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Dual Boot Vista & XP: Use Vista to play, Use XP to flash Wizard!! 100% sucessful!!

Dual Boot Vista & XP: Use Vista to play, Use XP to flash Wizard!! 100% sucessful!!
Hey everyone I just wanted to let everyone here know that setting up a dual boot on your computer will allow you to have Vista as your default OS but then reboot your computer and select from either Vista or XP and load either or. Load XP when working on your Wizard, load Vista when you're not!
Here is a link to a tutorial:
http://www.anichillus.net/index.php?action=profile;u=29;sa=showPosts
Link is also in my signature.
PS>> I have tried this personally and have found it to be 100% reliable and works every time!!
Have fun guys!

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I used to do this as well, but really got sick of Vista and all the compatibility issues, it was getting to be a pain having to reboot everytime I wanted to sync/flash my phone and use winavi (among other things), I got rid of the Vista Ultimate I was running and now just run Black XP...

wolvarine said:
I used to do this as well, but really got sick of Vista and all the compatibility issues, it was getting to be a pain having to reboot everytime I wanted to sync/flash my phone and use winavi (among other things), I got rid of the Vista Ultimate I was running and now just run Black XP...
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That was an option for me as well but I have an HP Dragon with a 240gig hard drive and Vista Ultimate preloaded. I use Vista for all of my photoshopping and what not but XP is only a 40Gig partition and aside from virus protection, is a clean OS strictly for working on my Wizard. I use Vista for everything else.
Yes vista has compatibility issues with the bootloader on our Wizards but for all other softwares, the drivers are there. The programs may not install properly or at all but if you go to their website, or do a simple google search, you will find the drivers you are looking for 99% of the time.

hah
I was telling people to do this a long time ago, glad someone caught on hah cheers, remember to get your XP key legally of course
oh yeah, I believe you can do this in virtual pc/wmware as well, XP fresh install is only about 1.7gb

Yes !
This exactly is what I have also been advising the guys to do.
Well thats exactly what I have done a longtime back,when Vista was first time launched.I'm running both the OS's since than.But as I have three 160g's Sata drives installed in my system, I can easily manage to have both Os on separate drives.never felt the need to partition one drive for separate OS's,LOL

dharvey4651 said:
That was an option for me as well but I have an HP Dragon with a 240gig hard drive and Vista Ultimate preloaded. I use Vista for all of my photoshopping and what not but XP is only a 40Gig partition and aside from virus protection, is a clean OS strictly for working on my Wizard. I use Vista for everything else.
Yes vista has compatibility issues with the bootloader on our Wizards but for all other softwares, the drivers are there. The programs may not install properly or at all but if you go to their website, or do a simple google search, you will find the drivers you are looking for 99% of the time.
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I know, but the only problem for me was that one of the programs I use a lot (winAVI) was part of that 1%...

BA_Flash_GOD said:
I was telling people to do this a long time ago, glad someone caught on hah cheers, remember to get your XP key legally of course
oh yeah, I believe you can do this in virtual pc/wmware as well, XP fresh install is only about 1.7gb
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Nicely said. I already had XP on an old HP Pavilion fortunately so I had the restore disk but my Dragon came with Vista Ultimate... I never had to pay for either OS but both are perfectly legal Activated versions. THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD BE. Either you get lucky and have both disks already or you purchase it. No WAREZ...

How to sync tytn ii with mac... has anyone got any clue

I have just bought HTC tytn II but dont know how to sync it with my mac. can anyone provide any answers

You'll have to use The Missing Sync for Windows Mobile to sync all your calendars, tasks and contacts from your mac to your phone.
http://www.markspace.com/missingsync_windowsmobile.php
I used it with my 8525, and it worked without a problem. I've never tried it with my Tilt, but it should be the same.
Dave

yeah Missing Sync works great with Mac...you can sync more items than ActiveSync offers for Windows. Such as text messages...

Wow! I was expecting to browse this thread and see a ton of replies flaming Mac. Good to see the professionalism showing.

