Request: Basic Android with just root and no other mods - G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

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Hello all, sorry if this is a basic question, but wasnt able to find any results.
Over the past few days, I have been staying up late almost every single night and trying out different ROMs in this forum.
1. The Dude's ROM
This rom looks nice, but almost all applications crashed like nuts. Then I realised the developer has gone on a vacation, so cant really use this.
2. Cyan's ROM
Fast, but still uses SD for theapps. I have a class 2 sdhc, and that isnt fast enough and hence the apps are a bit slow to respond. Crashes are much much lesser than #1.
3. Hero's ROMs
Very well made, fantastic ROM, absolutely stunning UI but again dependency on the SDCARD is immense and is thus a limitation to me. Also I saw the actual HTC Hero has much higher ROM space (512mb compared to 288 of Dream/G1 and more ram 256 vs 198 of G1) and hence is much better suited to run the HTC's Rosie.
So now I think my needs would want me a basic android cupcake ROM without much fancy stuff. The bare minimum. Do we have such a ROM?
If we do, please let me know.
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Update : I am looking for a base android system with root. If possible maybe start building on something. I have experience tweaking kernels on a desktop , but has _never_ tried anything mobile.
I was suggested to use Haykuro's 6.0r1 , but it does use apps2sd and so does cyan's rom.
Well my idea is to find/create a ROM which would be light and fast and we could do some work optimizing the kernel for faster loads and quick runs.
Any suggestions, guides, materials on how to start would be greatly helpful.
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Goal : A quick to boot, fast ROM with low battery consumption.

The search button is your friend.
Visit JF's blog

Search for JF 1.51 =]
Here to save you some time:
http://andblogs.net/2009/05/jfv151-images-are-out/
JF tends to work on the stock roms, and just roots it, with very minor modifications. But super stable, fast, and works excellent.

Haykuro's ion rom
Use Haykuro's IOn Rom its fast stable and just your basic android goodness

avallark said:
I was suggested to use Haykuro's 6.0r1 , but it does use apps2sd and so does cyan's rom.
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Actually, most ROMs that make use of some form of A2SD (apps on SD cards) do so conditionally. Both Haykuro and cyanogen have ROMs that put the /system/app directory on the SD card only if the SD card has a prepared ext2/3 partition present at boot. What this means is that if you are using a regular SD card, or if you repartition your card as FAT32, then the ROM will not implement A2SD.
However, I am in agreement with you for the gist of the request. I would also like to see an optimized ROM based on AOSP (like cyanogen or TheDude), but one that implements fewer customizations. Personally, I am currently using cyanogen's 3.9, which has great performance, and the fastest boot times I have had from any other ROM. It seems to run through the battery a little faster than others, but it is the best so far.

jf or cyanogen
even though u have an class 2 apps2sd would work good. i had a lame stock 1gig tmo gives with the fone and i had no problem with it. or jf as close to stock as possible

You do know that Apps2SD is not a requirement for CyanogenMod, right? If you have a single Fat32 partition on your card, Apps2SD is disabled and all apps will go to the phone's internal memory. Of course in this case you are limiting yourself to the amount of apps you can have installed at any given time due to the relatively small space left on the intmem after the OS is installed. Also, if you install too many apps your phone will start slowing down considerably because the apps basically eat up the available RAM.
Personally, half the reason for rooting my phone in the first place was running apps on SD card. My co-worker has yet to root his G1 and he constantly has to juggle apps and games so that he can have at least 10MB internal memory free, otherwise his phone starts slowing down to a crawl.

I'm working on an HTC ADP version of what you seek!
I've had two other people ask for this from me!
I create a "US specific" version for T-Mobile Users.
See thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=538456).
Would you be interested in a HTC ADP plain rooted (no features) version? I'm trying to gauge the need here ?

