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does anyone know of any application that monitors text messages.. what im trying to do is find a program that will foward any message that is sent or recieved on my girlfriends phone.. she has a tilt as do i.. so im wondering if anyone has this particular type of software. i suspect something going on which is neither here nor there but id like to have a 1-2 week log of her texts to confront her with... so im basically trying to get a copy of every text that goes out or comes in. thanks guys
Yea, I will start forwarding them all to you
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Yea, I will start forwarding them all to you
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Cold... Very cold
heh...lol i could of used something like that for my girlfriend..i mean X girlfriend
visual studio 6 has great ce tools maybe you could write one for us! but really lol i dont think theres anything out there to do this. if i find something ill tell you.
If you don't trust your gf enough that you need to do this, then you should probably just break up. If you do somehow get a program for this (and it's highly doubtful) and confront her with it I think she'll have just as much to be angry about as you. Pretty big invasion of privacy whether or not she's guilty of what you suspect.
I have to agree with others that if you have to resort to spying rather than trust and talking to each other then you have bigger problems to deal with.
But if you must here are three that I know of. I used to see another program but I can't find it now.
http://www.flexispy.com/spyphone-windows-mobile.htm
http://www.mobile-spy.com/
http://microsoft.handango.com/Platf...19509§ionId=0&catalog=1&&authorId=1637871
Its NOT software you want its a hardware device called "Chastity-Belt" not quite sure if its Windows Mobile 6 compatible but it may do the trick.
Good Luck
uhhh...wtf ^
look into an experimental program being developed(in its beta stages) called sprite archie, google it, its not hard to find, i used it for similar purposes and it worked great. It will forward call logs, and sms, to an email account!
oh here ya go: http://www.spritesoftware.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=201 , this will be exactly what your looking for, and its pretty stealth, providing you delete the shortcuts in the program folder!
Let me tell you from experience. If you go down this path.. it will never stop. You will NEVER be satisfied. If you log her texts and see that she's not doing anything.. you'll just take it even further and further.
Just break up with her. If she asks why, tell her the truth. You just don't feel you can trust her. This is what I did in my past relationship of nearly 6 years and I am glad it's over.
lol i love how it turned into a relationship advising post
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lol i love how it turned into a relationship advising post
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Yeah, I just wish people would stick to the request, and leave the other bs out! This is Xda developers, not Xda Dr Phil!
Burrrnnn!!! agree with ditching the loose change
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heh...lol i could of used something like that for my girlfriend..i mean X girlfriend
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Something like this would be cool. I would donate if that was made on this forum..
Hi all.
People notice my phone and keep saying -
"What's that?"
"Who makes it?"
"What does it do?"
"Is it an iPhone"
So I am asking for suggestions, what is the best way and software to show off what these things are, and what they can do?
Thanks,
B
I show off TouchFlo
I show off Touch Flo, Skyfire, TomTom, remote desktop, vnc, the keyboard, the tilt screen, the copy and paste, ect.
turn the screen brightness all the way up. turn the sound all the way up. and scroll through manilla looking for something to do.
LOL !
I get the same damn iPhone question since I have the VZW Touch. First I say it's HTC, then it's WTF is HTC? Then they see my Vista WAD theme, and want to play with everything. The S2P, Opera, Multiplayer Poker, and some are amazed I can open '07 Excel and Word files. Not to mention, after ThrottleLock pops up, they have no idea what to do !
Some people are amazed at it, and we find it somewhat simple. There was a customer I was talking to once, and she was giving me a small order. I write down the order in notes, calculate the prices, then make a phone call. All the while she had no idea it was a phone to begin with.
But nobody knows my secret......GPS tracking with RT, shhhhh!!!!
Gremote, remote desktop to show off the hi res, gyrator.
If you have RemoteTracker, that is an awesome tool to show off.
Teeter is always a winner. If they're a gamer, COD2 in HW accel mode is pretty awesome.
Let's be honest, it's a geek's plaything and some folk just won't get it.
