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There is one important thing I want you all to understand when voting on that post. I've already written it there but I'm not sure if people are actually reading the post before voting...
The Herald and the Wing are the SAME device with different keyboards.
If you divide the forums a few issues will arise.
1. Cooks like me, who make ROMs and release both Herald and Wing versions will have to double post.
2. Cooks will not notice new innovations that were created by one person or another unless they read BOTH forums.
3. People will start to only visit one forum and they might miss reading something that may give them ideas. Ideas lead to innovation. It's the same device, so whatever benefits one, benefits us all.
I'll be releasing my EasyBakeOven... Originally it was a Wing kitchen only... if it wasn't for the fact that the Herald forum was one and the same, I would have never thought of making it Herald compatible... Things like this WILL happen.
The reason why I never got confused about the Herald/Wing issue was because I had had a Wizard before and I knew that the title of the forum would be under HTC's code name and I knew that the keyboard might not quite match from one device to another (as Tmobile LOOOOVES adding "tzone" buttons to their devices.)
I say we rename the forum to herald/wing or at least make a sticky saying "THIS IS THE WING FORUM" and telling people about the keyboard difference and instead of dividing the forums, pulling together all our resources and build newer innovations for the Herald device.
it shouldn´t be a new forum. jsut a subforum like "G4" for wizard. they also ahve to read both forums. BUT important things belonging to one device Herald OR wing can be found easier....
and as the wish of 75% of the users IS to create a wing SUBforum....
BUT "flar" didn´t answer till now..
That's why I made this post, to educate those people that might have thought it through. They're thinking they're two completely different devices or don't realize that it will slow down the cooking progress.
ivanmmj said:
That's why I made this post, to educate those people that might have thought it through. They're thinking they're two completely different devices or don't realize that it will slow down the cooking progress.
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???? slow down cooking process ????
why? it only kills some ONLY wing-related threads to another subforum....
of course the devices ARE the same.
BUT wizard is also one device BUT G4 has some spezialities.... and therefor another subforum...
papamopps said:
???? slow down cooking process ????
why? it only kills some ONLY wing-related threads to another subforum....
of course the devices ARE the same.
BUT wizard is also one device BUT G4 has some spezialities.... and therefor another subforum...
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second that
I still say just rename this forum to include wing in the title or in the description and call it a day.
papamopps said:
???? slow down cooking process ????
why? it only kills some ONLY wing-related threads to another subforum....
of course the devices ARE the same.
BUT wizard is also one device BUT G4 has some spezialities.... and therefor another subforum...
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That's going to kill things like my kitchen and my ROM and ttran's rom into another forum altogether. If I had never kept up with the Herald side of things, I would not have adapted them to work on herald devices.
I never liked the G4 separation, either. But most G3 roms were full fledge ROMs that required CID unlocked devices. G4 roms have different SPL's and other things and couldn't be CID unlocked without paying for it. In their case, their ROMs were a lot less compatible.
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That's going to kill things like my kitchen and my ROM and ttran's rom into another forum altogether. If I had never kept up with the Herald side of things, I would not have adapted them to work on herald devices.
I never liked the G4 separation, either. But most G3 roms were full fledge ROMs that required CID unlocked devices. G4 roms have different SPL's and other things and couldn't be CID unlocked without paying for it. In their case, their ROMs were a lot less compatible.
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what is the problem to cook a rom for wing - post it there and mention that it can also been used for herald.
but with the known for noobs that it was firstly cooked for wing!! based on a wing rom !
of course you can use the roms on both deices
BUT some are based on wing roms and some on herald....
that´s all.
if this would kill your roms. sad.
but for noobs better to understand why they have issus with a wingrom on herald and a heraldrom on wing...
for me i stop discussing because at least it is the admin dicision...
I must say that ivanmmj's opinion makes absolutely sense to me. I had the same thoughts.
