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S710 vs S730

I hade both phones in my hand so I decided to make small test. We all know about drivers problem on S730 but this is worst then I thought.
Both phones where running wm6, and both phones where restarted before testing.
Total RAM:
S710: 49.3 MB
S730: 43.6 MB
S710 wins here...
Why is here a difference I don't know, but I think that missing memory of 64MB RAM is reserverd for phone or graphic operation.
Free RAM after power on:
S710: 25.2 MB
S730: 17.0 MB
Again S710 wins...
As I didn't have any programs for graphic performance testing I tested pure user experience. Menu browsing is a little bit faster on S710, drawing homescreen by pressing home button is a much faster on S710, allmost instantaneous.
And now the real test. I loaded on both device pretty large web page in ie. Page was combined of photos and text. I scroled from top to bottom and maesured time needed for scrolling. S730 was more then 2 times slower and he has 400Mhz process vs 200Mhz procesor on S710, total disaster. So based on hardware, S730 is 5 times slower then S710, this is a big shame for HTC.
I hope HTC will fix this driver issues soon, because in this state this devices is
shame for HTC company...

my S730 can playback most video files without conversion compared to the S710
also, the bluetooth stereo audio quality is much improved with the S730
i changed my S730 homescreen from the default to my own custom one, and it loads much faster now
i use opera webbrowser and everything is much quicker
the S710 still has better RAM handling though
but i'd still take my S730, only because I use it more for media/video playback

for the drivers issue:
everyone should participate!!!+ http://www.htcclassaction.org/

That's actually just the type of info I've been looking for! Thanks! I have been seriously debating whether to upgrade to the HTC S730 or the HTC Touch Cruise, but your review just about confirms it for me.
My freaking over that a year old HTC Tornado (Qtek 8310) plays movies perfectly and running WM6 on a custom ROM has listed:
48.69 MB RAM Total
25.52 MB RAM Free (upon startup)
If HTC would just get their act together!!! Otherwise please Apple release a 2nd gen IPhone with 16GB and an open SDK, and I'll be an immediate convert.

sonus said:
That's actually just the type of info I've been looking for! Thanks! I have been seriously debating whether to upgrade to the HTC S730 or the HTC Touch Cruise, but your review just about confirms it for me.
My freaking over that a year old HTC Tornado (Qtek 8310) plays movies perfectly and running WM6 on a custom ROM has listed:
48.69 MB RAM Total
25.52 MB RAM Free (upon startup)
If HTC would just get their act together!!! Otherwise please Apple release a 2nd gen IPhone with 16GB and an open SDK, and I'll be an immediate convert.
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well... actually the touch cruise has the same "problem" as the s730, lack of proper graphic driver.
concerning the 710 vs 730... well not certainly a huge improvement, but i would not hesitate a sec to go for the latter. actually you can find proper comparison tests, even in this section of the forum if you look back at the first posts.
cheers

Thanks vrolok. I guess my concern is that if I'm going to spend over $500 on an HTC device, I want a legitimate upgrade from my last device... As far as my last statement, I guess I spoke too quickly, 16GB IPhone was announced today<<<It still needs A2DP, and SDK, and Skype for me to switch over tho ;-)
For now, I guess I'll just continue on with my lowly Qtek until either HTC or Apple provide some more impetus.

I really hope for new drivers. update firmware in my opinion can solve the problem with s730. I think that htc will perform something about s730, actually if you see in the official site, the relative s730 part is under construction, because without any download like the other product, actually it's N E W !!!

Precisely. Optimised firmware can turn the situation into oposite.

