Hi, I'm buying a G1 tomorrow, and i just have a few questions. Is it worth rooting??? and what are the Pros and Cons of rooting the G1??
Yes its worth rooting. Everything is pro and no cons. To much stuff to list.
oooo ok. I heard that if you hacked it, you will lose the warranty for the phone. is that true???
Its well worth it to have a rooted g1. Tethering, theming, audio hack, etc.
Just make sure you go through the required reading and educate yourself before you just dive in. There are TONS of great threads and tutorials around here if you search.
The hardest part is deciding which ROM you want! There are lots of those as well.
You can always revert back to stock firmware if you need to.
Tr1n1Jay said:
oooo ok. I heard that if you hacked it, you will lose the warranty for the phone. is that true???
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Just don't call T-Mobile up and tell them you did that. There is no way for them to find out. Many people have gotten replacement phones while having root.
I got a replacement on a bricked G1 that was stuck on a custom bootscreen.. Blatant evidence of tinkering. T-mobile never said a word.
Ok, thank you guys. Soo that implies that it doesnt do anything to your warranty. And how can i avoid the phone from bricking???
follow this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442480
IMO the two most important steps is making sure you have a PVT board, and making sure to flash the new Radio before flashing the new SPL.
EDIT: the only way to truly "brick" your phone is to mess up when flashing the Radio/SPL. that is one of the most common misnomers in this forum. the G1 is impossible to brick when flashing ROMs. this is why I say the two most important steps are verifying you have a PVT board and the sequence of flashing radio/spl.
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Ok, thank you guys. Soo that implies that it doesnt do anything to your warranty. And how can i avoid the phone from bricking???
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Ok, thank you guys. Soo that implies that it doesnt do anything to your warranty. And how can i avoid the phone from bricking???
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It does invalidate your warranty in theory, but if you don't tell them they don't seem to check for it. I got my girlfriend to phone up and put on her best ditzy voice.. they never even asked her about rooting lol.
The main cause of bricking is flashing the 'special' spl without first flashing the new radio rom.. which is well documented all over the place.. ergo, the main cause if bricking is not reading things properly. Don't become a statistic.
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Ok, thank you guys. Soo that implies that it doesnt do anything to your warranty. And how can i avoid the phone from bricking???
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Read, read, read. Read then reread. Make sure you understand what you are reading before you try. There are guides here to help you with everything. Just make sure to use the search button before you ask questions.
ok. i hacked a lot of things, but every device is different, soo i do have some experience. I was just curious about the warranty part. but thanks for the advice.
Tr1n1Jay said:
ok. i hacked a lot of things, but every device is different, soo i do have some experience. I was just curious about the warranty part. but thanks for the advice.
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Just don't worry about the warranty, they won't know. Did you ever worry about the warranty on other things you hacked.
im just wondering if anyone has had to pay for their repair after being found out about rooting. also is their any warranty to cover bricks?
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im just wondering if anyone has had to pay for their repair after being found out about rooting. also is their any warranty to cover bricks?
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There is really no way for T-Mobil (or HTC for that matter) to know that you have rooted your phone. If you bought your phone from T-Mobil, the warranty will cover it as long as you tell them that you didn't do anything to brick your phone. Don't mention rooting, hacking or anything like that. Simply let them walk you through the recovery process and when that fails, they will send you a refurbished phone per the warranty. If you didn't buy your phone from T-Mobil, you can send it to HTC for repair but again, don't mention anything about rooting or hacking. HTC will charge you if you send them your phone and they discover it was only soft bricked (ie bootlooping on the android screen and not the G1 screen). This would be proof positive that you were tinkering around. Bottom line is: never mention rooting, hacking, custom ROMS etc, and make sure you know that your phone is truly bricked BEFORE you send it in. As stated all around this site, there are only a handful of ways to truly brick your G1.
