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Possible Stupid Question About Titanium

I'm going to ask what is probably a VERY ridiculous question and I apologize. I've been busy tweaking Home 2 so much that I've apparently missed the boat on the WM 6.5 stuff.
All of it looks great. Phenomenal job everyone. But (and here's the stupid question), how do you even get started with this UI people are obsessing on? I have a Kaiser. There are a couple of cooked ROMs using it, I know. But, let's say, I want to use a ROM where it's NOT cooked in already, is there a way to use, say, PDACorner's ROM with Titanium. I can't find a simple cab install anywhere.
Just curious. Thanks.
Eric

And one other thing
I did try a ROM with it built in, but instructions for adding applets is rather vague. Simply installing doesn't seem to do the trick and plug-in installer wasn't working. Some help there would be nice too.

oscarbum said:
I'm going to ask what is probably a VERY ridiculous question and I apologize. I've been busy tweaking Home 2 so much that I've apparently missed the boat on the WM 6.5 stuff.
All of it looks great. Phenomenal job everyone. But (and here's the stupid question), how do you even get started with this UI people are obsessing on? I have a Kaiser. There are a couple of cooked ROMs using it, I know. But, let's say, I want to use a ROM where it's NOT cooked in already, is there a way to use, say, PDACorner's ROM with Titanium. I can't find a simple cab install anywhere.
Just curious. Thanks.
Eric
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It is part of Windows Mobile 6.5 , and since WM 6.5 has not been officially released for use yet, the only place you will find Titanium is in cooked roms based on leaked builds. MS will also never release it as an add on cab.
There are many threads currently going on how to edit the cpr files add plugins.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=504324
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=506787

Thank you for responding. I've tried a couple of ROMs where it was already cooked in, but they were pretty slow and never felt all that stable. Hence, the question about a cabbed version to use in an already trustworthy ROM.
I had previously gone through both of those threads, but they seem to be more about skinning and developing new plug-ins than on how exactly to install them.
Either way, it seems that WM 6.5, for now, is much like the Android for Kaiser thread in that if you aren't following constantly, it'll slip right past you and take forever to catch up.
Thanks for your help.
EDIT: Somehow I missed the word "beta".

anybody have the music app from the hero build?

I love the look and feel of the hero build, but it's just too slow for me right now. The one thing I really did enjoy was the updated music player.
Does anybody have this, or know how to extract it from one of the hero roms? Is it not possible because of system files that don't exist in cupcake builds?
thanks a ton
-steve

InGeNeTiCs said:
I love the look and feel of the hero build, but it's just too slow for me right now. The one thing I really did enjoy was the updated music player.
Does anybody have this, or know how to extract it from one of the hero roms? Is it not possible because of system files that don't exist in cupcake builds?
thanks a ton
-steve
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Just download one of the Hero builds and pull the HtcMusic.apk from it and install it. I don't know if it is tied into HTC framework though so please post your results for others. I agree with you though the the HTC music app is worlds better than the stock android choice.

I'll give it a go. Thanks!

Ok, so I pulled the htcmusic.apk from a hero build, but it says that it can't be installed. Is there something special I have to do to get it to install properly? or is it just not going to work?

Sorry, it's just not going work. There are other files in the framework the Music application relies on that simply aren't in any other builds but the Hero build.

SolemnWishing said:
Sorry, it's just not going work. There are other files in the framework the Music application relies on that simply aren't in any other builds but the Hero build.
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What files are those? We can either severe those ties or place them in existing builds where it doesn't overlap/interfere with the build's framework.

Yeah, that was what I was thinking. According to a bunch of people though, if you do that, many times you'll probably end up with a build just as slow and unstable as Hero but without the other cool, updated apps like Browser and Calendar...

