Hi all,
I notice that all the marketing data and spec sheets say the X1 has a 528MHz processor, but some people are saying it has a 400MHz. Does anyone here know what speed their device is actually running at?
-Oobly
well, 528mhz is correct.
the plugin homescreen++ showes 400mhz, but i think that this information in wrong.
The phone has a 528mhz processor, but it only runs at 400mhz - meaning that it does not run at full speed unless you tweak the settings.
Okay, so how do you tweak the settings? Does neuClockControl work to set it to 528MHz?
A processor specified to work at 528MHz running at 400MHz is still just a 400MHz processor if there is no way to make it run at 528. If this is the case then we have been royally screwed by SE/HTC.
I would like to be able to push it to 528MHz for gaming, etc (I don't mind the extra power usage if it means better performance), and change it back to 400 manually again for normal use (so it uses less battery power).
-Oobly
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Okay, so how do you tweak the settings? Does neuClockControl work to set it to 528MHz?
-Oobly
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yep i use Nuecpl-ClockSpeed and the cpu work at max speed without problems....
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yep i use Nuecpl-ClockSpeed and the cpu work at max speed without problems....
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Cool! So does it actually show 528MHz and can you see a difference in performance?
I'm pretty sure it runs on 528mhz, not at 400. It is not slower than touch pro/hd expect graphical apps, where the video drivers count. Plus I saw the clock rate on some WinMo software as 528.something mhz, or was it 529mhz. Can't remember the software, but I couldn't care less if some old software with old DB misjudges the 7200A with 7200 processor and says that the cpu runs at 400mhz sharp. That's not reliable at all. Plus it's almost imposible to keep the cpu at 400.00mhz, just like 528.00mhz, it's usually a little bit more or less. So if it is a real measurement, you would probably see something like 401.25 or 528.84 or something Mhz. Have you done some benchmarks on SKTools for example. The cpu is somethimes on par with Samsung Omnia, which should be a Marvell PXA312 624 MHz processor. A 400mhz cpu just can not do that, even though mhz to mhz is not a proper way to compare CPU speed.
Here's a little info on what I mean: SKTools shows that the cpu speed is 400 000 000 hz, which is obviously not the real value but something predefined. Also the Integer Test on SkTools gave a value of 329.8084 units, which is on par with Touch Pro/HD and much faster than Omnia 1 with value of 253.10 on this test. The floating point is 7.552 MWIPS, again on par with the other 528mhz devices, and here it is slower than the top in list 8.63 MWIPS Omnia 624Mhz. The conclusion should be clear - either all devices are underclocked (together with X1) or X1 is running on 528Mhz cpu.
installed the software and started it up, it says my cpu is at 528mhz. where are people getting the 400mhz from?
Official R3 uk rom
TCPMP sometimes shows me 530Mhz XD
Ganondolf said:
installed the software and started it up, it says my cpu is at 528mhz. where are people getting the 400mhz from?
Official R3 uk rom
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4264970&postcount=3
And a few other places. Could just be reported incorrectly to some software, especially when they display exactly 400MHz. On the other hand it could be that CorePlayer or the OS somehow ups the speed to 528 when it is needed. I have heard reports of devices running faster when leaving a video open in the background. Maybe there is already some dynamic clock adjustment going on even without using neuDynamicClock?
this is what i think. the x1 is running at 538mhz but sometimes (with some app/ tasks) its been told to stay at 400mhz for some reason unknown to us (maybe to save battery or so it does not overheat).
if u look at the iphone we know for a fact that it was underclocked but the x1 nowhere has it even been said that its been underclocked apart from a few people on this forum, and i reckon that the app / software is not giving a proper / accurate reading or the app been told to run at 400mhz and people have just assumed that the cpu is underclocked. as i said this software is saying its running a 528mhz, which is the official spec for the cpu, so i cant see how people have handsets that are underclocked.
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Cool! So does it actually show 528MHz and can you see a difference in performance?
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sorry no, i have not tested the x1 at default speed.
but with this software you can change the speed from same state... and a little or medium improvement is possible.
i use the 528 mhz and level 0 for the voltage. to put the chipset to 528 mhz at 1.1 volt instead of 1.325 volt
and in stand-by i put the chipset at 122 mhz and 1.1 volt
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this is what i think. the x1 is running at 538mhz but sometimes (with some app/ tasks) its been told to stay at 400mhz for some reason unknown to us (maybe to save battery or so it does not overheat).