Or HTC will concentrate to new models without updating the firmware on old ones ;-)

According to my experiences with Wings and Qtek 8310, event this "slow" ROM gives me almost twice more speed at activesync and copying data (~450KB/s), as well as with Card Export i can copy almost at 800KB/s speed..

omadon99 said:
I hade both phones in my hand so I decided to make small test. We all know about drivers problem on S730 but this is worst then I thought.
Both phones where running wm6, and both phones where restarted before testing.
Total RAM:
S710: 49.3 MB
S730: 43.6 MB
S710 wins here...
Why is here a difference I don't know, but I think that missing memory of 64MB RAM is reserverd for phone or graphic operation.
Free RAM after power on:
S710: 25.2 MB
S730: 17.0 MB
Again S710 wins...
As I didn't have any programs for graphic performance testing I tested pure user experience. Menu browsing is a little bit faster on S710, drawing homescreen by pressing home button is a much faster on S710, allmost instantaneous.
And now the real test. I loaded on both device pretty large web page in ie. Page was combined of photos and text. I scroled from top to bottom and maesured time needed for scrolling. S730 was more then 2 times slower and he has 400Mhz process vs 200Mhz procesor on S710, total disaster. So based on hardware, S730 is 5 times slower then S710, this is a big shame for HTC.
I hope HTC will fix this driver issues soon, because in this state this devices is
shame for HTC company...
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Maybe. But when it comes to load a big program, like pocket snes (super nintendo emulator) the s710 is sooo slow! When I run the same program on my s730 it plays real fast just like using a super nintendo console!
In my opinion, the new 400mhz processor makes a really BIG difference.

Touch Diamond vs Samsung i900 Omnia

Hi folks
I'm looking to get myself either a tocuh diamond or samsung i900 somnia - I cant decide as they both have pros and cons so for me the deciding factor will be how well they play emulators eg FPSECE.
The screen size on the omnia is a non-standard 240 x 400 so will everything still work ok? such as key mapping?
Also, the samsung has an extra 100 mhz but no 3d chip do you think that means it will be faster, slower or make no obvious difference?
Comments appreciated!

hymmm this is it
Elooo!
Just Use Google... There is lot of comparisions... Latest is
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i900_omnia-review-267.php
and (i have diamond and i'm proud of that )
there are some features thata Diamond don't have....
Cheers... ;]

nobody know the answer to this one?

You have asked a very subjective question, but as you have said "deciding factor will be how well they play emulators eg FPSECE"
I would suspect the the Diamond would be better at running emulators as it does have a dedicated graphics chip with 64MB memory.

I appreciate your opinion but how well it performs in FPSECE isnt subjective as performance is determined by fps.
Im curious becasue in Spb benchmark Omnia thrashes Diamond???
5796.7 Omnia
1652.7 Htc Diamond
Strange?

Have a look at this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=401140
Hope it helps

Diamond not as quick as the Touch Pro

Just saw this Youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pENEldRxuwQ
and I am amazed at how quick the menus are on the Touch Pro. Why is the Diamond not as quick as this? Does the latest firmware for Diamond make it as quick?
TIA

touch pro has more memory.

Why do you think it is faster than the Diamond ?, I have ROM 193 and it doesn't seem faster at all (and btw, I only have like 20mb of free RAM, kind of shows you how meaningless this whole RAM issue is).

Mine is as fast - no that roms are being fine tuned - using a beta from a cook here i have to say that vid is nothing exciting and my dimaond is wizzing away - i cant make touch flo lag however erratic i use it...

Im sorry to spoil the party but my Diamond is as quick as the one in the Video or maybe even quicker. (all tweaks applied and Cooked ROM)
Im sure the PRO can be even faster after it takes a stroll down to the kitchen!
luck fellassss

so can a similar speed be seen on a diamond with an official firmware or can it only be achieved with a coked firmware? any videos showing the speed of the Diamond UI which is supposedly just as fast? TIA

Im sure the PRO can be even faster after it takes a stroll down to the kitchen!
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Maybe, but I doubt it will ever be faster than the Diamond.
Unlike Desktop PCs (and correct me if I'm wrong), WM doesn't use RAM to cache hard drive information, rather all software 100% works from RAM (after it loads there, that is). So, you could definitely load more software to the Pro's RAM, but each individual software won't run any quicker than on the Diamond.
The Touch Pro's name should really be changed to "Fat Diamond".