Yeah that was the general consensus I gathered too. No point modding another rom to use HTC Hero apps due to the amount of modding needed

Exactly, by the time you've moved all the frameworks necessary over to a non-hero ROM you basically have hero

i heard that Stericson was able to succesfully port the HTC music player over to jf1.5... hopefully he will tell us how to do it.... =D

It's not really a pressing issue I suppose. I just figured I'd give it a go and see if it worked. I'll just have to wait for a stable, fully functional(very important) hero rom.
If there's no development on this, mods may as well lock this thread. No sense in cluttering the forums.

N00b question

I have my HTC Vogue Touch flashed to android... Just foud out I have a free upgrade from Sprint and thinking about the HTC Hero..
doing some research before I get it as I love customizing this stuff and there looks to be plenty of ROMs here...
my first question being: aside from apps2sd what is the main reason for booting these ROMs? It even looks like the camera doesn't work in many of them. (which surprised me considering the phone is droid - stock)..
second question: I can see the rooting guides but not how to flash the HERo to any of these ROMs.. or am I missing something here?
Thanks..

Sputnikk23 said:
I have my HTC Vogue Touch flashed to android... Just foud out I have a free upgrade from Sprint and thinking about the HTC Hero..
doing some research before I get it as I love customizing this stuff and there looks to be plenty of ROMs here...
my first question being: aside from apps2sd what is the main reason for booting these ROMs? It even looks like the camera doesn't work in many of them. (which surprised me considering the phone is droid - stock)..
second question: I can see the rooting guides but not how to flash the HERo to any of these ROMs.. or am I missing something here?
Thanks..
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get the evo or wait for the galaxy s pro

The Hero is still a worthy phone.

thanks for the advice..
an explanation as to why would be nice
and an answer to my other inquiries as well if possible..

i do love my hero but if i had an upgrade right now i wouldnt go to a "last gen" phone
evo is a step up from the hero in every spec and is 4G!!!!!
the samsung galaxy will be very comparable to the evo but seems a little faster on the processing side
most of these roms are 2.1 which is complete exept for a couple bugs here and there. The roms that are dev'ing are the 2.2 roms which needs to be made from the ground up.

Sputnikk23 said:
I have my HTC Vogue Touch flashed to android... Just foud out I have a free upgrade from Sprint and thinking about the HTC Hero..
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sweet good for you!
doing some research before I get it as I love customizing this stuff and there looks to be plenty of ROMs here...
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we do have a ton of roms...
my first question being: aside from apps2sd what is the main reason for booting these ROMs? It even looks like the camera doesn't work in many of them. (which surprised me considering the phone is droid - stock)..
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the custom roms are faster/better than the sprint rom.
the camera works in all the roms as far as i know? there was a time when the camera didn't work because HTC were being Dbags and withholding the kernel source, but toast solved that problem. the only rom atm without camera AFAIK is the froyo dev build.
second question: I can see the rooting guides but not how to flash the HERo to any of these ROMs.. or am I missing something here?
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once you root if you use the guides then they will show you how to flash a updated/custom recovery. then flashing roms is easy. boot into recovery and choose
Code:
flash update.zip
BOOM isn't that easy.
Thanks..
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welcome.

Sputnikk23 said:
I have my HTC Vogue Touch flashed to android... Just foud out I have a free upgrade from Sprint and thinking about the HTC Hero..
doing some research before I get it as I love customizing this stuff and there looks to be plenty of ROMs here...
my first question being: aside from apps2sd what is the main reason for booting these ROMs? It even looks like the camera doesn't work in many of them. (which surprised me considering the phone is droid - stock)..
second question: I can see the rooting guides but not how to flash the HERo to any of these ROMs.. or am I missing something here?
Thanks..
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question 1. besides apps2sd the main reason for booting roms is looks and customization in my oppinion. you can change around the keyboard the lock screen the menu options even remove the terrible bloatware included on the phone. plus an upside is speed - remove the files eating all your battery life and take that battery life and put it to overclocking the cpu.
as for the camera i don't know what you are talking about. almost every rom i've installed has the camera working correctly. sometimes a file is removed to make the phone run faster and the camera doesn't work but most of the times the camera is fixed pretty fast.
question 2. rooting your phone gives you access to files on your phone otherwise not able to delete. i.e. bloatware. by rooting your phone you can remove these files or adjust them how you want. now the ROM is a customization of android x.x that you flash to your hero that otherpeople have customized themselves. like removing the bloatware for you or using a custom kernel to make your phone run faster. or just changing around the entire look of android.
The Hero is a fantastic phone and can do many things. i would say upgrade and don't look back. but if you want a snapdragon CPU get the Evo. which is also an awesome phone. (but quite a bit more expensive)

