The Gallery (Lite) Middlemind Games FREE 2.1.7
The Gallery (Full) Middlemind Games $1.99 2.1.7
Pic Swap (Lite) Middlemind Games FREE 2.1.7
Pic Swap (Full) Middlemind Games $1.99 2.1.7
Image Droid (Lite) Middlemind Games FREE 2.1.7
Image Droid (Full) Middlemind Games $1.99 2.1.7
The description for all of them is identical. This Dev will never, never see any of my money no matter how good his apps are.
Are the light versions timed? Or limited in some fashion?
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The description for all of them is identical. This Dev will never, never see any of my money no matter how good his apps are.
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I don't get it. What's the complaint? Free + Lite vs Full + Pay? What's wrong with that?
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The Gallery (Lite) Middlemind Games FREE 2.1.7
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The description for all of them is identical. This Dev will never, never see any of my money no matter how good his apps are.
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Why shouldn't there be this? Look at Robo Defence or any the home replacement, there is a lite one for free to test it out n a paid full one. I actually like this idea so i don't have to buy it just to test it out
-Look at it like buying a car, do you just buy it without test driving it first? You think they should charge you the full price of the car just to test drive it, or let you test drive it for free to see if you like it then when you like it and want to have it you buy it?
It seems the OP is a noob. No the descriptions are not identical. He does not see the words lite and full in the titles i guess. Conisder it a free demo to test before you buy. Why waste money if you test and find out it sucks. This is good business to offer free demos.
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It seems the OP is a noob. No the descriptions are not identical. He does not see the words lite and full in the titles i guess. Conisder it a free demo to test before you buy. Why waste money if you test and find out it sucks. This is good business to offer free demos.
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see even me drinking knows that... haha
I think that the OP's point is that he has three applications all with the same description, that all do the same thing, all with the same version numbers. The dev is trying to provide the illusion of competition, assuming that he'll make three times the money with three times the apps.
I could be wrong though.
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I think that the OP's point is that he has three applications all with the same description, that all do the same thing, all with the same version numbers. The dev is trying to provide the illusion of competition, assuming that he'll make three times the money with three times the apps.
I could be wrong though.
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Even if they are all the same who cares. Once Google starts making a habit of restricting itmes that can be on the market they heading down the same path as crApple. Any copyright infringement stuff makes sense to restrict, but aside from that it should be totally open and free.
Yes, I still think it stinks they pulled the tethering apps.
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But that's the thing, they don't have the same description. Each is clearly marked Lite or Full. One is free and the other is not.
Also, Google provides very little space for application descriptions so developers are constantly limited in what they can actually describe in the alloted space. It may be the developer believes the name says it all. It may be there simply isn't enough space to make any real distinction which doesn't further confuse the matter.
If "Lite" + free and "Full" + pay doesn't make the distinction clear, how else should the developer convey the message?
In my book its pretty clear but as a developer I'm interested in alternate positions on the issue.
I think the OP means that the developer released the same application three times under different names. So he can theoretically make 3x the money if people were stupid enough to pay for the same application with the same name.
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Hopefully the noise didn't hurt your ears. I just snapped to what you're saying. I thought that was three different examples. Its one example of two versions of the application listed six different ways.
Yes, I agree that's pretty sleazy but it is strongly recommended in marketing 101. You'll find in many markets, probably in areas you don't even realize, companies are their own competition and leverage that to not provide bottom dollar pricing; after all, there's competition. Its extremely common in computer/component sales.
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The Gallery (Lite) Middlemind Games FREE 2.1.7
The Gallery (Full) Middlemind Games $1.99 2.1.7
Pic Swap (Lite) Middlemind Games FREE 2.1.7
Pic Swap (Full) Middlemind Games $1.99 2.1.7
Image Droid (Lite) Middlemind Games FREE 2.1.7
Image Droid (Full) Middlemind Games $1.99 2.1.7
The description for all of them is identical. This Dev will never, never see any of my money no matter how good his apps are.
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Just because you will not buy it does that mean someone else will not? Its open source. If the dev wants to put up a paid version of his app even if it is the exact same as the other one, maybe it is there for donation purposes. Other devs have done the same.
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most of the lite versions are ad supported, where the paid versions are ad free. Other than that, they are the same. I don't see the problem. The devs are finding a way to provide the apps free of charge while still making some money on it. And if you want the app, but no ads, then you can pay for it.
Geesh people... READ THE OP. Then read the REST OF THE POSTS.
The issue is not that he's posting lite/paid versions - it's that he's posting the same app multiple times under different names. While I agree it sucks and he should be called out as a fraud (and this is why the market needs filters) I guess it should be allowed. I'm glad to have MyMarket now where I can filter these asses out.
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While I agree it sucks and he should be called out as a fraud (and this is why the market needs filters) I guess it should be allowed. I'm glad to have MyMarket now where I can filter these asses out.
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The cold hard truth of the matter is that its a competitive world out there, and if it means it'll pay the rent, an app developer is free to do whatever is necessary to increase profits. That may include posting the same app under multiple names. This is really just another form of app spam. We should expect more in the future.
What surprises me isn't that app spam exists, it is that Google hasn't stepped to the plate with a solution to the problem. Then again, I don't think the search and database folks have really applied themselves to the Market yet. To date, Market has probably been more of a product of the Android and business development folks. Hopefully folks at Google will soon realize that differentiating the application store through powerful search and filtering can give it a distinct edge over the Apple App Store (which is broken six ways to sunday).
