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HTC diamond home plugin

Hi everyone,
i truely believe the new 3d Touchflo is a piece of art technology, however, could anyone here kindly to link me how to install the previous HTC home plugin ...coz i found it's more easy to use at this moment.
thks alot

search my friend
http://www.google.com/custom?num=10...:forum.xda-developers.com+htchomeplug&spell=1
Rory

chocodip said:
Hi everyone,
i truely believe the new 3d Touchflo is a piece of art technology, however, could anyone here kindly to link me how to install the previous HTC home plugin ...coz i found it's more easy to use at this moment.
thks alot
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The HTC CIO may be curled up in a corner crying now...

crying?
i think he has tears in his eyes from laughing.
why do a lot of people always insist that older is better.
touchflo 3d has way more options and is much fingerfriendlier than the old version.
so just a tip: do not use your stylus, but use your fingers. you will find that using the touch flo 3d really is a lot easier

looks beautiful runs terrible
i gave up! touchflow 3D, simply too slow and couldnt catch up with my finger.
will leave it for showing off when demo to friends only...

Yeah, it's not easier at all. It's much more work to get to the media player now, where as I could assign it to a hardware key on the Kaiser. Navigating the Kaiser with keyboard mnemonics was definitely faster and easier. TouchFLO 3D requires so much more finger/hand/eye movement in order to access the same information that would have been already on your screen right away.
I also hate having to scroll through all of the Cities in the US in order to get to Yonkers, NY for the weather. It was way easier when I could just type the name of the City in the HTC Home plug in. These iPhone-style lists are horribly frustrating to use.

I, think the regular touchflo is simpler to use because it is exactly that (simple) & boring... a few tabs and thats it. However TouchFlo3D has much more options, looks sweet, touch friendly & interactive; the fact that it takes more time to getting use to or figuring out does not bother me at all.
With this new plugin I rarely see the windows UI and I think that makes a huge difference, at least for me it does.
Another point to consider is how you use the device or what for? I use it primarily for the web, weather, texting & GPS & all of these are extremely easy for me to get to. As far as the extra scrolling to choose a specific city under weather should not be in issue, I set my city & a couple others in no-time when I got my phone and that's it no more scrolling.

I remember some time ago nokia, samsung, SE, mortorola etc all the big names done some stuidies and figured out the max number of key presses it should take to get to ANY menu option. It seems with all this fancy scrolling lists and interfaces thats lost now.
Even in an iphone - which you may hate, but is probably the best touch interface - its not exactly fast to get to things.

someone1234 said:
I remember some time ago nokia, samsung, SE, mortorola etc all the big names done some stuidies and figured out the max number of key presses it should take to get to ANY menu option. It seems with all this fancy scrolling lists and interfaces thats lost now.
Even in an iphone - which you may hate, but is probably the best touch interface - its not exactly fast to get to things.
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I've said this before - in experiments comparing the iPhone and the old TouchFLO, it was faster on average to get to things using TouchFLO.
adamz said:
Yeah, it's not easier at all. It's much more work to get to the media player now, where as I could assign it to a hardware key on the Kaiser. Navigating the Kaiser with keyboard mnemonics was definitely faster and easier. TouchFLO 3D requires so much more finger/hand/eye movement in order to access the same information that would have been already on your screen right away.
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Well, the devices are aimed at completely different markets. HTC generally aim their devices with keyboards at business users, whereas the Touch Diamond is a high-end general consumer product.
slickvic said:
i gave up! touchflow 3D, simply too slow and couldnt catch up with my finger.
will leave it for showing off when demo to friends only...
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There are now tweaks that will speed up TouchFLO 3D quite a lot. Search this forum.

so......
will the old type of htc home plug in work with diamond?
i too was happy using it (on my trinity)
would be nice to have the choice
with the tabs you had people..weather apps...and more
so does anyone know before i bugger my diamond up

I think TouchFlow 3D is great, easy to use and looks very nice.
The only thing I'm missing are my tasks on the Todayscreen. On my Touch I used them as a reminder for certain things, but when you don't see them right away when turning on the phone they're useless.

I installed a Version of HTC Home Plugin earlier today on my dad's diamond and well... i guess it just isn't fit for a VGA Display. It is very small and the porportions are messed up. Anyone already tried to get HTC Home to work or knows of any VGA Version maybe?

I used to use Touch Commander on my Asus P750, as far as I'm concerned it's an exact copy which will work in VGA mode, as the P750 also had a VGA screen.
http://www.touch-commander.com/
But then again, with Dutty's ROM and the registry tweaks, TF3D runs pretty smooth.

