Hello Everyone,
I recently got my HTC Shift with Windows Vista Pre Loaded and it always seems to me a bit slow while running many stuffs together such as messenger with Internet explorer together. I don't tried loading any other windows yet. Can someone please confirm which is suferfast on HTC Shift? i.e; XP, Vista or Win7?
Thank you for your help....
In me experience XP is fastest, follwed by W7, and miles behind Vista. Currently I'm running Vista though...I tend to change every 6 weeks or so...I find once Vista has loaded ( a long time!) it isn't too bad for normal surfing or word processing. W7 started much quicker but I had some issues with it always trying to find the snapvue modem and not allowing me to access WiFi...a bizarre issue.
May go back to XP but I really like the resolution changer in Vista/W7.
FOOFTR said:
May go back to XP but I really like the resolution changer in Vista/W7.
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Do you mean we are not able to change the display resolution in windows XP like in vista...?
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Do you mean we are not able to change the display resolution in windows XP like in vista...?
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To me, W7 is the best compromise. You have all the functions, including touch screen writing, and better speed.
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Do you mean we are not able to change the display resolution in windows XP like in vista...?
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Some of us had issues getting a resolution fix to work with our devices...so in Xp there is no standard way to change resolution. I agree with thaihugo that W7 is the best compromise and will buy a proper upgrade when it comes out (retail).
There is one thing you should know about windows 7 before loading it on your shift. It's terribly unstable for games, especially older ones.
I was able to get world of warcraft running on it, but every other classic game I've tried so far, crashes windows 7.
For everything that isn't gaming related, Windows 7 is great. But Windows Vista is the only operating system which will actually use the hardware of your shift in the right way.
Caid.
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Win 7 new build
Are there still problems using Windows 7 newer builds on HTC Shift ?
On RC1 I had the following problems: Using or not using AERO, it crashes when accessing Windows Media Center [BSOD], also when runing AERO and button-switch resolutions.
Please if any post, say what build are you using and the problems you have.
I really really want to get along with Win7 on my HTC Shift but as much as I worked to fix those problems it still doesn't work properly.
PS: I will install Win7 in aprox 2weeks when the RTM release is on, and I want Ubuntu 9.04 too with dual boot.
I do NOT game with my HTC Shift, I use Windows for programming and stuff, and Ubuntu for browsing and some ssh. I really hope that Microsoft fix these problems and Windows 7 will run with no problems on HTC Shift
I absolutley LOVE W7 RC1 7100 on Shift, (and my PC's and my tablets, and my laptops for that matter). Any XP or Vista lovers, take note of W7 and start to migrate there
WinMedCetner works IF you dont maximize to full screen, but you can stretch the window to almost full screen. (I know, sucky, but hey, its an answer right?)
Also, I can get the bubbles screen saver to work on shift, but you are all right, AERO does crash it....Not the worst of things to have to give up in my opinion, becuase I still get the Hover Thumbnail Preview for running Applications.
As for games, I'm not your man...I strictly stick to business programs, but have not had any problems with anythign I use, and there is a long list I ahve installed.
My vote is Go for W7! The absolute BEST thing you can do to your Shift!
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I absolutley LOVE W7 RC1 7100 on Shift, (and my PC's and my tablets, and my laptops for that matter). Any XP or Vista lovers, take note of W7 and start to migrate there
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Thnx mate i am installing win7 now to my shift i am installing RC and let me see the magic
I will later also try to install win XP. actually my main concern is the most available ram to run my softwares... I run Yahoo, MSN, Internet Security and bunch of other programs....
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well...
Here's the thing about windows 7. It seems that almost all of the issues that people have, are somehow related to the way win7 handles the shift's video drivers. What this means is, there's a strong chance that anything which requires graphical resources may end up blue screening the shift. This doesn't happen with vista. I'm not sure about XP, but it's a glaring problem for windows 7.
I know windows 7 wasn't designed for the shift, however, it's a shame to have the added efficiency of windows 7 on the shift, with such a disabling exception. Frankly, all of these issues are most certainly related to how windows 7 tries to use the shift's video accelerator.
My logic is, if Vista can do it, Windows 7 should technically be able to as well, the only problem is, Microsoft isn't in charge of driver research for the shift, HTC is. And to HTC, this is of no urgency, for more than one reason.
The shift isn't meant to run Win7, is the first reason, secondly, all development into the Shift and it's drivers has been abandoned. Basically, I don't think enough people bought a shift, which caused HTC to take the "good enough" attitude towards it. They're not going to put anymore effort into improving a device that *while cool and all* is far inferior to most netbooks out today.
Sure, the Shift is a pretty cool device after you come to XDA and enable the phone options and such, but frankly, it's half as powerful as a comparitively priced netbook, and out of the box, not as versatile on account of it's poor processing power. It's been labelled as a tablet PC, and only to it's user base is it known as so much more than that.