lv2bll said:
get the evo or wait for the galaxy s pro
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totally ignore the last part. Samsung is terrible also am I crazy or doesn't need to be in a different section?

I see someone else posted about the camera..
Every single current rom we have, has a working camera. Aside from froyo 2.2, that hasnt been publicly released yet (it will soon though).
And rom currently up-to-date within the past month, should have everything working. You might run in to a few bugs, but most are user errors or can be simply fixed.
The hero is still a great phone with many months left in it. The Evo though is still the #1 choice, and i would get one if i could.
And person above me.. No you are not crazy. Should be in general section or Q & A

lv2bll said:
get the evo or wait for the galaxy s pro
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vetvito said:
The Hero is still a worthy phone.
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both of these statements are completely true.
the Hero is actually quite awesome, lots of potential in it still, and my guess is the 2.2 will run on it just swimmingly.
that being said... if you can get one cheap, do it! But frankly, if you have upgrade credit coming to you, use it on a newer gen phone... or I would anyway. sadly, there will be less ROMs/mods/community/whathaveyou for it, balanced by a sense of adventure exploring new territory with other ROMflash addicts and ROMcookers!

thatguythatdid said:
totally ignore the last part. Samsung is terrible also am I crazy or doesn't need to be in a different section?
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ya know what? your right!

Hero's a great phone.
Unbeatable combination of style, size, power, and functionality.
EVO's only better if you have no aesthetic considerations to ahm... consider.

thedudejdog said:
sweet good for you!
once you root if you use the guides then they will show you how to flash a updated/custom recovery. then flashing roms is easy. boot into recovery and choose
Code:
flash update.zip
BOOM isn't that easy.
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still a bit confused. probably will make more sense once I get the phone.
for instance i'm looking at this guide: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583291
point me to another one if there is something better...
I assume I put the ROMs on the SD card (andboot folder maybe? thats what it was on my vogue) and going into recovery console to select the "flash update.zip" will wipe the phone and install the custom ROM?
also, where can I gain clarification on these new acronyms to me such as JIT?
I'm sure I'll figure it out eventually.. Afterall, I am a certified MS Server Admin and CCNA network admin.. hhaha
thanks for your help. great community here. hopefully i'll be sticking around.

Sputnikk23 said:
still a bit confused. probably will make more sense once I get the phone.
for instance i'm looking at this guide: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583291
point me to another one if there is something better...
I assume I put the ROMs on the SD card (andboot folder maybe? thats what it was on my vogue) and going into recovery console to select the "flash update.zip" will wipe the phone and install the custom ROM?
also, where can I gain clarification on these new acronyms to me such as JIT?
I'm sure I'll figure it out eventually.. Afterall, I am a certified MS Server Admin and CCNA network admin.. hhaha
thanks for your help. great community here. hopefully i'll be sticking around.
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that guide is old.
THIS ONE
will work for 2.1 which is what the hero has now.
you can google JIT. google google google. all the questions have been answered at some point or another, its better to read someone's post than make a new post about the same thing thousands of other people have already asked about.

Ok found it. At first all I got were links to roms with JIT on it.
So after rooting, I basically get back into the recovery console and select flash from zip sdcard? Heck of alot easier than the Vogue I tell you that...
Thanks for the link
Another edit: Do the custom roms have multiple home page screens you can scroll to? On my vogue 1.6 droid I have like 5 home screens I can put shortcuts on. I just watched a HTC hero video on sprint and on the customizing video it didn't look like that was there.