NotATreoFan said:
Wow! I was expecting to browse this thread and see a ton of replies flaming Mac. Good to see the professionalism showing.
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Well i am a MS fan, always been a user since the first time i used a computer, but am now employed by Apple (no, i refuse to use that iPhone, its truly not as good as people say it is), and to admit, there are many things Apple is better at than MS, but Mobile, Windows Mobile remains on top only because its so open.

rohit8282 said:
I have just bought HTC tytn II but dont know how to sync it with my mac. can anyone provide any answers
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you can try eltima syncmate. right now its still in beta. feature wise and simplicity I like it better than missing sync but that's just me.
When I had Tiger, the one thing missing sync had above syncmate was its ability to open my device as a disk in mac os x. But with leopard, this has been disabled (missing sync 4.02) You can read through the missing sync change log about this. If you still use tiger, try and get the last missing sync v3. If you have leopard, i'd advise using syncmate since it's free though there are still some bugs (i mainly use contacts sync and no issues there)

NotATreoFan said:
Wow! I was expecting to browse this thread and see a ton of replies flaming Mac. Good to see the professionalism showing.
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There is no need to flame Macs. They are now capable of running their own OS as well as a working one (how's that for professionalism )
Ok, I'm just a sarcastic jerk. I actually have a Vista computer, an iMac G5, my Tilt and I have an iPhone again (which is going on Craigslist...again!). I don't know how to synchronize with the Mac so I just use the PC. I couldn't care any less which of the computers I use. They both work.

wow! i'm glad tytn II can be synced with Mac! coz my Vista just crashed on me a few hours ago without any good reason but thank God it miraculously got revived!
so i'm really skeptical of Windows and plan on jumping over to Mac if ever any nonsense from Windows/Vista comes up again..

rohit8282 said:
I have just bought HTC tytn II but dont know how to sync it with my mac. can anyone provide any answers
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I have owned a qtek 9000, an HTC MeTeor, an HTC TyTN ll, and All have been WinMobile 5, smartphones, or WinMobile 6 Professional devices, and I can honestly say, that The Missing sync (on My MacBOOk Pro, OS X 10.5.6), I have had SIGNIFIGANT SYNCING ISSUES, AND SIGNIFANT BLUETOOTH ISSUES, THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE even been in the equation as I was cradled with a USB. I have tried it 6 ways from Sunday on at least 4 or 5 different devices and not fared much better. I am wondering if I brave enough to try to flas my ROM on my TyTN ll to the current version, but do it running Windows XP on my MAC through VMWarefusion (I think it would be easier than trying to do it with Parralells or Boot Camp) but honestly, I haven;t heard from anyone that has ever updated a ROM on Winmobile 5 or 6 device from a MAC. If you have, I would forever be in your debt to know how they did it and how it worked? Cheers, Shogunzero

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I have owned a qtek 9000, an HTC MeTeor, an HTC TyTN ll, and All have been WinMobile 5, smartphones, or WinMobile 6 Professional devices, and I can honestly say, that The Missing sync (on My MacBOOk Pro, OS X 10.5.6), I have had SIGNIFIGANT SYNCING ISSUES, AND SIGNIFANT BLUETOOTH ISSUES, THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE even been in the equation as I was cradled with a USB. I have tried it 6 ways from Sunday on at least 4 or 5 different devices and not fared much better. I am wondering if I brave enough to try to flas my ROM on my TyTN ll to the current version, but do it running Windows XP on my MAC through VMWarefusion (I think it would be easier than trying to do it with Parralells or Boot Camp) but honestly, I haven;t heard from anyone that has ever updated a ROM on Winmobile 5 or 6 device from a MAC. If you have, I would forever be in your debt to know how they did it and how it worked? Cheers, Shogunzero
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It is not possible to flash from the Mac side, Leopard will not run the .exe's.
I have an Intel Imac running Windows XP through Bootcamp. I sync through Active Sync 4,5 to my Windows desktop with never a problem. I have also flashed many roms, radios, and upgrades also, and have never had a problem at all.
Since I run my business off of my Mac. I also need to sync my phone to my Mac side. What problems have you encountered ? Missing sync has been way better than AS for me. Never a problem.
Parallels is crap. Crappy software, crappy company. Bootcamp is way better and free. I can't believe I actually paid for Parallels.