The possibilities of the shift are very great, but the effort needed to reach those possibilities is more than what is available today.
Personally, I'd like to see the shift have a second chance, and it would be cool if HTC felt the same. But from what I've seen on behalf of HTC, this is a cold case file for them. I guess I'll have to see what I can get done on my own from China, tonnes of talented programmers here who should be able to churn out results. I'm even prepared to begin hiring a couple programmers who've been affected by the financial crisis, and see about solving some issues which could most certainly be worked out.
This driver issue, is one that by all means of reason, should be solvable, so long as there is no severe OS function which is fundamentally flawed between Vista and Win7, as far as the Shift is concerned.
I suppose the next question would be, if I did try to get a project like this going, what other ideas of improvements could be thought of to improve the shift experience? I know people would like to see BT, Wifi and SD cards on the winmo side, that unfortunately would be an ongoing effort whereas I'm more concerned with working on finishable projects during the resolution of greater issues like winmo's BTWiFiSD problem.
Any ideas, or support would be greatly appreciated.
My next step, and possibly the most difficult, will be convincing my wife that buying another shift (for the programmers to work on) is actually a worthwhile thing. She's not into tech, and doesn't much like my addiction
Caid.
444.
I like your enthusiasm with the Shift Caid. Truth be told its only Shift fans who know its goodness. Its like owning a Jeep. Nobody else can understand and when people ask questions they are simply told "IT'S A JEEP THING". So I guess ours too "IS A SHIFT THING". We still cherish our underpowered gadget even knowing its limitations. But honestly can I buy another Shift? I dont know. Even if my current shift was to somehow explode and burn into ashes I dont think I would replace it with another shift. Or maybe I would! But as long as I have it I will love it and continue to improve it.....
The biggest advantage with the Shift is when you plug a car charger into the cigarete lighter. There aren't many full fledged comps that you can charge with a 12V DC socket, you know.... I know there are DC-AC converters but thats a story for another day!
Now if only we can get a solution for BT-SD-Wifi winmo side........
Can I install Windows Vista Ultimate on the Shift. Love it.
Thanks
Hmm, I installes all of them, the most native. (Vista as an Upgrade to SP2 and Office 2007 SP2) And: It is the slowest what I known.
Windows 7 is nice, but with the newest RC we must rebuild the HowTo for installing Windows 7, some of the old original HTC Vista Homepage drivers not needed anymore.
best practice for all members here is, to make a Windows XP Slipstream to SP3, the modify the slipstreamed TabletPC Edition source with the programm nlite (and remove many not neccersary drivers and thems and so on, and build a bootable USB Stick Version with the small tool winsetupfromusb.
If work all together and have a look to the "last session" File of nlite, all people can have a really nice and "the fastest" and most compatible Windows XP Tablet edition multilanguage of all time.
Ans the builders of this perfect solution don´t need share their own TabletPC Edition product key, lets only have a look to the *.ini file of Nlite building, and many Ideas come together ;-)
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I have actually windows XP and Windows VISTA installed in my PC. I never had problems upgrading Roms using windows xp. However, today, the upgrade utility failled in windows VISTA. When the upg utlity goes for upgrading (after checking and sowed the rom instaled in the device), WIN VISTA close the app. So that, the wizard is left in BL mode and nothin more happens.
Does anyone get successfully upgrade the wizard using VISTA?
Thank you
No, its not working.
Confirmed, not working.
Flashing ROM's + Vista = NOPE!
Hi folks,
I can also confirm that flashing ROM's with Windows Vista does not work.
I tried different compatability settings but no chance.
I am working with the final version of Windows© Vista Ultimate RTM...had the same problems with the Vista betas.
dual boot or vm w/ xp
yes not supported yet by htc
i remember emailing htc about this issue and they said they currently have no plans to make the rom utillities compatible in running windows vista!
So, If they have no plans to make upg utilities Vista compatibles. I would say HTC needs a upgrade. for now any similar company are working hard to make their softs vista compatible.
Yeah, this really sucks for me since I have been running Vista exclusively since the RTM came out.
d'oh...that sucks...I just upgraded to Vista last week.
I think the reason that htc is not supporting vista rom upgrade compatablity is because crossbow will conduct upgrades from the platform/unit itself. I think i've read it somewhere.
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I think the reason that htc is not supporting vista rom upgrade compatablity is because crossbow will conduct upgrades from the platform/unit itself. I think i've read it somewhere.
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Can see if you can find that article. I am curious on how that is going to work.
that's funny because they promised that for the original release of WM5 also.
Microsoft... they make me giggle with their blown deadlines and empty promises.
