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scrolls in hesitations and jerks.....then just'll run.
Is this fixable?
min scrolls really well!!!
maybe you have to practice a little bit more with the touch flo...the first two day I felt the same as you do now
and you can always try PIEplu: it has the ability to drag the webpage you are viewing..
cheers
duke911 said:
min scrolls really well!!!
maybe you have to practice a little bit more with the touch flo...the first two day I felt the same as you do now
and you can always try PIEplu: it has the ability to drag the webpage you are viewing..
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Well yes Touch Flo improves it, but I agree with the OP this is a real pain. I have swapped to Opera Mini (that I don't really like) that is much smoother. As I previously reported here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1513990
I feel this can probably be overcome. So far it's about my only real complaint abot this device.
I'm off to read up on Menneisyys writings about PPC browsers to see all the alternatives.
Mike
Consider to use RAMDISK, and move the cache there ...
http://forum.brighthand.com/showthread.php?p=1390493
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=1091&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
For sure, this will speed up web browsing.
Has anyone tried Opera Mobile 8.65 (Not Opera Mini please). What is the behaviour for scrolling with opera mobile. Is it any better than PIE??
Thanks
There are so many Opera versions out there...
The one I have been using 15316. Before that I was using some other version, I can't remember which.
Anyway, I am tired of this flipping the screen upside down everytime I exit it (in landscape).
Which is the best version to use on a Tilt?
SaltyDawg said:
There are so many Opera versions out there...
The one I have been using 15316. Before that I was using some other version, I can't remember which.
Anyway, I am tired of this flipping the screen upside down everytime I exit it (in landscape).
Which is the best version to use on a Tilt?
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I was using Opera 9.5 beta 2, and hated the whole widget mess that they created, so I rolled back to beta 1. So far no complaints.
TelloMan said:
I was using Opera 9.5 beta 2, and hated the whole widget mess that they created, so I rolled back to beta 1. So far no complaints.
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Where can I get it? What is the build number?
Just a tip, build 15233 ripped from the Omnia worked very well in the short time I used it. There was no screen flipping problem, and it was very stable. It also supported zooming by sliding your finger on the side of the screen. I think the real reason I stopped using it was there was some kind of text reflow issue when you zoomed it though. It has no widgets, although it installs a shortcut to the non-existent widgets, so you need to delete it.
However, I currently use NFSFan's build 15316, which I like due to its 10 tab support and speed. However, as a trade off, it suffers from the screen flipping problem if you minimize it or touch the taskbar while using it. And I definitely agree with TelloMan about the widgets, they just waste space and annoy me. Try to keep looking around XDA, especially in Development and Hacking (where I found many opera builds).
Dave
Yeah, NSFan's 15316 is the one I'm using now. The screen flipping is driving me crazy.
It's hard to believe there isn't one decent browser for Windows Mobile. Anyone know what's going on with that Firefox Mobile?
you're referring to "Minimo" by Mozilla. I haven't seen or heard much lately from them. There's some opera builds are fairly close to perfection depending on what irritates you the least amount. Too bad none of them has flash working perfectly yet. If I had to choose 2 browsers for WM, it would be netfront and opera mobile
well... call me heretic, but imho for casual browsing and forums the best one is opera mini and if I need to use my bank's web page or anything more complicated iexplorer is reliable enough. additionally, I have skyfire installed on my memcard just to make sure that I can browse whatever I want.
the answer? opera mini and skyfire in my opinion. I am tired of o.mobile bugs and new builds every few days/weeks.
Actually, I think he is referring to Fennec, not minimo. Minimo was horrible and requires very high specs, while Fennec, which is still in alpha/early beta, is very unstable yet very promising. It will be quite a while before it will be really usable. I would just stick to opera mobile for now. Skyfire works well, but isn't 100% stable. Opera mini is fast, but not full featured.
As I said, Fennec is very promising, but it is extremely unstable and VGA only for now.
