in my opinion , the one and only one downside of whole manila 2.5 is its messaging app..i dont understand why its so buggy..i have seen htc messaging in manila 2.1 quite good and effective..no reason why htc has changed a stable messaging version to a buggy one...
hey guys any fix would be sooo welcome....
you do know that significant fixes/improvements will have to come from HTC and not the cooks. also, keep in mind that manila 2.5 has been designed to work with the HD2's faster processor and not the slower HD processor.
i'll venture further saying that the chefs DO NOT HAVE THE SOURCE CODE to manila or windows mobile for what it matters. they can do some tweaking some conf changes etc but cannot rewrite the software
Buy a Leo and everything will work fine. It was never designed for Blackstone. It's not slow...our devices are slow!!!
windows mobile is slow....the hardware is fast enough for a bunch of things. dont take me wrong here i like winmobo but the "genious" in microsoft dont care much about user experience...hope win7 fix some of our issues.
cortez.i said:
you do know that significant fixes/improvements will have to come from HTC and not the cooks. also, keep in mind that manila 2.5 has been designed to work with the HD2's faster processor and not the slower HD processor.
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I second this, Look at the newer releases and you will notice changes to the stability of the messaging app. Yes it still a bit slow, have you seen the iPhone load a decent conversation history? Slow messaging app when theres more than 100 sms, thats why they needed the 3GS. A little lag isn't too bad considering the Leo's specs.
HTC Messaging looks cool but is useless when you use programs that send SMS with it. It simply will not work. The program needs to be updated to HTC standard. But isn't HTC ought to folllow WM standard? By creating imncompatiblity of not using Standrd, HTC will create a floodgate of problems in the years to come.
honestly, if they could use Manilla 2.5 with the Manila 2.1 messaging, it would be fine
i love everything about 2.5..it's just the messaging. unfortunately...that's a big problem with no fix =[. for now, WinMo messaging is fine =]
love the new calendar, the new buttons, etc..much more friendly
gbjack said:
HTC Messaging looks cool but is useless when you use programs that send SMS with it. It simply will not work. The program needs to be updated to HTC standard. But isn't HTC ought to folllow WM standard? By creating imncompatiblity of not using Standrd, HTC will create a floodgate of problems in the years to come.
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Yes, It has already broken many anti-theft software like Remote Tracker and Sprite Terminator which intercept incoming SMS.
They work fine on M2.1's HTC messaging, but not with M2.5.
cortez.i said:
you do know that significant fixes/improvements will have to come from HTC and not the cooks. also, keep in mind that manila 2.5 has been designed to work with the HD2's faster processor and not the slower HD processor.
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I hope that this remark is very old, because you need to read the LEO forum. The problem is also on a new LEO device! Disabling HTC messaging gives you the old M$ outlook back, but it removes functionality in contacts, clicking on "send message" doesn't take you to SMS! I hope somebody can make a solution for this.
theres one thing I dont understand
When you click in manila at "All messages" in TF3D2.5, then we come in the new HTC styled SMS overview.
I don't understand why the kinetic scrolling of this SMS overview is such unfunktional:
When you slide fast with your finger, it scrolls fast, smooth and normal.
But when you slide slow, it scrolls very strange...
Its very smooth and all, but its very strange... so slow...
But not slow in case of too weak hardware. Like issue in kinetic scrolling software.
I think the only problem of TF3D 2.5 is, that we need a file out of a Leo dump that we don't have.
Because the effects alone are not such special that we need Leo hardware.
Which API does TF3D 2.5 use? OpenGL, .NET?
pim.vol file caching experiment for performance improvement
guys, correct me if I'm wrong here.
the SMS Messages are stored in pim.vol file (not exactly sure what's the corresponding MMS Messages file) located at the root directory. It is excluded from being cached by fsreplxfilt.dll (File Replication for Persistent Storage) StorageManager filter.
What if pim.vol is being cached, will it improve HTC Messaging performance?
This modification however, must be cooked into XIP (with modified boot.rgu / boot.hv) for full effect, even though the registry is here:
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\Filters\fsreplxfilt]
"NumDirsToExclude"=dword:d
"DirsToExclude"=multi_sz: "\\mxip_initdb.vol",
"\\mxip_system.vol",
"\\mxip_notify.vol",
"\\mxip_lang.vol",
"\\cemail.vol",
[B]"\\pim.vol",[/B]
"\\Documents and Settings\\",
"\\Program Files\\",
"\\Windows\\",
"\\Application Data\\",
"\\ConnMgr\\",
"\\mxip_swmgmt.vol",
"\\Temp\\"
Have anyone / any chef willing to try to cook a ROM and Not Exclude pim.vol to be cached and see if that improves the performance? Although there might be side effect such as loss of data, but it may help to improve HTC Messaging performance?
eddyve said:
I hope that this remark is very old, because you need to read the LEO forum. The problem is also on a new LEO device! Disabling HTC messaging gives you the old M$ outlook back, but it removes functionality in contacts, clicking on "send message" doesn't take you to SMS! I hope somebody can make a solution for this.
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doesn't matter if my comment is old/new. i still believe fixes/enhancements will still have to come from HTC. it's unfortunate that HD2 owners are suffering the same poor performance. it's my hope that performance will be improved by the time the HD2 makes it to the USA. (ok, so i'm dreaming, lol).
ANDYx1975 said:
Buy a Leo and everything will work fine. It was never designed for Blackstone. It's not slow...our devices are slow!!!
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B.S. Mobile outlook works really fast with the same set of SMS, on which HTC Messaging is just dying. So it is not about device power but about bad programming.