-Mc
its the photon version he is talking about bink article
Scratch VMWARE
Downloaded and installed VMWARE v6 build 36983 on my windows Vista machine. Running Vista Ultimate build 6.0.6000 (MS Technet Direct download).
Installed Windows XP SP2 into VMWARE and got all updates, patches, etc...
Installed ActiveSync 4.2 on the virtual XP 'puter...
Attached HTC Wizard (Cingular 8125) via USB and activesync picked up device. Wow! this is gonna work (so I thought)
Went to flash rom and it started out well enough... Phone went to load the rom screen, and then I get the "VMWARE workstation unrecoverable error" message... Rom didn't even start to load (thankfully) and I just pulled battery and turned phone back on... No prob...
Haven't had time to look at the dump yet to see what went wrong, but as of now, VMWARE doesn't appear to be an option either....
Anyone else tried VMWARE??
Come on ppl, someone out there smarter than me has had to try the VMWARE thing besides me and gotten it to work
Maybe once Vista is finally "released" to the masses, not just us "technet" or "MSDN" subscribers, support will magically appear...
As an aside, (for those thinking about getting Vista and Office 2K7) you can get Technet Direct Plus for about $290-$300 if you shop around... Sure, you have to download and make your own media, but you save about $100-$150 bucks for your trouble...
You get Vista and Office 2K7 Ultimate and can activate on up to 10 different machines... Also get XP, XP MCE, Office 2003, Exchange, etc....
In a german forum they are talking about flashing and that it is possible.
They did simunlock and flash WM& with vista.
http://www.ppc-welt.info/community/showthread.php?t=109541&highlight=vista
vista ruu works...
did you guys follow these steps? ultimate works fine for me;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=291723
here's a wiki;
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Trinity_WindowsVista
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So, If they have no plans to make upg utilities Vista compatibles. I would say HTC needs a upgrade. for now any similar company are working hard to make their softs vista compatible.
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No plans for vista from my company either. Ever. Not until MS fixes their anti-competitive problems like driver signing, and stops imposing DRM crap on system functions. Just because a company releases some new platform does not mean it will have software support. If you want a functional platform look into Linux or XP. Both of witch have massive software support.
Most of the Apps I write run on OS X & Linux which have strong cross platform compatibility. XP is just a side OS, and buggy at that, with no cross platform compatibility. Vista more so. I would never recoup costs by developing for Vista so there is no point in it. It would be a tax write off and a waste of time and resources. Until Microsoft releases a platform that does what it is supposed to, and that is function as a platform, and not an advertising bus load of crap, then it will gain more support by independent software companies.
The purpose of a platform is to run software. If it cannot do that, then it is worthless. The function of a computer is to increase productivity, and make life easier. If Vista cannot do that, then ditch it, and get a platform that works. Stop expecting the world to evolve around a single company. If M$ was bombed with nukes tomorrow, the world would have to learn how to use a computer instead of playing with one. I would laugh, then run down the street naked shouting rejoice.
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No plans for vista from my company either. Ever. Not until MS fixes their anti-competitive problems like driver signing, and stops imposing DRM crap on system functions. Just because a company releases some new platform does not mean it will have software support. If you want a functional platform look into Linux or XP. Both of witch have massive software support.
Most of the Apps I write run on OS X & Linux which have strong cross platform compatibility. XP is just a side OS, and buggy at that, with no cross platform compatibility. Vista more so. I would never recoup costs by developing for Vista so there is no point in it. It would be a tax write off and a waste of time and resources. Until Microsoft releases a platform that does what it is supposed to, and that is function as a platform, and not an advertising bus load of crap, then it will gain more support by independent software companies.
The purpose of a platform is to run software. If it cannot do that, then it is worthless. The function of a computer is to increase productivity, and make life easier. If Vista cannot do that, then ditch it, and get a platform that works. Stop expecting the world to evolve around a single company. If M$ was bombed with nukes tomorrow, the world would have to learn how to use a computer instead of playing with one. I would laugh, then run down the street naked shouting rejoice.
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Yes, cause I'm certain that syncing our phones and flashing the roms works much better in Linux or OS X than it does in Vista or XP.
I can say that I have been running Vista since before it was released, XP likewise. I have had very little trouble with either of them not running software. The ROM update program for our phones is one of the few pieces of software (outside of security and some utility type apps) that I've seen be a problem with Vista. Most of the problems that do arise are from the new security features preventing software from running in ways that it probably shouldn't have been programmed to in the first place (like trying to run as session 0 or mucking with the kernel).
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Yes, cause I'm certain that syncing our phones and flashing the roms works much better in Linux or OS X than it does in Vista or XP.
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Under Linux, yes, it would be much easier, and the research would be easier as well. My staff flashes close to 20 routers a day with Linux boxen. Very easy to do.
