A good buddy of mine has the new Diamond 2 and I have to say the phone looks real nice but the proformance to my option is slower than the Diamond 1,Didn´t like the touchflo at all and with the same navi TomTom and map as on the Diamond 2 and the Diamond 1 ,My Diamond 1 with TomTom ran a whole lot smoother ,the 5mp camera ,good and fine but still as slow as the 3,2mp camera in the Diamond 1,the way it looks to me that the Diamond 2 is just a rebuilt Sony Xperia,Come on HTC ,i think ya could have done better with the Diamond 2,at least a better processor ,longer lasting battery,could have added the WM6.5, to make it a lil more interesting,Diamond 2 NO THANK YOU ,wait to see if a Diamond 3 comes out
The diamond2 will have wm 6.5 when it's released.
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A good buddy of mine has the new Diamond 2 and I have to say the phone looks real nice but the proformance to my option is slower than the Diamond 1,Didn´t like the touchflo at all and with the same navi TomTom and map as on the Diamond 2 and the Diamond 1 ,My Diamond 1 with TomTom ran a whole lot smoother ,the 5mp camera ,good and fine but still as slow as the 3,2mp camera in the Diamond 1,the way it looks to me that the Diamond 2 is just a rebuilt Sony Xperia,Come on HTC ,i think ya could have done better with the Diamond 2,at least a better processor ,longer lasting battery,could have added the WM6.5, to make it a lil more interesting,Diamond 2 NO THANK YOU ,wait to see if a Diamond 3 comes out
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The TD2 is way faster than the TD1, has much more memory and TouchFlo is very very sensitive. And the long screen is superb, when I looked at the TD1 after a few weeks I say such a small screen...
Really, it's better in every ways! (although the black looks and the diamond back of the TD1 are nice too...)
How is the battery compared to Diamond 1?
Diamond2 is by far a marked improvement on the diamond1 with out a doubt..........BUT has anyone else noticed the lag and lack of smoothness on tomtom!!!
The touch of Diamond2 is much better than the Diamond 1:
It seems almost a kind of screen capacitive like the iPhone!
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.....BUT has anyone else noticed the lag and lack of smoothness on tomtom!!!
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No. Seems very good - running ver 7.9 - although I do not have too much to compare it to. I use an old TomTom one, which seem pretty similar.
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Diamond2 is by far a marked improvement on the diamond1 with out a doubt..........BUT has anyone else noticed the lag and lack of smoothness on tomtom!!!
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I was really disapointed with TomTom7 on the TD2. The POI icons are too small to see, and the screen refresh is very jerky. I used to run the same version of TomTom on my TYTN2, and it looked and ran much better
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The diamond2 will have wm 6.5 when it's released.
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The Diamond 2 is already out and it has Mobile 6.1 pro on it for your info,HEHE
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How is the battery compared to Diamond 1?
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Well that my friend is my workin buddy and we compare the 2 phones against each other the battery dosen´t last any longer than the Diamond 1
D2 is so much better than D1.
i used to have a Touch Pro, and i can say that the only advantage except the keyboard with touch pro was the battery. nothing else
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Well that my friend is my workin buddy and we compare the 2 phones against each other the battery dosen´t last any longer than the Diamond 1
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Thanks. How often do you have to charge it during heavy use?
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A good buddy of mine has the new Diamond 2 and I have to say the phone looks real nice but the proformance to my option is slower than the Diamond 1,Didn´t like the touchflo at all and with the same navi TomTom and map as on the Diamond 2 and the Diamond 1 ,My Diamond 1 with TomTom ran a whole lot smoother ,the 5mp camera ,good and fine but still as slow as the 3,2mp camera in the Diamond 1,the way it looks to me that the Diamond 2 is just a rebuilt Sony Xperia,Come on HTC ,i think ya could have done better with the Diamond 2,at least a better processor ,longer lasting battery,could have added the WM6.5, to make it a lil more interesting,Diamond 2 NO THANK YOU ,wait to see if a Diamond 3 comes out
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I have had both. In fact, I have had two diamonds, touch pro, s740, etc. etc.