Htc home vga
Samson711 said:
I installed a Version of HTC Home Plugin earlier today on my dad's diamond and well... i guess it just isn't fit for a VGA Display. It is very small and the porportions are messed up. Anyone already tried to get HTC Home to work or knows of any VGA Version maybe?
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Alright, I have had this issue too. Here is a cab for the Home Plugin for VGA devices (works on my TP).
I AM NOT TAKING CREDIT FOR THIS, JUST SHARING THE .CAB I FOUND SOMEWHERE ON THIS FORUM LOOKING FOR THIS. MADE BY PJC
Hope this helps out those who need it.
EDIT: For some reason could not upload file, nonetheless, I found the download, click on the link and download. http://rapidshare.com/files/128745613/PJC_HTCHome.cab
Also, for those that want the thread and updates from it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406418

Making the Kaiser as finger-friendly as possible

I'm not opposed to using the stylus by any means, and I knew when I bought the phone that it wasn't intended to be operated completely with your fingers - it's certainly no iPhone (and I mean that in the best way possible). However, there's certainly something to be said for the convenience of having something you can operate with your fingers alone, especially if you don't have a free hand to hold your phone while you use the stylus in the other to navigate.
So, with that in mind I'm looking for any recommendations on programs that can be used to make the Kaiser more finger-friendly. The only ones that come to mind immediately for me are S2U2, FFF and the various Cubes. What are the other options available?
Thanks in advance.

spb mobile shell 2 is as finger friendly as it gets, it includes a wide variety of tools so that you barely need too traverse outside of the shell

Yeah, I've been looking at that, definitely looks great for finger navigation. Just wish it weren't $30 Looks like I'll have to wait to pick it up, I'm a little low on cash seeing as I just bought my Kaiser.

I'd also vote for mobile shell....
but also the excellent pocketcm for contacts and phone stuff. (and this ones a freebie)

Touch Commander is pretty nice, but also commercial.

Finger friendly friends for your contacts - very finger friendly
http://www.jotto.no/fff/

TomTom Navigator 7 is pretty "finger friendly" IMO.

icontact
iContact (freeware on XDA) in its latest version (0.74) is fantastic. A little faster and a lot smaller memory footprint compared to pockemCM. Very iphone like (in a good way).
RK

inger Friendly
Take a look at Vito Winterface
http://vitotechnology.com/en/support/news/news_detail.php?ID=2069

You can check out ThrottleLauncher as well in the 'Hacking/Development' forums.
Free too.

There are alot of finger friendly apps out there and the software just keeps adding up on the internet daily then there was a year ago or when the kaiser came out for sale in 2007...there is so much great .cabs and software out there on the internet that youlll find everything you need especially finger gesturing applications easily. The great thing about the kaiser and why i think it stands higher in quality then alot of PPC/PDA's out there especially the iphone is the ability to download and use 3rd party applications out the box... i mean im sure the iphone has the capabillities for 3rd party apps, once you unlock..then jailbreak and all that other jazz that u have to do to the iphone before its capable of being a functional and useful phone and after all that i dont think it still has more then a handful o applications out there for it..deffinetly not as much software thats out there now for windows moble phones..but anywayz theres so much finger friendly software out there on the net intended to be for PPC's...so with that being said theres theres good apps that mimic the iphone finger gesturing...like TOUCHFLO or TOUCHFLO 3D, its software that comes preloaded now with all new htc phones so that you barely have to use your styluses....after i installed the newest touchflo software(its not touchflo 3D, but still just as good) i barely even use the sylus now. With this flo touch technology u can finger scroll through all applications, and there is certain software that is finger friendly and beatiful to watch and use your fingers and especialy the thumb movements like the icontacts app...its one of the best contact manager software and it mimics the iphones contact list application. You can flo through your whole contact list in 2 seconds and its free...and the new icontact has alot of new optionns like a quick favorites list that is like speed dial so i would suggest gettin icontacts 0.73 or .75 once you install touchflo newest free software. You wont get a more finger friendly contact manager....trust me youll never use another contact manager...and its backround and theme is black with white letters which goes with the black theme of the kaiser itself..but i think u can switch the colors around..other then that PIE is finger friendly once u install touchflo and also tom tom 7 gps software and the great HTC album aplication (photo and camera software) rivals and mimics the iphones photo app and i think blows the iphones picture software out the water..and theres so much other software out there that becomes so much more easier to flip through with ur fingers and thumb especially...and personally i never use the cube software i think its a waste of space and i have no use for it....htc home and other htc software for your today plugin screen is good enough...and youll notice other software is much more easier to scroll through once you have touchflo or the pay version of touchflo 3d because of the extra benefits...so enjoy and watch the ease of barely having to use your stylus...but dont forget our phones are ment for stylus's and theres nothing wrong with it...the iphone may not need a stylus but that phone has alot of short comings especialy when it comes to text messaging department, its horrible..ive tried it on friends phones and had the worst times trying to text..would take close to 5 minutes writing a 4 sentence message.. and all of my boys that have the iphone all tell me they wish the iphone didnt only have the on screen keyboard..once they play with my tilt and see the qwerty keyboard there envious to it...cuz the iphones on screen just cant compete, especialy if you have big fingers like me..basically it sucks dog balls, even the new iphone which " needed" to be upgraded to built in gps and 3G., the kaiser when it came out already came with all these luxuries..the iphone needed to "upgrade" to get those rescources so think about that..and just scour the software threads for any type of software u can think of and youll find it..later