If you want a foolproof way of covering a potential bricked phone, buy the insurance policy from T-Mobil. The deductible to get a new G1 if something happens is usually around $100 but thats cheaper than buying a new phone.
ok thanks does that insurance policy cover bricked phones and do you know if it is available in the uk
If its truly bricked they wont know any of the modifications you made to it except your splash screen (The first thing you see when you turn on the phone) If you don't change that you should be fine. For anything else, you can always flash the DREAIMG.nbh file and it will be returnable
Is there any insurance from htc I can get to cover bricks
You can always take the safer route and not flash any ROM that requires Haykuro's SPL aka DangerSPL if you are not confident on the entire process. Just go with HardSPL and either JesusFreke's or Cyanogen's ROMs. That being said, you can still brick your device if you didn't follow the instructions carefully but at the very least, it is not as risky as using Haykuro's SPL.
And as usual, before you make any modifications, read read and reread all the threads about the particular ROM that you're attempting to flash. Spend a day combing the threads and have a mental image of the steps you'd have to perform before flashing
Ok I'm looking to flash the cyanogen rom with eng spl but I'm wondering what do I do if I brick my phone?
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Ok I'm looking to flash the cyanogen rom with eng spl but I'm wondering what do I do if I brick my phone?
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You turn it into a paper weight or a coaster.
Related
before I do this update should I run awizard or lokiwiz to get a backup...
should I do this first just incase....
what about SIM/CID unlock should I do this first or will I still be able to unlock in the future after installing this update?
any help would be kindly apprecieated...
I am about to upgrade but I dont know what I should do...
thanks..
-James
If you want to upgrade but don't know what you should do, then why don't you start reading some threads on this forum?
When you don't know what you're doin' I can only give you the advice to leave it the way it is
It's not that I don't wanna help ya out, but read first before starting to do some experiments. There are enough people that made certain mistakes before you so just check it out
hey thanks...
I have been reading for a month now and everything seems to say differnet things... I have read nearly every thread on this forum just I learn better from hands on and I have not tried anything as of yet...
thanks for you kind help... im not a dumb ass who doesnt know how to read and doesnt know how to use the search feature... but thanks for your kind help..
@c-pimp ... speaking only for myself, I haven't answered your posts on this because it doesn't appear that you HAVE read through all the postings...
Let me lay it out for you and you take it for what it's worth.
First, if you're willing to take the chance that you MIGHT brick your device then that's YOUR decision. What works for one typically works for another but ... YMMV. No one here is going to accept the responsibility for your device. Most folks here suggest that you stay with your provider's upgrades. If you have such concerns then I don't think you're ready, my opinion.
Second, if you plan on doing anything other than an official sanctioned upgrade then you must CID and SIM unlock, period. This, if done correctly, is forever.
Third, what do you have on your phone that you need to backup? I've heard people speak here of taking 6 hours to rebuild their device after an upgrade and I've never understood exactly how it could take so long. Folks here have compiled very nice cabs with most of all of the registry tweaks one could need. I personally have a folder on my SC that contains all my necessary cabs, security certificates, etc. I'm down to an hour or so to completely rebuild a freshly flashed Wizard. The original ROM's are available so there's no reason to back that up. And if you are doing a major upgrade when you flash the restore will probably break your device as many registry settings, etc are different.
Anything else I can help you with, just ask!
And please don't take offense at me as I mean no harm and am not flaming you nor speaking out of spite.
That's what I meant as well, because you said "I'm about to upgrade, but don't know what to do?" I think that there are many people here telling you to leave it alone
It wasn't my intention to flame, not at all!
Like said before backups are very personal things. Some people want to backup their complete ROM while others just want a backup of the settings from their previous ROM. I one of the people that uses the last method. But I NEVER restore a backup from an old ROM onto a new one. That's because there might be some changes in the registry of the new ROM.
Second, I unlocked my SIM\CID almost the moment it was possible on this forum. Like said before, that's a one time operation
I run the latest t-mobile 2.26 ROM and didn't have to edit NBF files or anything like that. Just install and enjoy.
