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Bored? New?

Any of you devs, G1 users ever get bored of the ROMS ran sometimes? I mean yeah I get excited when cyan posts a new rom, etc.. But wouldn't you want to see something NEW? Not hero.. not cupcake, anything? lol any devs thought about making there OWN rom?

I think devs have a handful working off of cupcake and hero roms already but making their own roms? That's basically what they're doing and I'm sure it would be a lot more work =P But maybe someone is brave enough!

I mean make there own ROM.
Like theres
Cupcake
Donut
Hero
Ophone (in dev.)
why not create there own?
Not "Modify/improve"

The problem is, though... any of these new "cool" apps that would set apart one ROM from another would simply get uploaded to the market. What really sets Hero apart from the others is that it is simply a bunch of extra apps pre-installed onto Android 1.5 with a few tweaks here and there to make it work. (The boot screen is the first thing that comes to mind with me. ) If it wasn't designed to be so hardware dependent (and even so, it's not all that hardware dependent other than the needy RAM requirements.), or was more modular (not requiring anything other than it's own code), they could technically have it downloadable via The Market. So really, the ROM development we're seeing is probably gonna be as about as cool as it gets. I'd like to see the devs joining forces and putting out ultra-lightweight, high-speed, highly usable, and feature rich app packages (e.g. the updated launcher minus the development bugs lol) that only those as smart as us would be able to install. That would be cool.

Well they all need a place to build off of and that's where cupcake comes in...You can't create a totally *new* ROM, well you can but the amount of work and time that takes is probably unimaginable.

G1-evolve said:
I mean make there own ROM.
Like theres
Cupcake
Donut
Hero
Ophone (in dev.)
why not create there own?
Not "Modify/improve"
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no offense...but I don't think you understand what you're asking for.
the state of android as it is today is the result of millions of man hours from hundreds (if not thousands) of developers.
if someone created their "own" rom, it wouldn't be android any longer.
further, the linux kernel code is the result of decades of progress

Confused on which rom to follow.

Now that the whole Cyanogen deal happened I've been having a hard time finding the perfect donut release to follow. Any suggestions? Also what would you guys say to be the most stable Hero to be used day to day at this current time?

This is in the wrong section, but I use KingxKxKlick 1.9

Wrong section....
Yes, this definitely in the wrong section, check out Q&A instead. Soon a mod will fix this, but keep it up, and you'll be temp banned.
That said, CyanMod is still an excellent, stable, fast Donut build. If you're looking to try Hero, I have used about a dozen, and Kingklick's is easily the best, and since about 1.7 has been completely stable--no swap partition or cpu overclocking needed, and it's still so fast it's just disgusting.

Cyanogen is still actively developing his ROM. I would suggest following him on twitter.. @cyanogen

I would suggest that you just keep using Cyanogen. If you have too much trouble installing, just install this version. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=569825
In theory, once installed, you can just install Cyan's official updates when he releases them.

With Hero ROMs, I found that in EVERY Hero release people claim its THE best Hero ROM available, so you gonna have to do some flashing to find out for yourself.
Now I use Hero3G UNI, others swear by Evil Hero 3.0 and MLIGN-HeroV2.5.5. These 3 ROM will need different and most likely customized user.conf settings. For Hero3G I found 196 swap w/100 swappiness and CC OFF works best. For Evil Hero you also need 196 swap partition.

kolyan said:
With Hero ROMs, I found that in EVERY Hero release people claim its THE best Hero ROM available, so you gonna have to do some flashing to find out for yourself.
Now I use Hero3G UNI, others swear by Evil Hero 3.0 and MLIGN-HeroV2.5.5
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There are some that are good, but some are the best. It all depends on how it runs on your device and how you config the user.conf.

Just remember, even with Donut, Hero ROMs have a lot of bells and whistles, but still lack core function like BT or Google Voice Support.
Cyan is my recommendation, and cyan is hinting at a very very soon update.
If you want to play with a new toy, try Motoblur, just be aware it lacks wifi.

it all depends on you. right now we have 3 working roms not including the pulse rom.
original android by cyanogen, [everything works]
hero by about 8 people (htcs own google ui), [bluetooth doesnt work, also im noticing flash doesnt either.]
blur [stable but slow, but good for social networks, no wifi]
just download the 3 different roms and test em out, dont just test one hero rom tho test em all and find what you like. but please do post in the q&a.

