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ROM update - Risk of bricking?

I've been looking at loads of comments from people about using Dutty's ROM and am very tempted to try it but I'd like to know what the odds are like of bricking my HD in the process?
I'm a little paranoid because with my Omnia I did a ROM change successfully but a lot of people brick them and it seems a bit random, so I was wondering if it's the same with the HD, or if they are much 'safer' somehow to update?
Cheers!
Jim

Cret said:
I've been looking at loads of comments from people about using Dutty's ROM and am very tempted to try it but I'd like to know what the odds are like of bricking my HD in the process?
I'm a little paranoid because with my Omnia I did a ROM change successfully but a lot of people brick them and it seems a bit random, so I was wondering if it's the same with the HD, or if they are much 'safer' somehow to update?
Cheers!
Jim
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You can use SD method to flash, it's safety. Or if you use CustomRUU it's safety too, becouse it doesn't format the bootloader... and it changes only the OS, so if the process will be interrupted you will have only to reflash the device.
You can find it in this section in the sticky threads.

Very helpful mate, thanks

The risk isn't much. Think of it as Flashing your BIOS on your PC. if you lose power or something goes wrong u can brick your PC the same way. The risk and reasons are about the same. Make sure you have a full charge, its best to be plugged in on power, flashing from SD is somewhat safer. and even if the flash fails usually its not bricked anyway but you may have to try again or t the rom image on the sd card fro a card reader then goto boot menu again to flash.

Psyberd said:
The risk isn't much. Think of it as Flashing your BIOS on your PC. if you lose power or something goes wrong u can brick your PC the same way.
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Thats a very bad comparision. As already said the bootloader doesn't get touched, so you can't brick something at all.

[Q] I need help from the radio and the spl!

I want to use Haykuro ROM 6.0r1 but I need help from the radio and the spl!
What do I do first how do I do it?!?! Please help me! thanks

Adidas Reborn said:
I want to use Haykuro ROM 6.0r1 but I need help from the radio and the spl!
What do I do first how do I do it?!?! Please help me! thanks
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You need to install the radio first, then the SPL. I HIGHLY suggest you do some reading before you attempt anything. Once and IF you brick your phone, there is no going back.

search for it. its all over the place.

i know that but i was hoping someone could help me on here and i have read many ways of doing this i was thinking about updating the radio first and then erasing that then putting on the spl what do i do to keep it from bricking lol i have already bricked one but i think i did the spl first

calm down and read bro
the information thread on this forum explains it all beggining at getting root access (DONT SKIP STEPS TRUST ME I KNOW) after i got all the way too rc33 from jesus frekes rom (found on the how to obtain root thread) then i updated the radio found at the htc website and then new spl(just type in new radio + spl) its alot prolly will take you a couple of hours
start out at how to obtain root - if you have that already then get the new radio from htc website and then get Hspl from one of these threads started by Haykuro
i know its tuff to get help all ppl wanna do is tell you to search without even giving you an idea

If you have already bricked one device i would suggest you stop modding your phone. Or maybe just search and actually read the forum.... (hint: there is a big sticky called "helpful thread", that may be a good place to get help)

i know what your saying i have all this done but i have trouble figuring out the spl lol. when its done do i click home and back or do i take my sd out and put the haykuro's 6.0r1 rom?

Adidas Reborn said:
i know what your saying i have all this done but i have trouble figuring out the spl lol. when its done do i click home and back or do i take my sd out and put the haykuro's 6.0r1 rom?
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flash spl leave it there dont touch the anything take the sd put it in your computer if you have a card reader throw in the rom - put the sd back in your phone flash the update.zip and your good
if anyone wants to challenge my instructions feel free

ok since you dont wanna search. hit home and back. let it finish writing the spl before pulling the battery. you have to reapply a rom afterward so have a sd card reader handy....
please don't make another thread if you brick your phone. this thread is in the wrong section.
Adidas Reborn said:
i know what your saying i have all this done but i have trouble figuring out the spl lol. when its done do i click home and back or do i take my sd out and put the haykuro's 6.0r1 rom?
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sorry about all this im a noob to the web site.

Adidas Reborn said:
I want to use Haykuro ROM 6.0r1 but I need help from the radio and the spl!
What do I do first how do I do it?!?! Please help me! thanks
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I personally would advise against using Haykuro's ROM. It's totally nothing against Haykuro at all, it just seems to me that you need to add more files to your system than any other ROM, which obviously provides a higher chance of bricking your phone, which I also have read as happening when doing so.
I would suggest you try Cyanogen's ROMs. There are links to all that you'll need in my signature if you decide to do that.