The Diamond 2 is way way faster then the Diamond. In fact its faster then the touch pro. The touch pro was always considered faster then the diamond due to the extra memory.
The TD2 is just super snappy. Pretty good condering all the extra pixels its pushing.
The battery is 1100 Mha comaperd to the diamond's 900 Mha. It shows.
Touchflow is much deeper integrated. Makes it better for touch using. Personally I like the stylus better, but I had an iphone for 2 months. Its a great phone, but not for me.
TD2 is nothing like the experia. Believe me.
As you haven't got a TD2, I would take your opinion with a grain of salt
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Well that my friend is my workin buddy and we compare the 2 phones against each other the battery dosen´t last any longer than the Diamond 1
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Really??!!! That's funny....
I have both TD1 and a TD2 and I can tell you that the battery life on the TD2 is a BIG improvement.
Regarding speed..... you only need to look at the benchmarks to see which is the faster and we haven't even started cooking ROMs yet. The TD2 wins on every count.
I don't even know why I'm replying on this thread to tell you the truth, because as the saying goes "One man's meat is another man's poison" and it's useless trying to argue, but the truth is... the TD2 is faster and has a better battery life than the TD1. Fact.
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The Diamond 2 is already out and it has Mobile 6.1 pro on it for your info,HEHE
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Yeah, but WM 6.5 isn't out on general release yet.
dcbrowne said:
A good buddy of mine has the new Diamond 2 and I have to say the phone looks real nice but the proformance to my option is slower than the Diamond 1,Didn´t like the touchflo at all and with the same navi TomTom and map as on the Diamond 2 and the Diamond 1 ,My Diamond 1 with TomTom ran a whole lot smoother ,the 5mp camera ,good and fine but still as slow as the 3,2mp camera in the Diamond 1,the way it looks to me that the Diamond 2 is just a rebuilt Sony Xperia,Come on HTC ,i think ya could have done better with the Diamond 2,at least a better processor ,longer lasting battery,could have added the WM6.5, to make it a lil more interesting,Diamond 2 NO THANK YOU ,wait to see if a Diamond 3 comes out
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Guess your D1 got some hardware replacement or something...
Just have WM6.5 on my diamond with alot of tweakin on it hope to have my first rom out soon still testin
I moved from TD1 to TD2 a couple of weeks ago. Without a doubt the TD2 is significant better than TD1. In my scale of 10, the TD1 would be 6 whereas TD2 would be a 8 - a third better! Don't ask me how I got to these numbers; just pure happiness factor I guess!
TomTom on D2
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I was really disapointed with TomTom7 on the TD2. The POI icons are too small to see, and the screen refresh is very jerky. I used to run the same version of TomTom on my TYTN2, and it looked and ran much better
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Try the WVGA version of TomTom. This improves some of the icons but not all. The keyboard to input addresses is still small but the WVGA version is a bit better to see and use.
Regards
Aussie
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I moved from TD1 to TD2 a couple of weeks ago. Without a doubt the TD2 is significant better than TD1. In my scale of 10, the TD1 would be 6 whereas TD2 would be a 8 - a third better! Don't ask me how I got to these numbers; just pure happiness factor I guess!
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I came up with similar numbers as I upgraded as well. I think was at a 5.5 and bumped to around an 8.75.
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Morning all
With the upcoming release of the diamond, it is time for me to retire my Touch (elf)
My question is about processor speeds and memory. I love my touch, but the major problem i have with it is the memory in it is poor - and the processor speed is quite slow.
So with all of the fancy graphical stuff on the diamond, is this going to take up all of the memory and affect the speed? or is the new processor better equipped?
Just trying to decide between the diamond or the raphael.... hmmmm
Even I'm faced with the same dilemma. Since I bought the touch I changed to the TYTN II and TOuch Cruise but ended up going back to the touch coz of its size and ease of use.