I got my hands on an iPhone for the first time today. It was very nice, and I played with it for a bit. We got it at my work as a test phone. The app support guy asked me if I wanted to take it home for the weekend to play with, as he knows I'm a smartphone nut.
You know what? I couldn't be bothered. For me, iPhone is not the future. I thought, great, a toy for the weekend. Then I thought about what I might play with and just lost interest. I love the way it's pushed the industry forward, don't get me wrong.
I think they're not so great for geeks like me who like to hack around.
Elite rom is nearly out (tonight? hopefully), and the linux guys are making amazing strides with Android. The exciting thing for me having the touch pro as a hobby gadget, is that the potential has nowhere near been reached.
Great thread!!!
LOL
I have the same question almost in any place I go (And my Uni is form 2005)
Nobody seems to know what the hell is that thing?
One day I forgot it in a taxi and the driver said to me: "Hey you forgot your calculator" LOL
I find almost imposible to explain what I have on my hands
Cheers to all
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I have the same question almost in any place I go (And my Uni is form 2005)
Nobody seems to know what the hell is that thing?
One day I forgot it in a taxi and the driver said to me: "Hey you forgot your calculator" LOL
I find almost imposible to explain what I have on my hands
Cheers to all
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Oh my God!!!!!
When I saw calc, I started laughing my ass off!
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Oh my God!!!!!
When I saw calc, I started laughing my ass off!
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Yeah me too! after I passed my scarry moments thinking of me without my Uni...
And thanks to that funny fact the driver returned me my old and heavy "calculator"! if he knew it was a cellphone my chances to geting back were less than cero...
I have a hot-key set to play a .wav file a wave file of an electric razor, then pretend like I'm shaving with it after I finish a call. It's great fun in a bank line
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I have a hot-key set to play a .wav file a wave file of an electric razor, then pretend like I'm shaving with it after I finish a call. It's great fun in a bank line
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Haha awesome!!!
show it off in the club, and when ever someone needs to use a phone...you have one right here....then they are like "how do i use this?" oh...you go like this *scroll through manilla, and do a quick copy and paste....wait sorry i didnt mean to do that, here - you just do this to make a call
LOL
LMFAO!!!!
Well, here where I live, as soon as you meet people, i dunno, for lunch, you place your phones on top of the table. HTC is new here, but people are still fab about the iPhone and now the Blackberries, but I used "Manila" on my Elfin, and the phone is so small, light and Manila just ROCKS! Bar-None, as I said in a post, not only trendy women, but people who depend on their phones would flip through TouchFlo and see the Home screen, contacts, SMS, Email, weather, and Browser so FAST, SIMPLE and BEAUTFUL.....suddenly.....their phone feels.......like a stale piece of bread? LOL!!!!!!
Paul
*lol* I keep telling people "this is a HTC device I´m using, its not an iPhone, but in some terms better".
Apps to show-off in my oppinion: Browsing with Opera, TomTom, S2U2, S2P, S2V and of course Manilla2D. Nevertheless, since my brother´s got a Diamond I know that the possibilities to show off with my polaris are quite...limited xD
So my suggestion: Just buy Diamond/HD and pack it with G-Sensor apps, games, show Manilla theming and skinning stuff (which the iPhone is not able to do )
Martin
I've put a shortcut to a mp3 i made at zedge.net using the voice tool called hello phone
in my start menu. Then using microsoft voice command the coversation goes like this
Me - Start hello phone
Phone - Hello darren, how are you?
Me - I'm fine, now shut up.
Phone - ok, I'm sorry for disturbing you
Gonna try to make a really long sophisticated one soon
I press a couple numbers and press Send. They're amazed by the voices on the other side of the phone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huzCCdMH5SY
I'm not interested in wasting my life watching stupid videos.
I'll answer your question ONLY if you write a proper description of what you are interested in.
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I'm not interested in wasting my life watching stupid videos.
I'll answer your question ONLY if you write a proper description of what you are interested in.
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Control ps3 through bluetooth on your phone, I watched the stupid video
Yeah if a dev could be bothered to but might aswell just buy a ps3 controller lol
As stated, sure you could do it but realistically its a pretty stupid idea.