have you tried this.
http://www.iwindowsmobile.com/vito-mobile-shell.html

moegdaog said:
There are alot of finger friendly apps out there and the software just keeps adding up on the internet daily then there was a year ago or when the kaiser came out for sale in 2007...there is so much great .cabs and software out there on the internet that youlll find everything you need especially finger gesturing applications easily. The great thing about the kaiser and why i think it stands higher in quality then alot of PPC/PDA's out there especially the iphone is the ability to download and use 3rd party applications out the box... i mean im sure the iphone has the capabillities for 3rd party apps, once you unlock..then jailbreak and all that other jazz that u have to do to the iphone before its capable of being a functional and useful phone and after all that i dont think it still has more then a handful o applications out there for it..deffinetly not as much software thats out there now for windows moble phones..but anywayz theres so much finger friendly software out there on the net intended to be for PPC's...so with that being said theres theres good apps that mimic the iphone finger gesturing...like TOUCHFLO or TOUCHFLO 3D, its software that comes preloaded now with all new htc phones so that you barely have to use your styluses....after i installed the newest touchflo software(its not touchflo 3D, but still just as good) i barely even use the sylus now. With this flo touch technology u can finger scroll through all applications, and there is certain software that is finger friendly and beatiful to watch and use your fingers and especialy the thumb movements like the icontacts app...its one of the best contact manager software and it mimics the iphones contact list application. You can flo through your whole contact list in 2 seconds and its free...and the new icontact has alot of new optionns like a quick favorites list that is like speed dial so i would suggest gettin icontacts 0.73 or .75 once you install touchflo newest free software. You wont get a more finger friendly contact manager....trust me youll never use another contact manager...and its backround and theme is black with white letters which goes with the black theme of the kaiser itself..but i think u can switch the colors around..other then that PIE is finger friendly once u install touchflo and also tom tom 7 gps software and the great HTC album aplication (photo and camera software) rivals and mimics the iphones photo app and i think blows the iphones picture software out the water..and theres so much other software out there that becomes so much more easier to flip through with ur fingers and thumb especially...and personally i never use the cube software i think its a waste of space and i have no use for it....htc home and other htc software for your today plugin screen is good enough...and youll notice other software is much more easier to scroll through once you have touchflo or the pay version of touchflo 3d because of the extra benefits...so enjoy and watch the ease of barely having to use your stylus...but dont forget our phones are ment for stylus's and theres nothing wrong with it...the iphone may not need a stylus but that phone has alot of short comings especialy when it comes to text messaging department, its horrible..ive tried it on friends phones and had the worst times trying to text..would take close to 5 minutes writing a 4 sentence message.. and all of my boys that have the iphone all tell me they wish the iphone didnt only have the on screen keyboard..once they play with my tilt and see the qwerty keyboard there envious to it...cuz the iphones on screen just cant compete, especialy if you have big fingers like me..basically it sucks dog balls, even the new iphone which " needed" to be upgraded to built in gps and 3G., the kaiser when it came out already came with all these luxuries..the iphone needed to "upgrade" to get those rescources so think about that..and just scour the software threads for any type of software u can think of and youll find it..later
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I hope you aren't offended but your writing needs severe sentence structure.

kmorris89 said:
I'm not opposed to using the stylus by any means, and I knew when I bought the phone that it wasn't intended to be operated completely with your fingers - it's certainly no iPhone (and I mean that in the best way possible). However, there's certainly something to be said for the convenience of having something you can operate with your fingers alone, especially if you don't have a free hand to hold your phone while you use the stylus in the other to navigate.
So, with that in mind I'm looking for any recommendations on programs that can be used to make the Kaiser more finger-friendly. The only ones that come to mind immediately for me are S2U2, FFF and the various Cubes. What are the other options available?
Thanks in advance.
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I find both PocketCM and ThumbCal great replacements for contact management and calendar. Both free. Search XDA and you shall find.

MrEous said:
I hope you aren't offended but your writing needs severe sentence structure.
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i was using my tilt when i posted this message...i never use a computer when im on this site...so when i type stuff on my phone it comes out like that...wala!!

kendav911 said:
have you tried this.
http://www.iwindowsmobile.com/vito-mobile-shell.html
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yes.... and was rather disappointed at it... still its a 1.0 release and may possible be worthwhile some time in the future (but not today)

moegdaog said:
i was using my tilt when i posted this message...i never use a computer when im on this site...so when i type stuff on my phone it comes out like that...wala!!
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Lmao...I didn't even think of that. I know exactly what you mean!