Agreed. If I were you i'd mess with the spl you have for now. Once you're comfortable flashing roms and themes and doing other mods to your phone then maybe, just maybe take the plunge. You'll notice a lot of people want to try the "new spl/rom" combination but, when it comes down to it most revert back to a different rom. Browse the forums for a minute and look at sigs. A lot more seem happy with JF's or cyan's rom. The larger roms are "cool" but just not meant to run on the G1/Dream.
Before doing anything do it like six times on paper, compare one provided solution to then next to make sure they jive, read past the solution a few pages to see if something was left out a later added to the thread(sometimes the OP doesn't update their post). Learn the terms and what they do
Also on the you're still a noob front, if you wish to rise above that some research is required. Questions are good and can help in a pinch but for general info (the stuff you should know before attempting to mod anything) it's more productive from a learning point to figure out the answer for yourself. I'm not just saying to search then copy/paste, but research and get an understanding what your doing. If you have no clue what you're doing then even when given an accurate solution there's still a good chance you will do something wrong.
Heh, not trying to flame ya, just help ya become a better modder. The spl and radio are core components of the G1's software and can easily get you into trouble. Roms on the other hand are an easy fix if fubar'd. Good luck..

Looking for a little clarification on rooting

I am fairly new to rooting, but thanks to this great website and all your inputs I have learned so much over the past month.
I first rooted my G1 using the 1-click method which was great, but now my earpiece has blown I will be receiving a new handset next week. So I learned how to properly downgrade and install stock firmware for my old handset.
When I receive my new handset, I decided to take the plunge and root the traditional way for 2 reasons.. 1- to learn a different way and 2- its possible the security hole may be patched by then rendering the 1-click useless.
Anyway, after reading all the varying posts on how to downgrade/root/flash custom rom I am still left with a little confusion so hopefully someone can clear this up for me.
When actually rooting, I have seen methods to type various things in the telnet window, and another method to just rerun the .apk and select "protect root". What is the difference between these two methods? Do they both accomplish the same task of making a permanent root? One method actually said to download the JFreke rom to fix permissions to root, bo no other method mentioned that. Is that even necessary?
Also, I know that with Cyanogen Roms I do not really need to flash to "hard spl" if I decide to stay with cm roms, and cm recovery also allows the use of nandroid backup as well. The only other argument I have seen is that a hard spl would potentially allow someone to "unbrick" a bricked phone, but from everything I have read, most people have bricked trying to flash the hard spl.
If I am going to stay with cm roms, is there any real benefit to a hard spl other than increasing the brick chance? If I do upgrade the spl, am I correct that it would be done last, after a potential radio update (assuming my replacement handset does not come with the latest radio)?
Sorry for all the questions, and thanks in advance for your help.

This is the best guide I found.
I have done 4 phones using this method with only 2 minor differences.
1) I format the sd card using a microsd card reader instead of the phone.
2) when it says What To Do Now That You Have Root don't download any of the builds listed there, just download the latest cyan stable rom.

This is the guide hehe forgot to link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442480
Oh and don't worry about swap or apps2sd partitions until after you root and verify that the rom is working with no problems, this will limit the number of variables in case you have troubles.

Thanks for the input.
So do you install hard spl according to that guide or do you skip that and just install the cm rom?
I love the auto apps2sd of cm roms. My phone is currently back on stock cupcake and I miss having all my apps on my 500mb ext 3 partition!

yea you need HardSPL. and use the recovery linked in the guide. Install cyan's recovery later.

This to me is the easiest step by step visual rooting process have done 3 G1 with full success. The newest G1 I had would not let me do the 1 click rooting method.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOo2V9qCauc&feature=related

maybeoneday said:
This to me is the easiest step by step visual rooting process have done 3 G1 with full success. The newest G1 I had would not let me do the 1 click rooting method.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOo2V9qCauc&feature=related
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Yeah I figured the new handset would most likely be patched. What was the result when you tried the 1-click. Would the new phone just not let you install the 1-click apk?

One thing I might add is you can't brick your phone by flashing Hardspl. It's the "danger" spl that has the potential of bricking your phone. Just follow the traditional guide that fingerlickin provided and your good to go.

Thanks for the help!

Anytime.......

Nope sure wouldn't just kept telling me install aborted. I don't no why. It could be some kind of patch. But I went to old faithfull step by step you tube install. Its really a nice video. You can pause the video and root your phone right along with guy doing the video. he also gives you links on the side bar to all files needed in the rooting process.

oh I'm sorry, I actually have one more question.
After flashing the HardSPl, would there ever be a reason to revert back to the original g1 spl? For instance if I had to send a phone back to t-mo, would they know that I am using the hardspl if all I did was reload the dreaimg.rbh rc-29 downgrade, or does that also reflash the spl back to the original?