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I'm not interested in wasting my life watching stupid videos.
I'll answer your question ONLY if you write a proper description of what you are interested in.
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And this is why I love your posts
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Nice way to seem like an elitist douche bag. If you clicked the video for two seconds you would understand what he'd like to have done. You seemed to go out of your way to type up your ass-hole post, would it have been much harder to click the video and get the gist of what he wants? Sure he should have said a brief description. Ever occur maybe his english isn't that good so he figured a video of exactly what he wants would suit better? This is the internet, just because you're some piece of **** behind your computer doesn't make you cool for being a **** head to people.
And I see your name says lbcoder. Do anything worthwhile, anyways? Every one is calling this a stupid idea. I wouldn't say it's stupid, but it is worthless for the most part. But hey, some people might use it. Too many people on this site need to chill out.
ROFLMAO! Now that was funny. But he has a point, when did this place become so hostile? I mean I would get it if the OP was asking something that was just answered a page back and he didn't search... Fine have at it. But there was no need to be rude. Maybe it is people like you that are bring the over all morale down and making less people interested in the community. Who knows he might be the next cyanogen and you just showed him all senior members here are jerks or atleast that could be his impression.
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ROFLMAO! Now that was funny. But he has a point, when did this place become so hostile? I mean I would get it if the OP was asking something that was just answered a page back and he didn't search... Fine have at it. But there was no need to be rude. Maybe it is people like you that are bring the over all morale down and making less people interested in the community. Who knows he might be the next cyanogen and you just showed him all senior members here are jerks or atleast that could be his impression.
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He is a senior member...
But that wasn't your point
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Nice way to seem like an elitist douche bag. If you clicked the video for two seconds you would understand what he'd like to have done. You seemed to go out of your way to type up your ass-hole post, would it have been much harder to click the video and get the gist of what he wants? Sure he should have said a brief description. Ever occur maybe his english isn't that good so he figured a video of exactly what he wants would suit better? This is the internet, just because you're some piece of **** behind your computer doesn't make you cool for being a **** head to people.
And I see your name says lbcoder. Do anything worthwhile, anyways? Every one is calling this a stupid idea. I wouldn't say it's stupid, but it is worthless for the most part. But hey, some people might use it. Too many people on this site need to chill out.
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I don't know I have to agree with him. The English seems to be good enough in the title. And the OP very well could have written a small blurb to at least allow people to get the gist without clicking the link, even if it was in broken English. Looks like youtube spam or flat out laziness to me. Really worthless idea, as well.
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I don't know I have to agree with him. The English seems to be good enough in the title. And the OP very well could have written a small blurb to at least allow people to get the gist without clicking the link, even if it was in broken English. Looks like youtube spam or flat out laziness to me. Really worthless idea, as well.
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do you answer like that in real life, for example in work if your colleague has an idea you deem worthless?
hopefully not. nor people should be doing it here. its just.. i dont know.. being well mannered?
What specifically can you control with the phone? Only thing I would be interested in would be a full DVD remote. I hate navigating the menu trying to find certain features while the movie is going.
BTW, I browse these forums on my breaks at work where youtube is blocked.
I would be interested in using my phone as a keyboard and "mouse" that would be sweet.
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What specifically can you control with the phone? Only thing I would be interested in would be a full DVD remote. I hate navigating the menu trying to find certain features while the movie is going.
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I would be interested in using my phone as a keyboard and "mouse" that would be sweet.
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+1 - that would be nice as well - see this idea has legs.
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do you answer like that in real life, for example in work if your colleague has an idea you deem worthless?
hopefully not. nor people should be doing it here. its just.. i dont know.. being well mannered?
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Yes, if a co-worker comes up with a ridiculous idea, I tell him/her right out that it is a ridiculous idea. It's not rude, it's direct.
So, you are telling me that people should not express their opinions on here just in case it may hurt someone's feelings? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of having a discussion with opposing views?
In my opinion, it brings no value to this phone to have it act like a Playstation 3 controller. An app that could access files on the PS3 (ie gmote) would be interesting, however.
