its the hardware that can't but they werent sure. I've also read that some people say it needs a newer radio and/or ROM to get 3G. I really dont want to flash a new radio onto my phone if i dont need it. Can someone so kind as to tell me if it is or it is not capable so i can decide to keep the phone or not.
Thank you ever so much,
Xero
EU/Asia diamond won't work in US, i even tired swapping a US radio into a Euro Diamond and still didn't work. Only US diamond with US radio will give you 3G.
Hope it helps.
Kinda figured. But how bout this. Can anybody answer this its most likely a no but im just curious. Can you add/change the hardware from inside to receive 3G? And if so how? I know the answer is a no but someone might of done it or figured it out without messing up the phone.
us vs north america
averma said:
EU/Asia diamond won't work in US, i even tired swapping a US radio into a Euro Diamond and still didn't work. Only US diamond with US radio will give you 3G.
Hope it helps.
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is the us considered its own seperate band or does it share the same bands as canada and mexico? i ask b/c i bought my diamond from a canadian and i truly hope its 3g works here inthe states. i am with t-mobile and they dont have 3g in my area yet.
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is the us considered its own seperate band or does it share the same bands as canada and mexico? i ask b/c i bought my diamond from a canadian and i truly hope its 3g works here inthe states. i am with t-mobile and they dont have 3g in my area yet.
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What version do you have of the phone and what ROM and Radio? If its from Asia/EU then thats a no.
Xero Omega said:
What version do you have of the phone and what ROM and Radio? If its from Asia/EU then thats a no.
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p3700 about to try udk's R3 i think its the latest htc stock radio 1.11.25.01
currently XBoxmods