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Processor speed 528 or 400?

Hi all,
I notice that all the marketing data and spec sheets say the X1 has a 528MHz processor, but some people are saying it has a 400MHz. Does anyone here know what speed their device is actually running at?
-Oobly

well, 528mhz is correct.
the plugin homescreen++ showes 400mhz, but i think that this information in wrong.

The phone has a 528mhz processor, but it only runs at 400mhz - meaning that it does not run at full speed unless you tweak the settings.

Okay, so how do you tweak the settings? Does neuClockControl work to set it to 528MHz?
A processor specified to work at 528MHz running at 400MHz is still just a 400MHz processor if there is no way to make it run at 528. If this is the case then we have been royally screwed by SE/HTC.
I would like to be able to push it to 528MHz for gaming, etc (I don't mind the extra power usage if it means better performance), and change it back to 400 manually again for normal use (so it uses less battery power).
-Oobly

Oobly said:
Okay, so how do you tweak the settings? Does neuClockControl work to set it to 528MHz?
-Oobly
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yep i use Nuecpl-ClockSpeed and the cpu work at max speed without problems....

PredatorX11 said:
yep i use Nuecpl-ClockSpeed and the cpu work at max speed without problems....
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Cool! So does it actually show 528MHz and can you see a difference in performance?

I'm pretty sure it runs on 528mhz, not at 400. It is not slower than touch pro/hd expect graphical apps, where the video drivers count. Plus I saw the clock rate on some WinMo software as 528.something mhz, or was it 529mhz. Can't remember the software, but I couldn't care less if some old software with old DB misjudges the 7200A with 7200 processor and says that the cpu runs at 400mhz sharp. That's not reliable at all. Plus it's almost imposible to keep the cpu at 400.00mhz, just like 528.00mhz, it's usually a little bit more or less. So if it is a real measurement, you would probably see something like 401.25 or 528.84 or something Mhz. Have you done some benchmarks on SKTools for example. The cpu is somethimes on par with Samsung Omnia, which should be a Marvell PXA312 624 MHz processor. A 400mhz cpu just can not do that, even though mhz to mhz is not a proper way to compare CPU speed.
Here's a little info on what I mean: SKTools shows that the cpu speed is 400 000 000 hz, which is obviously not the real value but something predefined. Also the Integer Test on SkTools gave a value of 329.8084 units, which is on par with Touch Pro/HD and much faster than Omnia 1 with value of 253.10 on this test. The floating point is 7.552 MWIPS, again on par with the other 528mhz devices, and here it is slower than the top in list 8.63 MWIPS Omnia 624Mhz. The conclusion should be clear - either all devices are underclocked (together with X1) or X1 is running on 528Mhz cpu.

installed the software and started it up, it says my cpu is at 528mhz. where are people getting the 400mhz from?
Official R3 uk rom

TCPMP sometimes shows me 530Mhz XD

Ganondolf said:
installed the software and started it up, it says my cpu is at 528mhz. where are people getting the 400mhz from?
Official R3 uk rom
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4264970&postcount=3
And a few other places. Could just be reported incorrectly to some software, especially when they display exactly 400MHz. On the other hand it could be that CorePlayer or the OS somehow ups the speed to 528 when it is needed. I have heard reports of devices running faster when leaving a video open in the background. Maybe there is already some dynamic clock adjustment going on even without using neuDynamicClock?

this is what i think. the x1 is running at 538mhz but sometimes (with some app/ tasks) its been told to stay at 400mhz for some reason unknown to us (maybe to save battery or so it does not overheat).
if u look at the iphone we know for a fact that it was underclocked but the x1 nowhere has it even been said that its been underclocked apart from a few people on this forum, and i reckon that the app / software is not giving a proper / accurate reading or the app been told to run at 400mhz and people have just assumed that the cpu is underclocked. as i said this software is saying its running a 528mhz, which is the official spec for the cpu, so i cant see how people have handsets that are underclocked.