I think the Raphael is more or less a kaiser with some frills, so Id stay away from that if size is a issue.
The Diamond has192mb and the Raphael 256mb... may not be a big difference.
Id like to hear some opinions as well..
yeah i think the rapheal will be too big..
what memory does the orignal touch have? 128MB?
192 isnt that much morereally... when you think about how much more work it is going to be doing with image and animation caching...
hmmmm
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Morning all
With the upcoming release of the diamond, it is time for me to retire my Touch (elf)
My question is about processor speeds and memory. I love my touch, but the major problem i have with it is the memory in it is poor - and the processor speed is quite slow.
So with all of the fancy graphical stuff on the diamond, is this going to take up all of the memory and affect the speed? or is the new processor better equipped?
Just trying to decide between the diamond or the raphael.... hmmmm
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I have a Touch too, but I will definitely be getting a Touch Diamond. The Touch Diamond won't be particularly slow because of TouchFLO 3D, and the amount of RAM available with TouchFLO 3D running will make you wonder how you ever used to put up with your Touch.
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yeah i think the rapheal will be too big..
what memory does the orignal touch have? 128MB?
192 isnt that much morereally... when you think about how much more work it is going to be doing with image and animation caching...
hmmmm
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The original Touch has 64MB of RAM, so the Touch Diamond has a lot more. The Touch Diamond is, apparently, the official successor to the original Touch, so Touch owners should get a Touch Diamond - it lacks all of the problems that the Touch had.
blimey! 64MB RAM!! the 192 is sounding better now! well that has pushed me towards it...
justgotta wait now
Last redtvkyhjvuy
This is the final test of today6354135135
Just saw this Youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pENEldRxuwQ
and I am amazed at how quick the menus are on the Touch Pro. Why is the Diamond not as quick as this? Does the latest firmware for Diamond make it as quick?
TIA
touch pro has more memory.
Why do you think it is faster than the Diamond ?, I have ROM 193 and it doesn't seem faster at all (and btw, I only have like 20mb of free RAM, kind of shows you how meaningless this whole RAM issue is).
Mine is as fast - no that roms are being fine tuned - using a beta from a cook here i have to say that vid is nothing exciting and my dimaond is wizzing away - i cant make touch flo lag however erratic i use it...
Im sorry to spoil the party but my Diamond is as quick as the one in the Video or maybe even quicker. (all tweaks applied and Cooked ROM)
Im sure the PRO can be even faster after it takes a stroll down to the kitchen!
luck fellassss
so can a similar speed be seen on a diamond with an official firmware or can it only be achieved with a coked firmware? any videos showing the speed of the Diamond UI which is supposedly just as fast? TIA
Im sure the PRO can be even faster after it takes a stroll down to the kitchen!
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Maybe, but I doubt it will ever be faster than the Diamond.
Unlike Desktop PCs (and correct me if I'm wrong), WM doesn't use RAM to cache hard drive information, rather all software 100% works from RAM (after it loads there, that is). So, you could definitely load more software to the Pro's RAM, but each individual software won't run any quicker than on the Diamond.
The Touch Pro's name should really be changed to "Fat Diamond".
I have stock ROM .. and my Diamond is as fast as the one in the video ..
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Maybe, but I doubt it will ever be faster than the Diamond.
Unlike Desktop PCs (and correct me if I'm wrong), WM doesn't use RAM to cache hard drive information, rather all software 100% works from RAM (after it loads there, that is). So, you could definitely load more software to the Pro's RAM, but each individual software won't run any quicker than on the Diamond.
The Touch Pro's name should really be changed to "Fat Diamond".
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I agree.
Im not familiar with the Processor the PRO has but im assuming the Processor is the same on both.
I believe the speed is judged by the MGz in the Processor. So if both carry the same processor they should have same speeds.
IMO I might be mistaken.
With the new ROM and tweaking programs my Diamond is very very fast... I'm very pleased now... and I don't like the HTC Touch PRO because is not that slim like the Diamond wich is on of the ``features`` I like about it.