MaXyM said:
B.S. Mobile outlook works really fast with the same set of SMS, on which HTC Messaging is just dying. So it is not about device power but about bad programming.
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you'll notice that the WM outlook is only loading about 5-10 messages before you have to click "older" or "newer" instead of loading all the messages like how Sense 2.5 is trying to do. I believe that the windows way of doing it is better, but once again, that's something that HTC has to do.
ANDYx1975 said:
Buy a Leo and everything will work fine. It was never designed for Blackstone. It's not slow...our devices are slow!!!
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I suggest that you read the Leo forum and you will see that these users are also complaining about the slow speed of HTC Messaging. It is not about the hardware, it is about the software!
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you'll notice that the WM outlook is only loading about 5-10 messages before you have to click "older" or "newer" instead of loading all the messages like how Sense 2.5 is trying to do. I believe that the windows way of doing it is better, but once again, that's something that HTC has to do.
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I agree with the above, if I keep my stored message below a 20-30 limit on the device for each contact I have absolutely no problem with the messaging speed, it's as quick as I need it to be.
All my messages are synced to MS MyPhone, so if I need anything i've previously deleted from the device, I can login and go to the archive section and find it or search for it if I don't remember when it was.
I don't see the need for people to store 100's of messages on there device now, when the MyPhone service works perfectly. (i get that people don't have a data connection etc, but if you've forked out for this phone then why not!).
The device does become unbearable if you have more than a few hundred messages, I restored 2000 messages to the device and it became sluggish, this is clearly visible by the scroll bar on the right (when you load a contacts conversation). If you watch the scroll bar, it will get smaller and smaller the more messages it loads, during the loading process with hundreds of messages it is virtually impossible to use the device as it stutters and jumps around until it finishes loading the messages, which it does everytime you load that contact, regardless of if you've been into them before or not. Therefore by keeping your active messages on your device to a minimum you have a speedy and lovely interface to use.
I'm currently using the Energy 28004 rom, but i've been using the above method since Miri first started with the Touch Friendly branch of WinMo and MS released MyPhone and it's worked perfectly.
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you'll notice that the WM outlook is only loading about 5-10 messages before you have to click "older" or "newer" instead of loading all the messages like how Sense 2.5 is trying to do. I believe that the windows way of doing it is better, but once again, that's something that HTC has to do.
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Yes. It is exactly what I meant.
More, I'm not talking about browsing single SMS thread. I usually communicate via SMS with about 20 people. HTC messaging dies when browsing this list - the list contains only a few people list and the last message for each of them. I really cannot understand what makes it too hard to show.
Unfortunately thats not been my experience although everyone is different or we wouldn't be here . The first screen which lists your messages is fairly quick to load once i've loaded it once. I do add it to exclusive so it doesn't close though, so it only loads once at the start. If i kill the task and start it up again it does go slow, but other than that it does appear to be fine.
I currently have 10 threads each with about 100 messages in total and i've just tested and it takes about 2 seconds to populate from first load (messaging ended via task manager) and then it's less than a second each time i load it up after that.
Are you storing your contact pictures on a storage card? (shouldn't really affect the speed as i'd guess your SD card is pretty fast). But it could be contributing if you have contact pictures. For reference mine are on the storage card.
What rom are you using? i'd suggest giving the energy rom a try if you haven't and see what you think as it is definitely the quickest i've used.
Guys,
Try this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5024178&postcount=389
a Manila mod to "limit" the number of messages to display on a page, based on the older HTC Messaging Client as was in Manila 2.1. That's exactly what you all wish for?
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Hi everyone! I have my Raphael since November 2008 (man, time goes fast!) in replacement of a Palm Lifedrive. The PPC sistem is very nice, and I love my phone... the only thing I miss is the calendar/agenda sistem of the Palm OS, where you can separate your meetengs, etc by category and these are showed in the agenda in differents colors. I think this is VERY useful! I now using the GREAT and last version of ENERGY ROM (TP2 Manila xbmod), and this interface have a nice improvement in the TF3D with the CALENDAR TAB, but this "show" a "busy" day only by a white mark, and the WM6.1 calendar doesn´t have any colors to show in the Week or month view. So... my question /request is : Is there any way to tweak the TP2 manila or the WM6.1 default calendar so it could show different colors depending on different categories? or Is there another good software that replace the default agenda and has this feature?
...well , that´s it!, THANK YOU VERY MUCH !
PD: sorry my terrible english.... Chile present in an international forum!
I use pocket informant 8.... better cal app then the default.
SoBBie
Thank you! I´ll give it a try!
There's also Agendus that was on Palm and now is on Windows OS
http://www.iambic.com/agendus/wmppc/
thumbcal is very nice.
Actually if you are using Win. mobile 6.5 you will want to stay away from pretty much every 3rd party app until 6.5 is officially released. none of the 3rd party cal's have the information to update there software and many are creating (in my opinion) big issues with the cal. and the phone.
I was using 6.1 and PI worked great. I also liked SBSH Cal. touch but it was not as robust. BUT now that I upgraded to 6.5 I am trying to stay away from any of them since none fully work with it :'(
Thanks,
SoBBie
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Actually if you are using Win. mobile 6.5 you will want to stay away from pretty much every 3rd party app until 6.5 is officially released.
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This is so true. I tried PI8 and SBSH. Neither worked right. However, Thumbcal is working like a champ.
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Actually if you are using Win. mobile 6.5 you will want to stay away from pretty much every 3rd party app until 6.5 is officially released. none of the 3rd party cal's have the information to update there software and many are creating (in my opinion) big issues with the cal. and the phone.