MrEous said:
Lmao...I didn't even think of that. I know exactly what you mean!
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yea bro....like i barely ever use my toshiba satelite labtop other then for school term papers and essays and other school work...and for my job when i need to use microsoft office for word and excel for my spreadsheets...so when im at home or on the go...my main internet viewing utility is my tilt man. I find it so much more easier to just flick my phone open and surf the net on my tilt...from youtube watching, movie watching and when im on my forums posting, like this here xda for my phone and acurazine forums for my acura tl community. And my toshiba labtop is not old either its 4 months old and fast as ****! but... i rarely use it for internet scouring because my kaiser is so handy for simple web browsing stuff that i do and more convienent. So yea you alrdy said you know what i meant when your posting stuff through your tilt...its a little hard to be percise and grammer desciplined when typing with the qwerty...it would just take to much time to worry about how your typing needs to be perfect looking...especially when your posting on forums, i could give two sh*ts about a couple of missing parenthesis or misspelled words on forums..cuz people know where im getting at and theve seen enough internet or IM chat to distinguish word play and internet lingo..so yea..wala! lol

moegdaog said:
yea bro....like i barely ever use my toshiba satelite labtop other then for school term papers and essays and other school work...and for my job when i need to use microsoft office for word and excel for my spreadsheets...so when im at home or on the go...my main internet viewing utility is my tilt man. I find it so much more easier to just flick my phone open and surf the net on my tilt...from youtube watching, movie watching and when im on my forums posting, like this here xda for my phone and acurazine forums for my acura tl community. And my toshiba labtop is not old either its 4 months old and fast as ****! but... i rarely use it for internet scouring because my kaiser is so handy for simple web browsing stuff that i do and more convienent. So yea you alrdy said you know what i meant when your posting stuff through your tilt...its a little hard to be percise and grammer desciplined when typing with the qwerty...it would just take to much time to worry about how your typing needs to be perfect looking...especially when your posting on forums, i could give two sh*ts about a couple of missing parenthesis or misspelled words on forums..cuz people know where im getting at and theve seen enough internet or IM chat to distinguish word play and internet lingo..so yea..wala! lol
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This kid really rambles a lot huh, about nothing too. I see your posts in almost every thread and none of them actually contribute. Are you that bored that you type bs all day. Stay the f*ck on topic and stop cluttering up the forums.

moegdaog said:
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cuz people know where im getting at and theve seen enough internet or IM chat to distinguish word play and internet lingo..so yea..wala! lol
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AS IF.
When I see a huge (and I do mean HUGE) block of text like this, with next to no punctuation, no paragraphs, and generally a "stream of the subconscious" look, I do not even bother to skim it, much less read it word for word. I can accept it at Theodor Weissenborn's, but, sorry, you're not him.
Besides, sum ting wong with the Enter key on your Tilt's keyboard?
And before I get slammed for not contributing to the thread:
Ultimate Launch
Throttle Launcher
FFF
Winterface (yuk, but for the sake of completeness...)
iFonz
S2U2
S2V
S2P
SPB Mobile Shell
PointUI
iContact
iCalendar
Resco Keyboard
Zoom Keyboard
PocketCM Contacts
...and many, MANY others, these were just off the top of my head.

Today Widgets for Kaiser?

Ok so this is actually my first time posting in a long time. i do regularly flash the great roms on this site and use the cabs that are presented here. wonderful work guys.
ok so my question is, is it possible for someone to write some software for some widgets like the ones on the new Samsung I900? I know that it runs off WM 6.1 Pro. But is the today screen widget system a flash program? or built in somehow? it would be so cool to have something like that on the today screen of my 6.0 kaiser. ive seen so many different UIs its hard to name them all. they are all pretty cool in their own ways, but if someone made this as a cab that would be awsome. i know someone will be dumping the I900 rom sometime soon. hopefully!!!!
thanks,
vince

i dont get it, so nobody thinks this is possible? any takers....bueller...bueller...

Two suggestions...
Link to what you're asking about so someone can possibly make comparisons.
Don't be annoying/insulting.

Links to view widgets on OMNIA i900
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i8NfY_HXas

riiight... i wasnt trying to be annoying or insulting. i figured a quick search on youtube wuold have informed anyone about the phone in question. seems simple enough to me.
well. the Omnia I900 is a new phone that is being put out by Samsung. If you watch the video posted above youll see the widgets that i am talking about. they seem to be flash based. sort of like the ones in vista. i wonder about how much memory they take up. the phone has some other cool things as well like the screen rotate transitions. i love the one from this device. hope some programmers here can chime in on this one.

tazbo28 said:
riiight... i wasnt trying to be annoying or insulting. i figured a quick search on youtube wuold have informed anyone about the phone in question. seems simple enough to me.
well. the Omnia I900 is a new phone that is being put out by Samsung. If you watch the video posted above youll see the widgets that i am talking about. they seem to be flash based. sort of like the ones in vista. i wonder about how much memory they take up. the phone has some other cool things as well like the screen rotate transitions. i love the one from this device. hope some programmers here can chime in on this one.
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Apart from the dragging and dropping of widget from the sidebar, everything else is able to be reproduced on wm6 using various methods. rlToday and MobileShell are starting points. The i900 is not that great of a phone.