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I agree with that. Even the modern CPUs run at lower speeds if not utilized enough, not to mention that this should be a must for the handheld/pocket devices.
funny thing is, that I've installed nue dynamic clock and without changing anything in the past it shows that my device clock is running 528 mhz @ 1.1V. it is all soo damn confusing...
bronx said:
funny thing is, that I've installed nue dynamic clock and without changing anything in the past it shows that my device clock is running 528 mhz @ 1.1V. it is all soo damn confusing...
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I did this as well, with nue dynamic clock showing 528mHz.
Homescreen++ still shows 400 mHz though. Only thing I can think is that Homescreen++ looks up the processor and mistakes it with a predecessor.
In other news, xperia is darn side quicker than my Kaiser, with a much more beautiful screen bonus, but maybe the speed is related to that 'drivers' story
Anyone know what registry settings Nue alters?
I want to try to overclock.
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Anyone know what registry settings Nue alters?
I want to try to overclock.
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You cannot do that.
Calvin H said:
I did this as well, with nue dynamic clock showing 528mHz.
Homescreen++ still shows 400 mHz though. Only thing I can think is that Homescreen++ looks up the processor and mistakes it with a predecessor.
In other news, xperia is darn side quicker than my Kaiser, with a much more beautiful screen bonus, but maybe the speed is related to that 'drivers' story
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hey! I was a kaiser user as well and x1 is much faster indeed. what more, You musn't forget that it's resolution is more than four times higher.
orelsi said:
You cannot do that.
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I actually did overclock my fuze, to 628MHz. There is a program in the raphael section; performance something something...
I tried it right before i received my x1, and i didn't notice any improvements or problems.
I belive the same app should work for the x1, since it has same chip.
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I actually did overclock my fuze, to 628MHz. There is a program in the raphael section; performance something something...
I tried it right before i received my x1, and i didn't notice any improvements or problems.
I belive the same app should work for the x1, since it has same chip.
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I'd be all over that. I searched the forum but came up empty. If you happen to remember the name, let me know. I'll run a bunch of benchmarks and post them here.
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The way overclocking my original Touch helped with the lags due to the TouchFlo cube got me thinking: is it possible to overclock the Diamond beyond 528MHz? I heard before that Qualcomm processors were un-overclockable? Is this still valid? If not, how can I overclock my Diamond and what are the risks?
Blimey, how much hotter do we want the Diamond to get!
Methinks the battery isn't really up to it either...
It is hot but we need to acknowledge that it does lag sometimes.
A better battery is coming out in the near future (1350mAh) so I'm guessing we should consider overclocking.
I think the Processor is plenty fast enough . Its the operating system and a plugin that is causing the lag .
If you run the device without the 3d pluggin its very quick. Its just that the operating system is enhanced to the hardware but the pluggin is not as intergrated so will never run as fast
Count me in on anything that has the word:
Overclocking Like my insanely smoothly running Overclocked Vista Ultimate Machine!
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I think the Processor is plenty fast enough . Its the operating system and a plugin that is causing the lag .
If you run the device without the 3d pluggin its very quick. Its just that the operating system is enhanced to the hardware but the pluggin is not as intergrated so will never run as fast
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I understand that if WM 6.1 runs smoothly on a 201MHz TI-OMAP processor, it will fly on a 528MHz processor. The point is to get TouchFlo3D to integrate that greatly with the remainder of the OS since it is the most appealing feature of the device. I think that upping the processor to say 650MHz would largely facilitate this.
no no no boys I think that more usefull will be underclock processor for better battery life when you didnt need so much performance...automated state will be the BEST!!! so try to think in this direction...
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no no no boys I think that more usefull will be underclock processor for better battery life when you didnt need so much performance...automated state will be the BEST!!! so try to think in this direction...
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I'm waiting for this option as well
is it ppossible to oc the touch diamond? and what program do i need?
i would really like to oc it!!
Bunch of fools :/ Overclocking a phone that already has overheating issues AND battery life issues.
Am I correct in thinking that there are other devices with the same processor running at 400mhz, if so the speed must be scalable? I agree that the diamond is quick already but if the speed was scalable like battery status with the TI omap I had in my old Artemis, then the battery should last longer since usually it would be running underclocked.
i will buy external bat. is there any program for oc touch diamond
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no no no boys I think that more usefull will be underclock processor for better battery life when you didnt need so much performance...automated state will be the BEST!!! so try to think in this direction...
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Valid point. I guess the software that will overclock the Diamond will also allow underclocking so the goal is the same.
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Bunch of fools :/ Overclocking a phone that already has overheating issues AND battery life issues.
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An extended battery is on the way and I haven't encountered any overheating issues yet. You better check your facts before calling everyone fools.