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I have been using Agenda Fusion 8 for a few years and find it to be, by far, the most productive app on my phone. It works fine on my 6.5 ROM. I can read and write current and new appointments and tasks with no problems at all. Frankly I was surprised to see that some other apps are not working with 6.5.
If you try Agenda Fusion 8, be sure to give it a good try. It has so much functionality that it takes a while to sort through what you will use and not use. The trial is 15 days. It has a great interface for tasks and appointements. It also has the ability to create templates for new appointments and tasks to speed repetitive entry on the go. The app is stylus based and not finger friendly, but as a business application to manage my Outlook data on my phone, I have never found anything that even comes remotely close, and I have tried several.
There are several that look better, but none that are more productive.
www.developerone.com
Doug M.
Hi,
In order to get an overview of my appointments in different colors I have the following setup:
- I use Oggsync to sync OTA my Google calendars (category is automatically assigned for each calendar)
- I've installed 'Manila Today Page' http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=508102%5C
- On the extra Manila page, obtained from MTP I've put TodayAgenda http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2723505, which allows to display all of my appointments, with colors according to their category.
- I use Thumbcal to create appointments for it's 'finger-friendliness'.
dwmackay said:
I have been using Agenda Fusion 8 for a few years and find it to be, by far, the most productive app on my phone. It works fine on my 6.5 ROM. I can read and write current and new appointments and tasks with no problems at all. Frankly I was surprised to see that some other apps are not working with 6.5.
If you try Agenda Fusion 8, be sure to give it a good try. It has so much functionality that it takes a while to sort through what you will use and not use. The trial is 15 days. It has a great interface for tasks and appointements. It also has the ability to create templates for new appointments and tasks to speed repetitive entry on the go. The app is stylus based and not finger friendly, but as a business application to manage my Outlook data on my phone, I have never found anything that even comes remotely close, and I have tried several.
There are several that look better, but none that are more productive.
www.developerone.com
Doug M.
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AgendaFusion looks good but I dont think they ever made it touch friendly ... I will play with it again but pretty sure it is stylus based. PI8 and SBSH both are great for thumb use. PI8 has just as much functionality as AgendaFusion PLUS it has the touch feature which is very nice.
But that is my personal preferance. I want a thumb based organizer. ThumbCal works fine but I use tasks a lot and I dont know if it handles that (dont think so last I checked) but I may also take a look at that one.
Thanks,
SoBBie
supersobbie said:
AgendaFusion looks good but I dont think they ever made it touch friendly
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You are absolutely correct. Agenda Fusion is not the least bit finger friendly. For me however, I can use the simple Today screen on 6.5 to see upcomming appointments. But if I really need to spend time with my calendar and tasks, I use Agenda Fusion. It works so well for me, that I do not even take my laptop home or on appointments. Everything I need is accessible through Agenda Fusion.
I did write to DeveloperOne a couple of months ago to see if a newer release is scheduled. They have stopped development becuase they already had so much functionality, there was really nothing left to do. So... no finger friendly versions are headed your way...
If I had a tool to do so, I would post screen shots, but I do not have anything.
Doug M.
Doug,
I am playing with agenda fusion... and yes, it is a good program. But, I would advice you to try PI8 again (wait till Windows Mobile 6.5 comes out and they update it). PI8 has at least as much functionality as AF but they were smart enough to make it touch freindly. I am not saying jump right into it but I would advice you to try it again. if you are still using a 6.1 ROM then I would suggest that you give it a try now... but as I said above if you are on 6.5 dont bother with it yet... but try it as soon as they build a version for it.
Have a great day,
SoBBie
I keep going back and forth between the two on my Imagio, but I think once we get TF3D 2.5 I'll be able to stick with HTC's software. Question is: Will the Imagio handle it well?
BTW thanks for the resource here!
me too, I have been going back in forth between the current touchflo version on the Imagio and SPB Mobile Shell.
Has anyone come up with a tweak yet for touch flo 3d 2.5 for the Imagio.
SPB MS 3.5 for me
I have been playing with TouchFlo since the first version on the HTC Touch and it is just too much work. I downloaded MS3.5 and I couldn't be happier. It takes up fewer resources and the customization is as easy as dragging and dropping. I use the leisure theme with a five panel widget home screen. You can add picture frames as widgets among other cool items. The contact management is integrated with Facebook automatically and the smart dial is awesome. If I decide I want to do custom icons later, I can get as deep into the xml component as I want.
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I have been playing with TouchFlo since the first version on the HTC Touch and it is just too much work. I downloaded MS3.5 and I couldn't be happier. It takes up fewer resources and the customization is as easy as dragging and dropping. I use the leisure theme with a five panel widget home screen. You can add picture frames as widgets among other cool items. The contact management is integrated with Facebook automatically and the smart dial is awesome. If I decide I want to do custom icons later, I can get as deep into the xml component as I want.
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See, now, I get the whole "pretty" thing with this shell, but I found it to be just too confusing because it has a lot of redundancies. On the other hand, TouchFlo by HTC is really powerful, but it needs more "clues" to find all of its functionality. Idunno..I just wish we could get this thing hspl unlocked so that the gurus can start cooking up some new roms..
TF3D does not work for me. I need to quickly check email and delete tehm on the fly and access many parts of the phone. Why cant we load the new Sense UIon the Imagio. MS 3.5 is great but the contacts and dialer are badly broken. I cant search for contacts easily by typing parts of the name (only searches file as field) and from the dialer screen you cannot get into the details of a contact to E.G. select an alternate number to dial.