Yes you would want to unroot phone before sending it to Tmobile, they do not warrenty a rooted phone
Unrooting
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=491350

dcorrea said:
oh I'm sorry, I actually have one more question.
After flashing the HardSPl, would there ever be a reason to revert back to the original g1 spl? For instance if I had to send a phone back to t-mo, would they know that I am using the hardspl if all I did was reload the dreaimg.rbh rc-29 downgrade, or does that also reflash the spl back to the original?
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You shouldn't ever have to go back. T-mo would prolly never check it. Many people have sent there phones in with root access and different things installed. But if you do get paranoid and ever have to do it, just flash RC29 and it will put everything back to stock.

maybeoneday said:
Yes you would want to unroot phone before sending it to Tmobile, they do not warrenty a rooted phone
Unrooting
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=491350
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I turned my phone in with root access and custom splash screen and they didn't say anything. You don't want to make it known that you have done anything to it, but they won't check. When they are sent in they just hook it up with jtag and reflash everything.

supremeteam256 said:
You shouldn't ever have to go back. T-mo would prolly never check it. Many people have sent there phones in with root access and different things installed. But if you do get paranoid and ever have to do it, just flash RC29 and it will put everything back to stock.
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Ok thanks that is what I figured. I actually just unrooted my phone yesterday from cyanogens rom, but I never flashed the SPL (did the 1-click thing originally), but now that I am going to do the original method I wanted to be sure.
I can't wait for my replacement phone to get here next week, because using the stock cupcake rom sux!
Anyway, thanks to everyone who gave their input and helped me learn even more about the process! You all rock!

supremeteam256 said:
I turned my phone in with root access and custom splash screen and they didn't say anything. You don't want to make it known that you have done anything to it, but they won't check. When they are sent in they just hook it up with jtag and reflash everything.
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Really, thats music to my ears. I have often thought it would be a pain if something broke on the phone and I had to try to unroot it before I sent it in. uhhhh like a bricked phone

I work in an electronics repair company and I agree with supremeteam256 about sending your phone in rooted. Our techs don't check for tampering, they just plug it in and use the programs my department writes to test and reflash the devices. Of course our devices are much more complicated but the same NON-Communication between customer service and technicians still exist.
I think the biggest reason for this is because the techs just aren't interested in explaining the technical details to a customer service rep because all they ever get is "huh? wtf is a bootloader?"

Disclaimer:
I'm not claiming that HTC or TMobile will not check or notice that you have rooted your phone. Just illustrating that the repair techs don't want to talk to customer service anymore than you do and would rather just fix the phone and move on to the next one.

Fingerlickin said:
I work in an electronics repair company and I agree with supremeteam256 about sending your phone in rooted. Our techs don't check for tampering, they just plug it in and use the programs my department writes to test and reflash the devices. Of course our devices are much more complicated but the same NON-Communication between customer service and technicians still exist.
I think the biggest reason for this is because the techs just aren't interested in explaining the technical details to a customer service rep because all they ever get is "huh? wtf is a bootloader?"
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Nice breakdown.

Help do i need HARD SPL to run android

do i need Hard SPL to run android on my phone or can i run it on stock spl and stock rom? thanks

shayan.k said:
do i need Hard SPL to run android on my phone or can i run it on stock spl and stock rom? thanks
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From what I understand haret.exe is like HSPL, but you may want to ask in the Android thread.

thanks anyway. hope some one knows because i want to run android on this phone

thanks anyway. hope some one knows because i want to run android on this phone

I read somewhere in the andriod thread that it is not required

Yes you need it. Everybody else doesnt but you have stock so you need it ..
/endsarcasm
NO. This has been answered so many times xD Little searching before /openthread.

You don't need to HARDSPL for Android.
J-r0en said:
Yes you need it. Everybody else doesnt but you have stock so you need it ..
/endsarcasm
NO. This has been answered so many times xD Little searching before /openthread.
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I have stock rom and I don't need it.
But beware, ones you ran Android and want to use Windows again you need to HARD-RESET your device!!!!!