Once again, it was not my intention to flame. I think it's a bad thing when people say "I wan't to do this, but I haven't got a clue how to do it" to tell them just to flash their device or something like that. Because when it fails you would answer: "I bricked my device, thanks for your kind help!"
been playing with my phone so much I have forgot to respond to alot of questions I asked.... lol... sorry bout that... I wasnt tryin to be a **** when I responded either... I did read alot on the forums but then I would get stuck up on a random post and be confused if I should do something different...
like I said hands on is really the best way for me to learn and now im totally trying new stuff on my phone every day... so sorry if I sounded like a **** when I responded ( I admit I was a little frustrated with my day that day)
-James
@c-pimp - Glad you're on the path to enlightment
(and WE didn't think you were a ****!!!)
Best of luck!
The ROM issued by T-Mobile [2.26] DOES NOT require unlocking your phone.
Can you imagine all the people who own an MDA who have never been to this or any other "tweak" forum installing the ROM and not knowing about unlocking and then it bricked there phone? T-Mo customer service wouldn't be able to handle any other calls but theres.
So back up that puppy and get to upgrading...
One thing I noticed... I downgraded the radio ROM to 1.12 from the one supplied with the 2.26 ROM. So much better!!!
although i am at risk of getting flamed for asking i am am scared ****less i'll read the wrong guide and duck up my phone.....i can't afford another one
i want to get rid of the vodafone software and the glitches the phone has. i want to completely reset my phone.
i need to know:
- which apps i need
- how to blank everything
- the os version i need which functions best on this hardware set up. (the tytnii)
hope someone is patient enough to help me out. my phone keeps doing odd stuff and it gets on my nerves
Read this entire thread. You can't fail if you read it all.
definitely check out that thread, and read the How to Flash your First ROM by Dave Shaw I think it is.
I would recommend grabbing the latest HTC stock 6.1 ROM (check the wiki for the links) and then go from there, trying custom ROMs as you see fit.
cheers all
thanks to all who replied.
i am gonna have a go tonight
take it easy all
so i had a go...
i flashed my first ROM. (and there was much rejoicing)
i read a little further down the page about a hard spl
what is one of these??
i want to get rid of the vodafone software. i want to brick my phone and start again. i suceeded in flashing my phone butit looks exactly the same.....and still does the same stupid stuff
i still dont wanna do the wrong hing with this so am hoping someone will be patient enough to tell me exactly which bit i need
yours patiently
scared ****less
ihtetytnii said:
i flashed my first ROM. (and there was much rejoicing)
i read a little further down the page about a hard spl
what is one of these??
i want to get rid of the vodafone software. i want to brick my phone and start again.
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As always the FAQs and stickies are your friend.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=SPL%20Questions%3F
Oh and I really hope you don't actually WANT to brick your phone.
Just because you unlocked and hard spl'd your phone, nothing is going to change if you flash the same old Voda rom back on to it. What rom did you flash ?
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the one in the recommended guide
all i want to do is get rid of the vodafone crap and start again
to be hones, i don't really understand much of th terminology or exactly what i'm doing. just following instructions. i'm ust a little nervous (and lazy) some of the guides (while great and accurate from what i have tried) assume a lot of knowledge and when i have to start learning stuff like this it confuses me and i tend to not achieve what i wanted.
my phone has developed some odd and irritating behaviour not to mention being slow as hell sometimes
i would quite happily swap this phone for something without a slide keyboard if there is a bit of the board where ican do that
Well......again, what rom and spl do you have currently on the phone ?
A good thing to do for someone scared ****less .. sit back, don't touch the phone, and go through reading the FAQ as posted by others. Especially flashing for noobs by mskip.
Then look up on the Kaiser Wiki on this XDA site (google Kaiser Wiki). Read through and understand what Hard SPL is, what it means to unlock your phone, and why it's important.
Combine those knowledge, you're ready to flash. Otherwise, go and pay a visit to nearest shop that offers flashing service. Pay them, and if it doesn't work, sue them. Here at XDA we can help, but you need to pickup something before we can do much help.
i have windows mobile 6.1 on here at the moment.
i'm running windows mobile version 6.1
This thread was previous titled "How To Brick Your Phone" but because of confusion over the intent of the thread I decided to change the title.