I figured out the Widgets app is called TouchWiz. i was wondering if anyone has been able to make a cab out of this? i would probably use it if it were available. ive tried a lot of shells, launchers, plugins, they are all cool but none seem to be the end all OS-replacement. by that i mean that they cant do everything yet. some will do some things good and others do other things good, but none do everything good! i know its a lot to ask for from just a shell, but if the next iphone (not 3g version) is any good with a 3rd party following thats growing, i might jump on. its gonna take some great plugs and an awsome os update to keep me on the windows mobile wagon.
i really wish they would start to try and move away from teh stylus usage on their future OS versions. like the Omnia. this would make alot of people happier i think.

snachez said:
The i900 is not that great of a phone.
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really, why?

badaas said:
really, why?
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-Price - Currently over $1,100 in Australia vs. TyTnII free on most caps. Ouch.
- Poor finger menu navigation. Like most WM6 devices, the underlying OS is designed for stylus use, not thumbs. Comes with a stylus but no slot to put it in the phone.
- No physical keyboard, and dodgy software keyboard which cover 3/4 of the screen making it impossible to see what your typing underneath.
- Haptic touch is cool, but the glossy body is really bad (good?) at collecting fingerprint smudges. Carrying a cloth all day is pretty lame too.
- Battery life is ok, except when using GPS or 3G/HSDPA- reports of going from 100% to fully flat in under 40 mins while using satnav & about 3 hrs talk time on 3G. Cant personally verify this because I only played in-store for about half an hour - google around though..
- Can't use it as a bluetooth HSDPA modem for laptop/PC. Even my 5 yr old nokia can do this..
- Annoying automatic screen orientation, way too sensitive when you moving your arm around and the screen starts freaking out and spinning.
- Reports of random shut downs. Cnet reviewer had 2 in 3 days & pressing the Power On button does not help - have to physically remove and re-insert the battery to reset it.
- Useless "widgets" - Stock ROM does not include Calendar, Messaging or mainstream apps. Like the nazi-esque licensing for the iphone app store, you're not allowed to add / develop non-Samsung-approved apps. So for the time being you have a fancy looking but useless desktop. Standard WM6 "today" screen & various plugins is much much more usable.
Bottom line is its fashion over function. Some will love it, but there's too much iPhone mentality going on to even consider it for folks like me (I like to tweak and fiddle with everything to make a system that suits me perfectly - way better phones already out that can do this easier (TyTnII, imho) )
I do like the camera though, and the weird not-quite-VGA 240x400 resolution.

I agree. I am not interested in flashing a new ROM but would rather customize a few features usings cabs and so forth.
There are some widgets that I would like to use myself. This is very similar to the Vista sidebar that I have become familiar with and appreciate now.

Hi,
i found the related widgets, on rapidshare or megauload.it works fine
on a Qvga pda, but on mine (I780) i have resolution problems
Bye
Herc.

yeah i found a thread in the general-hacking and development section where someone has already made a cab for the widgets. after installing you have to reset your device for them to appear in the today plugins selection. the widgets are really cool but not being able to edit the apps they control at the moment kinda sucks. some of them dont do anything because they are supposed to be connected to programs in the Omnia I900

With iPhone 3.0, What else does OSX need to rival WM?

OK, now that Apple has announced what's going to be in the next iPhone firmware (copy-paste, universal search, push notifications, etc), what more does the iPhone need until it's a viable platform for the most die-hard here to abandon WinMo? Software issues only of course, no "keyboard" response.
It still can't multitask which I think is wack.. they say it drains the battery too hard (that kind of hardware issue is acceptable for discussion).

I'm already hooked and can't wait to get rid of my Hermes. I will miss internet sharing for "free" though

If i had to change WM to OSX, it would need to have :
- Mass storage driver
- Using the phone without ever installing itunes (yes i'm on linux)
- Installing apps without appstore (same as above)
- Multitasking because i like to listen to a webradio while using my GPS
- IGo 2008
- Flash support
- Skyfire-like browser
- Outlook support (not exchange)
- MS Voice command (not cyberon or other 'must record everything before use' program)
- WMWifirouter 1.25 (because i use it as a wifi card for my laptop)
- Custom rom enabled (because i like to change often)
- external mouse / keyboard support
- rotation in every screen including home, because when my mobile car holder is in landscape, i want every app to be in landscape as well
- msn messenger (not another multi client app)
- galarm (because it is the best alarm clock program i have ever used)
- video recording
- tcpmp-like player (note that i don't know every iphone app available)
- better today screen like touchflo
That's pretty much what i use everyday and my kaiser does that perfectly.