Wii60 said:
Just remember, even with Donut, Hero ROMs have a lot of bells and whistles, but still lack core function like BT or Google Voice Support.
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Google Voice works fine for me on KingKlick's 1.9...
Also, some other Hero threads claim to have bluetooth working, but I have tried them and keep going back to KingKlick because they are all too slow.
I also wouldn't recommend MotoBLUR yet, unless you are very experienced and want to help the devs. It's still waaay experimental, way more than just wifi doesn't work.
But all the Hero/Blur/experimental stuff aside, if you just want a good, stable, feature-rich, fast ROM, stick with Cyanogen. Hate to be so blunt, but he is simply the best.

carnegie0107 said:
Google Voice works fine for me on KingKlick's 1.9...
Also, some other Hero threads claim to have bluetooth working, but I have tried them and keep going back to KingKlick because they are all too slow.
I also wouldn't recommend MotoBLUR yet, unless you are very experienced and want to help the devs. It's still waaay experimental, way more than just wifi doesn't work.
But all the Hero/Blur/experimental stuff aside, if you just want a good, stable, feature-rich, fast ROM, stick with Cyanogen. Hate to be so blunt, but he is simply the best.
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Oh Nice! You can use it with the normal dialer? Not through contacts?

i've been using enomther's donut rom. seems to be working very nicely. haven't used cyan's 'newest' rom because he kept saying 4.2 was around the corner and I kept waiting. Last week also said he had some updates for the .999 build and was going to add another 9, but never released it. Also enom's rom has a hero theme addon for his latest release. Whereas nabzilla is also waiting on cyan's 4.2 to release an updated theme for that.

carnegie0107 said:
Yes, this definitely in the wrong section, check out Q&A instead. Soon a mod will fix this, but keep it up, and you'll be temp banned.
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Dude why u being an ass u r not a moder to treat some1 with perm ban, I think they can deal with this with out.
But yea Cyans roms r good but its been running kinda slow for me so I started flashing
hero roms I tried a few and so far Mlign's worked the best for me. its something u have to find out for urself

Rosie/Sense UI

Probably like many others of you here with android phones, I can from using WinMo phones and that is my main experience with samrtphones/pdas. On the WinMo phones you are able to install or Cook different UIs on top of windows. What I am trying to understand is why there is not a standalone version of HTC Rosie/Sense UI. Is it so integrated that you cannont remove it. Seems to me like if you could, it would be easier to get BT working on the ROMs with rosie.

No one has an answer?

I thought someone answered this question the other day.
Short answer Yes, it is very integrated into the closed source HTC framework.

If it was possible don't you think someone would have done it by now? ;-)

You end up with a hero rom once your done porting it xD

AdrianK said:
If it was possible don't you think someone would have done it by now? ;-)
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I figured that, but I'm just trying to understand better. Just wanted to know.

raptoro07 said:
I figured that, but I'm just trying to understand better. Just wanted to know.
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Yeah that's fair, sorry iff I sounded like an 4$$, couldn't help myself...

That's cool. I'm not such a noob, but trying to get a better understanding of things. Don't want to play around with stuff I know nothing about like some of the people I see posting problems on here.
Thanks

dont bother any way i tried installing the rosie.apk onto vanilla 1.6 and nothing even happen.

Ace42 said:
dont bother any way i tried installing the rosie.apk onto vanilla 1.6 and nothing even happen.
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Haha, well no it wouldn't work, it's tied in to the HTC frameworks. Not to mention that each touchflo widget has it's own apk.

AdrianK said:
Haha, well no it wouldn't work, it's tied in to the HTC frameworks. Not to mention that each touchflo widget has it's own apk.
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This is true for WinMo as well... in order to get TouchFlo working on a WinMo phone, you had to install the HTC Framework, then the TouchFlo. It worked better, of course, if it was cooked in, and IIRC(haven't followed close enough to be 100%) the newest TouchFlo has to be cooked into the ROM just like with SenseUI.
With how indepth the HTC SenseUI goes, there is a lot more to it... framework is WAY different than stock Android, is folders are moved all around, and it isn't as simple as adding in the framework, the HTC framework really is a complete OS, and not just a program on top of the OS.