The Herald/Wing community is already so small that a further separation will shrink the overall effectiveness.
Unlike the differences between a G4/G3 version of other HTC devices the Wing and Herald only differ in the hardware keyboard and simply the casing.
Since Duprade made the effort to overcome this barrier we shouldn't create a new one a devide the Herald and Wing users.
We are already a small group.
My Understanding is that you can Not use a Wing ROM on the Herald as you can Not use a Herald ROM on the Wing. Keyboard and other issues. So you have to separate them anyway.
Am I Wrong?
papamopps said:
what is the problem to cook a rom for wing - post it there and mention that it can also been used for herald.
but with the known for noobs that it was firstly cooked for wing!! based on a wing rom !
of course you can use the roms on both deices
BUT some are based on wing roms and some on herald....
that´s all.
if this would kill your roms. sad.
but for noobs better to understand why they have issus with a wingrom on herald and a heraldrom on wing...
for me i stop discussing because at least it is the admin dicision...
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The ROMs we have here are based out of ports of other ROMs, too. The only real problem with using the wrong ROM is the keyboard. Unfortunately, it's the new users unwillingness to read that causes the problems that they get. I'm just worried because, like zcink mentioned, we're small enough as it is.
I'm not saying that I will stop cooking, but that I might have not have done it from the begining if it had been a divided forum from the begining.
It IS the Admin's choice, but unless he/she is given a good choice to choose from, he/she will just go with what they see first that people might want. I know that if I were the admin of a site THIS large, I wouldn't have the time to read every post regarding every issue.
Either way, I just want to make sure that people who choose, choose after knowing the full picture.
zcink said:
My Understanding is that you can Not use a Wing ROM on the Herald as you can Not use a Herald ROM on the Wing. Keyboard and other issues. So you have to separate them anyway.
Am I Wrong?
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You can use it vice versa
keep it how it is just rename it to herald/wing
zcink said:
My Understanding is that you can Not use a Wing ROM on the Herald as you can Not use a Herald ROM on the Wing. Keyboard and other issues. So you have to separate them anyway.
Am I Wrong?
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You are wrong
The main difference was the keyboard mismatch which has been solved
KEYBOARD FIX for WING / HERALD & ROM hardware keyboard (keybddr.dll) mismatch
That was pretty much the only difference that was a problem.
I think separating them is ridiculous. I agree 100% with IVAN, Simplicity05, and GAMBIT. I definitely say let's add the name to the forum, and we'll make a sticky for n00bs and that can include all the info they need to know...
but the herald/wing is a SMALL community so segregating it will just make it worse in my honest opinion.
So now instead of dealing with people posting stuff in the wrong herald subforum as we stand now .... we're going to have to start dealing with:
"this post should go into the Wing forum"
"this post should go into the herald forum"
"this post should go into the Wing forum"
"this post should go into the herald forum"
"this post should go into the Wing forum"
"this post should go into the herald forum"
"this post should go into the Wing forum"
"this post should go into the herald forum"
"this post should go into the Wing forum"
"this post should go into the herald forum"
Personally, I've been installing Herald roms on my wing since day 1, using the aserg method, but now with the hardSPL we really shouldn't have any issues going forward. I think a Wing forum just leaves things to be missed. If you only check the wing one, you might miss out on a great rom (Kudos to itje!!!)
I say we rename the forum to herald/wing or at least make a sticky saying "THIS IS THE WING FORUM" and telling people about the keyboard difference and instead of dividing the forums, pulling together all our resources and build newer innovations for the Herald device.[/QUOTE
I came here to post my thoughts , I definitely agree on renaming the forum, a sub forum would definitely be confusing to many people and cause double posting. I will go vote now.
yea i changed my vote from new sub form to my suggestion of renaming the forms we have now, and making up a comrehencive post, which i did and got my frist sticky here at xda.
i think between the rename and the post i put together. and the help of all the great minds on this form with helping me add all the good data we can find - we will make it that much easier for us and noobs like myself to navigate
OK. Let´s stay a big family and rename it.