denco7 said:
It is not possible to flash from the Mac side, Leopard will not run the .exe's.
I have an Intel Imac running Windows XP through Bootcamp. I sync through Active Sync 4,5 to my Windows desktop with never a problem. I have also flashed many roms, radios, and upgrades also, and have never had a problem at all.
Since I run my business off of my Mac. I also need to sync my phone to my Mac side. What problems have you encountered ? Missing sync has been way better than AS for me. Never a problem.
Parallels is crap. Crappy software, crappy company. Bootcamp is way better and free. I can't believe I actually paid for Parallels.
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Im sure its possible, as you CAN flash using tty on other devices under Linux. Dont forget, macs come standard with ssh/tty ( as they are Unix ).
Ive not done it on a kaiser yet ( Hardspl allows you to flash via MicroSD which is not only faster but a MUCH MUCH more stable way to do it ) But i remember messing with the roms on my hermes ( goofing with mobile linux ).
Im on a C2D Macbook Pro. I sync using MissingSync. I do ALL flashing by copying the nbh to the MicroSD. This is your safest, fastest, most efficient way of flashing ( Much faster than runing an exe on a windows system ). If you need help on how, shoot me a PM =)
Just a sidenote.....
POF made the HERMflasher and im SURE he has to have something available for the kaiser by now You might try to shoot him a PM to see if he has a source you could compile and port to the kaiser. If it can be done under linux, then more than likely you can do it under BSD Unix

When I asked this question last spring, the general concensus was possible, probably, but the tools weren't there yet. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=393869
I have never flashed from an SD card before. Just takes ten minutes on the PC in Win XP, never had a hitch, resistant to new ways I guess

denco7 said:
When I asked this question last spring, the general concensus was possible, probably, but the tools weren't there yet. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=393869
I have never flashed from an SD card before. Just takes ten minutes on the PC in Win XP, never had a hitch, resistant to new ways I guess
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Rohit8282 has a mac............. not xp. Simply telling him some useful information. Also, flashing via SD takes at most 5 minutes. There is NO RISK at all involving a data connection disruption OR power failures.
Just more helpful info

The OP was from a year ago, shogunzero searched and picked up this thread. ( yea, a noob who actually searched, good job) He has the same set up as me, running an Intel Mac with a partioned disk , running OSX Leopard on one side and Windows XP on the other side.
Suffice it to say , you cannot run the Kaiser RUU and flash Spl from OSX. Once you have SPL flashed on your phone , you can download custom roms onto OSX and transfer he files to your SD card and flash from your card.
Since I personally spend equal amounts of time on OSX and XP, I just do all my flashing and phone play from XP. Microsoft plays nice with Microsoft (why upset Bill and Steve)
If you are just updating your stock TyNT II rom then you can do it safely from your SDcard, If you want to flash a custom rom you need to initially use XP to flash HardSpl.
It is just as safe.
And if like pyraxiate, your really sweating that extra 5 mins, I just have an extra cup of coffee

denco7 said:
The OP was from a year ago, shogunzero searched and picked up this thread. ( yea, a noob who actually searched, good job) He has the same set up as me, running an Intel Mac with a partioned disk , running OSX Leopard on one side and Windows XP on the other side.
Suffice it to say , you cannot run the Kaiser RUU and flash Spl from OSX. Once you have SPL flashed on your phone , you can download custom roms onto OSX and transfer he files to your SD card and flash from your card.
Since I personally spend equal amounts of time on OSX and XP, I just do all my flashing and phone play from XP. Microsoft plays nice with Microsoft (why upset Bill and Steve)
If you are just updating your stock TyNT II rom then you can do it safely from your SDcard, If you want to flash a custom rom you need to initially use XP to flash HardSpl.
It is just as safe.
And if like pyraxiate, your really sweating that extra 5 mins, I just have an extra cup of coffee
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LOL im with you on the coffee part, but the main reason I flash Via SD is because I flash about once or twice a week, and I keep a folder of roms as well as a folder of radios on the sdcard itself. If im out, I can swap things around at any time ( and because im an on-the-go technician this is a good thing). I can download the roms and install without ever using a computer. Very useful if one doesnt have windows at all
But, im having my cup of coffee now and flashing as we speak ( trying out a PDACorner Rom )