Tom Lenferink said:
I have stock rom and I don't need it.
But beware, ones you ran Android and want to use Windows again you need to HARD-RESET your device!!!!!
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i actually ran android on my phone yesterday but to tell u the truth it was slow and pretty much useless (for know till they get everything working)
and you dont need to hard reset. all you need to do is take out the battery and put it back in and start your phone.
J-r0en i couldn't find it and i searched but if you don't like helping people get OFFFF the forums

Help Me Please

I feel I've made a terrible (and stupid) mistake. I decided to unroot my phone from cyanogen roms. I read a how to guide that I guess was outdated because now I have android 1.0 firmware. The guidw was [how to] unroot by tubaking182 (absolutely zero offense to him, not his fault, I'm stupid, etc etc.) So I now have stock version 1.0. There's no check for system updates under about phone in settings so I can't do that. There are file manager apps that I could use to rename the necessary updates into update.zip, but there's no apps available like download crutch so I can download them. I also can't enter recovery. It gives me a triangle with an exclamation inside next to a image of a phone and that's it and I have no idea how to install an update without recovery mode. As I'm sure you've noticed by now, I'm the epitome of newb and feel free to laugh at my failure. I just really need someone to help me and would be eternally grateful. In all likelihood, I'll need step by step instructions on what to do. I know this is a lot to ask and I've really done nothing to earn this help... I really just need assistance. Thank you to anyone who helps me in advance

Not to be an asshole and say "Shoulda Coulda Woulda" but you really should have done your research before embarking on bricking your phone.

ItsAndroidsWorld had many videos on You Tube. Look for ones on how to root, then how to install the death spl, then look for the ones with Super D or FastTest .. as it seems as though they are probably the best roms for everyday use at this point.
I've found that using these videos via You Tube is the easiest way to go.
Good Luck.
^^^ ABOVE POST stolen from another similar thread.

psyko-m1 said:
Not to be an asshole and say "Shoulda Coulda Woulda" but you really should have done your research before embarking on bricking your phone.
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he didn't brick his phone, don't scare him
To OP: The same happened to me when I was a n00b at this ****.
Dude, google is your friend.
Calm down.

tsk tsk tsk.....Im gonig to say this....WRONG SECTION
but I will be nice as well. just find the updates on google from 1.0 to 1.5 and oh yeah to get back into recovery from the triangle withthe !...alt L...but if you somehow brick ya phone youe fault not mine next time do ya research before you mess with ya phone

Technically speaking he is in a DEFCON 2 "Brick" situation.
Sorry.

psyko-m1 said:
Technically speaking he is in a DEFCON 2 "Brick" situation.
Sorry.
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Well he's in the wet cement

SeEsAw12 said:
Well he's in the wet cement
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Or...
You are late for work and have a flat...

click on this http://theunlockr.com/category/howto/android_how_tos/htc-mytouch-3g-magic/:cool:

remove the cool http://theunlockr.com/category/howto/android_how_tos/htc-mytouch-3g-magic/

this website should help you get back on track and you just need to download the nbh file to get it back to cupcake

BUT 0MGAWWZZZ N00BZORZ DO3S 1.0 HAVE A DA SENSE RAOM???
in all seriousness, there's nothing actually wrong with your phone. You completely unrooted it. By following the aforementioned instructions, it'll be easy to reroot and update. What I DO find weird is why you're not getting 1.5 OTA...

although i hate when people post in the wrong section - im in a good mood this morning
http://zenthought.org/content/project/flashrec
not sure if it works in 1.0 - it should as it uses a rather old bug to do so

Easy as pie...just follow the guide in my sig.
=)

To those who say I bricked it, I know that's not the case it still works so I obviously didn't brick it... not that fail thankfully.
To thenameismax, AHA! I did not know about alt+l retrieving text so thank you thank you thank you. I just need to get the necessary updates and copy them to sd card root, rename update.zip/install one at a time... I think lol
Thanks again to all who helped and sorry about the wrong section. When I was rooting, it was in development. I assumed that unrooting would be too and therefore problems with that... further fail.

afiellerddr said:
To those who say I bricked it, I know that's not the case it still works so I obviously didn't brick it... not that fail thankfully.
To thenameismax, AHA! I did not know about alt+l retrieving text so thank you thank you thank you. I just need to get the necessary updates and copy them to sd card root, rename update.zip/install one at a time... I think lol
Thanks again to all who helped and sorry about the wrong section. When I was rooting, it was in development. I assumed that unrooting would be too and therefore problems with that... further fail.
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yeah man no problem. good luck.

Don't do anything. In a day or two you get an OTA update.
You can force the update like people have mentioned, but as long as you can hold off for a day or two you dont need to.
BTW, at some point you will see the E or 3G icon downloading like crazy and you dont know why. It is downloading the update. Stay away from task killers and in my experience it is good to be around wifi.
Just relax.

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