Dave
bronx said:
well... call me heretic, but imho for casual browsing and forums the best one is opera mini and if I need to use my bank's web page or anything more complicated iexplorer is reliable enough. additionally, I have skyfire installed on my memcard just to make sure that I can browse whatever I want.
the answer? opera mini and skyfire in my opinion. I am tired of o.mobile bugs and new builds every few days/weeks.
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I agree about Mini i use it for pretty much everything then for sensitive info use Mobile.
"I like fast pages and come from SP stock so used to the Mini approach"
I used to get annoyed by the text flipping, but Manila2D always corrects the screen back to portrait when you hit the homescreen. I've been using that as my bandaid.
Build 15233 is yummy
DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
Just a tip, build 15233 ripped from the Omnia worked very well in the short time I used it. There was no screen flipping problem, and it was very stable. It also supported zooming by sliding your finger on the side of the screen.
<snippy snip snip>
Dave
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Like Dave was, I just got build 15233 running per the instructions at
http://www.smartphonemag.com/cms/blog/9/tutorial-everything-you-need-know-about-flash-lite-3-and-playing-back-flash-web-videos
and it is by far the best browser experience I've had on my Tilt yet. Flash even worked on http://www.spezzo.com.
It isn't very fast, but compared to IE and the first Minimo, this actually WORKS. I can switch from mobile versions to desktop versions, zoom and scroll, and it uses my IE favorites.
AT&T Tilt
Windows Mobile 6.1 (Build 19199.dutty's)
Thanks XDA good guys!
Dear Cooks,
Firstly I would like to thank all of you for the fantastic ROMs you make available to all the Xperia users. I personally appreciate your work and have also made some donations to express my support for your endeavours.
This post is to signal a bug that is present in many roms, yet it is not the fault of the cooks.
THE PROBLEM
Opera 9.5 has issues with the hardware keyboard of the Xperia. In most builds opera 9.5 will not allow the use of the HW keyboard to type text in the web pages (i.e. keyboard works to write in the opera address bars; however it does not work to type in the web page itself: like in google home page, or in the home page of Airlines when you need to write the details of your destination etc. etc.).
This problem is particularly bad beacuse Opera is very often cooked in the Rom ad the default browser and is associated to the TF3D internet tab. Under these circumstances Opera cannot be uninstalled and substituted with a working version; moreover installing a working version on top of the non working one produces many bugs.
A HUMBLE SUGGESTION
Plesase, when cooking your roms could you try implementing one of the Opera 9.5 builds that are proven to be compatible with the HW keyboard of the Xperia? For one, I know that build 15969 works.
Link: http://rapidshare.com/files/210069981/WM6.1_PPC_dawn_Opera_15969_signed.cab
[Props to Ds07 for the link]
It is not the most recent version, I know. However it works well enough.
Thank you very much.
P.S. If anyone is aware of other possible solutions to this issue, please feel free to contribute to this thread.
maybe make a poll and see what ppl want......rhodium opera vs x1 opera
x1 opera will enable hardware keyboard and reduce ram usage as it does not run in background.
but it will also mean that opera will boot slower AND pushinternet wont work!
@agent_47
I see your point.
However, having the HW keyboard disabled on my default browser appears like a rather big problem when compared to little benefit that "pushinternet" brings.
Moreover, if I am not mistaken, Pushinternet is a Manila feature only. While Opera versions with non functioning HW Keyboard are found in ALL roms.
I agree, this makes the whole HW-keyboard useless as I mostly use it in Opera. I just flashed EnergyRom and this is really annoying
i cant understand the discussion? why not just install an opera build over the preinstalled build then it will work, i dont see an big issue in it.
My oscar goes to the hardware keyboard version..
I find the Push Internet version is just a waste of space in ROM, as i don't need it and it is definetly < HW keyboard support!
That's why i bought an Xperia.. Because of its keyboard!