Well, this app has more purpose than controlling your ps3 (which I have, btw). But basically, this app is able to mimic other bluetooth devices; from keyboards, mice, even a ps3 controller. the use for such an app is actually amazing. having an app like this means i don't have to buy that $40 keyboard attachment for my controller. furthermore, i wouldn't even need to buy another controller.
anyways, check out the dev's website http://www.valeriovalerio.org/?page_id=174
seems like the app is listed under open source. maybe some of our app devs here might wanna give it a try? I would myself, but I just started learning java last week. https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=765
last edit: i just attached the source code. it's written in python, so someone will have to convert it to android java
id be real interested in an ps3 app that i can use as a dvd/br controller so i dont have to spend 25 on a remote, and using the hardware keyboard and the touchscreen as a ps3 keyboard/mouse... because as pointed out, im a broke mofo that shouldnt have a smartphone or a tmo data plan because i cant afford to pay for a snes emulator atm...
Here's the official word from the dev himself:
Short answer: BlueMaemo can't be ported to Android. Maemo and Android are not compatible in any way.
Basically you've to write everything from scratch you can't use any of the BlueMaemo bits, first you've to make sure that the Bluetooth stack in the Andoid platform is already fully open, last time I checked it wasn't, thus impossible to make something similar to BlueMaemo .
Best regards,
Valério Valério
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Which makes sense. We don't even have a good working BT transfer app yet.
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it seem that you prefer to waste your life writing stupids reply's...
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Here's the official word from the dev himself:
Which makes sense. We don't even have a good working BT transfer app yet.
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medieval bluetooth file transfer
Here are a few things, that when I hear people say them or something like them, I immediately want to just punch them in the face.
1. "4G is here!"
Uhm, no. Next year, buddy, at the earliest. It's going to be in a few markets and a few markets for the next year or so, but not everywhere that you'd normally get 3G. And by the way, THIS.
2. "Verizon is the best (in the US)!"
Uhm, no. They may have the best coverage, but I'd prefer not to pay out of my a** to get it. I'd also like it if people weren't nickled and dimed for every little thing, like tiered data plans (F*CK bandwith capping) and tethering.
3. "My iPhone is the greatest!"
Uhm, no. Lay off the Kool-Aid.
4. "Why did you buy that BRICK of a phone? (about my Touch Pro 2)
Hey, di*kface, this phone has the best mobile keyboard on the planet. That's a lot of space right there. Not to mention all the hardware goodies that were nice when the phone first came out. I want my phone to be like a mini-computer, so I'm okay if it's as big and heavy as one.
Okay, just venting. Anyone else get frustrated at some of the things you constantly hear?????!!!!
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4. "Why did you buy that BRICK of a phone? (about my Touch Pro 2)
Hey, di*kface, this phone has the best mobile keyboard on the planet. That's a lot of space right there. Not to mention all the hardware goodies that were nice when the phone first came out. I want my phone to be like a mini-computer, so I'm okay if it's as big and heavy as one.
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I will bow down to you!! That exactly what everyone says!!! SPOT on!
This is what i get in school:
"Why have you got an old 80's phone?" "I havent, but i better my phone is better than yours at multitasking!"
"Look he carrys his computer around in his pocket" "at least ive got a computer!"
Or..
"Whys your phone so big?" "Because its about to burst with the amount of functions it has"
Some people ask how old my phone is. I say 7 years old. They say its getting on a bit. Why don't you buy a Samsung Tocco Lite? I say:
1. Tocco's screen is too small,
2. I can't play DOOM on a tocco,
3. Its too popular
4. Its not windows mobile,
5. Why would i spend about £60 on a phone i can lose easier because its small?
6. The build quality won't be as good.
So there!!!! Iam a bit tired now, might just chop my hands off.
rorytmeadows said:
4. "Why did you buy that BRICK of a phone? (about my Touch Pro 2)
Hey, di*kface, this phone has the best mobile keyboard on the planet. That's a lot of space right there. Not to mention all the hardware goodies that were nice when the phone first came out. I want my phone to be like a mini-computer, so I'm okay if it's as big and heavy as one.