Being a noob at card flashing, you have a card that is just dedicated to roms ? You don't load roms on to your everyday card with music, ringtones and backups, and flash from that do you?

denco7 said:
Being a noob at card flashing, you have a card that is just dedicated to roms ? You don't load roms on to your everyday card with music, ringtones and backups, and flash from that do you?
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I do have multiple cards , but my last 10 flashes have been from my everyday card. I keep a folder inside called flash and inside flash are 3 subfolders ( Roms, Radios, Hard-SPL). I copy all of the nbh files to the appropriate directory path, then rename them to something id recognize like HDIII.nbh, L26M2D.nbh, PDAV14.nbh and for radios use the radio number. when I go to flash, simply copy/paste the rom/radio (HDIII.nbh) to the root of the SD card and rename it to KAISIMG.nbh ( do not cut/paste as you wil want the original later). just reset into botloader and viola there you go. flashing made easy hehe. (all but flashing SPL...thats done a tad differently from sd)
If you have any other questions feel free to ask
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I use 2x 8gb card and no issues yet (maybe 1K flashes now haha)

Syncmate
I've just read a review about Syncmate, a free software to sync win mobile devices and Mac Os.
Read on: http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=2577
Ciao, Francesco

XP Pro vs. Vista?

About to purchase a new laptop. Not much of a programmer, but a bit of a "power user" (for a businessperson) - do everything from graphics in Corel and Adobe products to large, intensive presentations to basic/intermediate web design. Getting a relatively powerful system for a business notebook (Lenovo - 2.4 GHz, 3 GB memory, 250 MB hard drive, etc.), but struggling in the decision between XP and Vista (Business or Ultimate). Very comfortable with XP and happy with performance and capabilities. Read a lot about the two operating systems and feel relatively confident that I want to stick with XP, but I kind of hate to stick with "older" technology. Cooking my own ROMs now for the Tilt and it seems there are definitely issues (although perhaps minor) working with some of the tools on Vista. Any strong feelings on this issue from any of the experts that frequent XPA?
I'm my own boss, so no issues with corporate requirements or compatibility and software compatibility issues are minimal. It seems truly to be a personal preference issue - unless someone points out an issue I hadn't considered. Looked around the site for thoughts, but haven't come upon anything.
Thanks in advance for any opinions you have.

I'm currenty using XP skinned with the Vista appearance and a black theme. Looks great (no Fisher-Price colours) and it's stable and everything runs on it just fine.
It will be a while before I use Vista - it's just too flaky right now.

i have a laptop with vista and it's ok
but then it came with vista so i can get drivers for everything and it runs ok
but i would never put vista on my desktop as drivers would likely be
an issue
and i would prob find some incompatability with some software too
so by having both i can get by

I have both on my desktop. Vista home premium and xp home. I use vista and only vista. It is fine for me, the only problem is itunes load in a weird windows, until u restore or minimise it then its normal. oh and it wants to scan and fix anythin i plug in...
but apart frm that its fine.
Id rather use activesync than wmdc though
Rory

as vista will be the common os in next few months, before buying a laptop go to the manufacturer's website and ensure that particular model is supplied with all drivers for vista.
many notebooks will come with linux.
btw vista business should be best for you.
acer has come up with some very good notebooks. although i have none of them but i will highly recommend an acer.

Vista on all computers at home, Xp pro at work, WM6 Pro on my PPC. Only problem I had with Vista was, I couldn't play BioShock.....