I´ll report "flar"... the admin.
(singing) "We are family" .......... :-D
itje said:
(singing) "We are family" .......... :-D
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(clapping to itje's beat)
I don't know if ya'll noticed.
But the hard SPL for the blackstone had been released.
BANG + 20 roms released aswell.
Why isn't this happening for the Xperia?
We only have 2 good ROM builders....
I'm downloading the Xperia Citchen of Itje,
and going to try to get my old Rom coocking skills back.
I would love the see many roms for the Xperia.
Cmon, who wouldn't ???
Could some of the Rom coockers make a tutorial for the public.
So more ppl get involved into Rom coocking!!!!
Thx.
Xperia cooks
well go buy them a phone....im sure they will cook you one then
liamhere said:
well go buy them a phone....im sure they will cook you one then
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HAHAHA duh. But now back on topic
A tutorial would be a help, i've downloaed kovsky package, but as its my first time playing with a windows mobile, I have a lot to learn
I agree with you, the xperia has really very few support from cookers here.
i noticed that weeks ago, there are only one or two rooms released for x1 thought the hard spl was released long time ago.
I hope we will see more cookers on x1 section soon.
perhaps sony pay them for not releasing roms =)
I'm sure we'll see more I'm sure when the X1a is widely available in the US. And then in three years when its availble in Canada
we dont exactly have a lot of base roms to work with
so if we were suddenly inundated with new cooked roms then theyd only be based on the same couple of core os revisions.
I am also an owner of a SE X1 and I am trying to learn to cook my own Rom.
I have read on the forum as also the Wiki of XDA for 3 weeks and I read so many treats about:
• flashing my X1.
• creating my own packages.
• cooking different kind of roms with several kind of packages.
• and now im trying to build my own ROM with my own splash screen and
with a lighter version of WM6.1.
I'm learning quite fast. But sad enough there itn´t a Master tutorial for doing al this. After all this i want to build my own Panel. I don't know if
that can be customised. but I give it a try.
I wanna thank you all for all the online Tutorials.
I´m also going to try youtube for some Videos about "Cooking you own Rom"
Greetz PeteyB
Please cook ROMS
I know that X1 is not favorite as DIAMOND,
but please for god sake cook some ROMS.
Thank You Very Much
CHEERS !!!
fards said:
we dont exactly have a lot of base roms to work with
so if we were suddenly inundated with new cooked roms then theyd only be based on the same couple of core os revisions.
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Courier advice to me says my X1 (supposedly "a") may be delivered today or tomorrow, so I was looking forward to playing. Too close to Xmas family-time for very much of that, however.
There is JL's basic 1.04 ROM. Full extraction of this nbh file allows you to add/subtract what you want. As I understand it, the XIP section is device-independent, so newer XIP's from any of the sub-forums are useful. OEM's are what SE has coded for this device and these are obviously limited. Additional CAB packages are there for the looking.
All up, an incentive to understand dsm, rgu, hv etc. This is not easy as there are only snippets of competing, conflicting and incomplete information available in the various sub-forum resources.
One thing I hope to post before Xmas is the accuracy of the 850Mhz UMTS availability in the X1a. If this proves accurate, extracting the radio ROM is my next step.
I think the reason why there are not many cooked rom because not a lot of cooker own the experia. And the X1a looks like an endanger species in NA so that's prob the reason why.
they key question is, will the x1a roms work on x1i cause of the one camera and fps recording diffrence.....
+1 for a tutorial on creating a simple, asumes only basic knowlage about the device rom cooking guide
there is alot of cool stuff in the wiki but it it does not have everything and it no organised properly. im still forced to read ridicouls amounts of irrelevent text in old threads
that would greatly help
ianl8888 said:
the XIP section is device-independent, so newer XIP's from any of the sub-forums are useful.