I'm not sure if this would be helpful for everyone but I know some would benefit from knowing how one can brick their phone*. It may help early explorers to know what areas of their phone are for more seasoned SU's and what areas they can explore safely. So, if you know of a way to brick your device, please list it and give some detail leading up to the point of bricking**.
And if you have bricked your phone, please share your experience so that others do not follow in your steps.
* Please list ways to brick your phone other than using physical materials and not ways that are malicious in nature.
** Keep in mind, this thread is not intended for anyone to use as a way to defraud your carrier. The methods outlined are to serve as a warning on certain parts of the device to steer clear from (as a young learner) and to help people feel more comfortable exploring their phone's SU side.
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Most commonly talked about way; flash a GSM radio to the CDMA Hero.
Austin3600 said:
Most commonly talked about way; flash a GSM radio to the CDMA Hero.
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+1 for this. It's the only way I've ever heard of someone truly "bricking" their phone.
Re: How to brick your phone.
This is the most common way I've heard of as well. Can a radio baseband be included in a custom ROM or is this something that has to always be flashed OVER a ROM?
The xda-wiki has a great section listing various radios that are for CDMA Heros. Anyone have the link? I'm on my phone at the moment.
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run over it with a truck then pay the 100 bucks to get a new one.
gunnyman said:
run over it with a truck then pay the 100 bucks to get a new one.
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Indeed. I would say even a medium-size car could do the trick. Unless you have Ghost Armor.
This thread is offensive
There are plenty of ways to render your phone useless, but why?
Unless you're trying to defraud Asurion into getting a new device...
ridiculous
nebenezer said:
This thread is offensive
There are plenty of ways to render your phone useless, but why?
Unless you're trying to defraud Asurion into getting a new device...
ridiculous
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I believe the intention was to make a list of things to avoid, rather than a list of things to try.
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I believe the intention was to make a list of things to avoid, rather than a list of things to try.
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Ahhh, that makes sense.
In that case I would suggest the OP change the thread title to "How to NOT brick your phone"
A list of things to avoid is simply another way of saying "a list of things to do."
The right information in the wrong persons hands.
nebenezer said:
Ahhh, that makes sense.
In that case I would suggest the OP change the thread title to "How to NOT brick your phone"
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I'm not going to change the thread title. The intention was to pose the question so people could STAY AWAY from those areas (ethereal45 hit the nail on the head). I'm not sure if there is anyone out there sincerely looking to brick their device. This idea is a bit ridiculous and if you're reading that into this thread you're clearly not seeing the ironic nature of the title Gunnyman's comment was completely sarcastic and funny (at least that's the way I took it in my reply...we're not trying to defraud anyone). But in all reality, no one is going to intentionally brick their phone. If they do, they've got issues larger than this forum can fix.
The intention is the opposite of what you're thinking. Just wanting to know what roads to avoid so that we don't brick our devices. I'm very fresh to this world and it can seem intimidating, so I thought this thread could help ease some of that anxiety.
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I'm not going to change the thread title. The intention was to pose the question so people could STAY AWAY from those areas (ethereal45 hit the nail on the head). I'm not sure if there is anyone out there sincerely looking to brick their device. This idea is a bit ridiculous and if you're reading that into this thread you're clearly not seeing the ironic nature of the title Gunnyman's comment was completely sarcastic and funny (at least that's the way I took it in my reply...we're not trying to defraud anyone). But in all reality, no one is going to intentionally brick their phone. If they do, they've got issues larger than this forum can fix.
The intention is the opposite of what you're thinking. Just wanting to know what roads to avoid so that we don't brick our devices. I'm very fresh to this world and it can seem intimidating, so I thought this thread could help ease some of that anxiety.
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This is like posting a very detailed guide on how to break into a computer, and then saying it's so people can prevent.
Sure, some people will use it for what it's intended, but there are people who will misuse it because there's something they don't like about their Hero, and want to get a refurb or new phone or something.