I'm tryin to finish a lite version of ion. I don't think I can strip anything else out without it breaking. The whole purpose behind the lite version will be to put what customizations you want on it. It a lot slimmer than a standard jf release.

soulife's ion - probably another good bet
Soulife's ION build (lite), (as it sounds), would also be a another good build for you likely!
He makes/ports good/stable ROM's.

pistol4413 said:
i had a lame stock 1gig tmo gives with the fone and i had no problem with it.
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Lol I still use this P.O.S. It's actually not too bad since I haven't experienced the greateness of a class 6 card. I'm happy with my G1 performance.

did you try this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=538456
and I just rooted someone's phone with a stock 1gb no class card and it runs Cy3681 great. Compcache is the best.

where can i get the default g1 wallpapers? i realize how dumb that sounds but ive googled them, looked for them in the themes section, and searched through the files of the 25 or so builds i have downloaded from here...i am not smart.

I also wanted a stock rom with just root and without the piles of shi.... code that are being piled on top of the custom builds. I found two easy ways to it;
1. JF's roms. All he does is root it and release it. Unfortunately, for the cupcake builds, he got the awful idea of talking with crazy narcissist haykuro and actually implemented a2sd on 1.51 and 1.51r2. Getting rid of it is nastily simple, though. Just delete a2sd from /system/bin and you're done.
2. Get a dump of an official OTA rom, put the modified su binary in /system/bin, superuser.apk on /system/app, and pack it with a rooted boot.img, or if you can modify kernel (i don't know that much linux) root your own boot.img. Look through somebody else's update-scripts so you can make your own (I've found cyanogen's and JF's to be amongst the cleanest, easiest to read and figure out).
soulife, I'd love to see what you come up with. I have among my stash of experimental stuff a slimmed down ION r2 that only kept a few apps (Phone, contacts, browser, mms, cameras, and settings), but quickly felt that there really was no reason to slim it down so bare. With ION, there's still a lot of space left in system, even with a stock spl, and after an install it's never used again, so I felt I should be adding instead of removing apps than let that empty space go to waste, specially since there's really no replacement or improved app for the ones that were removed

I suggest you go out and buy a new micro sd card, preferably a class 4 or 6 micro sd card. Then you can really begin enjoying the capabilities of root.
4gb class 4 by adata for 12 bucks i believe on newegg.
8gb transcend class 6 for $19, also on newegg.

i just switched back to JF 1.51 with the hero theme 1.4.5. I think it might still have the a2sd script in it but it's optional, but boot time is MUCH faster than cyanogens current builds.
The stock ION and Rogers ROMs are good as well, but I do enjoy the hero theme on JF , although the Rogers dialer is a great thing to have.

jubeh said:
I also wanted a stock rom with just root and without the piles of shi.... code that are being piled on top of the custom builds.
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Wow...**** code. Who'd a thunk that people would be modifying stock ROMs on a developers forum. If you are going to debase a developers work, at least specify which developer. The way your statement reads, nothing but crap comes out of this forum.

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looking for a rom for a not so tech-savy friend

