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I have actually windows XP and Windows VISTA installed in my PC. I never had problems upgrading Roms using windows xp. However, today, the upgrade utility failled in windows VISTA. When the upg utlity goes for upgrading (after checking and sowed the rom instaled in the device), WIN VISTA close the app. So that, the wizard is left in BL mode and nothin more happens.
Does anyone get successfully upgrade the wizard using VISTA?
Thank you
No, its not working.
Confirmed, not working.
Flashing ROM's + Vista = NOPE!
Hi folks,
I can also confirm that flashing ROM's with Windows Vista does not work.
I tried different compatability settings but no chance.
I am working with the final version of Windows© Vista Ultimate RTM...had the same problems with the Vista betas.
dual boot or vm w/ xp
yes not supported yet by htc
i remember emailing htc about this issue and they said they currently have no plans to make the rom utillities compatible in running windows vista!
So, If they have no plans to make upg utilities Vista compatibles. I would say HTC needs a upgrade. for now any similar company are working hard to make their softs vista compatible.
Yeah, this really sucks for me since I have been running Vista exclusively since the RTM came out.
d'oh...that sucks...I just upgraded to Vista last week.
I think the reason that htc is not supporting vista rom upgrade compatablity is because crossbow will conduct upgrades from the platform/unit itself. I think i've read it somewhere.
hiimcliff said:
I think the reason that htc is not supporting vista rom upgrade compatablity is because crossbow will conduct upgrades from the platform/unit itself. I think i've read it somewhere.
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Can see if you can find that article. I am curious on how that is going to work.
that's funny because they promised that for the original release of WM5 also.
Microsoft... they make me giggle with their blown deadlines and empty promises.
-Mc
its the photon version he is talking about bink article
Scratch VMWARE
Downloaded and installed VMWARE v6 build 36983 on my windows Vista machine. Running Vista Ultimate build 6.0.6000 (MS Technet Direct download).
Installed Windows XP SP2 into VMWARE and got all updates, patches, etc...
Installed ActiveSync 4.2 on the virtual XP 'puter...
Attached HTC Wizard (Cingular 8125) via USB and activesync picked up device. Wow! this is gonna work (so I thought)
Went to flash rom and it started out well enough... Phone went to load the rom screen, and then I get the "VMWARE workstation unrecoverable error" message... Rom didn't even start to load (thankfully) and I just pulled battery and turned phone back on... No prob...
Haven't had time to look at the dump yet to see what went wrong, but as of now, VMWARE doesn't appear to be an option either....
Anyone else tried VMWARE??
Come on ppl, someone out there smarter than me has had to try the VMWARE thing besides me and gotten it to work
Maybe once Vista is finally "released" to the masses, not just us "technet" or "MSDN" subscribers, support will magically appear...
As an aside, (for those thinking about getting Vista and Office 2K7) you can get Technet Direct Plus for about $290-$300 if you shop around... Sure, you have to download and make your own media, but you save about $100-$150 bucks for your trouble...
You get Vista and Office 2K7 Ultimate and can activate on up to 10 different machines... Also get XP, XP MCE, Office 2003, Exchange, etc....
In a german forum they are talking about flashing and that it is possible.
They did simunlock and flash WM& with vista.
http://www.ppc-welt.info/community/showthread.php?t=109541&highlight=vista
vista ruu works...
did you guys follow these steps? ultimate works fine for me;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=291723
here's a wiki;
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Trinity_WindowsVista
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So, If they have no plans to make upg utilities Vista compatibles. I would say HTC needs a upgrade. for now any similar company are working hard to make their softs vista compatible.
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No plans for vista from my company either. Ever. Not until MS fixes their anti-competitive problems like driver signing, and stops imposing DRM crap on system functions. Just because a company releases some new platform does not mean it will have software support. If you want a functional platform look into Linux or XP. Both of witch have massive software support.
Most of the Apps I write run on OS X & Linux which have strong cross platform compatibility. XP is just a side OS, and buggy at that, with no cross platform compatibility. Vista more so. I would never recoup costs by developing for Vista so there is no point in it. It would be a tax write off and a waste of time and resources. Until Microsoft releases a platform that does what it is supposed to, and that is function as a platform, and not an advertising bus load of crap, then it will gain more support by independent software companies.
The purpose of a platform is to run software. If it cannot do that, then it is worthless. The function of a computer is to increase productivity, and make life easier. If Vista cannot do that, then ditch it, and get a platform that works. Stop expecting the world to evolve around a single company. If M$ was bombed with nukes tomorrow, the world would have to learn how to use a computer instead of playing with one. I would laugh, then run down the street naked shouting rejoice.