I have been trying both on my new imagio, and am currently sticking with SPBMS3.5. The main reason is that for some reason, the text messaging interface with TF3D messes up my ability to rotate to landscape when replying to a message. I am not sure why...
I have hard reset, and it works for a short period of time, because it seems to be using the standard Winmo texting interface. After receiving a message from a contact, the interface seems to switch to a custom TF3D version, and I can no longer use the landscape keyboard.
Plus I like that I can have virtually all the things I need on a sweetly configured main screen at one tap.
My two cents...
Gary
The folks over at PPCGeeks have unlocked the Imagio! And there are a number of ROMs already ready for flashing. As for TF3D and Mobile Shell, I have found no issues with TF, and with the new Cookies home tabs, its even easier for me. I tried that mobile shell, and there were too many reduntant applications, and by the time I got what I wanted set up, it was several pages between what I really needed and what I needed to go through. That, and after a couple days, my phone started to really get buggy. I finally gave up and went back to TF.
Now, that was before flashing to an Energy ROM. Things are much better now! Check out PPCGeeks HTC Imagio section, several ROMS there waiting for you!
You know I just saw those this weekend and they look very promising! Especially the MaxManilla on the horizon. I am not sure whether to go with Manilla or Cookies...Any thoughts?
As for the TF3D and texting, I did some googling and found the fix. Sorry, but I can't remember, but I think it was on PPCGeeks. Had to add some manilla reg values and change one other and voila! It works now. Still not sure if I like TF3D better than SPB, but I am giving it a shot. What I do like is that SPB can have multiple weather cities. I don't think that I like the 3D mail reader on either app.
Thanks again for the tips.
Gary
Is it possible to create a ROM that contains most of Manila 2.5, but has the HTC Messaging from Manila 2.1?
I like Manila 2.5, but I'm not impressed that HTC has decided to intercept all text messages, and their method doesn't allow other apps (like Remote Tracker) to intercept any..
Disabling 2.5 messaging in 2.5 ROMs doesn't resolve this issue, but maybe that's because the current methods to disable the 2.5 messaging do not address the actual issue of message interception..
Anyone think they can tackle this? The new messaging system has other issues that many people don't like.. (Slowness...) Sure it looks good, but visual appeal can't override the actual ability to function... (or break other features..)
Here you go:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=556614&page=1
cryst_666 said:
Here you go:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=556614&page=1
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Would post this to, but didn't because of... highlight...
Verrigan said:
Is it possible to create a ROM that contains most of Manila 2.5, but has the HTC Messaging from Manila 2.1?
I like Manila 2.5, but I'm not impressed that HTC has decided to intercept all text messages, and their method doesn't allow other apps (like Remote Tracker) to intercept any..
Disabling 2.5 messaging in 2.5 ROMs doesn't resolve this issue, but maybe that's because the current methods to disable the 2.5 messaging do not address the actual issue of message interception..
Anyone think they can tackle this? The new messaging system has other issues that many people don't like.. (Slowness...) Sure it looks good, but visual appeal can't override the actual ability to function... (or break other features..)
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problem solved without sticking to a single rom that doesn't even exists as far as i'm concerned.
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problem solved without sticking to a single rom that doesn't even exists as far as i'm concerned.
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I know, I'm also using that...
But for some people nothing works or is good enough.
cryst_666 said:
Here you go:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=556614&page=1
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Did not work for me on latest Shadowline ROM..
As far as I have seen, it doesn't resolve the issue.. It removes HTC Messaging out of the picture just fine, but doesn't fix it to allow other apps to intercept text messages.
Unfortunately, I don't plan on using the ROMs for which it claims to be useful...
koen-ronse said:
I know, I'm also using that...
But for some people nothing works or is good enough.
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Verrigan said:
Did not work for me on latest Shadowline ROM..
As far as I have seen, it doesn't resolve the issue.. It removes HTC Messaging out of the picture just fine, but doesn't fix it to allow other apps to intercept text messages.
Unfortunately, I don't plan on using the ROMs for which it claims to be useful...
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My words are even not cold...
Well.. If HTC didn't hijack all the text messages with the new 2.5 messaging, this wouldn't be an issue..
I don't dislike any of the work ROM developers have done.. (Any of them.. Excellent job, guys!) But most of the ROMs are not what I'm looking for.. (Too bloated mostly) but they build their ROMs the way they want them..
The problem is not the ROMs or the chefs.. It's HTC, for breaking a feature of Windows Mobile by hijacking the messaging service instead of using what was already in Windows Mobile, and breaking other apps that rely on the ability to intercept text messages in the process.
Verrigan said:
Well.. If HTC didn't hijack all the text messages with the new 2.5 messaging, this wouldn't be an issue..
I don't dislike any of the work ROM developers have done.. (Any of them.. Excellent job, guys!) But most of the ROMs are not what I'm looking for.. (Too bloated mostly) but they build their ROMs the way they want them..
The problem is not the ROMs or the chefs.. It's HTC, for breaking a feature of Windows Mobile by hijacking the messaging service instead of using what was already in Windows Mobile, and breaking other apps that rely on the ability to intercept text messages in the process.
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And a rom without Manila? Maybe that's something for you...
koen-ronse said:
And a rom without Manila? Maybe that's something for you...
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Manila 2.1 messaging does not hijack the text messages..
And the only Titanium ROM I liked had HTC Messaging from Manila 2.5 in it.. Go figure.
Verrigan said:
Manila 2.1 messaging does not hijack the text messages..
And the only Titanium ROM I liked had HTC Messaging from Manila 2.5 in it.. Go figure.