I have stock ROM .. and my Diamond is as fast as the one in the video ..

Noam23 said:
Maybe, but I doubt it will ever be faster than the Diamond.
Unlike Desktop PCs (and correct me if I'm wrong), WM doesn't use RAM to cache hard drive information, rather all software 100% works from RAM (after it loads there, that is). So, you could definitely load more software to the Pro's RAM, but each individual software won't run any quicker than on the Diamond.
The Touch Pro's name should really be changed to "Fat Diamond".
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I agree.
Im not familiar with the Processor the PRO has but im assuming the Processor is the same on both.
I believe the speed is judged by the MGz in the Processor. So if both carry the same processor they should have same speeds.
IMO I might be mistaken.

With the new ROM and tweaking programs my Diamond is very very fast... I'm very pleased now... and I don't like the HTC Touch PRO because is not that slim like the Diamond wich is on of the ``features`` I like about it.

With Bepe 0.98 ROM, Mine is running a little faster than that

Mine is that fast or faster too, thanks Dutty, and that's with a big pile of crap loaded on by me too.

Noam23 said:
Unlike Desktop PCs (and correct me if I'm wrong), WM doesn't use RAM to cache hard drive information
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Actually, there is a setting that can make the diamond cache file system....

when cooked touch pro ROMs manifest themselves, we might see a difference though I'm just looking forward to how much the diamond is going to earn on raphaels drivers and software

chribruu said:
when cooked touch pro ROMs manifest themselves, we might see a difference though I'm just looking forward to how much the diamond is going to earn on raphaels drivers and software
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Indeed!!!
Besides if you look at PROS desktop pictures you can see a diference in its Manila, its got a diferent Homepage!
Diamond is gonna inherit much of that wealth.
Luck fellas!

NisseDILLIGAF said:
I have stock ROM .. and my Diamond is as fast as the one in the video ..
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Could you tell me what version your stock ROM is please. Thanks

my diamond is on DUtty v1.6 and it's fast! slightly faster than on the video if i have to say?

I get the same performance as in the video with a 1.37 Swedish stock rom.
The only (tempoarary) performance issues I have with TF3D is after I for instance close down Opera or do some other CPU intensive task. It then usually takes a few seconds before the menus are back to being as responsive as usual. But that's it.
I have however applied the standard registry tweaks, but as far as I can remember I did not observe any significant change in performance.

Techno79 said:
Could you tell me what version your stock ROM is please. Thanks
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take a look at at my Signature

Not impressed by current ROMs

Hey,
Firstly, I would like to thank all the developers for making efforts to develop a decent rom for the Xperia. I have tried every single one of them.
Unfortunately I couldn't fall in love with any of them.
Somehow I sense that it must me me that is doing something if other older HTC devices seem to be running way faster on customized roms than the experia with so much hardware potential.
Anyone has the same feeling?
Kind Regards

no.
EDIT: For the sake of order: I've used an HTC Trinity before, which was MUCH slower - even with ultra light roms and maximum free RAM. I compared with the TyTn II, which has just awful landscape-switching speed and was overall slower. Compared with the Touch Pro, I don't see any big differences - and if, with slight advantages for the X1.
So, no, I don't think the X1 is slow or not smooth enough. It just depends on what you're running. TouchFlo3D just slows the system down significantly - even on the (original) HTC devices (like Diamond, Touch Pro or Touch HD).

this is the same comments coming everytime there is a new device.
Look at in.ex polaris...ok device, a bit slow. Now it have optimized 2d and 3d drivers, its damn fast compared to what it used to be...but that didnt happen with a snap of our fingers..
we are just in the beginning of working on x1
So please, be as unimpressed as you want.
have a nice day
cheers

Well, one should not forget, that the x1 has 25% more pixels than Diamond or Touch Pro and even 400% more pixels than Tytn II & Co ...