Apparently there isn't any such software available given that nobody has made suggestions concerning the availabilty of such software yet.
http://www.batteryupgrade.se/produc...9&PHP5SESSID=fe2844f3866fcfcdecb1881ab80afa2d
1800 mAh battery
so no software for now?
do you think it will be avilable one day?
I hope so but I think the problem is that most Qualcomm processors have fast enough clocks so the incentive for developers to look into the problem isn't that great.
Actually, how much resources are required to develop such an application? We could start raising funds to that end.
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http://www.batteryupgrade.se/produc...9&PHP5SESSID=fe2844f3866fcfcdecb1881ab80afa2d
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Yeah. I know about this one but I also heard that GPS doesn't work well when it's on.
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are you joking I bought Diamond because of dims and weight...If I ll want thick basta*d I ll buy HTC touch Pro muhehe or better stay with my Kaiser
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I could have sworn that the processor in the diamond is UNDERCLOCKED as standard, and does not even run at 528Mhz..
If true, probably a decision to conserve battery since 900mAH is bugger all.
Also, again if this is true, you could probably assume it could at least be clocked to 528Mhz which would speed it up, at least make a difference from what were all used to.
Even with TouchFLO3D disabled, I find the Diamond to be not as responsive as other (much older) WinMo devices, this just does not seem to make any sense. An underclocked CPU would explain a lot of things, IMO.
The question is, how can we find out the truth?
with some software like cpu-z for pc.
are there programs for oc other htc products?
just wondering if its possible?
528mhz stock..i know we dont really need the speed
but it would be nice to have the option
juz a friendly warning bro,overclocking is very dangerous.
very very risky on phones, i wouldn't recommend it at all!
also overclocking the cpu will likely just
help a tiny bit because of the other bottlenecks
in the system like ram and flash and io speeds
and overclocking will result in a flat batt pretty fast
suspect most speed inc people feel is purely placebo effect
I've overclockt my artemis and is a lot faster. I've used batterystatus. But i dont know if you can use this programme on a diamond.
Who will test it?
At the moment there exists no program to overclock the diamond.
So this discussion is useless.
TDO
There is a program though.
I don't know how efficient it is, because i'm not interested myself, since the Diamond already has an over-heating problem, I don't think it's wise to overclock it.
The program is called 'performance' and it is designed for Qualcom CPU, like the one Diamond is using.
Give it a try.
(I'm afraid there is only one frecuency avalaible, 660 mhz if i recall right, so, under 700)
The last discussion about "performance" has concluded with the conclusion that it's a fraud, or doesn't do anything at best.
about OC in general, I'm OC'ing everything I own that can be OC'ed. The performance differences are huge, and 99.99% of the time completely safe if you know what you're doing. KJAM OC'ed to 260mhz is one of the fastest devices out there, faster than TYTN, Kaiser or Diamond. The Athena OC'ed to 728mhz is exactly enough to notch up it's video and gaming performance so you can enjoy them. And of-course, my PC processor that came @1.8 Ghz and now running @2.8Ghz, gets quite a boost out of it.
Unfortunately, we probably can't OC the Diamond processor (at least not with any current software).
I think in the Diamond most of the cases CPU doesn't reach to 528Mhz anyway , I guess to save battery, I had b4 P3300 and tried to overclocking it, and saw how the battery becomes empty too fast..
So in the Diamond, specially with the poor battery no needs to overclocking it...
hello
Xperia X1 has a Qualcomm MSM7200 528MHz processor and Omnia i900 has a 624MHz Marvell PXA312 processor , now the question is :
Xperia cpu has the top speed or Omnia Cpu ???
please answer with full detail and full info !!!
thanks
ofcource omnia has a faster cpu
xperia in my opinion is suffering from not optimal firmware..
however i have seen a video online about xperia vs touch pro when switching landscape to port. , xperia wins..
what do u intend to use the phone for most impt.
CPU speed has nothing to do with actual performance, there are many variables there like RAM, video processor and many other things.
so if you want to know which is better between the two by comparing the CPU, then i think you are heading the wrong way.
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ofcource omnia has a faster cpu
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thanks but i need full details !!!
May i know why my Quake 3 only running 1fps on my xperia?
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CPU speed has nothing to do with actual performance, there are many variables there like RAM, video processor and many other things.
so if you want to know which is better between the two by comparing the CPU, then i think you are heading the wrong way.
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you right !!!
i want to now xperia x1 has top speed and top performance or Omnia i900 !!!
xperia have 256mb ram and omnia have 128mb ram !!!
I also got an Fujitsu Siemens n560 with xscale 624MHz (pxa 27* i think) and its twice as fast as xperia playing vga avi.