pjcforpres said:
This is true for WinMo as well... in order to get TouchFlo working on a WinMo phone, you had to install the HTC Framework, then the TouchFlo. It worked better, of course, if it was cooked in, and IIRC(haven't followed close enough to be 100%) the newest TouchFlo has to be cooked into the ROM just like with SenseUI.
With how indepth the HTC SenseUI goes, there is a lot more to it... framework is WAY different than stock Android, is folders are moved all around, and it isn't as simple as adding in the framework, the HTC framework really is a complete OS, and not just a program on top of the OS.
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Agreed. The framework is so massive, even if we could push the whole thing there wouldn't really be much point. BT would work - in theory - but the UI would still be trying to utilize more RAM than is available.

N00b question

I have my HTC Vogue Touch flashed to android... Just foud out I have a free upgrade from Sprint and thinking about the HTC Hero..
doing some research before I get it as I love customizing this stuff and there looks to be plenty of ROMs here...
my first question being: aside from apps2sd what is the main reason for booting these ROMs? It even looks like the camera doesn't work in many of them. (which surprised me considering the phone is droid - stock)..
second question: I can see the rooting guides but not how to flash the HERo to any of these ROMs.. or am I missing something here?
Thanks..

Sputnikk23 said:
I have my HTC Vogue Touch flashed to android... Just foud out I have a free upgrade from Sprint and thinking about the HTC Hero..
doing some research before I get it as I love customizing this stuff and there looks to be plenty of ROMs here...
my first question being: aside from apps2sd what is the main reason for booting these ROMs? It even looks like the camera doesn't work in many of them. (which surprised me considering the phone is droid - stock)..
second question: I can see the rooting guides but not how to flash the HERo to any of these ROMs.. or am I missing something here?
Thanks..
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get the evo or wait for the galaxy s pro

The Hero is still a worthy phone.

thanks for the advice..
an explanation as to why would be nice
and an answer to my other inquiries as well if possible..

i do love my hero but if i had an upgrade right now i wouldnt go to a "last gen" phone
evo is a step up from the hero in every spec and is 4G!!!!!
the samsung galaxy will be very comparable to the evo but seems a little faster on the processing side
most of these roms are 2.1 which is complete exept for a couple bugs here and there. The roms that are dev'ing are the 2.2 roms which needs to be made from the ground up.

Sputnikk23 said:
I have my HTC Vogue Touch flashed to android... Just foud out I have a free upgrade from Sprint and thinking about the HTC Hero..
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sweet good for you!
doing some research before I get it as I love customizing this stuff and there looks to be plenty of ROMs here...
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we do have a ton of roms...
my first question being: aside from apps2sd what is the main reason for booting these ROMs? It even looks like the camera doesn't work in many of them. (which surprised me considering the phone is droid - stock)..
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the custom roms are faster/better than the sprint rom.
the camera works in all the roms as far as i know? there was a time when the camera didn't work because HTC were being Dbags and withholding the kernel source, but toast solved that problem. the only rom atm without camera AFAIK is the froyo dev build.
second question: I can see the rooting guides but not how to flash the HERo to any of these ROMs.. or am I missing something here?
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once you root if you use the guides then they will show you how to flash a updated/custom recovery. then flashing roms is easy. boot into recovery and choose
Code:
flash update.zip
BOOM isn't that easy.
Thanks..
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welcome.

Sputnikk23 said:
I have my HTC Vogue Touch flashed to android... Just foud out I have a free upgrade from Sprint and thinking about the HTC Hero..
doing some research before I get it as I love customizing this stuff and there looks to be plenty of ROMs here...
my first question being: aside from apps2sd what is the main reason for booting these ROMs? It even looks like the camera doesn't work in many of them. (which surprised me considering the phone is droid - stock)..
second question: I can see the rooting guides but not how to flash the HERo to any of these ROMs.. or am I missing something here?
Thanks..
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question 1. besides apps2sd the main reason for booting roms is looks and customization in my oppinion. you can change around the keyboard the lock screen the menu options even remove the terrible bloatware included on the phone. plus an upside is speed - remove the files eating all your battery life and take that battery life and put it to overclocking the cpu.
as for the camera i don't know what you are talking about. almost every rom i've installed has the camera working correctly. sometimes a file is removed to make the phone run faster and the camera doesn't work but most of the times the camera is fixed pretty fast.
question 2. rooting your phone gives you access to files on your phone otherwise not able to delete. i.e. bloatware. by rooting your phone you can remove these files or adjust them how you want. now the ROM is a customization of android x.x that you flash to your hero that otherpeople have customized themselves. like removing the bloatware for you or using a custom kernel to make your phone run faster. or just changing around the entire look of android.
The Hero is a fantastic phone and can do many things. i would say upgrade and don't look back. but if you want a snapdragon CPU get the Evo. which is also an awesome phone. (but quite a bit more expensive)