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I can say that I have been running Vista since before it was released, XP likewise. I have had very little trouble with either of them not running software. The ROM update program for our phones is one of the few pieces of software (outside of security and some utility type apps) that I've seen be a problem with Vista. Most of the problems that do arise are from the new security features preventing software from running in ways that it probably shouldn't have been programmed to in the first place (like trying to run as session 0 or mucking with the kernel).
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From your reply it seems like you are a end user, and not a developer, and probably have no idea what driver signing is, what it involves, and how DRM crippled Vista really is, especially if you are using < Ultimate edition.
When it comes to flashing phones, this is why the carriers are NOT going to support Vista for a while, if not ever. You could quite easily brick a phone because of some subvertive driver function that M$ has no public documentation on. Thats why my company doesn't support vista with our routers.
About to purchase a new laptop. Not much of a programmer, but a bit of a "power user" (for a businessperson) - do everything from graphics in Corel and Adobe products to large, intensive presentations to basic/intermediate web design. Getting a relatively powerful system for a business notebook (Lenovo - 2.4 GHz, 3 GB memory, 250 MB hard drive, etc.), but struggling in the decision between XP and Vista (Business or Ultimate). Very comfortable with XP and happy with performance and capabilities. Read a lot about the two operating systems and feel relatively confident that I want to stick with XP, but I kind of hate to stick with "older" technology. Cooking my own ROMs now for the Tilt and it seems there are definitely issues (although perhaps minor) working with some of the tools on Vista. Any strong feelings on this issue from any of the experts that frequent XPA?
I'm my own boss, so no issues with corporate requirements or compatibility and software compatibility issues are minimal. It seems truly to be a personal preference issue - unless someone points out an issue I hadn't considered. Looked around the site for thoughts, but haven't come upon anything.
Thanks in advance for any opinions you have.
I'm currenty using XP skinned with the Vista appearance and a black theme. Looks great (no Fisher-Price colours) and it's stable and everything runs on it just fine.
It will be a while before I use Vista - it's just too flaky right now.
i have a laptop with vista and it's ok
but then it came with vista so i can get drivers for everything and it runs ok
but i would never put vista on my desktop as drivers would likely be
an issue
and i would prob find some incompatability with some software too
so by having both i can get by
I have both on my desktop. Vista home premium and xp home. I use vista and only vista. It is fine for me, the only problem is itunes load in a weird windows, until u restore or minimise it then its normal. oh and it wants to scan and fix anythin i plug in...
but apart frm that its fine.
Id rather use activesync than wmdc though
Rory
as vista will be the common os in next few months, before buying a laptop go to the manufacturer's website and ensure that particular model is supplied with all drivers for vista.
many notebooks will come with linux.
btw vista business should be best for you.
acer has come up with some very good notebooks. although i have none of them but i will highly recommend an acer.
Vista on all computers at home, Xp pro at work, WM6 Pro on my PPC. Only problem I had with Vista was, I couldn't play BioShock.....
If you have the processing power (Core2 minimum, 2gb plus of memory) Vista will be OK- personally I ran it for months and found that it reduced my older but still reasonable system to a very basic mess.. no gaming, terrrible power users performance for video editing, image manipulation; it was only good for browsing the web and email.
I was so sick of it that I went back to XP as a last resort before I bought some new kit.. turns out that was all I needed- I can do everything I want apart from play the latest games, but otherwsie its great to have my PC back.
XP SP3 will do pretty much everything you want it to, and if it doesn't you'll be able to find out quickly and easily whats going on.
Vista will look pretty but suck all the performance out of a perfectly good machine and cause you never ending frustrations with access restrictions and drivers not being available. I'd sit it out until Windows 7.
XP or XP or even XP
I build and maintain computers for people and one or two small businesses and I would say I have stripped about fifteen machines all told of Vista and (IMHO ) Upgraded to XP go around the computer tech sites and you will find plenty of people bad mouthing Vista which is also why Dell has re started offering XP as a OS.
Its bad for working with older Peripherals and not so good if your networking with other OS's
I use vista at home and at work. i use 64 bit at work with SP1 and soon will be on 64 bit vista with SP1 at home. i prefer vista over xp, especially with the service pack. I reccomend using vista. xp was a great release though, that's for sure.
What advantages do you find it gives you Zach? I haven't seen anything apart from very, very minor inerface tweaks that I've really missed since reverting back to XP; what about Vista makes it worth the upgrade over XP to you?
i would say get xp pro and skin it with vista graphics and such with windows blinds i dont really see a big difference between the two except vista doesnt have drivers for some things and vista does kind of complicate things an that asking me for crap(yes i know you can take it off but wtf) and also oe time i couldnt delete something because i didnt have administrative rights im the only user on the pc who else would have it plus xp pro you would probably be more familiar with
xp dont have dx10 vista does
of cause my video card dont support dx10 and non of the games i play use dx10 so i dont care too much
I know a couple of people who have worked around the dx10 issues with XP, so thats not really a deal breaker.