If i compare the time they need to open /windows for example, the xperia is faster.
The qualcomm is made to run with extra graphics chip i think and is slow if it has to draw something itself.
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I also got an Fujitsu Siemens n560 with xscale 624MHz (pxa 27* i think) and its twice as fast as xperia playing vga avi.
If i compare the time they need to open /windows for example, the xperia is faster.
The qualcomm is made to run with extra graphics chip i think and is slow if it has to draw something itself.
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thanks ! nice !!
command , more info , you can do it !!!
CPU Topic only...
No brainer! 624MHz > 528MHz.. Omnia Wins!
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frankly, you can't compare CPU with MHZ. depends on the internal structure.. for example, u take a pentium 3 CPU 3GHZ vs intel core 2 3GHZ, intel core 2 will be WAY faster
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frankly, you can't compare CPU with MHZ. depends on the internal structure.. for example, u take a pentium 3 CPU 3GHZ vs intel core 2 3GHZ, intel core 2 will be WAY faster
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yes , you right !!! we can't compare CPU with MHZ !!!!
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yes , you right !!! we can't compare CPU with MHZ !!!!
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I have to disagree on this one.
Of course there are hundreds of important facts, how the CPU is processing the data, which structure it is using, what processes can be outsourced, how they are transferred and so on.
But these are concerns of the processor type and its environment.
The MHz say, how many operations the CPU can do per second. That is the only indication of its real speed.
Just think about the car industry. If you want to compare the power of an engine to another, everything that counts is the power. There are thousands of reasons why the car with the weaker engine could be faster than the other (maybe the stronger engine is built in a truck or what else).
But you wanted to compare the engines, so the most powerful wins.
I'm sure, the opener of the thread rather wanted to hear about the overall phone speed, but then he asked the wrong question.
i remember he powerpc cpu used to be lower than p4 but used to run a lot faster. i think the ram is the bigger factor between these 2 handsets. i know the x1 has a due core cpu, not sure on the other handset.
correct me if im wrong but these are both based on the same arm cpu right?
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No brainer! 624MHz > 528MHz.. Omnia Wins!
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Just like the old AMD 64 series CPU's beat Intel Pentium 4 chips which ran at a way higher clockspeed?
Get the facts straight before posting ignorant posts like that. Pure clockspeed has nothing to do with overall performance of a CPU.
Non scientific answer here, but ive got both phones.
The omnia on the stock Vodafone UK rom was slow as ya like to the point where the phone was almost useless.
Both phones with cooked roms on them perform about the same.
Personal winner... cant choose, omnia better as a phone, x1 better as a pda, not amazed by either.
lol not amazed by either
Simple test. One is Divx certified and the other isn't. That's a true performance test.
Hi,
i used to have both phone and i have used them and test them a lot.
for processors mhz doesn't mean anything sine a long time now.That why industry has creatd mips instead of frequency . Why ? for instance take a pentium 1 266mhz and a pentium 1 mmx 266mhz. same frequency but p1 mmx was way faster because of optimise instructions inside the cpu itself. Don't forgot we speak for frenquency about cpu cycles. before it was 1 cpu cycle = one simple operation since mmx 1cpu cycle severals operations. So you can have a very high frequency processor which can do worst than a lesser frenquency one. Compare Pentium 2 400mhz with a G3 266 mhz. G3 had the same performance. Why? not the same technology inside. A core 2 duo 1.8gz will outperform an p4 4 ghz even with more than 2ghz frenquency difference!!!
So to come back to the thread. omnia 1 arm cpu. xperia qualcomm 2700a.
2700a = dual core processor with integrated gpu. 1 core for the pda 1 core for the phone and 1 core for the 3d graphic cards( omnia doesn't have an accelerated graphic card.) So with the actual firmware we can say that omnia has reached the maximum of its capabilities. Which is not true with the xperia.
in cpu benchmark the two are about equals. But xperia is faster in all the other domain like memory access ...better multitasking on xperia.
for example on omnia when using their touchscroll music player if you got a lot of music the music will stop during the scrolling because scrolling" iphone like" takes a lot of ram....
the truth is that it's better to have more ram and a less powerfull processor than having a powerfull processor and no ram.
after a lot of testing i have sold my omnia and kept my xperia.
it's only my opinion with the test i made.
cheers.
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Simple test. One is Divx certified and the other isn't. That's a true performance test.
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divx playback with the integrated player was shocking. Packets of pixels everywhere...thx coreplayer to play divx so well!! and the resolution is a bit too small 240*400.
only samsung phone are divx certified... maybe because the other construtor didn't ask for the certification.