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No plans for vista from my company either. Ever. Not until MS fixes their anti-competitive problems like driver signing, and stops imposing DRM crap on system functions. Just because a company releases some new platform does not mean it will have software support. If you want a functional platform look into Linux or XP. Both of witch have massive software support.
Most of the Apps I write run on OS X & Linux which have strong cross platform compatibility. XP is just a side OS, and buggy at that, with no cross platform compatibility. Vista more so. I would never recoup costs by developing for Vista so there is no point in it. It would be a tax write off and a waste of time and resources. Until Microsoft releases a platform that does what it is supposed to, and that is function as a platform, and not an advertising bus load of crap, then it will gain more support by independent software companies.
The purpose of a platform is to run software. If it cannot do that, then it is worthless. The function of a computer is to increase productivity, and make life easier. If Vista cannot do that, then ditch it, and get a platform that works. Stop expecting the world to evolve around a single company. If M$ was bombed with nukes tomorrow, the world would have to learn how to use a computer instead of playing with one. I would laugh, then run down the street naked shouting rejoice.
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Yes, cause I'm certain that syncing our phones and flashing the roms works much better in Linux or OS X than it does in Vista or XP.
I can say that I have been running Vista since before it was released, XP likewise. I have had very little trouble with either of them not running software. The ROM update program for our phones is one of the few pieces of software (outside of security and some utility type apps) that I've seen be a problem with Vista. Most of the problems that do arise are from the new security features preventing software from running in ways that it probably shouldn't have been programmed to in the first place (like trying to run as session 0 or mucking with the kernel).
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Yes, cause I'm certain that syncing our phones and flashing the roms works much better in Linux or OS X than it does in Vista or XP.
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Under Linux, yes, it would be much easier, and the research would be easier as well. My staff flashes close to 20 routers a day with Linux boxen. Very easy to do.
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I can say that I have been running Vista since before it was released, XP likewise. I have had very little trouble with either of them not running software. The ROM update program for our phones is one of the few pieces of software (outside of security and some utility type apps) that I've seen be a problem with Vista. Most of the problems that do arise are from the new security features preventing software from running in ways that it probably shouldn't have been programmed to in the first place (like trying to run as session 0 or mucking with the kernel).
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From your reply it seems like you are a end user, and not a developer, and probably have no idea what driver signing is, what it involves, and how DRM crippled Vista really is, especially if you are using < Ultimate edition.
When it comes to flashing phones, this is why the carriers are NOT going to support Vista for a while, if not ever. You could quite easily brick a phone because of some subvertive driver function that M$ has no public documentation on. Thats why my company doesn't support vista with our routers.
Hello Gurus!
I am considering buying a new laptop as I am tired of my limitations with tweaking my phone using my MAC. Since Windows XP is being phased out as we speak, just wondering if I am going to have tons of driver issues when trying to sync and make changes with the Vista OS running?
I can 'maybe' find a laptop running XP, but Vista is super easy to find. Any thoughts??
Tack på förhand!
Scarlet
I don't have any problems using Windows Vista to connect to my ATT Tilt. Syncing via Windows Mobile Device Center works as it should. And I don't have any problems flashing various ROMs either.
The only issue I think there was is in the Cooking arena but I think even that was taken care of.
I'm running Vista Business with a TYTNII with no problems at all right now
Only thing to remember is that ActiveSync has now been replaced with Windows Mobile Device Centre
Ive got Vista Ultimate 64Bit and have no problems at all. there is a 64bit version of windows mobile device center as well as 32 bit and its far better and easier to use than XP's activesync.
In fact its easier becuae all you do is plug your phone into the usb and vista will find it and download the drivers needed for your phone. when windows mobile device center opens it will know what mobile your using and have a picture of it on the left hand side.
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n218/dolbe666/WMDC.jpg
SVIK73 said:
Hello Gurus!
I am considering buying a new laptop as I am tired of my limitations with tweaking my phone using my MAC. Since Windows XP is being phased out as we speak, just wondering if I am going to have tons of driver issues when trying to sync and make changes with the Vista OS running?
I can 'maybe' find a laptop running XP, but Vista is super easy to find. Any thoughts??
Tack på förhand!
Scarlet
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No problem there, whatsoever. I use my Vario III with my Vista Ultimate laptop and flash ROMs like a maniac! ;-) Syncing in Vista is easy, fast, and works intuitively.