I am running both, and I am happy with each doing its own set of jobs. for my programming needs and video processing I stick with XP because it isn't bogged down with the overhead of the new stuff. I also think XP is more trustworthy in terms of knowing exactly what the os itself is trying to do over your internet connection.
Vista is very good at my leisure uses. I always use it for web surfing or web coding. It handles my various connections over wifi and bluetooth much better than my XP sp3(rc2) machines. The features in vista although small enhancements are still good to have. A good example of this is that explorer seems to be multithreaded now. In XP if I do so large copy and paste operation then that instance of explorer does not allow me to do other tasks fully on the open folder. In vista the file copying seems to be separate from the normal use of explorer. It also does multiple concurrent copy operations properly where XP would not.
I find all pcs today very overpowered for what the majority of users need, so the overhead of vista may not be noticed too much. Having said all that I must confess that I turn off UAC and all the other built in protections and run as an administrator in vista. Not doing that is really intolerable.
Like Vista's looks, but its LastXP ver. 17.1.1 for me!
Windows Vista Service Pack 1 has been released.
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With my Laptop you can slide out the Hard Drive from the side. I have two hard drives. One with XP Pro SP3 and the other with Vista Ultimate SP1.
I soo much Prefer XP Pro.
Hi,
Seems like my user profile is really similar to OP's. I do some light graphic design with photoshop, some stuff in Flash, a little web design, a lot of powerpoint, excel, use outlook with business contacts manager to do project management, and keep three devices synced. I use vista for this and have had no problems with it. THe kind of specced out system he wants to buy will have no problems handling the reqs for vista's fancy graphics stuff. I also like the file exploring and control panel interface better in vista than I do in XP. My vote on OS is go for vista business, no problems with any of the CS3 suite and office 2007 is one of the best software packages I have ever come across. The constantly asking for permission to do stuff is really easily turned off guys...
I do want to advise against getting a lenovo though. I have one and I hate it. The rescue recovery stuff will steal about 30 ggigs of your hard drive (that is so not an exageration), the batteries suck and completely crap out after a year (google that), loaded with bloatware and other junk you can't get of, it gets hot as hell and it weighs a ton. IBM was great, Lenovo is junk. Go for an Acer, I have two of them and I love them. Better performance, lighter, nicer keyboards, etc.
Sorry for the long post!
I've got a vaio with the specs you suggest, 3gb-250gb-core duo t8100 speedstep and 2.10ghz (vgn-nr21z) with vista service pack 1.
It will do everything you want fine.
I would suggest you set up a dual boot with xp and keep that for all things WM (it's just easier).
I agree with having both XP and Vista on your laptop using dual boot. While I have both Vista Ultimate and Xp (Sp3); I rarely boot into XP. Have it just incase, but really haven't found any need to use XP. I also have Vista Ultimate on three or four of my desktops at home and they run without issue. Microsoft says many PC will not run Vista, but most will install and recently most drivers are available. Yes, Vista runs better with more ram and faster cpu, but memory is really cheap these days. Also, Vista can run in XP compatibilty mode if you happen to come across and app that won't install. yes, Vista will ask if you want to proceed, but just shut off UAC and no more questions.
I run the Adobe CS3 suite without issues, actually it runs faster in Vista, run Office 2007 pro, MS Project, MS Visual Studio, C++ and Several X windows apps and no issues.
The best thing about Vista is its ability to Multi-Thread. Can copy gigs of data, while still surfing the net or using MS office. CS3 is just so much faster.
But hey if XP is your thing, go for XP
ok so what are the thoughts on vista im thinking of doing a system restore and placing windows vista on my laptop due to i think ive ran across a virus i think and no clean will fix it so just wanted know anyone thoughts on placing windows vista on my Hp compq nx9010 laptop..is it a good idea..
If you do, you will be sorely dissapointed. Vista, as it stands at the moment, is not meant to be ran on a laptop. Laptops just can't support the memory usage - they use up 1.2GBs of ram, using aero - I don't know what you have, but anything under 2GB ram will make computing a miserable experience.
Play games? Almost all games that are played on the Vista OS either:
1) Do not run
2) Have major issues (For example, Warcraft 3 TFT, Screen flashs every few seconds)
3) Crash or bug after used for awhile.
Also, Vista is slower on startup, and shutdown.
I'd love to change back to XP. Hopefully, SP2 for Vista will be released soon, and it will fix some of the current problems...