If you have the processing power (Core2 minimum, 2gb plus of memory) Vista will be OK- personally I ran it for months and found that it reduced my older but still reasonable system to a very basic mess.. no gaming, terrrible power users performance for video editing, image manipulation; it was only good for browsing the web and email.
I was so sick of it that I went back to XP as a last resort before I bought some new kit.. turns out that was all I needed- I can do everything I want apart from play the latest games, but otherwsie its great to have my PC back.
XP SP3 will do pretty much everything you want it to, and if it doesn't you'll be able to find out quickly and easily whats going on.
Vista will look pretty but suck all the performance out of a perfectly good machine and cause you never ending frustrations with access restrictions and drivers not being available. I'd sit it out until Windows 7.

XP or XP or even XP
I build and maintain computers for people and one or two small businesses and I would say I have stripped about fifteen machines all told of Vista and (IMHO ) Upgraded to XP go around the computer tech sites and you will find plenty of people bad mouthing Vista which is also why Dell has re started offering XP as a OS.
Its bad for working with older Peripherals and not so good if your networking with other OS's

I use vista at home and at work. i use 64 bit at work with SP1 and soon will be on 64 bit vista with SP1 at home. i prefer vista over xp, especially with the service pack. I reccomend using vista. xp was a great release though, that's for sure.

What advantages do you find it gives you Zach? I haven't seen anything apart from very, very minor inerface tweaks that I've really missed since reverting back to XP; what about Vista makes it worth the upgrade over XP to you?

i would say get xp pro and skin it with vista graphics and such with windows blinds i dont really see a big difference between the two except vista doesnt have drivers for some things and vista does kind of complicate things an that asking me for crap(yes i know you can take it off but wtf) and also oe time i couldnt delete something because i didnt have administrative rights im the only user on the pc who else would have it plus xp pro you would probably be more familiar with

xp dont have dx10 vista does
of cause my video card dont support dx10 and non of the games i play use dx10 so i dont care too much

I know a couple of people who have worked around the dx10 issues with XP, so thats not really a deal breaker.

I am running both, and I am happy with each doing its own set of jobs. for my programming needs and video processing I stick with XP because it isn't bogged down with the overhead of the new stuff. I also think XP is more trustworthy in terms of knowing exactly what the os itself is trying to do over your internet connection.
Vista is very good at my leisure uses. I always use it for web surfing or web coding. It handles my various connections over wifi and bluetooth much better than my XP sp3(rc2) machines. The features in vista although small enhancements are still good to have. A good example of this is that explorer seems to be multithreaded now. In XP if I do so large copy and paste operation then that instance of explorer does not allow me to do other tasks fully on the open folder. In vista the file copying seems to be separate from the normal use of explorer. It also does multiple concurrent copy operations properly where XP would not.
I find all pcs today very overpowered for what the majority of users need, so the overhead of vista may not be noticed too much. Having said all that I must confess that I turn off UAC and all the other built in protections and run as an administrator in vista. Not doing that is really intolerable.

Like Vista's looks, but its LastXP ver. 17.1.1 for me!

Windows Vista Service Pack 1 has been released.

2 cents:
With my Laptop you can slide out the Hard Drive from the side. I have two hard drives. One with XP Pro SP3 and the other with Vista Ultimate SP1.
I soo much Prefer XP Pro.

Hi,
Seems like my user profile is really similar to OP's. I do some light graphic design with photoshop, some stuff in Flash, a little web design, a lot of powerpoint, excel, use outlook with business contacts manager to do project management, and keep three devices synced. I use vista for this and have had no problems with it. THe kind of specced out system he wants to buy will have no problems handling the reqs for vista's fancy graphics stuff. I also like the file exploring and control panel interface better in vista than I do in XP. My vote on OS is go for vista business, no problems with any of the CS3 suite and office 2007 is one of the best software packages I have ever come across. The constantly asking for permission to do stuff is really easily turned off guys...
I do want to advise against getting a lenovo though. I have one and I hate it. The rescue recovery stuff will steal about 30 ggigs of your hard drive (that is so not an exageration), the batteries suck and completely crap out after a year (google that), loaded with bloatware and other junk you can't get of, it gets hot as hell and it weighs a ton. IBM was great, Lenovo is junk. Go for an Acer, I have two of them and I love them. Better performance, lighter, nicer keyboards, etc.
Sorry for the long post!