Oobly said:
Cool! So does it actually show 528MHz and can you see a difference in performance?
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sorry no, i have not tested the x1 at default speed.
but with this software you can change the speed from same state... and a little or medium improvement is possible.
i use the 528 mhz and level 0 for the voltage. to put the chipset to 528 mhz at 1.1 volt instead of 1.325 volt
and in stand-by i put the chipset at 122 mhz and 1.1 volt

Ganondolf said:
this is what i think. the x1 is running at 538mhz but sometimes (with some app/ tasks) its been told to stay at 400mhz for some reason unknown to us (maybe to save battery or so it does not overheat).
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I agree with that. Even the modern CPUs run at lower speeds if not utilized enough, not to mention that this should be a must for the handheld/pocket devices.

funny thing is, that I've installed nue dynamic clock and without changing anything in the past it shows that my device clock is running 528 mhz @ 1.1V. it is all soo damn confusing...

bronx said:
funny thing is, that I've installed nue dynamic clock and without changing anything in the past it shows that my device clock is running 528 mhz @ 1.1V. it is all soo damn confusing...
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I did this as well, with nue dynamic clock showing 528mHz.
Homescreen++ still shows 400 mHz though. Only thing I can think is that Homescreen++ looks up the processor and mistakes it with a predecessor.
In other news, xperia is darn side quicker than my Kaiser, with a much more beautiful screen bonus, but maybe the speed is related to that 'drivers' story

Anyone know what registry settings Nue alters?
I want to try to overclock.

ring-bearer said:
Anyone know what registry settings Nue alters?
I want to try to overclock.
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You cannot do that.

Calvin H said:
I did this as well, with nue dynamic clock showing 528mHz.
Homescreen++ still shows 400 mHz though. Only thing I can think is that Homescreen++ looks up the processor and mistakes it with a predecessor.
In other news, xperia is darn side quicker than my Kaiser, with a much more beautiful screen bonus, but maybe the speed is related to that 'drivers' story
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hey! I was a kaiser user as well and x1 is much faster indeed. what more, You musn't forget that it's resolution is more than four times higher.

orelsi said:
You cannot do that.
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I actually did overclock my fuze, to 628MHz. There is a program in the raphael section; performance something something...
I tried it right before i received my x1, and i didn't notice any improvements or problems.
I belive the same app should work for the x1, since it has same chip.

Stalix said:
I actually did overclock my fuze, to 628MHz. There is a program in the raphael section; performance something something...
I tried it right before i received my x1, and i didn't notice any improvements or problems.
I belive the same app should work for the x1, since it has same chip.
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I'd be all over that. I searched the forum but came up empty. If you happen to remember the name, let me know. I'll run a bunch of benchmarks and post them here.

HTC HD and HTC Performance

Has anyone tried to set the Maximal CPU Speed to 624 Mhz? I admit I'm afraid to set it to 624, because there is a note where it says Overclocking to 624 Mhz may cause random lockups, "white screen" issue, a damage to the device with warranty loss. I was thinking, maybe if it would work, we could run manilla 2.5 ass smooth as it gets for the Blackstone.
Any thoughts?

it's on your own risk!
cotzy said:
Has anyone tried to set the Maximal CPU Speed to 624 Mhz? I admit I'm afraid to set it to 624, because there is a note where it says Overclocking to 624 Mhz may cause random lockups, "white screen" issue, a damage to the device with warranty loss. I was thinking, maybe if it would work, we could run manilla 2.5 ass smooth as it gets for the Blackstone.
Any thoughts?
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1- sry for bad English
2-overclocking is normally dangerous for CPU or Graphic Card in long time!
but it can be dangerous in short time but in short time has a very low risk!
I can't say to you to overclock but it's normal on PCs or laptops (your Graphic Card is always work overclock when you're playing)
but I will never test it on my device
overclock may cause to wrong processes! 2+2=134234 !!!!!!!
and may use battery above normal or can make the CPU too hot!
non of these are dangerous in short time
but it's on your own risk to check it!

cotzy said:
Has anyone tried to set the Maximal CPU Speed to 624 Mhz? I admit I'm afraid to set it to 624, because there is a note where it says Overclocking to 624 Mhz may cause random lockups, "white screen" issue, a damage to the device with warranty loss. I was thinking, maybe if it would work, we could run manilla 2.5 ass smooth as it gets for the Blackstone.
Any thoughts?
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Other major trade offs in addition to what you have already mentioned is the battery life/consumption. Not sure if it's worth overclocking although with the cold winters in Canada here, I'm sure the device would keep us warmer as overclocking it also attributed to over heating as well.
All these stresses would I'm sure subtract the HD's overall life span, not to mention the risk of the device dying upon immediate attempt.
I will stick to the department of overclocking computers which have the proper cooling tools necessary for a successful setup.