However, what you'll have to do first (at least to my understanding) in order to be able to flash ROMS in Vista is this.
Not a big deal though and worked well for me.
Hope this helps.
har de bra.
Regards,
H.
I have a Vista Home Pro machine and did not think twice if it would work or not.
It works without any issues.
Tack för hjälpen!
Okay, so I will need to do what the link showed to flash a new ROM right? The syncing shouldn't be a problem out the box ...
Thanks for all the quick and really informative responses! Thanks Dolbe for the screenshot ... I love the way your desktop looks!
Ha det bra to you too lesevich
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lesevich said:
No problem there, whatsoever. I use my Vario III with my Vista Ultimate laptop and flash ROMs like a maniac! ;-) Syncing in Vista is easy, fast, and works intuitively.
However, what you'll have to do first (at least to my understanding) in order to be able to flash ROMS in Vista is this.
Not a big deal though and worked well for me.
Hope this helps.
har de bra.
Regards,
H.
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I have just bought HTC tytn II but dont know how to sync it with my mac. can anyone provide any answers
You'll have to use The Missing Sync for Windows Mobile to sync all your calendars, tasks and contacts from your mac to your phone.
http://www.markspace.com/missingsync_windowsmobile.php
I used it with my 8525, and it worked without a problem. I've never tried it with my Tilt, but it should be the same.
Dave
yeah Missing Sync works great with Mac...you can sync more items than ActiveSync offers for Windows. Such as text messages...
Wow! I was expecting to browse this thread and see a ton of replies flaming Mac. Good to see the professionalism showing.
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Wow! I was expecting to browse this thread and see a ton of replies flaming Mac. Good to see the professionalism showing.
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Well i am a MS fan, always been a user since the first time i used a computer, but am now employed by Apple (no, i refuse to use that iPhone, its truly not as good as people say it is), and to admit, there are many things Apple is better at than MS, but Mobile, Windows Mobile remains on top only because its so open.
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I have just bought HTC tytn II but dont know how to sync it with my mac. can anyone provide any answers
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you can try eltima syncmate. right now its still in beta. feature wise and simplicity I like it better than missing sync but that's just me.
When I had Tiger, the one thing missing sync had above syncmate was its ability to open my device as a disk in mac os x. But with leopard, this has been disabled (missing sync 4.02) You can read through the missing sync change log about this. If you still use tiger, try and get the last missing sync v3. If you have leopard, i'd advise using syncmate since it's free though there are still some bugs (i mainly use contacts sync and no issues there)
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Wow! I was expecting to browse this thread and see a ton of replies flaming Mac. Good to see the professionalism showing.
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There is no need to flame Macs. They are now capable of running their own OS as well as a working one (how's that for professionalism )
Ok, I'm just a sarcastic jerk. I actually have a Vista computer, an iMac G5, my Tilt and I have an iPhone again (which is going on Craigslist...again!). I don't know how to synchronize with the Mac so I just use the PC. I couldn't care any less which of the computers I use. They both work.
wow! i'm glad tytn II can be synced with Mac! coz my Vista just crashed on me a few hours ago without any good reason but thank God it miraculously got revived!
so i'm really skeptical of Windows and plan on jumping over to Mac if ever any nonsense from Windows/Vista comes up again..
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I have just bought HTC tytn II but dont know how to sync it with my mac. can anyone provide any answers
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I have owned a qtek 9000, an HTC MeTeor, an HTC TyTN ll, and All have been WinMobile 5, smartphones, or WinMobile 6 Professional devices, and I can honestly say, that The Missing sync (on My MacBOOk Pro, OS X 10.5.6), I have had SIGNIFIGANT SYNCING ISSUES, AND SIGNIFANT BLUETOOTH ISSUES, THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE even been in the equation as I was cradled with a USB. I have tried it 6 ways from Sunday on at least 4 or 5 different devices and not fared much better. I am wondering if I brave enough to try to flas my ROM on my TyTN ll to the current version, but do it running Windows XP on my MAC through VMWarefusion (I think it would be easier than trying to do it with Parralells or Boot Camp) but honestly, I haven;t heard from anyone that has ever updated a ROM on Winmobile 5 or 6 device from a MAC. If you have, I would forever be in your debt to know how they did it and how it worked? Cheers, Shogunzero
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I have owned a qtek 9000, an HTC MeTeor, an HTC TyTN ll, and All have been WinMobile 5, smartphones, or WinMobile 6 Professional devices, and I can honestly say, that The Missing sync (on My MacBOOk Pro, OS X 10.5.6), I have had SIGNIFIGANT SYNCING ISSUES, AND SIGNIFANT BLUETOOTH ISSUES, THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE even been in the equation as I was cradled with a USB. I have tried it 6 ways from Sunday on at least 4 or 5 different devices and not fared much better. I am wondering if I brave enough to try to flas my ROM on my TyTN ll to the current version, but do it running Windows XP on my MAC through VMWarefusion (I think it would be easier than trying to do it with Parralells or Boot Camp) but honestly, I haven;t heard from anyone that has ever updated a ROM on Winmobile 5 or 6 device from a MAC. If you have, I would forever be in your debt to know how they did it and how it worked? Cheers, Shogunzero
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It is not possible to flash from the Mac side, Leopard will not run the .exe's.