I've got a vaio with the specs you suggest, 3gb-250gb-core duo t8100 speedstep and 2.10ghz (vgn-nr21z) with vista service pack 1.
It will do everything you want fine.
I would suggest you set up a dual boot with xp and keep that for all things WM (it's just easier).

I agree with having both XP and Vista on your laptop using dual boot. While I have both Vista Ultimate and Xp (Sp3); I rarely boot into XP. Have it just incase, but really haven't found any need to use XP. I also have Vista Ultimate on three or four of my desktops at home and they run without issue. Microsoft says many PC will not run Vista, but most will install and recently most drivers are available. Yes, Vista runs better with more ram and faster cpu, but memory is really cheap these days. Also, Vista can run in XP compatibilty mode if you happen to come across and app that won't install. yes, Vista will ask if you want to proceed, but just shut off UAC and no more questions.
I run the Adobe CS3 suite without issues, actually it runs faster in Vista, run Office 2007 pro, MS Project, MS Visual Studio, C++ and Several X windows apps and no issues.
The best thing about Vista is its ability to Multi-Thread. Can copy gigs of data, while still surfing the net or using MS office. CS3 is just so much faster.
But hey if XP is your thing, go for XP

Vista Vs. XP Vs. Win7 on Shift?

Hello Everyone,
I recently got my HTC Shift with Windows Vista Pre Loaded and it always seems to me a bit slow while running many stuffs together such as messenger with Internet explorer together. I don't tried loading any other windows yet. Can someone please confirm which is suferfast on HTC Shift? i.e; XP, Vista or Win7?
Thank you for your help....

In me experience XP is fastest, follwed by W7, and miles behind Vista. Currently I'm running Vista though...I tend to change every 6 weeks or so...I find once Vista has loaded ( a long time!) it isn't too bad for normal surfing or word processing. W7 started much quicker but I had some issues with it always trying to find the snapvue modem and not allowing me to access WiFi...a bizarre issue.
May go back to XP but I really like the resolution changer in Vista/W7.

FOOFTR said:
May go back to XP but I really like the resolution changer in Vista/W7.
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Do you mean we are not able to change the display resolution in windows XP like in vista...?

mustking said:
Do you mean we are not able to change the display resolution in windows XP like in vista...?
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To me, W7 is the best compromise. You have all the functions, including touch screen writing, and better speed.

mustking said:
Do you mean we are not able to change the display resolution in windows XP like in vista...?
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Some of us had issues getting a resolution fix to work with our devices...so in Xp there is no standard way to change resolution. I agree with thaihugo that W7 is the best compromise and will buy a proper upgrade when it comes out (retail).

There is one thing you should know about windows 7 before loading it on your shift. It's terribly unstable for games, especially older ones.
I was able to get world of warcraft running on it, but every other classic game I've tried so far, crashes windows 7.
For everything that isn't gaming related, Windows 7 is great. But Windows Vista is the only operating system which will actually use the hardware of your shift in the right way.
Caid.
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Win 7 new build
Are there still problems using Windows 7 newer builds on HTC Shift ?
On RC1 I had the following problems: Using or not using AERO, it crashes when accessing Windows Media Center [BSOD], also when runing AERO and button-switch resolutions.
Please if any post, say what build are you using and the problems you have.
I really really want to get along with Win7 on my HTC Shift but as much as I worked to fix those problems it still doesn't work properly.
PS: I will install Win7 in aprox 2weeks when the RTM release is on, and I want Ubuntu 9.04 too with dual boot.
I do NOT game with my HTC Shift, I use Windows for programming and stuff, and Ubuntu for browsing and some ssh. I really hope that Microsoft fix these problems and Windows 7 will run with no problems on HTC Shift

I absolutley LOVE W7 RC1 7100 on Shift, (and my PC's and my tablets, and my laptops for that matter). Any XP or Vista lovers, take note of W7 and start to migrate there
WinMedCetner works IF you dont maximize to full screen, but you can stretch the window to almost full screen. (I know, sucky, but hey, its an answer right?)
Also, I can get the bubbles screen saver to work on shift, but you are all right, AERO does crash it....Not the worst of things to have to give up in my opinion, becuase I still get the Hover Thumbnail Preview for running Applications.
As for games, I'm not your man...I strictly stick to business programs, but have not had any problems with anythign I use, and there is a long list I ahve installed.
My vote is Go for W7! The absolute BEST thing you can do to your Shift!