lv2bll said:
get the evo or wait for the galaxy s pro
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totally ignore the last part. Samsung is terrible also am I crazy or doesn't need to be in a different section?

I see someone else posted about the camera..
Every single current rom we have, has a working camera. Aside from froyo 2.2, that hasnt been publicly released yet (it will soon though).
And rom currently up-to-date within the past month, should have everything working. You might run in to a few bugs, but most are user errors or can be simply fixed.
The hero is still a great phone with many months left in it. The Evo though is still the #1 choice, and i would get one if i could.
And person above me.. No you are not crazy. Should be in general section or Q & A

lv2bll said:
get the evo or wait for the galaxy s pro
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vetvito said:
The Hero is still a worthy phone.
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both of these statements are completely true.
the Hero is actually quite awesome, lots of potential in it still, and my guess is the 2.2 will run on it just swimmingly.
that being said... if you can get one cheap, do it! But frankly, if you have upgrade credit coming to you, use it on a newer gen phone... or I would anyway. sadly, there will be less ROMs/mods/community/whathaveyou for it, balanced by a sense of adventure exploring new territory with other ROMflash addicts and ROMcookers!

thatguythatdid said:
totally ignore the last part. Samsung is terrible also am I crazy or doesn't need to be in a different section?
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ya know what? your right!

Hero's a great phone.
Unbeatable combination of style, size, power, and functionality.
EVO's only better if you have no aesthetic considerations to ahm... consider.

thedudejdog said:
sweet good for you!
once you root if you use the guides then they will show you how to flash a updated/custom recovery. then flashing roms is easy. boot into recovery and choose
Code:
flash update.zip
BOOM isn't that easy.
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still a bit confused. probably will make more sense once I get the phone.
for instance i'm looking at this guide: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583291
point me to another one if there is something better...
I assume I put the ROMs on the SD card (andboot folder maybe? thats what it was on my vogue) and going into recovery console to select the "flash update.zip" will wipe the phone and install the custom ROM?
also, where can I gain clarification on these new acronyms to me such as JIT?
I'm sure I'll figure it out eventually.. Afterall, I am a certified MS Server Admin and CCNA network admin.. hhaha
thanks for your help. great community here. hopefully i'll be sticking around.

Sputnikk23 said:
still a bit confused. probably will make more sense once I get the phone.
for instance i'm looking at this guide: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583291
point me to another one if there is something better...
I assume I put the ROMs on the SD card (andboot folder maybe? thats what it was on my vogue) and going into recovery console to select the "flash update.zip" will wipe the phone and install the custom ROM?
also, where can I gain clarification on these new acronyms to me such as JIT?
I'm sure I'll figure it out eventually.. Afterall, I am a certified MS Server Admin and CCNA network admin.. hhaha
thanks for your help. great community here. hopefully i'll be sticking around.
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that guide is old.
THIS ONE
will work for 2.1 which is what the hero has now.
you can google JIT. google google google. all the questions have been answered at some point or another, its better to read someone's post than make a new post about the same thing thousands of other people have already asked about.

Ok found it. At first all I got were links to roms with JIT on it.
So after rooting, I basically get back into the recovery console and select flash from zip sdcard? Heck of alot easier than the Vogue I tell you that...
Thanks for the link
Another edit: Do the custom roms have multiple home page screens you can scroll to? On my vogue 1.6 droid I have like 5 home screens I can put shortcuts on. I just watched a HTC hero video on sprint and on the customizing video it didn't look like that was there.

I'm not saying the Hero isn't a good phone.. I'm saying if you have an upgrade, get the Evo or you'll be upset later. The phone is so much faster... 4g.. double cameras..big screen...
Bad better life, and it's a brick. I wouldn't use an upgrade on an old gen phone.
I just become a Sprint Preferred or whatever.. by having a plan over $70 and paying on time for 6 months.. I get my free upgrade in February. I definitely won't even consider the Evo.. I'll be looking at the next big thing.