I have an Intel Imac running Windows XP through Bootcamp. I sync through Active Sync 4,5 to my Windows desktop with never a problem. I have also flashed many roms, radios, and upgrades also, and have never had a problem at all.
Since I run my business off of my Mac. I also need to sync my phone to my Mac side. What problems have you encountered ? Missing sync has been way better than AS for me. Never a problem.
Parallels is crap. Crappy software, crappy company. Bootcamp is way better and free. I can't believe I actually paid for Parallels.
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It is not possible to flash from the Mac side, Leopard will not run the .exe's.
I have an Intel Imac running Windows XP through Bootcamp. I sync through Active Sync 4,5 to my Windows desktop with never a problem. I have also flashed many roms, radios, and upgrades also, and have never had a problem at all.
Since I run my business off of my Mac. I also need to sync my phone to my Mac side. What problems have you encountered ? Missing sync has been way better than AS for me. Never a problem.
Parallels is crap. Crappy software, crappy company. Bootcamp is way better and free. I can't believe I actually paid for Parallels.
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Im sure its possible, as you CAN flash using tty on other devices under Linux. Dont forget, macs come standard with ssh/tty ( as they are Unix ).
Ive not done it on a kaiser yet ( Hardspl allows you to flash via MicroSD which is not only faster but a MUCH MUCH more stable way to do it ) But i remember messing with the roms on my hermes ( goofing with mobile linux ).
Im on a C2D Macbook Pro. I sync using MissingSync. I do ALL flashing by copying the nbh to the MicroSD. This is your safest, fastest, most efficient way of flashing ( Much faster than runing an exe on a windows system ). If you need help on how, shoot me a PM =)
Just a sidenote.....
POF made the HERMflasher and im SURE he has to have something available for the kaiser by now You might try to shoot him a PM to see if he has a source you could compile and port to the kaiser. If it can be done under linux, then more than likely you can do it under BSD Unix
When I asked this question last spring, the general concensus was possible, probably, but the tools weren't there yet. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=393869
I have never flashed from an SD card before. Just takes ten minutes on the PC in Win XP, never had a hitch, resistant to new ways I guess
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When I asked this question last spring, the general concensus was possible, probably, but the tools weren't there yet. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=393869
I have never flashed from an SD card before. Just takes ten minutes on the PC in Win XP, never had a hitch, resistant to new ways I guess
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Rohit8282 has a mac............. not xp. Simply telling him some useful information. Also, flashing via SD takes at most 5 minutes. There is NO RISK at all involving a data connection disruption OR power failures.
Just more helpful info
The OP was from a year ago, shogunzero searched and picked up this thread. ( yea, a noob who actually searched, good job) He has the same set up as me, running an Intel Mac with a partioned disk , running OSX Leopard on one side and Windows XP on the other side.
Suffice it to say , you cannot run the Kaiser RUU and flash Spl from OSX. Once you have SPL flashed on your phone , you can download custom roms onto OSX and transfer he files to your SD card and flash from your card.
Since I personally spend equal amounts of time on OSX and XP, I just do all my flashing and phone play from XP. Microsoft plays nice with Microsoft (why upset Bill and Steve)
If you are just updating your stock TyNT II rom then you can do it safely from your SDcard, If you want to flash a custom rom you need to initially use XP to flash HardSpl.
It is just as safe.
And if like pyraxiate, your really sweating that extra 5 mins, I just have an extra cup of coffee
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The OP was from a year ago, shogunzero searched and picked up this thread. ( yea, a noob who actually searched, good job) He has the same set up as me, running an Intel Mac with a partioned disk , running OSX Leopard on one side and Windows XP on the other side.