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LOL
I always get "It's a bit Heavy" - to which they get "It has a fully functional QWERTY keyboard - it's an acceptable trade off".
I also like taking the proverbial "P" out of people who still own iPhone's and are getting bored with them. I keep telling them how many of Apple FanBoi's have now gotten the HTC Desire and love it now.
Dave
I hope nobody minds if I expand to the internet, too (I guess that's still relevant to the topic heading)...
5. "Facebook needs to fix their privacy settings"
Listen, moron, it's the internet. It's public. If you don't want private information out in public, DON'T PUT IT ON THE INTERNET.
rorytmeadows said:
4. "Why did you buy that BRICK of a phone? (about my Touch Pro 2)
Hey, di*kface, this phone has the best mobile keyboard on the planet. That's a lot of space right there. Not to mention all the hardware goodies that were nice when the phone first came out. I want my phone to be like a mini-computer, so I'm okay if it's as big and heavy as one.
Okay, just venting. Anyone else get frustrated at some of the things you constantly hear?????!!!!
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Same prob here
A lot of friends say something stupid like that, they are so influenced with iphone and crackberry
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I hope nobody minds if I expand to the internet, too (I guess that's still relevant to the topic heading)...
5. "Facebook needs to fix their privacy settings"
Listen, moron, it's the internet. It's public. If you don't want private information out in public, DON'T PUT IT ON THE INTERNET.
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The day I joined FB was the day I set my privacy settings up.
And so far, I've only changed them to make them less restrictive.
If you're too stupid to understand them, maybe you shouldn't use it .
Dave
7. OMGz, you use Tweeter!!!! People only talk about them pooping on that!
No, 90% of what I see is useful news in helping to improve my already better phone.
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7. OMGz, you use Tweeter!!!! People only talk about them pooping on that!
No, 90% of what I see is useful news in helping to improve my already better phone.
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I have 2 Twitter accounts and I try to use them as often as possible, but I just can't figure out why people would choose this over Facebook. You get the status updates, you can post pictures and videos just the same, and you have more of a profile established with loads of stuff. I mean all of my status updates are the same for all of them (thanks to Digsby) and please don't be offended by this, but why do a majority of people prefer Twitter? I'd love to get into it, but I just don't see it.
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I have 2 Twitter accounts and I try to use them as often as possible, but I just can't figure out why people would choose this over Facebook. You get the status updates, you can post pictures and videos just the same, and you have more of a profile established with loads of stuff. I mean all of my status updates are the same for all of them (thanks to Digsby) and please don't be offended by this, but why do a majority of people prefer Twitter? I'd love to get into it, but I just don't see it.
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I've found that Twitter is best to reach a larger audience in a shorter amount of time, which is why it is perfect for ROMs and such. John releases a rom, he has 20,000 followers. These followers tell their followers through a retweet and it quickly gets around. With Facebook it could take days before anyone notices something (or says anything).
I've always used Facebook for family conversations and Twitter for my android friends.
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I've found that Twitter is best to reach a larger audience in a shorter amount of time, which is why it is perfect for ROMs and such. John releases a rom, he has 20,000 followers. These followers tell their followers through a retweet and it quickly gets around. With Facebook it could take days before anyone notices something (or says anything).
I've always used Facebook for family conversations and Twitter for my android friends.
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Ahhhh, that makes good sense. Actually, now that I think about it, it makes sense for why Twitter is so popular for celebrities and media outlets. Hmm, interesting. Thanks!
Hello, I recently switched from ios to android, google disadvantage now see that (in my opinion) do not fulfill specific functions, we changed the English but still not correctly answer general types: how's the weather today nearby restaurants etc.. What is your opinion about google now?
I always think that google now is in development, cuz first of all is the voice engine its pretty "mechanical".That's all
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Let's put it this way:
Siri:
"What's the weather like today?" "Are you sure you want to delete all contacts?" "No! No! No! I didn't ask you to do that!" "Delete Confirmed."