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This is like posting a very detailed guide on how to break into a computer, and then saying it's so people can prevent.
Sure, some people will use it for what it's intended, but there are people who will misuse it because there's something they don't like about their Hero, and want to get a refurb or new phone or something.
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I find this VERY hard to believe. If someone is wanting to defraud their carrier and get a refurbished phone, do you think they will look online for how to 'brick' their root device? I doubt it. Why not just throw it in a pool or run over it with their car?
It's more like a help to not overheat your car. What are ways that you can overheat your car. No radiator fluid, running A/C through the mountains, etc. This is to give people a help on things to avoid. Sure, if someone has a desperate desire to overheat their car, they can follow the instructions and overheat it. But that's up to them.
I find that as I'm exploring the deeper side of my device, I'm constantly thinking thoughts like "wonder if doing this will brick my phone" and so I don't usually explore very far, because of this fear (and my wife and my conscience won't allow me to defraud Sprint, run over my phone and get a replacement). I'm just trying to be cautious that's all and wondering if there are any other ways (non-physical and non-malicious) to brick your device other than flashing a GSM Radio on a CDMA phone.
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I'm not sure if there is anyone out there sincerely looking to brick their device. This idea is a bit ridiculous and if you're reading that into this thread you're clearly not seeing the ironic nature of the title Gunnyman's comment was completely sarcastic and funny (at least that's the way I took it in my reply...we're not trying to defraud anyone). But in all reality, no one is going to intentionally brick their phone. If they do, they've got issues larger than this forum can fix.
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If thats's how I read it? That's what you said... "How to brick your phone".
You might be surprised how many people do intentionally brick their phones. You might also be surprised (if you did just a LITTLE bit of searching) how many threads have been closed because people are openly trying to find out how to brick their phones with the intention of avoiding the $100 replacement charge.
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The intention is the opposite of what you're thinking. Just wanting to know what roads to avoid so that we don't brick our devices. I'm very fresh to this world and it can seem intimidating, so I thought this thread could help ease some of that anxiety.
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If that's the intention then I don't understand why you mislabeled the thread.
There are only 2 ways I know of to brick a CDMA Hero. They are very, very easily avoidable. You almost have to go out of your way to brick a CDMA Hero and if you READ about what you are doing to your phone before you do it you will easily avoid it. And for that matter, as long as you make nandroid backups, forget bricking, it's hard even just to lose whatever info might be important to you.
That's fine though, whatever floats yer boat. I am well aware of how to AVOID bricking my phone so I'll leave your thread alone now.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=672131&highlight=brick
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=663949&highlight=brick
Just to list two.
nebenezer said:
If thats's how I read it? That's what you said... "How to brick your phone".
You might be surprised how many people do intentionally brick their phones. You might also be surprised (if you did just a LITTLE bit of searching) how many threads have been closed because people are openly trying to find out how to brick their phones with the intention of avoiding the $100 replacement charge.
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First of all, how am I going to find closed threads? Don't they remove them? I really didn't know people search on how to brick their phones with this intention. It seems asinine to me. I hope the mods don't think that's my intention, because I've described it pretty clearly and have even updated the description to be extra clear.
If that's the intention then I don't understand why you mislabeled the thread.
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Because a thread that says "How to not brick your phone" is a complete waste of time (which this thread is quickly becoming). There are way more ways to NOT brick your phone than to brick it.
There are only 2 ways I know of to brick a CDMA Hero. They are very, very easily avoidable. You almost have to go out of your way to brick a CDMA Hero and if you READ about what you are doing to your phone before you do it you will easily avoid it. And for that matter, as long as you make nandroid backups, forget bricking, it's hard even just to lose whatever info might be important to you.
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What are the two ways?! I only know of one for the CDMA Hero (GSM Radio flashing to CDMA phone). This is what I'm talking about. You have information that I've been unable to find. Please share.
When you're learning about rooting your device and someone says "this procedure may brick your phone" your mind wonders, what is it about this procedure that may cause my phone to become an invaluable paperweight? That's what I'm after. From a previous forum, I learned that radios are something to be extra careful with. So, that got my mind wondering, what other areas should I be looking out for.