Suffice it to say , you cannot run the Kaiser RUU and flash Spl from OSX. Once you have SPL flashed on your phone , you can download custom roms onto OSX and transfer he files to your SD card and flash from your card.
Since I personally spend equal amounts of time on OSX and XP, I just do all my flashing and phone play from XP. Microsoft plays nice with Microsoft (why upset Bill and Steve)
If you are just updating your stock TyNT II rom then you can do it safely from your SDcard, If you want to flash a custom rom you need to initially use XP to flash HardSpl.
It is just as safe.
And if like pyraxiate, your really sweating that extra 5 mins, I just have an extra cup of coffee
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LOL im with you on the coffee part, but the main reason I flash Via SD is because I flash about once or twice a week, and I keep a folder of roms as well as a folder of radios on the sdcard itself. If im out, I can swap things around at any time ( and because im an on-the-go technician this is a good thing). I can download the roms and install without ever using a computer. Very useful if one doesnt have windows at all
But, im having my cup of coffee now and flashing as we speak ( trying out a PDACorner Rom )
Being a noob at card flashing, you have a card that is just dedicated to roms ? You don't load roms on to your everyday card with music, ringtones and backups, and flash from that do you?
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Being a noob at card flashing, you have a card that is just dedicated to roms ? You don't load roms on to your everyday card with music, ringtones and backups, and flash from that do you?
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I do have multiple cards , but my last 10 flashes have been from my everyday card. I keep a folder inside called flash and inside flash are 3 subfolders ( Roms, Radios, Hard-SPL). I copy all of the nbh files to the appropriate directory path, then rename them to something id recognize like HDIII.nbh, L26M2D.nbh, PDAV14.nbh and for radios use the radio number. when I go to flash, simply copy/paste the rom/radio (HDIII.nbh) to the root of the SD card and rename it to KAISIMG.nbh ( do not cut/paste as you wil want the original later). just reset into botloader and viola there you go. flashing made easy hehe. (all but flashing SPL...thats done a tad differently from sd)
If you have any other questions feel free to ask
PS
I use 2x 8gb card and no issues yet (maybe 1K flashes now haha)
Syncmate
I've just read a review about Syncmate, a free software to sync win mobile devices and Mac Os.
Read on: http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=2577
Ciao, Francesco
About to purchase a new laptop. Not much of a programmer, but a bit of a "power user" (for a businessperson) - do everything from graphics in Corel and Adobe products to large, intensive presentations to basic/intermediate web design. Getting a relatively powerful system for a business notebook (Lenovo - 2.4 GHz, 3 GB memory, 250 MB hard drive, etc.), but struggling in the decision between XP and Vista (Business or Ultimate). Very comfortable with XP and happy with performance and capabilities. Read a lot about the two operating systems and feel relatively confident that I want to stick with XP, but I kind of hate to stick with "older" technology. Cooking my own ROMs now for the Tilt and it seems there are definitely issues (although perhaps minor) working with some of the tools on Vista. Any strong feelings on this issue from any of the experts that frequent XPA?
I'm my own boss, so no issues with corporate requirements or compatibility and software compatibility issues are minimal. It seems truly to be a personal preference issue - unless someone points out an issue I hadn't considered. Looked around the site for thoughts, but haven't come upon anything.
Thanks in advance for any opinions you have.
I'm currenty using XP skinned with the Vista appearance and a black theme. Looks great (no Fisher-Price colours) and it's stable and everything runs on it just fine.
It will be a while before I use Vista - it's just too flaky right now.
i have a laptop with vista and it's ok
but then it came with vista so i can get drivers for everything and it runs ok
but i would never put vista on my desktop as drivers would likely be
an issue
and i would prob find some incompatability with some software too
so by having both i can get by
I have both on my desktop. Vista home premium and xp home. I use vista and only vista. It is fine for me, the only problem is itunes load in a weird windows, until u restore or minimise it then its normal. oh and it wants to scan and fix anythin i plug in...
but apart frm that its fine.
Id rather use activesync than wmdc though
Rory
as vista will be the common os in next few months, before buying a laptop go to the manufacturer's website and ensure that particular model is supplied with all drivers for vista.
many notebooks will come with linux.
btw vista business should be best for you.
acer has come up with some very good notebooks. although i have none of them but i will highly recommend an acer.
Vista on all computers at home, Xp pro at work, WM6 Pro on my PPC. Only problem I had with Vista was, I couldn't play BioShock.....