Sputnikk23 said:
Ok found it. At first all I got were links to roms with JIT on it.
So after rooting, I basically get back into the recovery console and select flash from zip sdcard? Heck of alot easier than the Vogue I tell you that...
Thanks for the link
Another edit: Do the custom roms have multiple home page screens you can scroll to? On my vogue 1.6 droid I have like 5 home screens I can put shortcuts on. I just watched a HTC hero video on sprint and on the customizing video it didn't look like that was there.
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there are 7 screens you can put apps and widgets on. 1 home then 3 to the left and right.

Remember the movie Mad Max? Or was it the Road Warrior? It doesn't matter. The quote is still valid.
Speed is a question of money. How fast can you afford to go?
If you can afford it, get the Evo. If you want a cheaper, yet still awe phone, get the Hero. Then use your savings for a bigger SDHC card and Bluetooth headphones and other coolness.

I agree that the phone has a lot left in it, but a lot of devs from several phones have jumped shipped to the Evo. I'm sticking with my Hero for another year atleast, unless a real good deal comes up.
If you want to save money I would get ther Hero as it it a lot cheaper than the Evo and you will also save the $10 extra a month. That and the Evo is too damn big. To me it was uncomfortable to hold and use with one hand.
Not only can you flash /install new roms, but with a little research you can mod the rom your self and theme it how you want. Also wireless tether is awesome and the Overclocking and Undervolting is making the phone better and faster.

Ok so I spent a few days trolling.
Looks like I'm going to have to flash the old RUU since I did the 2.1 update, then follow guide, then the custom ROM.
Question though, I'm stuck on picking one: Some are very nicely featured but I don't like the default look on any of them or the themes available in a 2nd/3rd post of the ROMs thread; generically speaking, is any themes compatible with any ROM? For instance, the Cyanogen mods you can Google to dark corners of the internet...

HTC People App in Vanilla Rom

Is it possible to put the HTC People app and some of the other apps like the HTC Dialer and the HTC Calender in a Vanilla Rom. The HTC Calculator app was easy to put in. All I had to do was to move over the apk. The other HTC apps seem to be a little harder. What files do I need to move over sot the People app works in a Vanilla Rom. By the way, the rom is a 2.2 Rom for the HTC Hero. If I can get the HTC apps to work, I might end up making a 2.2 Vanilla Rom that people can download that has the HTC apps.

Obviously you're talking of Darch's AOSP 2.2 ROM. None of the HTC apps can run w/o the HTC framework. So, the answer to your question is no. However, download the app 'Dialer One'.. It's somewhat like HTC's dialer.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=650
start there

Mdawg's Ic3Rom is a vanilla/AOSP ROM that has a couple Sense items in it, like the People and Dialer. Really it's an HTC/Sprint-based ROM that has most of the HTC Sense stuff stripped out. But some of HTC is still there. It is no longer under development though, so the latest version listed there is the last one.
I liked this ROM and used it for a while as my daily (version 2.8).
Here's the thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=663366
One final side note: Please post questions like this in the appropriate forum from now on. Since it was a question and had little or nothing to do with ROM development, this one probably should have gone in "Q&A". Thanks.
Let me know if you try out Ic3Rom and if so, how you like it. I'd be happy to answer other questions you may have about it.

What about taking some of the HTC frameworks and moving them to the Vanilla ROM? Or what about combining the frameworks with the Vanilla frameworks?

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Obviously you're talking of Darch's AOSP 2.2 ROM. None of the HTC apps can run w/o the HTC framework. So, the answer to your question is no. However, download the app 'Dialer One'.. It's somewhat like HTC's dialer.
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Where did he say Darch's AOSP Rom??? There are 3-4 good/decent Vanilla Rom's here. Yes, they will work if you move everything in the framework folder that says htc in it. However, like Mrcharlesiv said though, i don't think it will work with Darch's even doing it. Also, one more note, if your ROM is JIT enabled htc sense doesn't mix with JIT.
One final note: what's with all the thread Nazi's? Just sayin...

Moved as not Development.

Doesn't everything but HTC Sense launcher and the HTC Lockscreen work with JIT?