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i cant understand the discussion? why not just install an opera build over the preinstalled build then it will work, i dont see an big issue in it.
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This is a VERY inefficient solution. For example in the current NRG rom installing an opera build that works with HW keyboard over the preinstalled one renders Opera unusable. When that happens, you have the default browser that is associated with numerous file extensions that won't work anymore.
Moreover, if you try installing 9.7 on top of the preinstalled Opera, it simply won't work.
I have investigated this quite a bit; it's a topic that has come up for many other devices. Removing a specific opera build to replace it with another one is very hard when opera is originally cooked in the Rom.
For me, being unable to use the HW keyboard in the default browser is a rather big issue.
I agree with having the version that includes keyboard support.
For what it's worth even Opera 9.7b1 supports out keyboard better, even though there is no push support... push....hm, anyone here remember the PointCast network and client...
Agent 47's latest ROMs have been the best all around versions I've used so far (giving credit and thanks to the entire cookin' devs however)... with the exception of the Opera niggle...
I end up using the Iris browser, to avoid having multiple Opera versions running
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@agent_47
Moreover, if I am not mistaken, Pushinternet is a Manila feature only. While Opera versions with non functioning HW Keyboard are found in ALL roms.
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Push Internet MUST use that particular Opera to work. I like the PushInternet idea once, but finally give it up and use stock Opera instead because it preloading single page w/o sub sequence links is pretty useless to the whole browsing experience.
That's why I leave Opera alone and let user install whatever version they like.
I believe some interesting elements are emerging:
1) Non Manila ROMs are probably better off with Opera 15969 or any Opera build that supports HW keyboard
2) Manila ROMs have the issue of PushInternet.
Personally, considering the limited benefits of this function and the highcost in terms of RAM....I would definitely prefer having a version of Opera that supports HW keyboard.
I guess it will come down to what the cooks prefer.
However, it would be nice if cooks and users alike continued expressing their opinion on the matter.
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Push Internet MUST use that particular Opera to work. I like the PushInternet idea once, but finally give it up and use stock Opera instead because it preloading single page w/o sub sequence links is pretty useless to the whole browsing experience.
That's why I leave Opera alone and let user install whatever version they like.
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i totally agree with u...pushinternet IS pretty useless...BUT when i installed opera 9.7 and let out Push internet, some one reported a bug that he cant use it even when he activates it from registry and manilla
this also bugs me. pretty every ROM i try has this issue. surfing the web is pretty pointless imho if u cant search for anything. i mean ... the only reason we all bought this phone was the keyboard and then we cant use it. this makes most custom rom's somehwat useless to me (for me ... dont start any flaming cause thats my opinion. and opinions are like assholes. every1 has one ^^).
yes yes yes..!! this is the post.. u r da man!!
i would really dissapointed to see my opera is still couldnt use hardware ky..!!
i tried opera 9.7 b1 with hardware keyboard.. it works well.. disable the push web straight away.. haha
I bought my X1 because of the decent HW keyboard, not because of Push Internet
You can flash roms without Opera, like me. I've installed my stock 15431 Opera from russian r3a007 over 3.61 BareBone ant I haven't any problems with it.
And I think 3.61 BB rom is one of the best working roms out there.
sorry, doublepost
this IS the holy grail thread for a majority of x1 opera users...
i just posted in agent_47's thread about this being one of the outstanding issues i'm experiencing with his rom, and someone actually has the decency to make it into a brand new thread. But yea, I thought this issue was 'isolated' and that other rom cookers were using the default r3a opera /w full hw kb support on theirs and i preferred the valkyrie so i just wanted to swop out the opera running on it...
turns out every romcooker is doing the same. I daresay the first cook that puts in a fully functional opera is gonna nab the most popularity. What i don't understand, as romcooks and xperia x1 users, how did you guys manage to live with using the measly software kb to use opera!? ?