With Bepe 0.98 ROM, Mine is running a little faster than that
Mine is that fast or faster too, thanks Dutty, and that's with a big pile of crap loaded on by me too.
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Unlike Desktop PCs (and correct me if I'm wrong), WM doesn't use RAM to cache hard drive information
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Actually, there is a setting that can make the diamond cache file system....
when cooked touch pro ROMs manifest themselves, we might see a difference though I'm just looking forward to how much the diamond is going to earn on raphaels drivers and software
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when cooked touch pro ROMs manifest themselves, we might see a difference though I'm just looking forward to how much the diamond is going to earn on raphaels drivers and software
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Indeed!!!
Besides if you look at PROS desktop pictures you can see a diference in its Manila, its got a diferent Homepage!
Diamond is gonna inherit much of that wealth.
Luck fellas!
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I have stock ROM .. and my Diamond is as fast as the one in the video ..
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Could you tell me what version your stock ROM is please. Thanks
my diamond is on DUtty v1.6 and it's fast! slightly faster than on the video if i have to say?
I get the same performance as in the video with a 1.37 Swedish stock rom.
The only (tempoarary) performance issues I have with TF3D is after I for instance close down Opera or do some other CPU intensive task. It then usually takes a few seconds before the menus are back to being as responsive as usual. But that's it.
I have however applied the standard registry tweaks, but as far as I can remember I did not observe any significant change in performance.
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Could you tell me what version your stock ROM is please. Thanks
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take a look at at my Signature
This is really for the cooks to have a look at…
http://www.viddler.com/explore/WMExperts/videos/2/
The Omnia has some really great software features built in maybe some of them can be ported into a custom Diamond ROM by the cooks. Haptic feedback with sensitivity control, alarm app, barcode reader, google launcher, etc...
What do you think?
The interface is much smoother on the Omnia than the Diamond, very noticeable when he scrolls in the programs folder compared to the stuttery scrolling on the Diamond.
Would also love to see that zoom out then zoom in when the phone is tilted, that looks awesome
Samsung has done an excellent job on that interface.
Personally, I don't like much the Omnia interface, but one thing is a fact: Omnia is much much faster than Diamond...
HastaSSSS
That's really true!!!
Crap. Nothing more. You must realize, that Omnia redraw about cca 3.5 times pixels less than Diamond. That is all. That is why she is fater. Nothing more. Samsung did excellent work? Why? Let me prove my words - these benchmarks are from Omnia by SPB benchmark: CPU:1847 , Diamond: CPU: 2299, OK, and dont forgett that Omnia has 624 MHz CPU, But Diamond only 528! And he is still much faster. You may say that new Marvell 624 MHz CPUs are bad, but they are not - HP Ipaq 214 with same CPU as Omnia has 2500 spb benchmark CPU test points. OK, you could say that Omnia has 5500 points in graphic test, but Diamond only 1600 - yes, but Diamond has VGA screen. Ipaq 214 has VGA screen too, and has 1600 points too. So, Diamond graphic points are 1600*4. So, Samsung did relativelly bad job, compared to ather phones with same CPU like Omnia.
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The interface is much smoother on the Omnia than the Diamond, very noticeable when he scrolls in the programs folder compared to the stuttery scrolling on the Diamond.
Would also love to see that zoom out then zoom in when the phone is tilted, that looks awesome
Samsung has done an excellent job on that interface.
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are you mad??? so U can count how long it takes to do the screen rotation and compare it to diamond with gsen, another thing diamond rotates VGA 640x480, Omnia only!!! WQVGA 240 x 400 so U can count again... and I ll give you my Diamond if samsung omnia will have such a forum and amateur development and support as Diamond
Yeah and also, the Omnia interface doesn't seem to use a lot of ressource, that is why it is fast.
Graphics from HTC Diamond are more beautiful => more ressource (RAM + CPU) => slower
That is all
Yeah, but it would be great if we had other alternatives to the Toucho3D, besides SPB mobile shell...
HastaSSSS
you will when schaps ll finnish his work...