Yep I've built two roms based on ported xips for this now, one off the newest blackstone, and one off the raphael, but wasn't happy with either, I think I prefer building off the stock SEUS rom.
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xmoo said:
they key question is, will the x1a roms work on x1i cause of the one camera and fps recording diffrence.....
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@xmoo
Two separate questions here:
1) x1a radio ROM's on X1i ? Obviously, that cannot yet be answered. Read my post, please - I will try to answer the question when the device finally arrives, maybe today or tomorrow, by extracting the radio and posting it here. Hassling will not make this happen any quicker, OK ?
2) crippled fps recording ? I'm afraid I couldn't care less. For me, a total irrelevancy
fatso485 said:
+1 for a tutorial on creating a simple, asumes only basic knowlage about the device rom cooking guide
there is alot of cool stuff in the wiki but it it does not have everything and it no organised properly. im still forced to read ridicouls amounts of irrelevent text in old threads
that would greatly help
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@fatso485
Yes, of course, but I'm afraid that's not going to happen:
1) there are a variety of ways to deal with the rgu's, dsm's, initflashes, hv files etc. There seems to be no common agreement amongst the experienced cooks on how to do these necessary operations; certainly, there is no complete guide on this, just snippets of conflicting and incomplete advice ... and some of this is plain wrong
2) most cooks protect their ROM in any case, since donations are part of their income. There are some genuinely noble exceptions, such as M'Amine and cs_shekhar, but extracting their ROM's reveals very different methods of dealing with 1) above
Our best way forward is to examine those ROM's that we can extract fully and sort out a methodical path. At least, that's what I'm attempting.
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@xmoo
Two separate questions here:
1) x1a radio ROM's on X1i ? Obviously, that cannot yet be answered. Read my post, please - I will try to answer the question when the device finally arrives, maybe today or tomorrow, by extracting the radio and posting it here. Hassling will not make this happen any quicker, OK ?
2) crippled fps recording ? I'm afraid I couldn't care less. For me, a total irrelevancy
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Telstra here in Aus have just released the X1a and I picked mine up on Friday and loving it.
I'm happy to help dump the ROM/Radio if someone is willing to help me as I haven't done it before.
Let me know.
Dev
thedeva said:
Telstra here in Aus have just released the X1a and I picked mine up on Friday and loving it.
I'm happy to help dump the ROM/Radio if someone is willing to help me as I haven't done it before.
Let me know.
Dev
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That's good !! Mine is now not due till tomorrow.
But before you go attempting a dump (and I'll help you through that), the most critical question we have is this:
1) since you bought it from Telstra, I'm assuming you have a Telstra SIM capable of 3G. (If not, end of story).
If this assumption is correct, the question becomes "which area or region are you in ?" This is most important for the next step, because if you are in a city-type area (Sydney, Melbourne etc), your 3G will automatically connect to the UMTS 2100Mhz band that Telstra uses in these areas.
Since the X1i also does this, it will tell us nothing new.
If you are in a regional area, your SIM will attempt to connect 3G on the UMTS 850Mhz band because the 2100Mhz band cannot penetrate the larger distances with its shorter wavelength. The Telstra 3G-enabled SIM card does this switch automatically. but if the hardware or firmware in the device cannot connect to the 850Mhz frequency, you will not be able to do 3G in a regional area.
So, which area are you in, please ? If regional, can you connect to 3G?
We should buy Dutty a X1... I had Diamond, Touch Pro and now X1. X1 has the best potential, but is lagging with the best cooks being in other devices.
I see one CDMA Rom and surely there are more. Please, where are they located? Just a suggestion, why not make a section for just CDMA Roms.
i have a cdma touch pro and i love my energy rom, before energy i used mighty rom and it was really nice but i didnt care for the touch flo.