I'm not saying the Hero isn't a good phone.. I'm saying if you have an upgrade, get the Evo or you'll be upset later. The phone is so much faster... 4g.. double cameras..big screen...
Bad better life, and it's a brick. I wouldn't use an upgrade on an old gen phone.
I just become a Sprint Preferred or whatever.. by having a plan over $70 and paying on time for 6 months.. I get my free upgrade in February. I definitely won't even consider the Evo.. I'll be looking at the next big thing.

Sputnikk23 said:
Ok found it. At first all I got were links to roms with JIT on it.
So after rooting, I basically get back into the recovery console and select flash from zip sdcard? Heck of alot easier than the Vogue I tell you that...
Thanks for the link
Another edit: Do the custom roms have multiple home page screens you can scroll to? On my vogue 1.6 droid I have like 5 home screens I can put shortcuts on. I just watched a HTC hero video on sprint and on the customizing video it didn't look like that was there.
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there are 7 screens you can put apps and widgets on. 1 home then 3 to the left and right.

Remember the movie Mad Max? Or was it the Road Warrior? It doesn't matter. The quote is still valid.
Speed is a question of money. How fast can you afford to go?
If you can afford it, get the Evo. If you want a cheaper, yet still awe phone, get the Hero. Then use your savings for a bigger SDHC card and Bluetooth headphones and other coolness.

I agree that the phone has a lot left in it, but a lot of devs from several phones have jumped shipped to the Evo. I'm sticking with my Hero for another year atleast, unless a real good deal comes up.
If you want to save money I would get ther Hero as it it a lot cheaper than the Evo and you will also save the $10 extra a month. That and the Evo is too damn big. To me it was uncomfortable to hold and use with one hand.
Not only can you flash /install new roms, but with a little research you can mod the rom your self and theme it how you want. Also wireless tether is awesome and the Overclocking and Undervolting is making the phone better and faster.

Ok so I spent a few days trolling.
Looks like I'm going to have to flash the old RUU since I did the 2.1 update, then follow guide, then the custom ROM.
Question though, I'm stuck on picking one: Some are very nicely featured but I don't like the default look on any of them or the themes available in a 2nd/3rd post of the ROMs thread; generically speaking, is any themes compatible with any ROM? For instance, the Cyanogen mods you can Google to dark corners of the internet...

[Q] Sense 2.2 Rom

with the release of froyostone rom for the hd2 which is sense + 2.2 officially from htc, I believe it would be much easier to port sense to the captivate and completely remove touchwiz.

First your posting in the wrong captivate forum section...second the Android os isn't something that can be magically ported to XX device just because XXX device has it or its working on it, for starters the hd2 is a non native android device, which means its running an android port, with the help of a half working linux kernel, loaded with haret bootloader, android 2.2 is coming in September so just sit tight and be patient, or you can download CM6 vibrant source and port it over to the captivate(you would have to make the captivates kernel compatible with 2.2, meaning backporting/patching etc) which ever you like.
Rafyvitto

Yeah it ought to be about as easy as loading OS X on a Commodore 64.

gunnyman said:
Yeah it ought to be about as easy as loading OS X on a Commodore 64.
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Well, maybe Steve can call Xerox for some help with that...

dressanderc said:
Well, maybe Steve can call Xerox for some help with that...
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I LOL'ed +tenchars

gunnyman said:
Yeah it ought to be about as easy as loading OS X on a Commodore 64.
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Well, maybe Steve can call Xerox for some help with that...
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ROFL thats some good stuff guys.

who wants sense anyways, it's just a big shiney TURD!

designgears said:
who wants sense anyways, it's just a big shiney TURD!
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+1
where's some good ol' fashioned AOSP when you need it?
*hint hint* DG *hint*

Personally, I cant wait till all manufacturers realize we don't want to be forced into sense, touch wiz etc.
Make it default if you have to, but provide an option to enjoy raw, unadulterated android!!!

I guess we wait and see what Gingerbread does about that.