first of all, I'm rooted and know what I'm doing.
after showing my friend, who also wants to root her g1.
she's not very tech savy so of course I'm doing it for her.
I'd like to know if there is a rom that doesn't have any of the features like terminal.
just the cosmetic feature like 5 home screens and stuff like that?
it's probably be best if I can just disable all root permission.
any way to do that?
also: Definitely no Apps to SD, I know roms do that automatically now but I'm not gonna try to explain partitioning, and I'm definitely not telling about starting up the recovery screen to give them the chance to wipe, partition or any of that stuff.
Enom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=538456
Super-D:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=613809
Wes:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=592466
All donuts, I don't wanna recommend a hero since your friend would most likely use the KB on home. And the 2.1 hero might not be fast enough for them. Not sure if they would want eclair:
Open eclair:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=538456
King:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622170
Why not just uninstall the terminal once the rom is installed . With no root permissions your friend can't overclock and such :U
So what would be the point again for your friend to have a rooted phone if she doesnt want to be more involved with it? not to sound like youre getting married with it but it would help both of you out a lot if she explored and learned more about The Brute(G1)
hate to say it, but if she isn't tech savy rooting isn't for her
Put amon ras recovery and super d 1.9.2. Partition her card for her and be done with it.
She does not need root from what you said, its like a oxymoron.
@ace42 thanks. I'll stick with a 1.6, the 2.x roms aren't very stable yet. probably super d cause it's fastest and it's what I'm using now.
@protomanez ok, I wasn't aware that I can uninstall the apps like terminal. this helps so much.
@ everbody else: non tech-savy people always want things to work better but they never really understand how it works. I try to explain these thing, but it doesn't help
I also heard that for the roms that do use apps to sd, I can simply not have an ext2 partition and the rom will work normally (with very limited app storage space of course).
do the different roms leave you with different amounts of free space left? I don't really know about that since I've always used appstosd with my 8gig card but she's using a 2gig so I'd hate to partition it.
swee08315 said:
do the different roms leave you with different amounts of free space left? I don't really know about that since I've always used appstosd with my 8gig card but she's using a 2gig so I'd hate to partition it.
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Pretty sure they do need to be partitioned with ext2. Requirements are requirements can't do anything about it mate.
then I suppose I should do enom since that one says ext partition is optional.\
thanks

[Q] Best way to get my phone to install Apps to External memory

There's so many modifications of android, I am a little lost.
The reason I went on this forum is because I was unhappy with how my G1 was only able to install applications and games on the internal memory. It left me with little amount of applications installed and no space.
I started following a guide written in 2008 to root my G1, while doing it, I found another guide written in 2009. Then I found out about Android 2.2 and how it allows you to install applications on the external memory.
I am looking for the best way, to modify the android in order to make it install applications to the external memory.
Which way would you recommend?
Thanks.
If you want 2.2 use the Biffmod ROM but 2.2 can be slow on the G1 especially without the 14mb ram hack. Super D is a very fast and stable 1.6 ROM. Both these ROMs will automatically install your apps to the SD card as long as you partition it. This can easily be done through the recovery.
Use this rooting guide:
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=HTC_Dream:_Rooting
Is Super D better than Cyanogenmod? if so, then what are the major advantages does the Super D has over Cyanogenmod?
Thanks.
What CM are you comparing it to? If its CM4 (Andorid 1.6) then Super D seems to have a bit better performance than the lastest CM4 release.
BTW, Biffmod is based off CM6. It just has some extras such as apps2sd.