Check out my thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=544837 and i've got many more at my website (at the bottom of my thread)
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I see one CDMA Rom and surely there are more. Please, where are they located? Just a suggestion, why not make a section for just CDMA Roms.
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ppcgeeks.com is where the CDMA stuff is usually at. XDA is the master of the GSM phones
everythingdiamond.info is starting to take off as well for CDMA phones.
Have you seen ppc geeks lately? Login doesnt work right. Updates are non existant, sucks really....
ap90033 said:
Have you seen ppc geeks lately? Login doesnt work right. Updates are non existant, sucks really....
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try again, i been on there all day, no probs here. and everythingdiamond.info is one of the best right now. good luck
I seem to be the only one so forgive me if im slow or dont know something i should. Some of these ROMS are do not explicitly state they are GSM or CDMA...How am i supposed to know? Is there ANY way we can seperate the ROMS so i dont go and Flash my ROM with a GSM one? I have before but its annoying reloading another ROM from it...
separate section
ang1dust said:
I seem to be the only one so forgive me if im slow or dont know something i should. Some of these ROMS are do not explicitly state they are GSM or CDMA...How am i supposed to know? Is there ANY way we can seperate the ROMS so i dont go and Flash my ROM with a GSM one? I have before but its annoying reloading another ROM from it...
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That is why there is a separate section under Rhodium General specifically for the CDMA devices. Furthermore it is well documented that this forum in general caters to the GSM devices. PPCGeeks, I think, is the major CDMA forum.
What the difference between the CDMA Rom section and the MDA Compact Rom section?
/wiki/T-Mobile_MDA
/wiki/CDMA
(isnt letting me post links, but just put en (dot) wikipedia (dot) org before the above links)
But maybe if you are asking this question, you should not be attempting to flash your phone. If you dont know what you are doing, you can **** stuff up.
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/wiki/T-Mobile_MDA
/wiki/CDMA
(isnt letting me post links, but just put en (dot) wikipedia (dot) org before the above links)
But maybe if you are asking this question, you should not be attempting to flash your phone. If you dont know what you are doing, you can **** stuff up.
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I have been flashing my vogue for about 2 years now. I am very well aware of how to do it. I just notice that the cdma (sprint) link only has 1 rom and the MDA compact link has TONS!
thermus said:
I have been flashing my vogue for about 2 years now. I am very well aware of how to do it. I just notice that the cdma (sprint) link only has 1 rom and the MDA compact link has TONS!
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Apparently we can just answer peoples questions without assuming there idiots.
HTC Touch Diamond P3051 CDMA (DIAM500)
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1389&c=htc_touch_diamond_cdma_p3051_htc_diamond
T-Mobile MDA Compact IV (DIAM200)
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1305&view=1&c=t-mobile_mda_compact_iv_htc_diamond_
Comparison Chart
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=1305&id2=1389
Comes down to the "T-Mobile MDA Compact IV (DIAM200)" is GSM.
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Apparently we can just answer peoples questions without assuming there idiots.
HTC Touch Diamond P3051 CDMA (DIAM500)
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1389&c=htc_touch_diamond_cdma_p3051_htc_diamond
T-Mobile MDA Compact IV (DIAM200)
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1305&view=1&c=t-mobile_mda_compact_iv_htc_diamond_
Comparison Chart
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=1305&id2=1389
Comes down to the "T-Mobile MDA Compact IV (DIAM200)" is GSM.
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Thanks for all this info BUT I know what the difference between CDMA and GSM is. My question is.... How come there are so many roms posted under the GSM thread and NOT the CDMA thread. I would like to flash to a new rom with my CDMA diamond and not sure which is best to use. I only use my phone for texting and basic internet. I dont need all the bells and whistles. Would like it to be windows mobile 6.5.x version. Any suggestions? Again, this is a Sprint PCS CDMA Diamond.
PPCGEEKS has more CDMA ROMS to try
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PPCGEEKS has more CDMA ROMS to try
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Done. Thank you.