To the OP, why don't YOU port Android 2.2 to the Captivate AND also port Sense??
Joking aside I am going to be cooking for the Captivate soon. I'm just waiting for Froyo so I can get my hands dirty with Android .
Maybe even a Sense port??

I've been working on porting sense to our the device for some weeks now but roms fail to boot, changing libs etc, got no clue of what else to try.

Sense is so deeply entangled into Android, kinda like trying to remove Internet Explorer from Windows 95, It is virtually impossible to get it working without all the kernel extensions HTC added to the OS.

gunnyman said:
Sense is so deeply entangled into Android, kinda like trying to remove Internet Explorer from Windows 95, It is virtually impossible to get it working without all the kernel extensions HTC added to the OS.
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Just a historical footnote. Internet explorer was very easy to remove from windows 95. The original release of win95 didn't even include internet explorer. It was only available as part of the plus! Pack of addons. The SR1 release had IE v2 included but it could be easily deleted. It wasn't until IE 4 that active desktop became a part of the package and began making it difficult to seperate from the OS. IE 4 came sr2.5 but was an optional upgrade for most win95 instalations.
But i knew what you meant.
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jaredc74 said:
Just a historical footnote. Internet explorer was very easy to remove from windows 95. The original release of win95 didn't even include internet explorer. It was only available as part of the plus! Pack of addons. The SR1 release had IE v2 included but it could be easily deleted. It wasn't until IE 4 that active desktop became a part of the package and began making it difficult to seperate from the OS. IE 4 came sr2.5 but was an optional upgrade for most win95 instalations.
But i knew what you meant.
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haha, I was literally going to add almost exactly this.
Sense seems only to be portable to devices that can run off of HTC-based ROMs. It seems to be much easier to remove it than to try and bring it over (I haven't heard of it being brought to a device that wasn't HTC based). The widgets haven't even been ported to the best of my knowledge to work on non-Sense launchers. And, as proven by our phones, they could have made Sense even MORE integrated considering removing touchwiz launcher causes massive force closes. Also, Sense is proprietary and cosed source, so we don't have any low-level access to remove the HTC restrictions (short of binary hacking, which I know nothing about and could indeed be wrong about)

Kaik541 said:
haha, I was literally going to add almost exactly this.
Sense seems only to be portable to devices that can run off of HTC-based ROMs. It seems to be much easier to remove it than to try and bring it over (I haven't heard of it being brought to a device that wasn't HTC based). The widgets haven't even been ported to the best of my knowledge to work on non-Sense launchers. And, as proven by our phones, they could have made Sense even MORE integrated considering removing touchwiz launcher causes massive force closes. Also, Sense is proprietary and cosed source, so we don't have any low-level access to remove the HTC restrictions (short of binary hacking, which I know nothing about and could indeed be wrong about)
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Well how the huck did they get Sense on the HD2?? It doesn't even come with android from factory! We need someone to shed a little more light in this. Maybe its because they use some Qualcomm specific images or something.
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I've been working on porting sense to our the device for some weeks now but roms fail to boot, changing libs etc, got no clue of what else to try.
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You got a PM

DJGonzo said:
Well how the huck did they get Sense on the HD2?? It doesn't even come with android from factory! We need someone to shed a little more light in this. Maybe its because they use some Qualcomm specific images or something.
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notice how I said I can't see it being ported to a non-HTC device. The HD2 is indeed an HTC device and I believe the ROM that has Sense is one built off of an HTC ROM for another device. Much like how the Legend ROMs were able to be fairly easily/quickly ported to the Aria. In fact, many of the internals of the HD2 resemble a lot of the Android hardware produced by HTC (qualcomm snapdragon and all that good stuff I believe)... the difficulty of getting android on that device had nothing to do with the ROMs, but actually getting haret to boot a linux kernel properly.