Dynamic overclocking
On my Artemis (P3300) there was an app that overclocked the device dynamically, and this was excellent for battery.
My TyTN II didn't have that (at least not at the time), which was disappointing.
Would it be possible to adjust the clockspeed dynamically like on the Artemis?
It could vary the speed from pretty darn overclocked to dog slow

repvik said:
On my Artemis (P3300) there was an app that overclocked the device dynamically, and this was excellent for battery.
My TyTN II didn't have that (at least not at the time), which was disappointing.
Would it be possible to adjust the clockspeed dynamically like on the Artemis?
It could vary the speed from pretty darn overclocked to dog slow
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OMAPs are easy to overclock, My Herald was overclocked. Qualcomms do not do that well. Also, I do not think there is an overclock app for them.

I DO !!!
I am having some problems with my blackstone and I have no fear to overclock it...
Could someone tell me how to overclock it ?
TNX!!!

[Think Tank] Improve 3D Performance

Any ideas on how to improve 3D performance on the G1? I am talking about changing things in the kernel/firmware to make 3D games run a little smoother. My favorite game on android is raging thunder 2, and it runs fine for the most part until more then one car gets on the screen. At that point it starts to lag alot. I know it was designed for faster hardware but with some mods we can make it better.
My setup:
CM based 2.6.34 kernel with BFS
Cyanogen 5.0.8 test4
No sound
All tasks killed before the game starts.
Overclocked at 691 min/max (Universal overclock, and always plugged in)
Any ideas?

One, stop killing tasks.
I'm curious if there's a way to assign more RAM to 3d. Hence a... reverse RAM hack?

r3s-rt said:
One, stop killing tasks.
I'm curious if there's a way to assign more RAM to 3d. Hence a... reverse RAM hack?
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I use the running services section under settings to kill tasks. I haven't used a separate app taskiller since my donut days. Now the reverse RAM hack seems like a good idea, but wouldn't general phone performance suffer because of that?

Ah. Smart man on the killing tasks then.
Hmm... Probably? I usually go with about 18 free... never under 10... But that's ME. Maybe giving it 5mb more? That's a ~50% increase of the original 10.7MB reserved for it. The question here is how? I'm sure it can't be too hard.

the funny thing is dude, you dont mean to boost ur GPU as everything is integrated. when it comes to lag u'd usually resort to OCing the processor. i normally stick to RT1. RT2's requirements are 700Mhz and I dont know if i wanna put ma poor G1 through that - i have a hard enough time trying to get speedforge to work propperly

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the funny thing is dude, you dont mean to boost ur GPU as everything is integrated. when it comes to lag u'd usually resort to OCing the processor. i normally stick to RT1. RT2's requirements are 700Mhz and I dont know if i wanna put ma poor G1 through that - i have a hard enough time trying to get speedforge to work propperly
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How could I have forgotten about overclock?!?! I'm one of the lucky ones my phone will boot at up to 710 Mhz for a good 30 seconds and I'm perfectly stable at around 652 Mhz. RT1 runs a lot smoother but it has a lot worse graphics. RT2 actually runs fairly well most of the time with the sound off when clocked at 528 so I dunno.

Yeah so I played with overclock some and I'm getting amazing results. When playing 3D games I've got my cpu clocked at 710 max/min and I am getting absolutely no slowdowns. My neocore benchmark is at 30.2 fps now, way higher then stock cyanogen's 22.5 ish scores. I haven't played with overclock since the universal overclock first came out and now my phone seems to be a lot more stable at higher frequencies then it was before. It's gonna kill my battery, but I'll just play with the phone plugged in lol. Problem is solved, but I'm still open to any 3D improving suggestions.
EDIT:I still get a few random reboots, specially if the phone has been idle, but performance is amazing.
EDIT2: I'm gonna have to eat my words....710max/min might have been too aggressive. Sometimes it reboots completely, sometimes it just exits out of the game. Until I posted on here I was having amazing results but a slower clock is more reasonable...I'll go with 691 max/min=p

heroc overclocking

hi I was wondering how high you can over clock your hero. I have to 758 mhz and it is perfectly stable. Is there any thing i can use to over clock it more.