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Google Now:
Open the app
Look at the weather card. (Usually the first thing you see when you go in the app)
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Google now has handy "cards" for you to view wherever you are. Like what restraunts are nearby, Photo locations, Traffic information, ETA to Home/Work etc.
You don't need to ask it anything most of the time, although you can ask simple questions such as "How old is (Insert famous person here)" or "How tall is (Insert Famous Person here)" or "When was (Insert building/landmark here) built?" and it'll often tell you the answer
What I've heard from people is if you live in the US and speak US english, like me, it's by far better than anything else out there. If you don't live here / don't speak US english, it's not that great. I've never tried any other language or country so I can't tell, but for me, Google now is miles ahead of siri. Cortana is actually pretty good though.
Thanks for the opinions guys, one more question, I have to search the motor google.us or have active locations to benefit from all functions of the application? thanks
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Thanks for the opinions guys, one more question, I have to search the motor google.us or have active locations to benefit from all functions of the application? thanks
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Google search is normally set to your local one (I.e if you are in the US, you'll be automatically searching with the US one)
You need to have active location (GPS) to get the best benefit from all the function.
It needs to know where you are so it can show those cards with information relevant to your current location but hey, at least you don't have to keep on asking it questions!
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Siri feels like an assistant.I cant say the same for google now.Its my personal opinion
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To be honest I don't see much of a difference in what they do, besides their names and companies. After all, Google is my favorite search engine and database, and I definitely prefer Google Maps over Apple's, so Google Now does a pretty awesome job for me. Siri/Google Now would not really affect my purchasing decision in any case.
I really like the functions of Google Now. It's more helpful and able to provide information when I need it. However, to enable the full functionality of Google Now means Google Service Framework is running all the time and producing a huge amount of wakelocks... Which means a lot of battery drainage.
So I would say neither one of these meets my expectation...Hope GSF could get better
I think Google Now "understands" your requests better, but maybe it is microphone related... I dont know anybody using any of these services because it affords more time getting what you want.
i prefer google now. looks a lot cleaner and more accurate imo.
Although I have never used an iPhone except for demo kiosks, I hear nothing but terrible things. Can't remember who did it but there was a Youtube video comparing the two when they came out. Siri for some reason kept wanting to talk about horses. :laugh:
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Although I have never used an iPhone except for demo kiosks, I hear nothing but terrible things. Can't remember who did it but there was a Youtube video comparing the two when they came out. Siri for some reason kept wanting to talk about horses. :laugh:
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yah i like google now
I don't like any of the Google Apps included Google Now because it's waisting all your RAM memory!
And it stays running in the background.
I have only used S-Voice when i was on stock but i'm now on custom rom and now i'm don't using a siri anymore.
Siri Apps are defenitly better then any other !
I have had the iphone 4s firmware updates and enjoy siri, was an addition more than useless over to the friends. I have now and s-voice s4 is something less mechanical than siri in the sense of the daily use
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I know this is very unscientific, but whenever I meet someone who uses an iphone, I ask if they use siri. Most don't. Not everyone uses google voice search either, but it seems like more do. Take from that what you will. As for me, I love google's voice search. It has rarely failed me.
I have to admit, Siri is fun. And many people just use it for entertainment purposes.
Google Now is mainly used for help and knowledge. And I use it everyday. Its a great way of doing tasks while you're a bit busy.
Defenitly Siri
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Let's put it this way:
Google now has handy "cards" for you to view wherever you are. Like what restraunts are nearby, Photo locations, Traffic information, ETA to Home/Work etc.
You don't need to ask it anything most of the time, although you can ask simple questions such as "How old is (Insert famous person here)" or "How tall is (Insert Famous Person here)" or "When was (Insert building/landmark here) built?" and it'll often tell you the answer
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SOME ONE GIVE THIS MAN A REWARD!!!
I agree, Google Now is awesome... Gives me all the informations I need without even FRIGGIN ASKING ABOUT IT!!! (Etc. How to get back home from school or work using public transit, football matches results, nearby places to visit and all)
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