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notice how I said I can't see it being ported to a non-HTC device. The HD2 is indeed an HTC device and I believe the ROM that has Sense is one built off of an HTC ROM for another device. Much like how the Legend ROMs were able to be fairly easily/quickly ported to the Aria. In fact, many of the internals of the HD2 resemble a lot of the Android hardware produced by HTC (qualcomm snapdragon and all that good stuff I believe)... the difficulty of getting android on that device had nothing to do with the ROMs, but actually getting haret to boot a linux kernel properly.
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Unless they ported the whole ROM and re used drivers, I don't quite understand how they got it to work.
They got Sense 2.5 working from The HD2 onto the Omnia II (winmo), so its quite possible. We just need a team of developers willing to do the work. I can offer hosting and testing and little technical help since I am new at Android but I think we can get it to work if we start to tinker with it.
Maybe a ROM port is in order?
Maybe we should wait for a Froyo kernel though.

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Unless they ported the whole ROM and re used drivers, I don't quite understand how they got it to work.
They got Sense 2.5 working from The HD2 onto the Omnia II (winmo), so its quite possible. We just need a team of developers willing to do the work. I can offer hosting and testing and little technical help since I am new at Android but I think we can get it to work if we start to tinker with it.
Maybe a ROM port is in order?
Maybe we should wait for a Froyo kernel though.
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I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying it hasn't been done. There are (correct me if I'm wrong) absolutely no non-HTC android devices with the Sense UI. I know nothing about the HD2/Omnia II Sense port, but that's WinMo... not even remotely close to Android in terms of interoperability. I also feel like any ROMs designed to bring Sense UI to non-HTC android devices would be hit with C&D's since it's their proprietary software (hence why both Fancy Widget and Beautiful Widgets got in trouble originally when they launched on the market).
Don't get me wrong, good luck in porting it, hell even I like the look of it and would love the option, but considering how long Sense has been out for android (and numerous devices) and we don't see it on any non-HTC android devices, I have to believe it's been tried and just doesn't work (which is why you also don't see MotoBLUR/NinjaBLUR anywhere else either... or even TouchWiz on the EVO)

Also I think the HD2 and the Desire are the same hardware. If not the Desire it's another phone. That also makes porting Android pretty painless.

[Q] Building HTC EVO 3D, Sense 3.0 Themes?

Hi, im new to this site and everything that is Android. I crossed over from Iphone in which i knew everything about to try my luck with android, so far its been slow..I was wondering if there was a program or something i could use to design my own Sense 3.0 Themes. I have the EVO 3D and it comes with nothing...So how can i do this? Everything ive seen so far were for roms and rooted devices, do i have to root my EVO 3D first? Help Please

nyakopharr said:
Hi, im new to this site and everything that is Android. I crossed over from Iphone in which i knew everything about to try my luck with android, so far its been slow..I was wondering if there was a program or something i could use to design my own Sense 3.0 Themes. I have the EVO 3D and it comes with nothing...So how can i do this? Everything ive seen so far were for roms and rooted devices, do i have to root my EVO 3D first? Help Please
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I can only answer part of your question. I really don't believe you need to be rooted for having sense 3.0 themes (technically called skins). You just need to find or make one and install it. I could be wrong. Sorry if this is no help
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Any Help is good help. I figured that i could download some but problem is i have looked all over the net for some and cant find any customized skins, on top of that i cant seem to get them installed. I really would like to find out how to customize my own. Theres no program that can do it for you? If not, someone should make one.

nyakopharr said:
Any Help is good help. I figured that i could download some but problem is i have looked all over the net for some and cant find any customized skins, on top of that i cant seem to get them installed. I really would like to find out how to customize my own. Theres no program that can do it for you? If not, someone should make one.
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The closest thing to "a program to do it for you" is made by the GoLauncher team, and its called Themefactory, available on golaunchers website.
Its very..."iffy". I've never used it to actually make anything, just try out.
If you truly dont think your going to do it, and have some idea's of what you want it to look like, Im also willing, to knock this out, as you provide feedback as to exactly what you want things to look like.
Just want Sense 3.0 style look? and thats all? Someones on it.