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If you do, you will be sorely dissapointed. Vista, as it stands at the moment, is not meant to be ran on a laptop. Laptops just can't support the memory usage - they use up 1.2GBs of ram, using aero - I don't know what you have, but anything under 2GB ram will make computing a miserable experience.
Play games? Almost all games that are played on the Vista OS either:
1) Do not run
2) Have major issues (For example, Warcraft 3 TFT, Screen flashs every few seconds)
3) Crash or bug after used for awhile.
Also, Vista is slower on startup, and shutdown.
I'd love to change back to XP. Hopefully, SP2 for Vista will be released soon, and it will fix some of the current problems...
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yeah i have sp2 for xp but my screen is flashing every fews seconds on my desktop and ive ran scans but still messed up....and i dont have the service pack and really dont wanna made that trick to the computer repair store ..
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yeah i have sp2 for xp but my screen is flashing every fews seconds on my desktop and ive ran scans but still messed up....and i dont have the service pack and really dont wanna made that trick to the computer repair store ..
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sorry trip to the repair store...wrong word
You know, you can edit, instead of spamming. You need to download some spyware software... Spybot Search and Destroy or Microsoft Anti Spyware are good.
Do you already have Anti-Virus running?
Corrykid said:
You know, you can edit, instead of spamming. You need to download some spyware software... Spybot Search and Destroy or Microsoft Anti Spyware are good.
Do you already have Anti-Virus running?
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yeah i have that and AVG as well i dont know what happened..my gf friend was on it for three days while i was at work and then all of a sudden i cant even click on my apps. or anything on my desktop all i can see is them blinking every few seconds and my background
I use Vista on my laptop now (2gb ram, core duo 2ghz, geforce 8600gt 256 mb)
After ServicePack 1, Vista is now my favourite OS, with the latest Ubuntu as a good runner up, and I've tried them all, including the Mac os.
XP still uses less memory than Vista, but the batterytime with Vista is much better. Vista has some really good functions that is not native with XP.
so how much is the xp sp2 usually costs if I wanted it new?is there any cheap sites
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so how much is the xp sp2 usually costs if I wanted it new?is there any cheap sites
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About 80 bucks on ebay the last I checked. That was for OEM. SP3 I believe came out for XP not too long ago. (Just throwing that out there)
Vista runs so much better when you have a machine that can take it.
I have Home Premium, 4gb ram, E6600 processor, WD Raptor 36gb for my Win files, and a WD 250gb for media, Nvidia 8800 GTS.
It handles it with ease. After I installed SP1, it's been a great OS. Bear in mind I used to LOATHE Vista. Now, not so much. My games play fine. (BF2142) I've never had a screen flicker problem you guys are talking about. Make sure you're running the latest drivers for your hardware, that will help a TON.
Hope this helps ya.
dual boot....
dual boot too...
but i never use xp, except when i flashed ap4...
and i dont have sp1 for vista... [because i cant it ****s up my system into reduced functionality..]
Rory
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About 80 bucks on ebay the last I checked. That was for OEM. SP3 I believe came out for XP not too long ago. (Just throwing that out there)
Vista runs so much better when you have a machine that can take it.
I have Home Premium, 4gb ram, E6600 processor, WD Raptor 36gb for my Win files, and a WD 250gb for media, Nvidia 8800 GTS.
It handles it with ease. After I installed SP1, it's been a great OS. Bear in mind I used to LOATHE Vista. Now, not so much. My games play fine. (BF2142) I've never had a screen flicker problem you guys are talking about. Make sure you're running the latest drivers for your hardware, that will help a TON.
Hope this helps ya.
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I am close to agree with you, yes to run vista you need fast PC, i have tested it on similar PC as yours 4gb ram, q6600 intel quad core, Seagate 500 gb SATAII, 8800GT 512 mb, but still seem slow.
Windows XP is a way more responsive and compatible ATM, Don't misunderstand me, i like vista but I find it too slow on a machine like this
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ok so what are the thoughts on vista im thinking of doing a system restore and placing windows vista on my laptop due to i think ive ran across a virus i think and no clean will fix it so just wanted know anyone thoughts on placing windows vista on my Hp compq nx9010 laptop..is it a good idea..
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I put Vista on my old Gateway "Celeron M" Laptop and don't have any issues. I don't use my laptop to play games so it doesn't get stressed out. I did upgrade the memory to 1G though!
Corrykid said:
If you do, you will be sorely dissapointed. Vista, as it stands at the moment, is not meant to be ran on a laptop. Laptops just can't support the memory usage - they use up 1.2GBs of ram, using aero - I don't know what you have, but anything under 2GB ram will make computing a miserable experience.
Play games? Almost all games that are played on the Vista OS either:
1) Do not run
2) Have major issues (For example, Warcraft 3 TFT, Screen flashs every few seconds)
3) Crash or bug after used for awhile.