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Last advice... "Start to cook"...
koen-ronse said:
Last advice... "Start to cook"...
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Working on that as we speak.. Thanks to BeeGee.
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Working on that as we speak.. Thanks to BeeGee.
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Looking forward to that.
Sense 2.5 simple was not meant for the TD2. I actually cant believe chefs are cooking this into there roms because without SMS functioning as it should im dead in the water and so are many others. I wait sometimes 15 to 20 seconds before i can actually type something when I open a conversation. Without the functionality cell phones were meant to deliver I might as well buy an iPhone.
Unfortunately M2.1 is getting phased out which makes absolutely no sense but thats the mobile world were living in. Honestly I wish there was a line being drawn where functionality wasn't sacrificed to bleeding edge. Hate to say this but my most stable rom thus far has been the stock AT&T ROM which I can t get back
bradecrain said:
Sense 2.5 simple was not meant for the TD2. I actually cant believe chefs are cooking this into there roms because without SMS functioning as it should im dead in the water and so are many others. I wait sometimes 15 to 20 seconds before i can actually type something when I open a conversation. Without the functionality cell phones were meant to deliver I might as well buy an iPhone.
Unfortunately M2.1 is getting phased out which makes absolutely no sense but thats the mobile world were living in. Honestly I wish there was a line being drawn where functionality wasn't sacrificed to bleeding edge. Hate to say this but my most stable rom thus far has been the stock AT&T ROM which I can t get back
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I have totaly no probs with messaging. HTC-messaging is disabled with the cab we all know. I send and receive sms like in the "old" roms...
And if you don't feel the need to keep 100's or even 1000's messages, it works perfect. Be honnest... what can you do with all the old messages?
I will give it a go later when im off work. Do you have any bugs from that cab?
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I will give it a go later when im off work. Do you have any bugs from that cab?
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No, does what it has to do, nothing more, nothing less...
Can you get apps like Remote Tracker and Visual Voicemail working? I'll find links for you if you'd like.. Both of these apps rely on the ability to intercept incoming text messages.
Verrigan said:
Can you get apps like Remote Tracker and Visual Voicemail working? I'll find links for you if you'd like.. Both of these apps rely on the ability to intercept incoming text messages.
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+1 here too
http://www.fusionvoicemailplus.com/marketing/default.htm
here's a thread about voicemail
http://forum.phonefusion.com/read.php?9,225
Hi
Is there any Topaz ROM that does not have any of these sms bugs/problems:
1. Slowing down to a crawl while writing a long sms;
2. While writing an sms having words combine because the space bar just doesnt register or the keyboard is too laggy;
3. While writing an sms having the cursor return to the start of the message or at another line during writing a message;
4. Not being able to view, or losing the view window, when writing an sms resulting in having to re-tap the view/text writing window once or twice to see what is being written.
I have said this many times HTC messaging IS ATROCIOUS and these bugs make it downright annoying and unfunctional.
Is there any chef who has cooked with the latest 2.5 ROMS (as at Feb 2010) that has somehow fixed these problems or does HTC Messaging remain a crap app?
An annoyed Aussie
PS I have applied all the HTC SMS fix, Zenee's fix but to no avail.
it is getting better, but a perfect htc messaging is a farcry....hopeless.
btw the so-called hotfix is also useless.
Not Just Me
Thanks
At least it's not just me with these problems.
Can anyone provide us with an email address to someone of worth at HTC? I would love to let them in on these problems.
Cheers
Aussie
aussie1234 said:
Thanks
At least it's not just me with these problems.
Can anyone provide us with an email address to someone of worth at HTC? I would love to let them in on these problems.
Cheers
Aussie
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you can always google, not that will be of any help, I suspect.
ppl here said anything about (1)htc messaging is not intended to accommodate large number of texts, and/or (2)htc messaging is designed for Sense 2.1, not Sense 2.5
well, somebody somewhere is doing something about it, just have to be patient.
I believe you meant to say that htc messaging is designed for 2.5 not 2.1
It is also designed for snapdragon 1ghz processor. our processors cannot act as fast and therefore htc messaging is EXTRA slow
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I believe you meant to say that htc messaging is designed for 2.5 not 2.1
It is also designed for snapdragon 1ghz processor. our processors cannot act as fast and therefore htc messaging is EXTRA slow
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thanks for the correction.
however come to think of it, htc messaging on 2.1 is superb.
oh well.
When I use HTC messaging to create a new sms, and when I press Ok or Send,
the message will be send out, but the screen will hung....
Any other functions are OK but I can't use htc messaging anymore...still the same screen...
anybody can help?
Yeah, just disable the program, search 'zenyee disable' or 'disable htc messaging'.
Only one bug in recent ROMs that uses manila 2.5.1922 or 2.5.2010: the unread bubble doesn't dissapear after reading the message. If you don't mind not seeing the bubble at all (you have the notification icon in top-bar) this can be resolved by removing the 'sms patch.exe' from windows/start up/ directory (after installing the cab from the thread i pointed you at).
Oh and did I tell you that when used on manila 2.5.2010 the patch reverts to manila 2.1 sms messaging style?
I hope this thread becomes well known in the community for the solution to this catastrophic issue. I experience all the above mentioned problems and more, htc sense 2.5 msging is just unusable.
somebody just posted and claimed that he/she just ended the calamity surrounding htc messaging by installing the IME (touch input method or something).