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Yeah, but it would be great if we had other alternatives to the Toucho3D, besides SPB mobile shell...
HastaSSSS
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here here!
looks very slick ..... i like it! Only problem I should think would be because the samsung is a non-vga screen
one more reason to keep it off and solve important problems like mp3 lag, lock display when incoming call etc.. no fence
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one more reason to keep it off and solve important problems like mp3 lag, lock display when incoming call etc.. no fence
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One of the great "features" with being a community is that some ppl will focus on those particular problems whereas another user might choose to focus on this.
I doubt that the problems that you list will be resolved quicker depending on whether someone chooses to try porting the UI used on the Omnia.
I would love to try out the Omnia interface, after all, the diversity of windows mobile is one of the stronger points in buying/using a HTC device, at least for me...
That is a very nice device! well thought out and great implementation of WM. I would definitely buy it for my kids!
Aww come on guys..
Not another "diamond vs omnia" thread.
We just wanna know if we can port the best of Omnia onto the diamond. Thats it!. I am looking forward to the haptic feedback though. I think our gurus can easily develop a similar one, but.. whos gonna do it?
Task Manager
One of programs I like in Omnia and want in my Diamond is the Task manager in one buton. Diamond only shows it in TF3D. If you are reading an e-mail you can´t switch to another program if you don´t go to today and click on task manager. Today I´m using SPB Pocket Plus that I can set one button to do the same of the alt+tab of a PC. It shows all the programs runign in background. Does anyone have another idea besides the SPB Pocket plus to do this?
I totally agree that this thread should not be another Omnia Vs Diamond thread.
I’m fully aware that the Omnia has a smaller screen resolution hence it has less work to do which is the reason the animations are smoother or appear to be faster. To be honest I’m not bothered about that.
What I want is for the cooks to look at the Omnia ROM and see if anything useful can be ported over to the diamond. If they have haptic feedback, why can’t we? If they have a task manager why can’t we? etc...
Omnia's TouchWiz UI on Diamond
Hi guys,
just wondering if anyone came across a cab file or or a rom dump of the Samsung's Omnia to install the TouchWiz UI on the Diamond or Diamond pro.
Could be interesting.
I'll start investigating.
please use the search button
you didn't investigate much did you
there is a thread here already
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=418143&highlight=Omnia
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We just wanna know if we can port the best of Omnia onto the diamond. Thats it!. I am looking forward to the haptic feedback though. I think our gurus can easily develop a similar one, but.. whos gonna do it?
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How about porting the Diamond interface to the Omnia? This is something I'd be interested in seeing.
Hello, I'm a Kaiser owner and I'm thinking about going to the Diamond.
Can someone tell me how fast is the Diamond compared to the Kaiser ?
Can you play videos faster than the Kaiser do (with no lags) ?
Thanks !
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Hello, I'm a Kaiser owner and I'm thinking about going to the Diamond.
Can someone tell me how fast is the Diamond compared to the Kaiser ?
Can you play videos faster than the Kaiser do (with no lags) ?
Thanks !
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I am an ex Trinity user and Trinities were well known of beating the **** out of Kaisers, and many others. Compared to the Trinity, the Diamond does a slightly better job in rendering videos.
Ok, thanks ... So does this mean that the Diamond really includes the proper graphic drivers ?
I did search for informations about that but could not find any answer ...
I saw on a thread here that the Diamond is really slow using GPS softwares, you can see the roads drawing one by one when driving ...
So I don't understand how this device can be so fast in reading videos, and so slow in displaying GPS softwares maps ...
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Ok, thanks ... So does this mean that the Diamond really includes the proper graphic drivers ?
I did search for informations about that but could not find any answer ...
I saw on a thread here that the Diamond is really slow using GPS softwares, you can see the roads drawing one by one when driving ...
So I don't understand how this device can be so fast in reading videos, and so slow in displaying GPS softwares maps ...
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I never experienced that GPS issue. I believe it might have been something with a specific app or settings.