While I agree with the purpose of this thread, the title is a little confusing.
However, On a different phone (HTC Kaiser) there was an android port that I was interested in. I managed to brick that phone by running the sudo rm code in Terminal Emulator. While I don't know if it will brick a Hero it did brick the poor Kaiser. As it was an AT&T phone I had no use for it anymore and thought I'd give the command a try just to see the consequences.
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While I agree with the purpose of this thread, the title is a little confusing.
However, On a different phone (HTC Kaiser) there was an android port that I was interested in. I managed to brick that phone by running the sudo rm code in Terminal Emulator. While I don't know if it will brick a Hero it did brick the poor Kaiser. As it was an AT&T phone I had no use for it anymore and thought I'd give the command a try just to see the consequences.
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I don't think that would brick it, as we could still access the recovery partition to nandroid back.
Re: How to brick your phone.
While I agree with the purpose of this thread, the title is a little confusing.
However, On a different phone (HTC Kaiser) there was an android port that I was interested in. I managed to brick that phone by running the sudo rm code in Terminal Emulator. While I don't know if it will brick a Hero it did brick the poor Kaiser. As it was an AT&T phone I had no use for it anymore and thought I'd give the command a try just to see the consequences.
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This is good to know. What would I be doing to have to use this command?
Thread name: Will probably change when I have computer access. I honestly didn't realize people search forums to intentionally brick their devices. I've been proven wrong on that one
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mbobino said:
while i agree with the purpose of this thread, the title is a little confusing.
However, on a different phone (htc kaiser) there was an android port that i was interested in. I managed to brick that phone by running the sudo rm code in terminal emulator. While i don't know if it will brick a hero it did brick the poor kaiser. As it was an at&t phone i had no use for it anymore and thought i'd give the command a try just to see the consequences.
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sudo rm ~/
lol
Hello, my Nexus One's warranty is just ended. I want to try rooting and use customs rom as my friend said it's good. I've been searching around the thread but still not found a nice easy rooting/customs rom procedure. I am not good in programing and afraid this will crack my N1. Please anyone help me with it and so I can do it on my own. thank you very much.
Please read my signature.
first of all don't be afraid of bricking your phone unless you touch it's radio (maybe there's another way to brick it but I'm not aware of that) Just letting you know now it would've been nice for me to know when i started playing with my phone back then with an htc magic i was so scared i was gonna brick it.
Has anyone read this article: http://androidspin.com/2013/05/01/htc-one-s-off-achieved-htc-users-can-now-rejoice-as-well/
how long do you think until this is possible for all end users?
Firstly, this is posted in the wrong section. Don't post in this section of the forum.
Secondly, this is old news.
Third, you have to pay for them to open up your device and s-off it. As the article says, if you pay for s-off, you dont deserve it.
Sent from my HTC One
Sounds like JTAG
thats been posted before i dont think it will help devs here as thats been done via jtag
It's my understanding that S-Off is an unneeded feature as far as this community goes. It only allows one to flash unsigned things that the developers here don't work on, such as radios. A regular bootloader unlock is all that's needed for the huge majority.
I would still like S-off just bc the freedom of flashing whatever RUU we want. considering AT&T is still non existent which is ridiculous . but hell no I would not open up my phone to get it. if that's the kind of Jtag there talking about... it will come in time I am sure
I'm sorry for posting in the wrong area & was not aware that this is old news, as i only recently aquired my HTC ONE and was not up to scratch with what was happening!
daddioj said:
I would still like S-off just bc the freedom of flashing whatever RUU we want. considering AT&T is still non existent which is ridiculous . but hell no I would not open up my phone to get it. if that's the kind of Jtag there talking about... it will come in time I am sure
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I don't know, the latest jumponitbear for HTC phones have depended on a "wire trick", where one took off the battery cover and shorted two wires together at the same time as running the software hack. Since our One is a fixed battery, we may never see S-Off.