I've got the same... I tried Leo IV, Prime I, new roms from NhatHoa, bysio and still big problems with sms... Now on NhatHoa I can't send sms, its still in outbox, SR doesn't help. New manila is faster than previous but msg app is just terrible. I'm going back to TESS III and Im waiting for fix for msg app
cheers
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I've got the same... I tried Leo IV, Prime I, new roms from NhatHoa, bysio and still big problems with sms... Now on NhatHoa I can't send sms, its still in outbox, SR doesn't help. New manila is faster than previous but msg app is just terrible. I'm going back to TESS III and Im waiting for fix for msg app
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it's got nothng to do with the ROM, like I said. It's just the HTC Messaging on Sense 2.5 is kinda pushing it on a Topaz. You can always install Zenyee's cab to disable htc messaging, and then there's this UI to mimic a more decent cosmetic by Astronout.
Yes, I know that, I meen that new roms which are based on manila 2011 got this crappy htc messaging, so that's not working for me... Or maybe I just got something wrong Meanwhile when TESS Leo III is downloading, I try this cab, thanks
EDIT: now is working like a charm, even manila seems to be faster Thanks again So I hold on for now with reflashing
BumAround said:
it's got nothng to do with the ROM, like I said. It's just the HTC Messaging on Sense 2.5 is kinda pushing it on a Topaz. You can always install Zenyee's cab to disable htc messaging, and then there's this UI to mimic a more decent cosmetic by Astronout.
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Here are the links for the two treads that were mentioned above :
- [Tweak/App] Disabling HTC Messaging in manila 2.5 (version 1.2 Updated on 29th Sep)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=556614
- [SKIN SMS][06 Feb 10 UPDATE!]Beautify your standard WM SMS Thread! [All Res][WM6.1+]
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5439290
Enjoy !
EDIT: The nightmare is over !!!
With NhatHoa's last rom ( Rom_WWE/ITA/FRE/ESN_NhatHoa_08/02/2010_Build 21891/23529_M2.5.20113030_Drivers 2.53 ), Zenyee's cab restores the good old version of HTC messaging ! (the one from manila 2.1)
So no more sms bug and there is even no need to apply the skin from Astronout.
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EDIT: The nightmare is over !!!
With NhatHoa's last rom ( Rom_WWE/ITA/FRE/ESN_NhatHoa_08/02/2010_Build 21891/23529_M2.5.20113030_Drivers 2.53 ), Zenyee's cab restores the good old version of HTC messaging ! (the one from manila 2.1)
So no more sms bug and there is even no need to apply the skin from Astronout.
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So I was like.. WAIT WHAT?!
Confirmed? For real? The 2.1 under 2.5?
hi all, when you cook a rom, just include IME_Tutorial_1_0_19222525_0 and a touch input(such as IME_CHS_2_1_19203826_00), then HTC messaging will be OK and works fine.
messaging agony is over?
mastawindu said:
Here are the links for the two treads that were mentioned above :
- [Tweak/App] Disabling HTC Messaging in manila 2.5 (version 1.2 Updated on 29th Sep)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=556614
- [SKIN SMS][06 Feb 10 UPDATE!]Beautify your standard WM SMS Thread! [All Res][WM6.1+]
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5439290
Enjoy !
EDIT: The nightmare is over !!!
With NhatHoa's last rom ( Rom_WWE/ITA/FRE/ESN_NhatHoa_08/02/2010_Build 21891/23529_M2.5.20113030_Drivers 2.53 ), Zenyee's cab restores the good old version of HTC messaging ! (the one from manila 2.1)
So no more sms bug and there is even no need to apply the skin from Astronout.
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The good ole version of htc messaging is actually WM Messaging ?
Michiel0211 said:
So I was like.. WAIT WHAT?!
Confirmed? For real? The 2.1 under 2.5?
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For real.
Glad the cab can be applied on recently released ROMs.
symeteor said:
hi all, when you cook a rom, just include IME_Tutorial_1_0_19222525_0 and a touch input(such as IME_CHS_2_1_19203826_00), then HTC messaging will be OK and works fine.
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Any chef (ljankok, patensas, Dutty, Nhathoa, etc) can confirm to this, please?
I personally can confirm this using Tess prime I and if you disable HTC messaging then you'll get the old messaging from 2.1 but with a little side effects such as the notification bubble in messaging tab will not disappear sometimes it won't rarely it will also time stamps might be off as well but it does work and fast at that
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I personally can confirm this using Tess prime I and if you disable HTC messaging then you'll get the old messaging from 2.1 but with a little side effects such as the notification bubble in messaging tab will not disappear sometimes it won't rarely it will also time stamps might be off as well but it does work and fast at that
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Which of Zenyee's cabs are you using? Which version?
so true. cant use my td2 now because of the horrific messaging bug. im using tess iv or iii i think. rom rocks, messaging sucks.
Hello everyone,
OK, here is my first go at ROM cooking.
I was looking for a very basic ROM with only must-have applications inside, so that I can later install the software I *do* use. Eventually I gave up, as all the ROMs and even the Lite'est ones had too much features / utilities. I thought I would then take the latest official ROM available (for stability purpose) and trim it down to minimum elements (for size reduction).
Herewith is what I ended up with:
http://rapidshare.com/files/3829100....25.91_Signed_Ship_trimmed_by_aziraphale_.rar
This in no way can be called a "cooked" ROM, I still know nothing about cooking, but it is a heavily trimmed stock ROM, created by the use of RhodiumKitchen_0.1, found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=560519.
Thanks Dave for this Tutorial and all the credits go to respective tools' developers.
How to install:
- unrar
- connect with ActiveSync (or loader in USB mode)
(goes without saying Your device must be Hard-SPL'd or modified any other way to allow ROM flashing - search the forum)
- execute RomUpdateUtility.exe
There are some residual unnecessary and/or invalid shortcuts in the Start Menu,
as well as some empty folders, I manually removed them by the use of EveryWAN personal edition - it's free and it's easy to use.