[Q] Help Setting up my G1

Ok guys I have been trying to set up this phone for a while now and always a week later the phone begins to start to mess up. When I say mess up, the phone crashes my apps disappear and the most annoying my SD card always gets a invalid file structure. I am using Super D Rom because I was using the cyanogen froyo and it was slow as hell. The SD card that I'm using is a WINTEC class 10 16GB, I tried formatting part of the sd card to linux swap file with no success. I would like a guide on setting up the phone from start to finish. So if anyone could help that would be great. Any recommendations are welcome
Do you install your apps on external SD?
Does your computer say the SD has got an invalid File-Structure?
Maybe you should try the Ezterry/Firerat Rom or if you like cm-features take the Ez FrankenCyan ROM. All of these ROMs seem to be very snappy and daily usable.
I'am currently using Ez FrankenCyan with Custom Boot Animation (so it doesn't say CyanogenMod at the start) with Zeam-Launcher and 2d Gallery, which works just fine!
If you don't want to mess around with Kernel-Installer, Radio and CustomMTD take Ezterrys Rom!
langersteff said:
Do you install your apps on external SD? Yes, I am using apps2sd
Does your computer say the SD has got an invalid File-Structure? Yes, it does. After attempting a swap file the whole thing went to hell, I formatted the sd card and I still get invalid file structure. Maybe I need to perform a wipe.
Maybe you should try the Ezterry/Firerat Rom or if you like cm-features take the Ez FrankenCyan ROM. All of these ROMs seem to be very snappy and daily usable. OK, I am using super e and my phone is very slow. At the first it was fast now just slow. I just want a Rom that has the google navigation, and maps, you know the essential stuff, I don't need Gingerbread or froyo. I think. Also on forums I have read that FROYO and GINGERBREAD are way to much for the G1 to handle.
I'am currently using Ez FrankenCyan with Custom Boot Animation (so it doesn't say CyanogenMod at the start) with Zeam-Launcher and 2d Gallery, which works just fine! OK, lets give it a go. How did you setup the phone so that it doesn't give any errors.
If you don't want to mess around with Kernel-Installer, Radio and CustomMTD take Ezterrys Rom! I will find out what stuff I have I think I have all of the Cyanogen Froyo requirements because I used that forum to start on messing with ROMS. I'll check tonight whats on my phone. Thanks for replying
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Thanks for replying.
Will this work.
OK So I'm using AMON RA 1.7.0
Radio 2.22.19.26I
Also i'm using the fast boot with the 3 Androids on skate boards. I just want to find a ROM that will let me use my memory card and all my apps work fine. I'm using super E rom and it's not working properly. Apps are crashing and the phone is super slow. If anyone reads this that have pointers or suggestions about good ROMS and how to properly set them up, please post! I'm looking for a ROM that is FAST, and has all the google apps like Navigation, maps, etc. Please help. I'm not looking for fancy graphics and games, just a FAST rom that doesn't hang and also that I can install apps to my sd card. My SD card is a class 10 16gb card. Thanks guys.
Check out the yoshi gingerbread version its amazing sleek and fast. just upgraded from cm 6.1 to this and it's hella faster, make sure your EXT3/4 parition is under 1gb, perfferably like 512mb, the higher it is the more problems it has.
cali_deeznutz said:
OK So I'm using AMON RA 1.7.0
Radio 2.22.19.26I
Also i'm using the fast boot with the 3 Androids on skate boards. I just want to find a ROM that will let me use my memory card and all my apps work fine. I'm using super E rom and it's not working properly. Apps are crashing and the phone is super slow. If anyone reads this that have pointers or suggestions about good ROMS and how to properly set them up, please post! I'm looking for a ROM that is FAST, and has all the google apps like Navigation, maps, etc. Please help. I'm not looking for fancy graphics and games, just a FAST rom that doesn't hang and also that I can install apps to my sd card. My SD card is a class 10 16gb card. Thanks guys.
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Upgrade radio and SPL for the extra 14mb ram:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=831139
ROM:
Froyo by Laszlo
Currently running the latest froyobylaszlo and can say its the best or one of the best froyo rom for dream/saphhire