Has anyone tried to set the Maximal CPU Speed to 624 Mhz? I admit I'm afraid to set it to 624, because there is a note where it says Overclocking to 624 Mhz may cause random lockups, "white screen" issue, a damage to the device with warranty loss. I was thinking, maybe if it would work, we could run manilla 2.5 ass smooth as it gets for the Blackstone.
Any thoughts?
it's on your own risk!
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Has anyone tried to set the Maximal CPU Speed to 624 Mhz? I admit I'm afraid to set it to 624, because there is a note where it says Overclocking to 624 Mhz may cause random lockups, "white screen" issue, a damage to the device with warranty loss. I was thinking, maybe if it would work, we could run manilla 2.5 ass smooth as it gets for the Blackstone.
Any thoughts?
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1- sry for bad English
2-overclocking is normally dangerous for CPU or Graphic Card in long time!
but it can be dangerous in short time but in short time has a very low risk!
I can't say to you to overclock but it's normal on PCs or laptops (your Graphic Card is always work overclock when you're playing)
but I will never test it on my device
overclock may cause to wrong processes! 2+2=134234 !!!!!!!
and may use battery above normal or can make the CPU too hot!
non of these are dangerous in short time
but it's on your own risk to check it!
cotzy said:
Has anyone tried to set the Maximal CPU Speed to 624 Mhz? I admit I'm afraid to set it to 624, because there is a note where it says Overclocking to 624 Mhz may cause random lockups, "white screen" issue, a damage to the device with warranty loss. I was thinking, maybe if it would work, we could run manilla 2.5 ass smooth as it gets for the Blackstone.
Any thoughts?
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Other major trade offs in addition to what you have already mentioned is the battery life/consumption. Not sure if it's worth overclocking although with the cold winters in Canada here, I'm sure the device would keep us warmer as overclocking it also attributed to over heating as well.
All these stresses would I'm sure subtract the HD's overall life span, not to mention the risk of the device dying upon immediate attempt.
I will stick to the department of overclocking computers which have the proper cooling tools necessary for a successful setup.
Dynamic overclocking
On my Artemis (P3300) there was an app that overclocked the device dynamically, and this was excellent for battery.
My TyTN II didn't have that (at least not at the time), which was disappointing.
Would it be possible to adjust the clockspeed dynamically like on the Artemis?
It could vary the speed from pretty darn overclocked to dog slow
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On my Artemis (P3300) there was an app that overclocked the device dynamically, and this was excellent for battery.
My TyTN II didn't have that (at least not at the time), which was disappointing.
Would it be possible to adjust the clockspeed dynamically like on the Artemis?
It could vary the speed from pretty darn overclocked to dog slow
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OMAPs are easy to overclock, My Herald was overclocked. Qualcomms do not do that well. Also, I do not think there is an overclock app for them.
I DO !!!
I am having some problems with my blackstone and I have no fear to overclock it...
Could someone tell me how to overclock it ?
TNX!!!
Hi all,
I would like to know if overvolting of msm 7201A is possible on htc diamond. I have overclocked this cpu at 710Mhz with wimospeed. At 729Mhz the device become unstable. So i would try to overvolt thi cpu to obtain better performance. In this way i don't need to buy a new device, because at default settings the htc diamond is very slow, in my opinion.
Thanks.
nobody answer?
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nobody answer?
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Give 'em some time. I've been waiting for an answer for my question for a couple months now, .
In all seriousness though, I really don't have an answer for you. I can share my experiences with it though - I used to have an app baked into my ROMs that claimed to be able to overvolt a little bit, but it was all just a hoax. The app didn't actually do anything though, so I'm thinking "no".
Give it time though.
Good luck.
- 2 Bunny
Oh sorry. Ok i'll wait for an answer.
u want water cooling too?
LOL, it's not necessary, default heatstink is enough.
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Hi all,
I would like to know if overvolting of msm 7201A is possible on htc diamond. I have overclocked this cpu at 710Mhz with wimospeed. At 729Mhz the device become unstable. So i would try to overvolt thi cpu to obtain better performance. In this way i don't need to buy a new device, because at default settings the htc diamond is very slow, in my opinion.
Thanks.
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Could be useful overclock RAM.... An HTC HD Mini has only 600 Mhz CPU and go faster and faster then Diamond...
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Could be useful overclock RAM.... An HTC HD Mini has only 600 Mhz CPU and go faster and faster then Diamond...
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you're right; i tried to set cpu speed at 400Mhz and the system reactivity was the same. Could be useful also increase bus speed. If this overclock is possible i can buy a 1350mah battery so i don't need a new smartphone lol.