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I absolutley LOVE W7 RC1 7100 on Shift, (and my PC's and my tablets, and my laptops for that matter). Any XP or Vista lovers, take note of W7 and start to migrate there
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Thnx mate i am installing win7 now to my shift i am installing RC and let me see the magic
I will later also try to install win XP. actually my main concern is the most available ram to run my softwares... I run Yahoo, MSN, Internet Security and bunch of other programs....
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well...
Here's the thing about windows 7. It seems that almost all of the issues that people have, are somehow related to the way win7 handles the shift's video drivers. What this means is, there's a strong chance that anything which requires graphical resources may end up blue screening the shift. This doesn't happen with vista. I'm not sure about XP, but it's a glaring problem for windows 7.
I know windows 7 wasn't designed for the shift, however, it's a shame to have the added efficiency of windows 7 on the shift, with such a disabling exception. Frankly, all of these issues are most certainly related to how windows 7 tries to use the shift's video accelerator.
My logic is, if Vista can do it, Windows 7 should technically be able to as well, the only problem is, Microsoft isn't in charge of driver research for the shift, HTC is. And to HTC, this is of no urgency, for more than one reason.
The shift isn't meant to run Win7, is the first reason, secondly, all development into the Shift and it's drivers has been abandoned. Basically, I don't think enough people bought a shift, which caused HTC to take the "good enough" attitude towards it. They're not going to put anymore effort into improving a device that *while cool and all* is far inferior to most netbooks out today.
Sure, the Shift is a pretty cool device after you come to XDA and enable the phone options and such, but frankly, it's half as powerful as a comparitively priced netbook, and out of the box, not as versatile on account of it's poor processing power. It's been labelled as a tablet PC, and only to it's user base is it known as so much more than that.
The possibilities of the shift are very great, but the effort needed to reach those possibilities is more than what is available today.
Personally, I'd like to see the shift have a second chance, and it would be cool if HTC felt the same. But from what I've seen on behalf of HTC, this is a cold case file for them. I guess I'll have to see what I can get done on my own from China, tonnes of talented programmers here who should be able to churn out results. I'm even prepared to begin hiring a couple programmers who've been affected by the financial crisis, and see about solving some issues which could most certainly be worked out.
This driver issue, is one that by all means of reason, should be solvable, so long as there is no severe OS function which is fundamentally flawed between Vista and Win7, as far as the Shift is concerned.
I suppose the next question would be, if I did try to get a project like this going, what other ideas of improvements could be thought of to improve the shift experience? I know people would like to see BT, Wifi and SD cards on the winmo side, that unfortunately would be an ongoing effort whereas I'm more concerned with working on finishable projects during the resolution of greater issues like winmo's BTWiFiSD problem.
Any ideas, or support would be greatly appreciated.
My next step, and possibly the most difficult, will be convincing my wife that buying another shift (for the programmers to work on) is actually a worthwhile thing. She's not into tech, and doesn't much like my addiction
Caid.
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I like your enthusiasm with the Shift Caid. Truth be told its only Shift fans who know its goodness. Its like owning a Jeep. Nobody else can understand and when people ask questions they are simply told "IT'S A JEEP THING". So I guess ours too "IS A SHIFT THING". We still cherish our underpowered gadget even knowing its limitations. But honestly can I buy another Shift? I dont know. Even if my current shift was to somehow explode and burn into ashes I dont think I would replace it with another shift. Or maybe I would! But as long as I have it I will love it and continue to improve it.....
The biggest advantage with the Shift is when you plug a car charger into the cigarete lighter. There aren't many full fledged comps that you can charge with a 12V DC socket, you know.... I know there are DC-AC converters but thats a story for another day!
Now if only we can get a solution for BT-SD-Wifi winmo side........