The OS is 6.5 b21887
I have trimmed the following from the stock ROM:
HTC applications:
- appointment editor
- clear storage (can do Hard reset in normal way)
- facebook / engine
- format SD (can't a PC do that?)
- CoPilot + install path folder (I use TomTom)
- birthday
- bookmark
- messaging client (hate it)
- jblend
- jetcet
- manila all
- opera (when You install newer version You end up with 2 )
- sliding sounds
- social networks engine
- streaming media
- tv out
- youtube
- volume control
- google maps (same as with opera)
- setting improvement
- text selection
- wifi wizard
- browser snapshot
- ie6 enhancement
- world card mobile (BCR)
- rss hub
System:
- live search
- wm widgets
- win live
- welcome center
- transcriber
- skymarket
- one note
- remote desktop
- themes except Rock and Republic
- my phone (skybox)
- livesearch
I do not expect this to become very useful to most of the forum visitors/members, but perhaps there is someone out there who have not found his/her way around to make ROMs him(her)self yet, but would like to get the very basic ROM with no extras.
Very hard to define "must have" apps. I personally prefer WM6.1 over WM6.5. Bad thing is you can't install every app\functionality by using CAB's. Otherwise you could create a ROM of around 40MB. Mine is currently ~70MB and is just great for my personal use.
Might be handy to add to the first post that your ROM is actually a WM6.5 ROM
Good luck on the cooking!
mccune said:
Very hard to define "must have" apps. I personally prefer WM6.1 over WM6.5. Bad thing is you can't install every app\functionality by using CAB's. Otherwise you could create a ROM of around 40MB. Mine is currently ~70MB and is just great for my personal use.
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You said it yourself - the "must-have" are the ones that can not be added by .cabs and will compromise phone functionality (like the HTC dialer skin will enable video calls, thus must stay)
mccune said:
Might be handy to add to the first post that your ROM is actually a WM6.5 ROM
Good luck on the cooking!
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the "2.07.401.1" implies 6.5, but added to description anyway, thanks
Good effort dude I did much the same a month or so ago with an amalgamation of Ervius Visual Kitchen (so easy) and JoshKoss kitchen. Didn't go as savage on the removal of stuff though, main objective was to get rid of the HTC Messaging
Just tried May 1st 23xxx EnergyROM with MaxManila but it cuts off MP3 playback in standby (a big no-no for me) and hung once already while texting MaxManila is nice though, and the Facebook tab is good. I usually stick to 21xxx but I must say 23xxx is growing on me with the latest build. Gonna try Cell Pro next.
I like the latest stuff but keeping up with it all is a nightmare if you're cooking. Wouldn't mind the latest 2.5 Manila packages and latest 21xxx / 23xxx SYS, also would try cooking in MaxManila, and I never managed to cook in "mark all as read" for emails properly. Need to learn how to hack on Manila. Also I forgot to cook in a task manager haha Ameba is quite nice on the latest EnergyROM. I definitely get the "why cook it in if you can get it from Marketplace / OMarket and auto update it" though, totally with you on that one instead of flashing a new ROM every week. I usually flash a new one every month or so, once I find one I like. But for the last month or so I've been running my own. It wasn't the fastest ROM ever though
It's a lot of work to make a decent ROM, and it's finding the time innit. I'm a big fan of JoshKoss but he hasn't released anything in a while
Anyway good effort dude the more the merrier I say
Also just a quick note I did get the Standby Of Death a couple of times on my cooked ROM. Very rare but still. No idea why. Don't know if it happens with the stock ROM or not.
Would like to know how to totally remove HTC messaging, sometimes when texting via Manila it would still give the conversation view which runs like a dog when you have 4,800 messages hehe
And the speakerphone sometimes screwed up - I could hear the other party but they couldn't hear me.
MadBeef said:
Also just a quick note I did get the Standby Of Death a couple of times on my cooked ROM. Very rare but still. No idea why. Don't know if it happens with the stock ROM or not.
Would like to know how to totally remove HTC messaging, sometimes when texting via Manila it would still give the conversation view which runs like a dog when you have 4,800 messages hehe
And the speakerphone sometimes screwed up - I could hear the other party but they couldn't hear me.
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Before going through the trouble of surgically removing the rudimentary software myself, I have tried a few "professionally" (read: respect, not sarcasm) cooked Energy and Leo ROMs, most of them VERY recent, but I found them SOOO packed with tweaks and features, that it would take me ages just to discover all the extras. I am more on the simplier side, don't fix something which is not broken, but I just HATE Manila (expect a lot of angry protestors here) and I am not big fan of HTC customisations either. Hence was this ROM done and I am so far rather happy with it.
There is no sign of HTC messaging which I can find, and I can install and use only necessary (for me) bits of software.
For "mark all as read" there is a really good .cab on the forum, called "safeboxextender", it works like a charm and I don't mind having to install it separately (i.e. not. cooked-in).
Having come from 1.86 ROM to 2.07 I do notice that device keeps hanging even without being put to sleep, but I can not figure out the dependency yet (I mean so far it looks rather random).
Aziraphale_l said:
Before going through the trouble of surgically removing the rudimentary software myself, I have tried a few "professionally" cooked Energy and Leo ROMs, most of them VERY recent, but I found them SOOO packed with tweaks and features, that it would take me ages just to discover all the extras.