[Q] Question for someone who has used Nookie Froyo and Honeycomb

I'm currently rooted and on the stock rom. I'm usually fine with this stuff, but not used to all this bootable SD stuff. Which of these two are better right now?
In terms of
1. Ease of install
2. Does flash work
3. Does wi-fi work
4. How much extra work to get these things working
and should I do it?
Hey... They're both about the same amount of "ease" to install - Froyo Took a bit more tweaking to get it to where I wanted it, and the touchpad seems to be less sensitive than in Honeycomb..which is kind of annoying... but at least I have Flash and Youtube in 2.2
Honeycomb has no Flash, and Youtube has yet to work for me. YMMV w/Youtube, but from what I've seen Flash APKs are 100% unsuccessful because of a missing "GOOGLE_PLUGIN" that no one seems to have an explanation for at this time.
tldr; I did SDCard installs, and I like Honeycomb (No Flash, No YT) better than Froyo (Has Flash/YT) on the Tablet, and may go back to it if I can survive without Flash and Youtube on my Nook. All of my other apps worked fine.
Do it if you have a spare micro SD laying around Just to check it out.
I still have 2.1 (stock + autonooter) on the internal memory of the NC.
buffnutz1 said:
I'm currently rooted and on the stock rom. I'm usually fine with this stuff, but not used to all this bootable SD stuff. Which of these two are better right now?
In terms of
1. Ease of install
2. Does flash work
3. Does wi-fi work
4. How much extra work to get these things working
and should I do it?
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I Completely agree. Flash and youtube are the only things that keep me in froyo. but i will be on HC full time as soon as we get those two.
I have a micro SD card that I keep for spare space on the nook. When I put the images on the card, can I no longer save stuff on them or how does that work?
buffnutz1 said:
I have a micro SD card that I keep for spare space on the nook. When I put the images on the card, can I no longer save stuff on them or how does that work?
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You'll want to use more than one SD card if you're going to really start messing with HC/Froyo builds -- most of which require formatting the SD card to install a bootable image (either for CWM-to-emmc installs, or running the builds on the SD itself).
Read the following post to see how I leverage two SD cards to enjoy both stock and HC builds, while using one of them for just storage:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11293972&postcount=48
Good luck.
1. Ease of install
Both are equal in this respect
2. Does flash work
Only in Froyo
3. Does wi-fi work
Both again
4. How much extra work to get these things working
You can do it manually or just download the script from the developers forums but you need to install the Market yourself, not very hard at all
and should I do it?
I like froyo and honeycomb a lot more than the stock eclair. Do note, battery life in honeycomb is worst than froyo/eclair (at least in my own experience) but does seem a bit snappier. Froyo is faster and snappier than eclair as well. I think you should do it
MattJ951 said:
Do note, battery life in honeycomb is worst than froyo/eclair (at least in my own experience) but does seem a bit snappier. Froyo is faster and snappier than eclair as well. I think you should do it
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According to the battery monitor (Settings > About phone > Battery usage, tap the graph on top of the screen) the current Honeycomb build is keeping the tablet permanently awake, so it's not surprising that the battery life is bad, it'll drain even while not in use and lasted about 24h total for me. Once that can be fixed to properly suspend, it should get much better.
So if I use the froyo flashable zip, what would it have to do after to have it work normal and have flash run?
Btw thanks everyone. This is much easier then going through 100 pages for a few answers.
buffnutz1 said:
So if I use the froyo flashable zip, what would it have to do after to have it work normal and have flash run?
Btw thanks everyone. This is much easier then going through 100 pages for a few answers.
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You'll have to install the market. After that anything you need can pretty much be downloaded from there

[Q]Please help, G1 gets slow after installing some apps.

Hello there, I had a problem about my G1, I rooted it just last few weeks, after that I flashed a CM 6.1.0 but after I install some apps using Link2SD the phone is getting slow even after reboot. By rooting my G1 I really achieve what I want it is saving more internal storage by using Link2SD but another problem came, it is very slow that it is not usable, please help what should I do?. Or is there any other rom that is more stable and faster than CM 6.1.0?
From what I have heard, cm6 runs slow no matter what on the g1, from the fact that the g1 has a very modest chipset. i have been running cm4 on my g1 for some time, and have encountered almost no problems woth any slowdown.
I started using cm5, it is very slick, many times even faster than rc29! There is a detailed discussion that me and demkantor had that you can find here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2435085 that contains instructions on how to flash it. Hope this helps!
Yeah, Same here. I would definitely advise the CM5 for the Dream. I'm running the latest CM5.0.8 as of yesterday on my old Dream and it's just beautiful. Way faster than the Cupcake and Donut Roms. The apps2ext on it works beautifully and saves a lot of stress over the space for apps. The great thing is on the CM5 ROM you don't need any application to facilitate the saving of apps to the SD. It's inside the Rom already and works just perfectly. Just don't forget to partition the SD card first and best is to use ext4 partition, instead ext2. I've been talking to Demkantor as well and followed many advice from the same thread the Dreamwave here suggested. Mostly everything you'll need is there and if anything's unclear, feel free to write any of us.
Something that I personally found is that apps2ext doesn't always work out-of-the-box, what I did to counter that, and what I found works even better, is using something like link2sd, which allows someone to dynamically move their apps, so that launchers and other sensitive apps don't force close on boot because you accidentally removed the sd card/ sd card isn't reading properly.

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