Can I install Windows Vista Ultimate on the Shift. Love it.
Thanks

Hmm, I installes all of them, the most native. (Vista as an Upgrade to SP2 and Office 2007 SP2) And: It is the slowest what I known.
Windows 7 is nice, but with the newest RC we must rebuild the HowTo for installing Windows 7, some of the old original HTC Vista Homepage drivers not needed anymore.
best practice for all members here is, to make a Windows XP Slipstream to SP3, the modify the slipstreamed TabletPC Edition source with the programm nlite (and remove many not neccersary drivers and thems and so on, and build a bootable USB Stick Version with the small tool winsetupfromusb.
If work all together and have a look to the "last session" File of nlite, all people can have a really nice and "the fastest" and most compatible Windows XP Tablet edition multilanguage of all time.
Ans the builders of this perfect solution don´t need share their own TabletPC Edition product key, lets only have a look to the *.ini file of Nlite building, and many Ideas come together ;-)

Upgrading Vista to Windows 7?

Hi,
I am interested in installing Windows 7 on my Shift (mainly for performance reasons) as soon as its final version is released.
But I am simply lazy and don't want to reinstall and configure everything again in windows 7. So what about an upgrade installation from Vista to Windows 7?
I would expect that Win7 takes all the drivers from Vista and use them on its own. Would this work?
Does anyone of you has any experience with upgrading your Shift's Vista installation? What about the storage space? Can I remove the Vista backup (i don't mean the hidden restore image from HTC) after upgrading to Windows 7? For sure I will do an external backup from my current Vista setup before even touching Win7.

Upgrading does some problems that I will explain in like two words... but the main problem of it:
WAIT for Windows 7 RTM [13 July 2009] and FRESH install this. Upgrading not only takes more time, but also space, space that Shift doesn't have, however upgrading may cause some problems like immediately BSOD and some other ****.
Idea: I will fresh install Windows 7 RTM, and allocate two weeks of hard work for solving the problems, or the least most of them, the main problem is BSOD caused by interpolated resolution on Aero and some fullscreen application, with or without Aero, like Windows Media Center. For now... just waiting for Microsoft's product to be released
so, how about HTC Support ?
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Dear Sir or Madam As I own a HTC Shift, known also as HTC Clio 110, I would be really interested in your support for Windows 7, as Microsoft official RTM release will be available on 13 July 2009.
Me and the HTC Shift community are having problems with the video driver resulting in BSOD when operating on Windows 7 RC.
Hope that Microsoft or HTC resolv these issues as I really need something faster on this machine.
Thanks for your help and I look forward for your response.
Yours faithfully, Vlad DalvuS
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Dear Customer,
Thank you for contacting our Customer Support Center.
Unfortunately there is no support for MS Windows 7 for the HTC Shift and there is no plans for Microsoft release an upgrade license to this device.
If you have further questions you can call our Call Center from a different handset. In http://www.htc.com/select_country.htm, select your country and then click on the Support tab.
Thank you once again for your continued patronage.
Best regards,
Europe customer support team
HTC Corp. Global Service Division

This is so bad.
It is 2009 and I never want to setup windows on my PC again. Working and reliable upgrades should be Microsoft's next focus.

Hi there. I have upgraded my Shift's Vista to Windows 7 and thankfully you where absolutely wrong.
I just wrote down my experiences here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4376405#post4376405
The upgrade took long 3 hours but afterwards everything went well. Seems like Microsoft improved the upgrade procedure in Windows 6.x more than the people expected.

LordDeath said:
Hi there. I have upgraded my Shift's Vista to Windows 7 and thankfully you where absolutely wrong.
I just wrote down my experiences here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4376405#post4376405
The upgrade took long 3 hours but afterwards everything went well. Seems like Microsoft improved the upgrade procedure in Windows 6.x more than the people expected.
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Thanks for your experiences note. I appreciate it.
Thanks
Ram