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turns out every romcooker is doing the same. I daresay the first cook that puts in a fully functional opera is gonna nab the most popularity.
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That's a bit exaggerated... there have always been good and popular ROMs around with proper HW keyboard support.
It's just that most of us here are "freaks": Easily hyped with new functions and higher version numbers (even if there's no real benefit) - and less interested in 100% stability and usability.
But there are always ROMs around which offer less bling-bling-featuritis - they are just not on forum page 1. The choice is up to yourself.
well yea i guess everyone would wanna go for the bling and the functionality.
there are probably a 100 other romcookers out there, but i guess my statement was targetted towards the more popular ones that people actually use .
This is the first time Im doing a post on xda dwvelopers. And it is bacause I would realy like to know whenever someome finds a solution for enabling hw keyboard to woerk with Opera browswrs that comes with coocked ROMs.., Sorry for the typing mistakes but my hw keyboard is not working.
what version is the opera browser already installed on the xperia x1? i have both this one and opera mobile 10
and in ur openion what is the best browser for the x1?
I installed Skyfire from the windows marketplace and i've got to say its very fast and very easy to use - my second choice would be the opera pre-installed because you can use the volumn buttons to zoom in (unlike opera 10 )
Best PPC Browser I've ever used: UC Web Browser
Free - Fast - Anonymouse
I guess it's 9.5.
surprising nobody has voted for PIE yet
my vote went for opera mini
Opera rocks like none............................ Its user interface has now set a benchmark which will let us, the user to feel the web in our hand without being connected to wires.
lol opera mobile 10 is sweet, full internet support, even youtube like the desktop experience
I will say that:
There's still no perfect browser.
I don't know if there will be any.
For now Opera Mini 5 native for WM is the fastest
and works good,
but OMobile 10 supports more things in browsing.
Unfortunately still OMobile 9.5
on X1 can do things no other can do....
Best browser for me would be Opera mobile 10 with the possibilities of Skyfire. Now it is Opera Mobile 10 because its fast, but I also use Skyfire if I cant get the desktop version of a site on Opera Mobile.
9.5 > SkyFire > All others
Mini sucks.
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9.5 > SkyFire > All others
Mini sucks.
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Interesting view.
9.5 is capable but slow...
And crashes very often.
Skyfire I don't use
but Mini native is really impressive in many areas.
doministry said:
Interesting view.
9.5 is capable but slow...
And crashes very often.
Skyfire I don't use
but Mini native is really impressive in many areas.
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Agreed about the 9.5 I find that the pluses outweigh the minuses in this particular case.
SkyFire was pathetic at the beginning, but is getting better with every update. Too bad it doesn't have multiple tab support, yet.
Mini annoys me for some reason.
The Fennec browser will be the next big thing IMHO. It is quite awesome even on this early stage of development.
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Agreed about the 9.5 I find that the pluses outweigh the minuses in this particular case.
SkyFire was pathetic at the beginning, but is getting better with every update. Too bad it doesn't have multiple tab support, yet.
Mini annoys me for some reason.
The Fennec browser will be the next big thing IMHO. It is quite awesome even on this early stage of development.
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Fennec/Mozilla for WM is OVER.
Officially stopped all the development for it.
Maybe for WP7...
doministry said:
Fennec/Mozilla for WM is OVER.
Officially stopped all the development for it.
Maybe for WP7...
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Yup, I have faith, though. Put on hold doesn't mean cancelled + they are still developing it for other platforms.
Aha,in China Everyone like using UCWEB as the internet browser.
so i choose UCWEB. not you mentioned above.
I am using iris browser. Sadly it is not available anymore. Only browser so far that passes acid3-test.
Sadly, every browser have at least one major problem.
- Skyfire webpages looks like **** and there is no costumization options
- New IE in WM6.5 is actually really good, but is SLOOOOOOOOOOOW
- Opera already installed (probably you mean 9.x) dont support HW keyboard
- Opera mini dont have zoom setting (only font size which corrupt lots of pages) and dont support javascript.