Think HTC could have done better with the Diamond 2

A good buddy of mine has the new Diamond 2 and I have to say the phone looks real nice but the proformance to my option is slower than the Diamond 1,Didn´t like the touchflo at all and with the same navi TomTom and map as on the Diamond 2 and the Diamond 1 ,My Diamond 1 with TomTom ran a whole lot smoother ,the 5mp camera ,good and fine but still as slow as the 3,2mp camera in the Diamond 1,the way it looks to me that the Diamond 2 is just a rebuilt Sony Xperia,Come on HTC ,i think ya could have done better with the Diamond 2,at least a better processor ,longer lasting battery,could have added the WM6.5, to make it a lil more interesting,Diamond 2 NO THANK YOU ,wait to see if a Diamond 3 comes out

The diamond2 will have wm 6.5 when it's released.

dcbrowne said:
A good buddy of mine has the new Diamond 2 and I have to say the phone looks real nice but the proformance to my option is slower than the Diamond 1,Didn´t like the touchflo at all and with the same navi TomTom and map as on the Diamond 2 and the Diamond 1 ,My Diamond 1 with TomTom ran a whole lot smoother ,the 5mp camera ,good and fine but still as slow as the 3,2mp camera in the Diamond 1,the way it looks to me that the Diamond 2 is just a rebuilt Sony Xperia,Come on HTC ,i think ya could have done better with the Diamond 2,at least a better processor ,longer lasting battery,could have added the WM6.5, to make it a lil more interesting,Diamond 2 NO THANK YOU ,wait to see if a Diamond 3 comes out
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The TD2 is way faster than the TD1, has much more memory and TouchFlo is very very sensitive. And the long screen is superb, when I looked at the TD1 after a few weeks I say such a small screen...
Really, it's better in every ways! (although the black looks and the diamond back of the TD1 are nice too...)

How is the battery compared to Diamond 1?

Diamond2 is by far a marked improvement on the diamond1 with out a doubt..........BUT has anyone else noticed the lag and lack of smoothness on tomtom!!!

The touch of Diamond2 is much better than the Diamond 1:
It seems almost a kind of screen capacitive like the iPhone!

B1CEP said:
.....BUT has anyone else noticed the lag and lack of smoothness on tomtom!!!
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No. Seems very good - running ver 7.9 - although I do not have too much to compare it to. I use an old TomTom one, which seem pretty similar.

B1CEP said:
Diamond2 is by far a marked improvement on the diamond1 with out a doubt..........BUT has anyone else noticed the lag and lack of smoothness on tomtom!!!
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I was really disapointed with TomTom7 on the TD2. The POI icons are too small to see, and the screen refresh is very jerky. I used to run the same version of TomTom on my TYTN2, and it looked and ran much better

galvinize said:
The diamond2 will have wm 6.5 when it's released.
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The Diamond 2 is already out and it has Mobile 6.1 pro on it for your info,HEHE

meggs said:
How is the battery compared to Diamond 1?
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Well that my friend is my workin buddy and we compare the 2 phones against each other the battery dosen´t last any longer than the Diamond 1

D2 is so much better than D1.
i used to have a Touch Pro, and i can say that the only advantage except the keyboard with touch pro was the battery. nothing else

dcbrowne said:
Well that my friend is my workin buddy and we compare the 2 phones against each other the battery dosen´t last any longer than the Diamond 1
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Thanks. How often do you have to charge it during heavy use?