TrYde said:
If i had to change WM to OSX, it would need to have :
- Outlook support (not exchange)
- external mouse / keyboard support
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I need FULL Outlook intergration also, like Business Contact Manager...along with OneNote. Also not having a user removeable battery and memory card is a deal breaker for me. I found the iPhoney drains the battery just as fast as WinMo phone.
The abillity to run the phone from my desktop wth something like My Moblier is really handy.

GWelker62 said:
I need FULL Outlook intergration also, like Business Contact Manager...along with OneNote. Also not having a user removeable battery and memory card is a deal breaker for me. I found the iPhoney drains the battery just as fast as WinMo phone.
The abillity to run the phone from my desktop wth something like My Moblier is really handy.
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I didn't go into hardware stuff, otherwise i could add a lot more, like lack of buttons, lack of physical keyboard, resistive screen instead of capacitive, a real camera with flash....

The thing i love with this kind och apple presentations is the audience. When they in example presented the MMS function, there was big applauds.. like it was the first time we saw MMS function in a phone. And then copy-paste function and big applauds breaks out, again, "its fantastic,wow" (i think apple was first to implement this function in a phone... or not!?).
Yes, iphone is nice,smooth,fast. And i still think its not the phone that makes the iphone. Its the developers 3rd party that make its nice. I need my phone in my work, and need functionality that works smooth with win xp/outlook.
I wish microsoft takes a look at the custom rom's that is on the market, MS could maybe get some great ideas from them. And one other thing, let us use the apps in landscape mode, i think the 3rd party rotation app works 50%. Give us something new, something with speed.
/Mike,Stockholm
HTC Touch HD

I haven't completely abandoned WinMo because I love gadgets and variety, but I have abandoned it as my primary phone. I switched to the iPhone as my primary over a year ago. Everything iPhone can do, it does it faster and easier than WinMo phones do. Anything it can't do, I don't really use. Using a WinMo phone feels so much more clunky than the iPhone. For instance, I was using my Touch Diamond the other night. Opera works much better than PIE, but it was still slow, annoying, dragging, and at times with greatly delayed reaction to my touch. The iPhone Safari is much faster, and seems much more refined. I use my Touch Diamond much less often, yet it crashes or locks up requiring a RESET much more often. Of course, I have my share of complaints about the iPhone OS X, and the main one is dependence on iTunes. I don't like having to sync folders, I greatly prefer WinMo's way - copying the music and videos I want into a folder on the device.
It's not true that the iPhone OS X can't multitask. It's a variant of UNIX so it certainly can multitask, it's just not officially supported by the SDK. It makes sense, after all, Apple intends for the apps in the AppStore to be interactive apps, the type that shouldn't need multitasking ability. The various apps available via Cydia on a jailbroken phone don't necessarily follow Apple conventions and can multitask. For example, you can install Open SSH and SSH into the phone via Wifi while it's running any other app. All the unofficial UNIX-style apps can and do multitask.
Big applause for functions like MMS most likely aren't because people are amazed at the new feature, but people are happy because they're thinking, "FINALLY!" I know that was my thought, even the very first color LCD phone I ever had could do MMS (Samsung SGH-E715 in 2003).

What else does OS X mobile need to rival WM? Nothing. They can do whatever they like, but after my experience with an iPod Touch I will never buy another Apple product for as long as I live. As for the iPhone itself - I'm tired of hearing about it. Even on an HTC fanboy Web site, there's no escape.

GnatGoSplat said:
I haven't completely abandoned WinMo because I love gadgets and variety, but I have abandoned it as my primary phone. I switched to the iPhone as my primary over a year ago. Everything iPhone can do, it does it faster and easier than WinMo phones do. Anything it can't do, I don't really use. Using a WinMo phone feels so much more clunky than the iPhone. For instance, I was using my Touch Diamond the other night. Opera works much better than PIE, but it was still slow, annoying, dragging, and at times with greatly delayed reaction to my touch. The iPhone Safari is much faster, and seems much more refined. I use my Touch Diamond much less often, yet it crashes or locks up requiring a RESET much more often. Of course, I have my share of complaints about the iPhone OS X, and the main one is dependence on iTunes. I don't like having to sync folders, I greatly prefer WinMo's way - copying the music and videos I want into a folder on the device.
It's not true that the iPhone OS X can't multitask. It's a variant of UNIX so it certainly can multitask, it's just not officially supported by the SDK. It makes sense, after all, Apple intends for the apps in the AppStore to be interactive apps, the type that shouldn't need multitasking ability. The various apps available via Cydia on a jailbroken phone don't necessarily follow Apple conventions and can multitask. For example, you can install Open SSH and SSH into the phone via Wifi while it's running any other app. All the unofficial UNIX-style apps can and do multitask.
Big applause for functions like MMS most likely aren't because people are amazed at the new feature, but people are happy because they're thinking, "FINALLY!" I know that was my thought, even the very first color LCD phone I ever had could do MMS (Samsung SGH-E715 in 2003).
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Agreed 100% After many many years of being a HTC fan boy I out of here, after only a week with my iphone .... i love it and yep I did have to jailbreak it to make it really the phone I wanted but then again didnt have to flash my htc's to do the same?
Look, everyone to there own but you for me I was sick of paying £500+ for something that looks and feels the same year in year out and only now realise how poor the wm os runs.
goodbye fairwell my OLD friend WM
xxx

this iphone term 'jailbreak' means what? supercid? and can these be unlocked for any GSM carrier?