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Yeah me too, those guys have spent probably 100's if not 1000's of hours on learning this stuff, then putting it together in a manner that pleases a lot of different people. Major kudos. I sometimes get the feeling though particularly with chefs who release almost every day, for a number of different devices, that the care and testing leaves something to be desired. Quite often more does not = better as you know
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I am more on the simplier side, don't fix something which is not broken, but I just HATE Manila (expect a lot of angry protestors here) and I am not big fan of HTC customisations either.
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Yeah fair enough mate although I am a big fan of Manila 2.5 and MaxManila is quite nice
Aziraphale_l said:
For "mark all as read" there is a really good .cab on the forum, called "safeboxextender", it works like a charm and I don't mind having to install it separately (i.e. not. cooked-in).
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Yeah I tried converting that to an EXT and cooking it in but it didn't work I know it can be done though cos a lot of ROMs have it built in. To be honest I don't really have enough time anymore to dedicate to my own ROM so I'm trying out a few others.
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Having come from 1.86 ROM to 2.07 I do notice that device keeps hanging even without being put to sleep, but I can not figure out the dependency yet (I mean so far it looks rather random).
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It's weird ... Mine's never hung while running but I've had the SOD two or three times. More research required, until then just stick the pen up it's arse haha
Could you release an additional version with a later build SYS (ie: 23XXX or 28XXX)? A lot of people use 6.5.5 or 6.5.3 and there are no Lite options for those later builds.
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Could you release an additional version with a later build SYS (ie: 23XXX or 28XXX)? A lot of people use 6.5.5 or 6.5.3 and there are no Lite options for those later builds.
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i'd love to, but....
as i said i am no cook and i only did it for myself and cared enough to share with anyone who'd love to have it "as is".
also, see the respective later-release ROM threads to see how many bugs are there still and ROM-cooking gurus are eliminating them one by one and it's a long and painstaking process. i have neither time, nor ability to do that.
so i guess this is as much as i can do so far.
I've been using the ROM for a few days now and it is great. Everything works perfect. Bluetooth, tethering, wifi, data connections; it all works great with no bugs Thanks for sharring. I love a clean ROM.
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I've been using the ROM for a few days now and it is great. Everything works perfect. Bluetooth, tethering, wifi, data connections; it all works great with no bugs Thanks for sharring. I love a clean ROM.
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very good!
Well I think I have ran the gamet of tezts and this ROM is perfect. It is fast and stable trimmed down well but still offering everything a user needs. I am on AT&T in the states and it works perfect. The only thing I cant figure out is how do I shut of the vibration when using the on screen key board? And can I add a picture mail program to my device? Would it function properly and could you recommend one?
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...how do I shut of the vibration when using the on screen key board?
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that would be by manually editing registry key:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\OEM\TFLOSettings]
"ApVibrationOn"=dword:00000000
it is 1 by default, change it to 0 and you are all set
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And can I add a picture mail program to my device? Would it function properly and could you recommend one?
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this here i am not sure what you mean?
whatever you add (install) SHOULD function properly, if it would have on a stock ROM,
as i have not made any changes to remaining ROM bits
edit: if you open Albums and select any picture You want, it will open in full screen, tap it, and 4 icon menu comes up, 3rd from the left with 2 arrows > tap this one and there is an option *mail*.
select the account (i would use email) and voila! is that what you were looking for?
Thanks Aziraphale_l I was talking about MMS. I want to send and receive picture mail with text messaging. Right now I cant send or recieve pictures except with email. But of course my friends do not have pda phones so we use MMS picture mail.
I was guessing this is what you said you removed. I looked for arcsoft for 6.5 and I see that HTC is now using "HTC Message" so I will go look for that. Thanks again.
Maybe this one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=624375
With these settings from the same thread.
Server Name: Cingular MMS
Gateway: wireless.cingular.com
Port:80
Server address: http://mmsc.cingular.com
Connect via: Media Net
Send Limit: 300k
Wap Version: 2.0
I'll try to send an MMS tomorrow.
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Thanks Aziraphale_l I was talking about MMS. I want to send and receive picture mail with text messaging. Right now I cant send or recieve pictures except with email. But of course my friends do not have pda phones so we use MMS picture mail.
I was guessing this is what you said you removed. I looked for arcsoft for 6.5 and I see that HTC is now using "HTC Message" so I will go look for that. Thanks again.
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HTC messaging, which I understand handles MMS functionality in our devices, has evolved into... well, something I did not like any more, so it had to go.
I personally don't use MMS, so it is no big deal for me.
Your ArcSoft link below - I see no reason why it will not work, give it a try? You can then share Your findings with the rest of us.
P.S. Battery life on this ROM is the best I have ever seen!
I have tried a dozen ROMs and I usually stick with them for a month or so I guess. They are either lite with bugs or heavy with eye candy and bugs. So far I haven't had a single issue with yours. I think many developers get in to much of a hurry. I appreciate the great job you did on this.
I notice today that to get from one task to another, one program to another or one event to another I use fewer steps because everything is simple and functional. Thanks again.
I cooked in Arcsoft_MMS_5_2_8_45 on mine, after pulling out HTC Messaging, if I remember rightly it worked but it's very rare I use MMS anyway. If you install it afterwards, re-run carrier provisioning (or whatever it's called ... where it sets up your network settings automatically) and it should configure Arcsoft for ya.
Right now I'm running EnergyROM 23xxx from 1st of May but battery is suffering and it crashes a bit, not mega fast either. It is a nice flashy ROM tho I used to hate 23xxx and much prefer 21xxx but lately I'm kinda undecided.
Thanks for the haptic feedback registry edit; works great.
Also with regard to cooking in SafeInboxExtender look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=677105