If you have the processing power (Core2 minimum, 2gb plus of memory) Vista will be OK- personally I ran it for months and found that it reduced my older but still reasonable system to a very basic mess.. no gaming, terrrible power users performance for video editing, image manipulation; it was only good for browsing the web and email.
I was so sick of it that I went back to XP as a last resort before I bought some new kit.. turns out that was all I needed- I can do everything I want apart from play the latest games, but otherwsie its great to have my PC back.
XP SP3 will do pretty much everything you want it to, and if it doesn't you'll be able to find out quickly and easily whats going on.
Vista will look pretty but suck all the performance out of a perfectly good machine and cause you never ending frustrations with access restrictions and drivers not being available. I'd sit it out until Windows 7.
XP or XP or even XP
I build and maintain computers for people and one or two small businesses and I would say I have stripped about fifteen machines all told of Vista and (IMHO ) Upgraded to XP go around the computer tech sites and you will find plenty of people bad mouthing Vista which is also why Dell has re started offering XP as a OS.
Its bad for working with older Peripherals and not so good if your networking with other OS's
I use vista at home and at work. i use 64 bit at work with SP1 and soon will be on 64 bit vista with SP1 at home. i prefer vista over xp, especially with the service pack. I reccomend using vista. xp was a great release though, that's for sure.
What advantages do you find it gives you Zach? I haven't seen anything apart from very, very minor inerface tweaks that I've really missed since reverting back to XP; what about Vista makes it worth the upgrade over XP to you?
i would say get xp pro and skin it with vista graphics and such with windows blinds i dont really see a big difference between the two except vista doesnt have drivers for some things and vista does kind of complicate things an that asking me for crap(yes i know you can take it off but wtf) and also oe time i couldnt delete something because i didnt have administrative rights im the only user on the pc who else would have it plus xp pro you would probably be more familiar with
xp dont have dx10 vista does
of cause my video card dont support dx10 and non of the games i play use dx10 so i dont care too much
I know a couple of people who have worked around the dx10 issues with XP, so thats not really a deal breaker.
I am running both, and I am happy with each doing its own set of jobs. for my programming needs and video processing I stick with XP because it isn't bogged down with the overhead of the new stuff. I also think XP is more trustworthy in terms of knowing exactly what the os itself is trying to do over your internet connection.
Vista is very good at my leisure uses. I always use it for web surfing or web coding. It handles my various connections over wifi and bluetooth much better than my XP sp3(rc2) machines. The features in vista although small enhancements are still good to have. A good example of this is that explorer seems to be multithreaded now. In XP if I do so large copy and paste operation then that instance of explorer does not allow me to do other tasks fully on the open folder. In vista the file copying seems to be separate from the normal use of explorer. It also does multiple concurrent copy operations properly where XP would not.
I find all pcs today very overpowered for what the majority of users need, so the overhead of vista may not be noticed too much. Having said all that I must confess that I turn off UAC and all the other built in protections and run as an administrator in vista. Not doing that is really intolerable.
Like Vista's looks, but its LastXP ver. 17.1.1 for me!
Windows Vista Service Pack 1 has been released.
2 cents:
With my Laptop you can slide out the Hard Drive from the side. I have two hard drives. One with XP Pro SP3 and the other with Vista Ultimate SP1.
I soo much Prefer XP Pro.
Hi,
Seems like my user profile is really similar to OP's. I do some light graphic design with photoshop, some stuff in Flash, a little web design, a lot of powerpoint, excel, use outlook with business contacts manager to do project management, and keep three devices synced. I use vista for this and have had no problems with it. THe kind of specced out system he wants to buy will have no problems handling the reqs for vista's fancy graphics stuff. I also like the file exploring and control panel interface better in vista than I do in XP. My vote on OS is go for vista business, no problems with any of the CS3 suite and office 2007 is one of the best software packages I have ever come across. The constantly asking for permission to do stuff is really easily turned off guys...
I do want to advise against getting a lenovo though. I have one and I hate it. The rescue recovery stuff will steal about 30 ggigs of your hard drive (that is so not an exageration), the batteries suck and completely crap out after a year (google that), loaded with bloatware and other junk you can't get of, it gets hot as hell and it weighs a ton. IBM was great, Lenovo is junk. Go for an Acer, I have two of them and I love them. Better performance, lighter, nicer keyboards, etc.
Sorry for the long post!