- OM10 is really close to perfect browser, but when you click link or back button, there is no indication that it started loading, so you dont know if you actually clicked it.
Anyway, my choice is OM10.
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Fennec/Mozilla for WM is OVER.
Officially stopped all the development for it.
Maybe for WP7...
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AFAIK Mozilla said that they wont develop browser if M$ wont open platform. Which probably wont happen.
matejdro said:
Sadly, every browser have at least one major problem.
- Skyfire webpages looks like **** and there is no costumization options
- New IE in WM6.5 is actually really good, but is SLOOOOOOOOOOOW
- Opera already installed (probably you mean 9.x) dont support HW keyboard
- Opera mini dont have zoom setting (only font size which corrupt lots of pages) and dont support javascript.
- OM10 is really close to perfect browser, but when you click link or back button, there is no indication that it started loading, so you dont know if you actually clicked it.
Anyway, my choice is OM10.
AFAIK Mozilla said that they wont develop browser if M$ wont open platform. Which probably wont happen.
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EXACTLY my feelings.
IE could be so good if faster!!
matejdro said:
Sadly, every browser have at least one major problem.
- Skyfire webpages looks like **** and there is no costumization options
- Opera already installed (probably you mean 9.x) dont support HW keyboard
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Not ture.
- The resolution and sharpness is a lot better in the newest version.
- Lolwat? Yes it does.
True,
Opera Mobile supports HW qwerty perfectly.
Hello all, I already talked about this in another thread called "ICS 4.04 disapointment" but I think that this news diserve a specific thread as people in search of a good web browser may not be interested in reading the "ICS 4.04 disapointment" thread...
I just tried Opera Mini, and now when running ICS this browser is a lot more fluid than the stock one. With the stock browser when displaying some pages with big pictures in it, it sometimes became slow. Opera Mini is absolutly fluid whatever you display with it, just as good as on an iPad !!!! Exactly what I was searching for !
The only problem is an annoying bug : when you switch to another app, if you go back to Opera all previously opened tabs are closed, just like if you were running Opera for the first time. As far as I remember, when I was tried Opera Mini with Honeycomb I didn't have this problem. So I guess this bug with ICS may be corrected in the future.
Now that I know we can have a very fluid web browsing experience on our Xoom running ICS, I really feel like I have a new device.
I also tried Opera Mobile and Dolphin but they are slower than the stock browser. Opera Mini is really the best regarding the fluidity. There is another one called "Opera Mini Next" but I couldn't see no differences between those two apps.
Note : if you have a problem where sometimes the website cannot be displayed, go to the Opera parameters and change the setting "protocol" from "socket/http" to "http". Now that this parameter has been changed on mine, I never had a problem displaying a web page.
So, if your Xoom runs ICS, please try Opera Mini and let me know what you think about it (but I guess you'll love it).
Data save upper to 85 percent by loading a webpage. It's really to help you consumption plan with 3G network for the surf by the phone.
It is more fluid, because the pictures are compressed. It's a lot easier to handle a 20kB pic than a 500kB.
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It is more fluid, because the pictures are compressed. It's a lot easier to handle a 20kB pic than a 500kB.
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Thanks for this information but it's not the only thing as some sites which contains only a few small photos are very laggy with the other browsers, but ultra-fluid with Opera (wikistrike.com for exemple).
I finally found that the reason of losing the open tabs in Opera when switching to another app was a bad parameter in my ICS.
So finally I couldn't find any major problem with this app. Opera Mini is now my default browser.
I also could read that the perfect fluidity of Opera Mini is due to the fact that Opera uses a server to compress all web pages before loading them. So here is its secret !
Anyway it works so fine that I don't really care how it does this.
whenever i set the image quality to medium or low, te pictures get really small.. Is there a way to stretch them?