768 is the highest I've seen.
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I've heard that 710 is really the highest you can reliably run, I wouldn't risk the damage just to go that little bit higher.
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Thats all I have seen to. I did here that you could get it a little over 900 MHz.

LOL, it would probably catch on fire at 900.
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Mine is stable at 787

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Mine is stable at 787
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I'm sorry, but I don't believe this.
Mine is closked to 691 and it totally stable. If I push to 710 it starts to become less stable.
Can you show us screenprints ?

Im running 2.2. ShootMe doesn't work on this rom, go download and test for yourself.

im also running 2.2. if you wanna try it out for yourself download ([Rom] Darchdroid v2.7 "KangSlayer" | Complete, OC'd, MMS, Camera, Everything!!) I am at 768 MHz. I use setcpu, profiles. when the screen is off its at 518 MHz.
sry because i am new i cant poste urls

grifforama said:
I'm sorry, but I don't believe this.
Mine is closked to 691 and it totally stable. If I push to 710 it starts to become less stable.
Can you show us screenprints ?
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Mine is stable at 787 also.. Ever hero is different.. Iv also been running OC since the day toastcfh figured it out over 2 months ago. I have ran 768mhz min and max for an entire day with no problem (i was benchmarking and forgot). Some people cant even run 710mhz without there phone becoming unstable.
Also 768mhz is the clock speed most kernels are maxed at cuz the highest clock speed the hero can be clocked to with a benefit is 768mhz (darch will include 787 in his kernels sometimes). 787mhz will actually give the same or worse results as 768 because it, in a sense, clogs the CPU. We cant raise our FSB of the cpu.
Toastcfh, the reason who got us OC, has actually pushed it as far as he could go. He got way higher then 787. But like i said, there is not benefit of it.
Our phones wont blow up or stop working because the speeds are high. If you keep the temps down you really dont have anything to worry about, temps are the main reason why OC will kill the life of a CPU.

Awesome Information, Thanks.

HTC G1 SetCpu only on 528 it becomes not higher !?

Hello i have a HTC G1 with Android 1.6 i downloaded SetCpu 2.10(newest)
but it becomes not higher ?
I tried also custom frequence it still not work
Kernel Version:
2.6.29-00479-g3c7df37
Build Number:
DRC92

Did you bother to stop and consider that maybe 528 is that chip's maximum frequency?

dhkr123 said:
Did you bother to stop and consider that maybe 528 is that chip's maximum frequency?
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i saw in youtube many people who get the g1 to 650 MHZ
and there is a video he got his g1 to 850 MHZ wow but i cant do it why?

the kernel.
you're using a kernel with a max freq of 528.
don't be tempted and believe everything you see on youtube. ;-) an 850 kernel isn't likely to run stable enough and get you decent uptime.
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pl4sMa said:
the kernel.
you're using a kernel with a max freq of 528.
don't be tempted and believe everything you see on youtube. ;-) an 850 kernel isn't likely to run stable enough and get you decent uptime.
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what is a kernel ?(sorry im a noob
how can i flash my kernel..?

The kernel is core part of any operating system. You will need to find an android build (read: ROM) that incorporated a kernel that will allow you to crank your MHz up to the desired level.
I also recommend that you be careful when overclocking. I am sure you already know you run the risk of frying your phone.

The maximum stable overclock I've been able to get is 614Mhz (with the ocassional random reboot) and 592Mhz completely stable. How high you can clock your processor is completely dependent on what kernel you're running. I'm using CM6.1 right now and the kernel limits the clock to 614Mhz max. I think about 640Mhz is the highest you can go without making it unusable, but you might have a hard time finding a current kernel that lets you overclock that high.
And anyways if you're looking for more performance the CPU isn't the bottleneck. It's the RAM. You should look into swap or compcache to get more performance out of your G1.

592 has been my best stable speed as well with Froyo and now with GingerYoshi 595 is fastest stable for me. Can clock higher but then random reboots and fc's