Also, Vista is slower on startup, and shutdown.
I'd love to change back to XP. Hopefully, SP2 for Vista will be released soon, and it will fix some of the current problems...
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No true for me I have 3 Toshiba laptops 2 of them are now running Vista have had vista on all of them but I need one with XP for my work because I'm to bussy cooking that I havn't had time to rewrite an app I use for my work and not running on vista.
The Qosmio G20 (original windows media center) I can play almost all games only had some problems with Advance Warefighter 2 but all other games I've played are running without a problem... I also use the Qosmio for music production and yes Vista is not causing any problems at all it only a Pentium M 1.73GHz with 1 GB ram
So I can't see why people flame Vista so much.
If you're running vista with 1g of ram, you're not using aero.
If that laptop has a 64 bit capable CPU in it (probably), then get XP x64. It's actually more accurate to call it Windows Workstation 2003 since it's really Windows Server 2003 in disguise, and it will run circles around XP 32 bit. Far superior performance, better memory management, smoother multitasking, and the 2K3 kernel to base everything on makes for a kickass machine. And it's cheaper than XP too.
As for Vista, well... if you have 2GB of RAM, give it a go if you're interested. Anything less is really a waste of time. Vista really offers nothing over XP at this point except DX10 support and some fancier GUI effects. Overall, it does exactly what XP does, except XP does it without quite as much baggage to lug around.
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If that laptop has a 64 bit capable CPU in it (probably), then get XP x64. It's actually more accurate to call it Windows Workstation 2003 since it's really Windows Server 2003 in disguise, and it will run circles around XP 32 bit. Far superior performance, better memory management, smoother multitasking, and the 2K3 kernel to base everything on makes for a kickass machine. And it's cheaper than XP too.
As for Vista, well... if you have 2GB of RAM, give it a go if you're interested. Anything less is really a waste of time. Vista really offers nothing over XP at this point except DX10 support and some fancier GUI effects. Overall, it does exactly what XP does, except XP does it without quite as much baggage to lug around.
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
my hp lappy came with vista it got 2GB and is ok fast
my desktop will be kept xp for compatiblity reasons
(unless starcraft2 will use fancy dx10 stuff )
if one only needs xp for a few things one could always
use wmware or ms virtuel pc (to a lesser degree)
and use it as a virtual machine
I am no phone geek but when it comes to PC, well lets just say i know a thing or two.
Vista is the future, forget xp, and yes it will run great with 2GB of ram, you just need to configure it right.
Bought a notebook Acer TravelMate 6292 with original Vista Business, 2GHz Centrino Duo and 3GB of RAM. Well, satisfied so far, although have problems in HalfLife 2 while playing on big open surfaces and Bioshock, that is actually unplayable. All "oldies", like NFS Carbon and Battlefield Vietnam (yeah, baby!), seem to be ok. I blame it on a ****ty video card Intel X3100 (max 358 Mb shared with RAM ???) and DirectX 10. Music, movies, etc. seem to be ok.
Hey everybody. I respect a lot of the information I get from this site and have come to realize that a majority of posters posses information beyond a simple cell phone. So based on that I ask this: what are the real world differences of using a windows vista 64 bit machine as opposed to its 32 bit counterpart? I'm helping my brother buy a new laptop and he wants to go 64 bit. I have never really looked into it as everything I have ever needed was on my 32 bit machine. What im wondering is how it affects the simple programs on the machine...itunes, firefox, thunderbird, etc. All free programs. I know that most software has to be optimized or created for a 64 bit OS, but I also have the understanding that it will run 32 bit programs and plug ins. This also carries over to certain VPN clients and their compatibility with the machine as well. So basically, will having a 64 bit hinder him in anyways or is it something that should be ok, especially as the trend is to move towards these 64 bit systems?
I appreciate the help guys.
thanks,
AJ
I just got my new HP yesterday which has x64, and I haven't seen a difference yet. The only thing that has happened was iTunes crashed twice in a row. But it has run perfect since then. As for getting it on a laptop, I don't think it would be such a good idea. A laptop, unless you spen a lot of money or build one, isn't as powerful as a desktop, and you may have problems. My Inspiron constantly crashes with x32.
it all depends on the programms your gonna run! if its stuff like firefox and the other things you mention then there is no point going for 64bit systems as of yet!
unless your gonna do stuff like 'data mining' or the software is designed for 64bit CPUs. its do with the precision of represented floating point data, you might get cleverly programmed software that will run 2 32bit codes parralell on a 64bit processor (doubt it).
technically speaking a wider bus width means higher data throughput rates but like i said the sofware has to take advantage
i might be talking total crap tho!