galaxys said:
this iphone term 'jailbreak' means what? supercid? and can these be unlocked for any GSM carrier?
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It Means 'Rooting'

why no fix for slow htc messaging?!!

in my opinion , the one and only one downside of whole manila 2.5 is its messaging app..i dont understand why its so buggy..i have seen htc messaging in manila 2.1 quite good and effective..no reason why htc has changed a stable messaging version to a buggy one...
hey guys any fix would be sooo welcome....

you do know that significant fixes/improvements will have to come from HTC and not the cooks. also, keep in mind that manila 2.5 has been designed to work with the HD2's faster processor and not the slower HD processor.

i'll venture further saying that the chefs DO NOT HAVE THE SOURCE CODE to manila or windows mobile for what it matters. they can do some tweaking some conf changes etc but cannot rewrite the software

Buy a Leo and everything will work fine. It was never designed for Blackstone. It's not slow...our devices are slow!!!

windows mobile is slow....the hardware is fast enough for a bunch of things. dont take me wrong here i like winmobo but the "genious" in microsoft dont care much about user experience...hope win7 fix some of our issues.

cortez.i said:
you do know that significant fixes/improvements will have to come from HTC and not the cooks. also, keep in mind that manila 2.5 has been designed to work with the HD2's faster processor and not the slower HD processor.
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I second this, Look at the newer releases and you will notice changes to the stability of the messaging app. Yes it still a bit slow, have you seen the iPhone load a decent conversation history? Slow messaging app when theres more than 100 sms, thats why they needed the 3GS. A little lag isn't too bad considering the Leo's specs.

HTC Messaging looks cool but is useless when you use programs that send SMS with it. It simply will not work. The program needs to be updated to HTC standard. But isn't HTC ought to folllow WM standard? By creating imncompatiblity of not using Standrd, HTC will create a floodgate of problems in the years to come.

honestly, if they could use Manilla 2.5 with the Manila 2.1 messaging, it would be fine
i love everything about 2.5..it's just the messaging. unfortunately...that's a big problem with no fix =[. for now, WinMo messaging is fine =]
love the new calendar, the new buttons, etc..much more friendly

gbjack said:
HTC Messaging looks cool but is useless when you use programs that send SMS with it. It simply will not work. The program needs to be updated to HTC standard. But isn't HTC ought to folllow WM standard? By creating imncompatiblity of not using Standrd, HTC will create a floodgate of problems in the years to come.
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Yes, It has already broken many anti-theft software like Remote Tracker and Sprite Terminator which intercept incoming SMS.
They work fine on M2.1's HTC messaging, but not with M2.5.

cortez.i said:
you do know that significant fixes/improvements will have to come from HTC and not the cooks. also, keep in mind that manila 2.5 has been designed to work with the HD2's faster processor and not the slower HD processor.
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I hope that this remark is very old, because you need to read the LEO forum. The problem is also on a new LEO device! Disabling HTC messaging gives you the old M$ outlook back, but it removes functionality in contacts, clicking on "send message" doesn't take you to SMS! I hope somebody can make a solution for this.

theres one thing I dont understand
When you click in manila at "All messages" in TF3D2.5, then we come in the new HTC styled SMS overview.
I don't understand why the kinetic scrolling of this SMS overview is such unfunktional:
When you slide fast with your finger, it scrolls fast, smooth and normal.
But when you slide slow, it scrolls very strange...
Its very smooth and all, but its very strange... so slow...
But not slow in case of too weak hardware. Like issue in kinetic scrolling software.
I think the only problem of TF3D 2.5 is, that we need a file out of a Leo dump that we don't have.
Because the effects alone are not such special that we need Leo hardware.
Which API does TF3D 2.5 use? OpenGL, .NET?

pim.vol file caching experiment for performance improvement
guys, correct me if I'm wrong here.
the SMS Messages are stored in pim.vol file (not exactly sure what's the corresponding MMS Messages file) located at the root directory. It is excluded from being cached by fsreplxfilt.dll (File Replication for Persistent Storage) StorageManager filter.
What if pim.vol is being cached, will it improve HTC Messaging performance?
This modification however, must be cooked into XIP (with modified boot.rgu / boot.hv) for full effect, even though the registry is here:
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\Filters\fsreplxfilt]
"NumDirsToExclude"=dword:d
"DirsToExclude"=multi_sz: "\\mxip_initdb.vol",
"\\mxip_system.vol",
"\\mxip_notify.vol",
"\\mxip_lang.vol",
"\\cemail.vol",
[B]"\\pim.vol",[/B]
"\\Documents and Settings\\",
"\\Program Files\\",
"\\Windows\\",
"\\Application Data\\",
"\\ConnMgr\\",
"\\mxip_swmgmt.vol",
"\\Temp\\"
Have anyone / any chef willing to try to cook a ROM and Not Exclude pim.vol to be cached and see if that improves the performance? Although there might be side effect such as loss of data, but it may help to improve HTC Messaging performance?