I've got a vaio with the specs you suggest, 3gb-250gb-core duo t8100 speedstep and 2.10ghz (vgn-nr21z) with vista service pack 1.
It will do everything you want fine.
I would suggest you set up a dual boot with xp and keep that for all things WM (it's just easier).
I agree with having both XP and Vista on your laptop using dual boot. While I have both Vista Ultimate and Xp (Sp3); I rarely boot into XP. Have it just incase, but really haven't found any need to use XP. I also have Vista Ultimate on three or four of my desktops at home and they run without issue. Microsoft says many PC will not run Vista, but most will install and recently most drivers are available. Yes, Vista runs better with more ram and faster cpu, but memory is really cheap these days. Also, Vista can run in XP compatibilty mode if you happen to come across and app that won't install. yes, Vista will ask if you want to proceed, but just shut off UAC and no more questions.
I run the Adobe CS3 suite without issues, actually it runs faster in Vista, run Office 2007 pro, MS Project, MS Visual Studio, C++ and Several X windows apps and no issues.
The best thing about Vista is its ability to Multi-Thread. Can copy gigs of data, while still surfing the net or using MS office. CS3 is just so much faster.
But hey if XP is your thing, go for XP
Hello Everyone,
I recently got my HTC Shift with Windows Vista Pre Loaded and it always seems to me a bit slow while running many stuffs together such as messenger with Internet explorer together. I don't tried loading any other windows yet. Can someone please confirm which is suferfast on HTC Shift? i.e; XP, Vista or Win7?
Thank you for your help....
In me experience XP is fastest, follwed by W7, and miles behind Vista. Currently I'm running Vista though...I tend to change every 6 weeks or so...I find once Vista has loaded ( a long time!) it isn't too bad for normal surfing or word processing. W7 started much quicker but I had some issues with it always trying to find the snapvue modem and not allowing me to access WiFi...a bizarre issue.
May go back to XP but I really like the resolution changer in Vista/W7.
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May go back to XP but I really like the resolution changer in Vista/W7.
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Do you mean we are not able to change the display resolution in windows XP like in vista...?
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Do you mean we are not able to change the display resolution in windows XP like in vista...?
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To me, W7 is the best compromise. You have all the functions, including touch screen writing, and better speed.
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Do you mean we are not able to change the display resolution in windows XP like in vista...?
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Some of us had issues getting a resolution fix to work with our devices...so in Xp there is no standard way to change resolution. I agree with thaihugo that W7 is the best compromise and will buy a proper upgrade when it comes out (retail).
There is one thing you should know about windows 7 before loading it on your shift. It's terribly unstable for games, especially older ones.
I was able to get world of warcraft running on it, but every other classic game I've tried so far, crashes windows 7.
For everything that isn't gaming related, Windows 7 is great. But Windows Vista is the only operating system which will actually use the hardware of your shift in the right way.
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Win 7 new build
Are there still problems using Windows 7 newer builds on HTC Shift ?
On RC1 I had the following problems: Using or not using AERO, it crashes when accessing Windows Media Center [BSOD], also when runing AERO and button-switch resolutions.
Please if any post, say what build are you using and the problems you have.
I really really want to get along with Win7 on my HTC Shift but as much as I worked to fix those problems it still doesn't work properly.
PS: I will install Win7 in aprox 2weeks when the RTM release is on, and I want Ubuntu 9.04 too with dual boot.
I do NOT game with my HTC Shift, I use Windows for programming and stuff, and Ubuntu for browsing and some ssh. I really hope that Microsoft fix these problems and Windows 7 will run with no problems on HTC Shift
I absolutley LOVE W7 RC1 7100 on Shift, (and my PC's and my tablets, and my laptops for that matter). Any XP or Vista lovers, take note of W7 and start to migrate there
WinMedCetner works IF you dont maximize to full screen, but you can stretch the window to almost full screen. (I know, sucky, but hey, its an answer right?)
Also, I can get the bubbles screen saver to work on shift, but you are all right, AERO does crash it....Not the worst of things to have to give up in my opinion, becuase I still get the Hover Thumbnail Preview for running Applications.
As for games, I'm not your man...I strictly stick to business programs, but have not had any problems with anythign I use, and there is a long list I ahve installed.
My vote is Go for W7! The absolute BEST thing you can do to your Shift!