My experience
I've got a desktop PC running Vista64, and an HTPC running Vista32 (which I originally built to run Vista64). This is just my personal experiences!
The HTPC was rock solid on both Vista32 and Vista64. I was able to run every application I tried on both systems as 64 is able to run 32 processes and programs quite happily and with no noticable slow down. The only issue I had is that 64bit programs require 64bit plug-ins and codecs. In particular I was using Vista Media Centre 24/7 and this is a 64bit program, but most of the freeware plug-ins for it were written for Vista32 so didn't work. Also, Media Player is another 64bit program so most visualisations (designed for XP and Vista32) didn't work.
Since wiping the drive and reinstalling Vista32 all the plug-ins I wanted to use have worked. I find it annoying knowing that not all the 4Gb of RAM inside the PC is being used, but in reality I never notice the difference.
My gaming PC has been running Vista64 since I first built in December 07. I've never had an issue with it, I don't think I've ever seen a blue screen, and no program I've tried to install has refused. You have to make sure you select 64bit for your ATI drivers (and I guess nVidia too) and your codecs that you want to use with Media Player but beyond that day-to-day usage is no different.
From using the two, the only difference is one tops out at 3Gb usable RAM and one doesn't! Ask yourself if you are ever going to use more than 3Gb. On a laptop for light use, I'd say probably not. On a desktop PC for heavy gaming/applications I'd say it's something worth considering.
also old windows3.11 16bit programs will not run on 64bit os
they work on 32bit but doubt too many people use those anymore
Rudegar said:
also old windows3.11 16bit programs will not run on 64bit os
they work on 32bit but doubt too many people use those anymore
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compatibility mode doesn't work? plus I was reading something the other day that said Microsoft released software that makes running older applications easier.
I would say go 64bit, the more people who uses 64bit is the faster the transition. and the faster we'll see mainstream computers with 16gb!
Hi,
I am interested in installing Windows 7 on my Shift (mainly for performance reasons) as soon as its final version is released.
But I am simply lazy and don't want to reinstall and configure everything again in windows 7. So what about an upgrade installation from Vista to Windows 7?
I would expect that Win7 takes all the drivers from Vista and use them on its own. Would this work?
Does anyone of you has any experience with upgrading your Shift's Vista installation? What about the storage space? Can I remove the Vista backup (i don't mean the hidden restore image from HTC) after upgrading to Windows 7? For sure I will do an external backup from my current Vista setup before even touching Win7.
Upgrading does some problems that I will explain in like two words... but the main problem of it:
WAIT for Windows 7 RTM [13 July 2009] and FRESH install this. Upgrading not only takes more time, but also space, space that Shift doesn't have, however upgrading may cause some problems like immediately BSOD and some other ****.
Idea: I will fresh install Windows 7 RTM, and allocate two weeks of hard work for solving the problems, or the least most of them, the main problem is BSOD caused by interpolated resolution on Aero and some fullscreen application, with or without Aero, like Windows Media Center. For now... just waiting for Microsoft's product to be released
so, how about HTC Support ?
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Dear Sir or Madam As I own a HTC Shift, known also as HTC Clio 110, I would be really interested in your support for Windows 7, as Microsoft official RTM release will be available on 13 July 2009.
Me and the HTC Shift community are having problems with the video driver resulting in BSOD when operating on Windows 7 RC.
Hope that Microsoft or HTC resolv these issues as I really need something faster on this machine.
Thanks for your help and I look forward for your response.
Yours faithfully, Vlad DalvuS
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Dear Customer,
Thank you for contacting our Customer Support Center.
Unfortunately there is no support for MS Windows 7 for the HTC Shift and there is no plans for Microsoft release an upgrade license to this device.
If you have further questions you can call our Call Center from a different handset. In http://www.htc.com/select_country.htm, select your country and then click on the Support tab.
Thank you once again for your continued patronage.
Best regards,
Europe customer support team
HTC Corp. Global Service Division
This is so bad.
It is 2009 and I never want to setup windows on my PC again. Working and reliable upgrades should be Microsoft's next focus.
Hi there. I have upgraded my Shift's Vista to Windows 7 and thankfully you where absolutely wrong.
I just wrote down my experiences here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4376405#post4376405
The upgrade took long 3 hours but afterwards everything went well. Seems like Microsoft improved the upgrade procedure in Windows 6.x more than the people expected.
LordDeath said:
Hi there. I have upgraded my Shift's Vista to Windows 7 and thankfully you where absolutely wrong.
I just wrote down my experiences here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4376405#post4376405
The upgrade took long 3 hours but afterwards everything went well. Seems like Microsoft improved the upgrade procedure in Windows 6.x more than the people expected.
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Hi
Thanks for your experiences note. I appreciate it.
Thanks
Ram