dcbrowne said:
A good buddy of mine has the new Diamond 2 and I have to say the phone looks real nice but the proformance to my option is slower than the Diamond 1,Didn´t like the touchflo at all and with the same navi TomTom and map as on the Diamond 2 and the Diamond 1 ,My Diamond 1 with TomTom ran a whole lot smoother ,the 5mp camera ,good and fine but still as slow as the 3,2mp camera in the Diamond 1,the way it looks to me that the Diamond 2 is just a rebuilt Sony Xperia,Come on HTC ,i think ya could have done better with the Diamond 2,at least a better processor ,longer lasting battery,could have added the WM6.5, to make it a lil more interesting,Diamond 2 NO THANK YOU ,wait to see if a Diamond 3 comes out
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I have had both. In fact, I have had two diamonds, touch pro, s740, etc. etc.
The Diamond 2 is way way faster then the Diamond. In fact its faster then the touch pro. The touch pro was always considered faster then the diamond due to the extra memory.
The TD2 is just super snappy. Pretty good condering all the extra pixels its pushing.
The battery is 1100 Mha comaperd to the diamond's 900 Mha. It shows.
Touchflow is much deeper integrated. Makes it better for touch using. Personally I like the stylus better, but I had an iphone for 2 months. Its a great phone, but not for me.
TD2 is nothing like the experia. Believe me.
As you haven't got a TD2, I would take your opinion with a grain of salt

dcbrowne said:
Well that my friend is my workin buddy and we compare the 2 phones against each other the battery dosen´t last any longer than the Diamond 1
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Really??!!! That's funny....
I have both TD1 and a TD2 and I can tell you that the battery life on the TD2 is a BIG improvement.
Regarding speed..... you only need to look at the benchmarks to see which is the faster and we haven't even started cooking ROMs yet. The TD2 wins on every count.
I don't even know why I'm replying on this thread to tell you the truth, because as the saying goes "One man's meat is another man's poison" and it's useless trying to argue, but the truth is... the TD2 is faster and has a better battery life than the TD1. Fact.

dcbrowne said:
The Diamond 2 is already out and it has Mobile 6.1 pro on it for your info,HEHE
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Yeah, but WM 6.5 isn't out on general release yet.

dcbrowne said:
A good buddy of mine has the new Diamond 2 and I have to say the phone looks real nice but the proformance to my option is slower than the Diamond 1,Didn´t like the touchflo at all and with the same navi TomTom and map as on the Diamond 2 and the Diamond 1 ,My Diamond 1 with TomTom ran a whole lot smoother ,the 5mp camera ,good and fine but still as slow as the 3,2mp camera in the Diamond 1,the way it looks to me that the Diamond 2 is just a rebuilt Sony Xperia,Come on HTC ,i think ya could have done better with the Diamond 2,at least a better processor ,longer lasting battery,could have added the WM6.5, to make it a lil more interesting,Diamond 2 NO THANK YOU ,wait to see if a Diamond 3 comes out
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Guess your D1 got some hardware replacement or something...

Just have WM6.5 on my diamond with alot of tweakin on it hope to have my first rom out soon still testin

I moved from TD1 to TD2 a couple of weeks ago. Without a doubt the TD2 is significant better than TD1. In my scale of 10, the TD1 would be 6 whereas TD2 would be a 8 - a third better! Don't ask me how I got to these numbers; just pure happiness factor I guess!

TomTom on D2
tonyh0905 said:
I was really disapointed with TomTom7 on the TD2. The POI icons are too small to see, and the screen refresh is very jerky. I used to run the same version of TomTom on my TYTN2, and it looked and ran much better
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Try the WVGA version of TomTom. This improves some of the icons but not all. The keyboard to input addresses is still small but the WVGA version is a bit better to see and use.
Regards
Aussie

jchoong said:
I moved from TD1 to TD2 a couple of weeks ago. Without a doubt the TD2 is significant better than TD1. In my scale of 10, the TD1 would be 6 whereas TD2 would be a 8 - a third better! Don't ask me how I got to these numbers; just pure happiness factor I guess!
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I came up with similar numbers as I upgraded as well. I think was at a 5.5 and bumped to around an 8.75.