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I absolutley LOVE W7 RC1 7100 on Shift, (and my PC's and my tablets, and my laptops for that matter). Any XP or Vista lovers, take note of W7 and start to migrate there
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Thnx mate i am installing win7 now to my shift i am installing RC and let me see the magic
I will later also try to install win XP. actually my main concern is the most available ram to run my softwares... I run Yahoo, MSN, Internet Security and bunch of other programs....
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Here's the thing about windows 7. It seems that almost all of the issues that people have, are somehow related to the way win7 handles the shift's video drivers. What this means is, there's a strong chance that anything which requires graphical resources may end up blue screening the shift. This doesn't happen with vista. I'm not sure about XP, but it's a glaring problem for windows 7.
I know windows 7 wasn't designed for the shift, however, it's a shame to have the added efficiency of windows 7 on the shift, with such a disabling exception. Frankly, all of these issues are most certainly related to how windows 7 tries to use the shift's video accelerator.
My logic is, if Vista can do it, Windows 7 should technically be able to as well, the only problem is, Microsoft isn't in charge of driver research for the shift, HTC is. And to HTC, this is of no urgency, for more than one reason.
The shift isn't meant to run Win7, is the first reason, secondly, all development into the Shift and it's drivers has been abandoned. Basically, I don't think enough people bought a shift, which caused HTC to take the "good enough" attitude towards it. They're not going to put anymore effort into improving a device that *while cool and all* is far inferior to most netbooks out today.
Sure, the Shift is a pretty cool device after you come to XDA and enable the phone options and such, but frankly, it's half as powerful as a comparitively priced netbook, and out of the box, not as versatile on account of it's poor processing power. It's been labelled as a tablet PC, and only to it's user base is it known as so much more than that.
The possibilities of the shift are very great, but the effort needed to reach those possibilities is more than what is available today.
Personally, I'd like to see the shift have a second chance, and it would be cool if HTC felt the same. But from what I've seen on behalf of HTC, this is a cold case file for them. I guess I'll have to see what I can get done on my own from China, tonnes of talented programmers here who should be able to churn out results. I'm even prepared to begin hiring a couple programmers who've been affected by the financial crisis, and see about solving some issues which could most certainly be worked out.
This driver issue, is one that by all means of reason, should be solvable, so long as there is no severe OS function which is fundamentally flawed between Vista and Win7, as far as the Shift is concerned.
I suppose the next question would be, if I did try to get a project like this going, what other ideas of improvements could be thought of to improve the shift experience? I know people would like to see BT, Wifi and SD cards on the winmo side, that unfortunately would be an ongoing effort whereas I'm more concerned with working on finishable projects during the resolution of greater issues like winmo's BTWiFiSD problem.
Any ideas, or support would be greatly appreciated.
My next step, and possibly the most difficult, will be convincing my wife that buying another shift (for the programmers to work on) is actually a worthwhile thing. She's not into tech, and doesn't much like my addiction
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I like your enthusiasm with the Shift Caid. Truth be told its only Shift fans who know its goodness. Its like owning a Jeep. Nobody else can understand and when people ask questions they are simply told "IT'S A JEEP THING". So I guess ours too "IS A SHIFT THING". We still cherish our underpowered gadget even knowing its limitations. But honestly can I buy another Shift? I dont know. Even if my current shift was to somehow explode and burn into ashes I dont think I would replace it with another shift. Or maybe I would! But as long as I have it I will love it and continue to improve it.....
The biggest advantage with the Shift is when you plug a car charger into the cigarete lighter. There aren't many full fledged comps that you can charge with a 12V DC socket, you know.... I know there are DC-AC converters but thats a story for another day!
Now if only we can get a solution for BT-SD-Wifi winmo side........
Can I install Windows Vista Ultimate on the Shift. Love it.
Thanks
Hmm, I installes all of them, the most native. (Vista as an Upgrade to SP2 and Office 2007 SP2) And: It is the slowest what I known.
Windows 7 is nice, but with the newest RC we must rebuild the HowTo for installing Windows 7, some of the old original HTC Vista Homepage drivers not needed anymore.
best practice for all members here is, to make a Windows XP Slipstream to SP3, the modify the slipstreamed TabletPC Edition source with the programm nlite (and remove many not neccersary drivers and thems and so on, and build a bootable USB Stick Version with the small tool winsetupfromusb.
If work all together and have a look to the "last session" File of nlite, all people can have a really nice and "the fastest" and most compatible Windows XP Tablet edition multilanguage of all time.
Ans the builders of this perfect solution don´t need share their own TabletPC Edition product key, lets only have a look to the *.ini file of Nlite building, and many Ideas come together ;-)