eddyve said:
I hope that this remark is very old, because you need to read the LEO forum. The problem is also on a new LEO device! Disabling HTC messaging gives you the old M$ outlook back, but it removes functionality in contacts, clicking on "send message" doesn't take you to SMS! I hope somebody can make a solution for this.
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doesn't matter if my comment is old/new. i still believe fixes/enhancements will still have to come from HTC. it's unfortunate that HD2 owners are suffering the same poor performance. it's my hope that performance will be improved by the time the HD2 makes it to the USA. (ok, so i'm dreaming, lol).

ANDYx1975 said:
Buy a Leo and everything will work fine. It was never designed for Blackstone. It's not slow...our devices are slow!!!
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B.S. Mobile outlook works really fast with the same set of SMS, on which HTC Messaging is just dying. So it is not about device power but about bad programming.

MaXyM said:
B.S. Mobile outlook works really fast with the same set of SMS, on which HTC Messaging is just dying. So it is not about device power but about bad programming.
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you'll notice that the WM outlook is only loading about 5-10 messages before you have to click "older" or "newer" instead of loading all the messages like how Sense 2.5 is trying to do. I believe that the windows way of doing it is better, but once again, that's something that HTC has to do.

ANDYx1975 said:
Buy a Leo and everything will work fine. It was never designed for Blackstone. It's not slow...our devices are slow!!!
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I suggest that you read the Leo forum and you will see that these users are also complaining about the slow speed of HTC Messaging. It is not about the hardware, it is about the software!

skulk3r said:
you'll notice that the WM outlook is only loading about 5-10 messages before you have to click "older" or "newer" instead of loading all the messages like how Sense 2.5 is trying to do. I believe that the windows way of doing it is better, but once again, that's something that HTC has to do.
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I agree with the above, if I keep my stored message below a 20-30 limit on the device for each contact I have absolutely no problem with the messaging speed, it's as quick as I need it to be.
All my messages are synced to MS MyPhone, so if I need anything i've previously deleted from the device, I can login and go to the archive section and find it or search for it if I don't remember when it was.
I don't see the need for people to store 100's of messages on there device now, when the MyPhone service works perfectly. (i get that people don't have a data connection etc, but if you've forked out for this phone then why not!).
The device does become unbearable if you have more than a few hundred messages, I restored 2000 messages to the device and it became sluggish, this is clearly visible by the scroll bar on the right (when you load a contacts conversation). If you watch the scroll bar, it will get smaller and smaller the more messages it loads, during the loading process with hundreds of messages it is virtually impossible to use the device as it stutters and jumps around until it finishes loading the messages, which it does everytime you load that contact, regardless of if you've been into them before or not. Therefore by keeping your active messages on your device to a minimum you have a speedy and lovely interface to use.
I'm currently using the Energy 28004 rom, but i've been using the above method since Miri first started with the Touch Friendly branch of WinMo and MS released MyPhone and it's worked perfectly.

skulk3r said:
you'll notice that the WM outlook is only loading about 5-10 messages before you have to click "older" or "newer" instead of loading all the messages like how Sense 2.5 is trying to do. I believe that the windows way of doing it is better, but once again, that's something that HTC has to do.
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Yes. It is exactly what I meant.
More, I'm not talking about browsing single SMS thread. I usually communicate via SMS with about 20 people. HTC messaging dies when browsing this list - the list contains only a few people list and the last message for each of them. I really cannot understand what makes it too hard to show.

Unfortunately thats not been my experience although everyone is different or we wouldn't be here . The first screen which lists your messages is fairly quick to load once i've loaded it once. I do add it to exclusive so it doesn't close though, so it only loads once at the start. If i kill the task and start it up again it does go slow, but other than that it does appear to be fine.
I currently have 10 threads each with about 100 messages in total and i've just tested and it takes about 2 seconds to populate from first load (messaging ended via task manager) and then it's less than a second each time i load it up after that.
Are you storing your contact pictures on a storage card? (shouldn't really affect the speed as i'd guess your SD card is pretty fast). But it could be contributing if you have contact pictures. For reference mine are on the storage card.
What rom are you using? i'd suggest giving the energy rom a try if you haven't and see what you think as it is definitely the quickest i've used.

Guys,
Try this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5024178&postcount=389
a Manila mod to "limit" the number of messages to display on a page, based on the older HTC Messaging Client as was in Manila 2.1. That's exactly what you all wish for?