Diamond has different chip than Kaiser so it is not correct to say that Diamond includes the proper drivers. But YES, Diamond has optimized video drivers for its own graphic chip which is VGA and 3D capable.
Thank you very much for your answers !
I've moved from a Kaiser to a Diamond and say that using Coreplayer the videos are the same...albeit the Diamond is suposedly faster....but I never had any real issues with the Kaiser either
What I will warn you about is the battery drain....I find that with sporadic use the Diamond might last 3 days. I've not tried it yet, but I would think that the Diamond could not last a single 2 hr movie, with backlight over 70%. I do like the Diamond...but it has lots of funky flaws.....if I didn't know about this site and the experts here giving advice on tweaking and "new" ROMS that are faster I probably would have tossed it on the first day...
....then again, all HTC products (including the Kaiser) are not up to spec when they leave the box!!
Hope this helps
Thanks to you for your answer. In fact my Kaiser is the pocket pc which has the longer battery life other all I had before (Casio EM505F, Ipaq 1930, Axim X50V, Qtek9000, HTC Prophet ...). With the Kaiser, I don't feel the need to buy an extra battery.
I guess that the VGA display of the Diamond drains faster the battery ...
Enjoy the tilt display as well.....the "dear ol Diamond" has to sit flat on the aircraft dinner table or you need to put a bread roll underneath it to watch your movie at an acceptable angle
i switched as well, i managed to trade my kaiser for a diamond
reasons were better performance ( faster cpu en drivers) and thinner design
im loving it ( my diamond)
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i switched as well, i managed to trade my kaiser for a diamond
reasons were better performance ( faster cpu en drivers) and thinner design
im loving it ( my diamond)
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I am lucky enough to own a MDA Vario III and MDA Vario IV Compact (a free upgrade). I'd say the Compact IV compliments the Vario III but doesn't represent an upgrade. Personally most of the time I'll stick with the Vario III for the hardware keyboard but the Compact IV is a nice weekend more phone like form factor. Personally (and this is a personal view) I'd stick with the Kaiser if I had to choose between the two.
Thanks a lot for your answers ! I think I'll keep my Kaiser and wait for a real better device (much more powerfull).
altough the diamond has better hardware and decent drivers there basically the same
the kaiser is basically the same expierence but more suited towards people who type alot using a keyboard
i personally like the diamond a lot more because its thinner and much much lighter
i dont care for manilla that much , i switched back to throttle launcher now
on the other way around, compared to the diamond the only thing that the kaiser has going for it is the tilt screen abbility if you can live without that go for the diamond or wait a few weeks till hTC bring out another 47 smartphones to replace the diamond/kaiser all together
Hey,
Firstly, I would like to thank all the developers for making efforts to develop a decent rom for the Xperia. I have tried every single one of them.
Unfortunately I couldn't fall in love with any of them.
Somehow I sense that it must me me that is doing something if other older HTC devices seem to be running way faster on customized roms than the experia with so much hardware potential.
Anyone has the same feeling?
Kind Regards
no.
EDIT: For the sake of order: I've used an HTC Trinity before, which was MUCH slower - even with ultra light roms and maximum free RAM. I compared with the TyTn II, which has just awful landscape-switching speed and was overall slower. Compared with the Touch Pro, I don't see any big differences - and if, with slight advantages for the X1.
So, no, I don't think the X1 is slow or not smooth enough. It just depends on what you're running. TouchFlo3D just slows the system down significantly - even on the (original) HTC devices (like Diamond, Touch Pro or Touch HD).
this is the same comments coming everytime there is a new device.
Look at in.ex polaris...ok device, a bit slow. Now it have optimized 2d and 3d drivers, its damn fast compared to what it used to be...but that didnt happen with a snap of our fingers..
we are just in the beginning of working on x1
So please, be as unimpressed as you want.
have a nice day
cheers
Well, one should not forget, that the x1 has 25% more pixels than Diamond or Touch Pro and even 400% more pixels than Tytn II & Co ...