All you have to do to list an application multiple times on the Market is to rename the package name. Say another developer releases a competing application but only lists it once under one name - this guy's app will get three times the sale potential as that one. Ultimately, it creates an unfair environment - but it's not against the terms of service either.
I was sleeping last night during all these posts, that's why no response until now.
I don't get it. What's the complaint? Free + Lite vs Full + Pay? What's wrong with that?
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Why shouldn't there be this? Look at Robo Defence or any the home replacement, there is a lite one for free to test it out n a paid full one. I actually like this idea so i don't have to buy it just to test it out
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But that's the thing, they don't have the same description. Each is clearly marked Lite or Full. One is free and the other is not.
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You missed the entire point of the post. 3 apps from the same dev that are identical.
It seems the OP is a noob. No the descriptions are not identical. He does not see the words lite and full in the titles i guess. Conisder it a free demo to test before you buy. Why waste money if you test and find out it sucks. This is good business to offer free demos.
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It would seem you are the noob, same response as above.
I think the OP means that the developer released the same application three times under different names. So he can theoretically make 3x the money if people were stupid enough to pay for the same application with the same name.
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Finally, someone who is smart enough NOT to fall for what this dev is doing. Lets sit back and watch these other guys argue about lite vs. full and buy two of the same apps.
What surprises me isn't that app spam exists, it is that Google hasn't stepped to the plate with a solution to the problem
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Exactly my point, Thank You.
You know I didn't think I would have to spell out why I made the post, I was under the impression that you guys were an intelligent group of people.
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Yes, I still think it stinks they pulled the tethering apps.
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They retracted that: http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/02/google-restores-tethering-apps-to-android-market-just-not-in-th/
Looks like either Google or the Dev has removed 2 of the 3 apps, Pic Swap and Image Gallery are gone now.
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market...not working for me.
Initially, I downloaded and installed pacman and shop savvy. After the upgrade came through which put me at RC28, the market doesn't seem to work properly. When I click on the app I want, it looks as if the download is happening, but when I check download notifications, it says download unsuccessful. I've tried this on several apps...all have failed.
Heads Up - Market
In case you haven't looked lately, there are a dozen or so new apps today
and still nothing worth downloading
I second that. I am about to put the g1 up until something worth a sh*t comes out. But that's just me.
when did u get the update and did u have a choice to update or did it do it automatically,i'm just curious cuz i haven't got it yet
Did you try the download with 3G on??
If not, try it with 3G
We needed a new thread for this info?
The following morning after I got the phone.....there was a window after the unlock sequence. There did not appear to be an option, it just executed the update. I've tried both wifi and 3g....both don't work.
I noticed that I am having issues with some applications in the market. They will fail... I kept redownloading them till they finally came thru.
I haven't got the update yet. I think this is just because the market is getting soo many new applications and such it probably is having hard times with it all.
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Good point
Wow lots lots more! AndNav!!
Actually did you download it yet? lol
does it work?
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I haven't got the update yet.
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I read by Nov. 2nd it getting out there, hang in there.
As long as the software states that its a trial in the listing I dont have a problem with it. Someone will write a free version at some point. I would want to be paid for my work too
Most of the apps aren't trials, and the ones that I've seen that are thus far are clearly marked.
I don't mind, since it's not some large majority of applications that are timebombed or limited trials. You would expect some people to not want to give away their stuff, and there's not a huge flow of apps just yet.
Like all open source, I'm very enthusiastic to see what the market produces in the free category - I'm sure it's going to be impressive.
I don't know if the location of were I am located in the US but the I downloaded the widely talked about SHOPSAVVY application and doesn't seem to work well. Sure its free but it doesn't give me the nearest stores and only one or two online suggestions. WEAK SAUCE in my oppinion. I also saw and downloaded (by accident) trialware which I too believe should be in a different catagory. There were not a big selection of apps that were worth my time. Dissappointed
funny you say that because I always have my GPS on and I did it while I was outside. OH'well
danielbui23 said:
funny you say that because I always have my GPS on and I did it while I was outside. OH'well
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Try CompareEverywhere
aad4321 said:
This is ridiculous and I dont know who to contact to fix this. All these (****ty) apps are popping up in the app store as free, but really are trials, or even ADVERTISEMENTS for the actual product you must buy. I hope who ever is running the app store fixes this. Im disappointed because they said the apps would be free until next year but developers are making their own way around this rule to charge users for their ****ty apps.
This is one of the reasons i miss my windows mobile phone so much, because of all the excellent developers who created software for free, and diddnt try to make a pretty penny.
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Its BETA so developers are going to put out BETA apps for people to test then they will charge for the final product. If you don't want to pay for apps then don't. Stop *****ing the damn phone/OS just came out. There will be free apps eventually, you can't even compare to Windows(WHICH HAS BEEN OUT FOR A LOT LONGER).
I understand your anger. Trial versions in my world ARE NOT FREEWARES! It's called SHAREWARE and are completely another kind ob beast. I'm REALLY PICKY at what I'm adding to our directory of free Android software and there is no chance for a trial, shareware or a demo to get inside. I'm myself sick of all these "smart promotion strategies" by developers and I hope Googlers at Android Market will sort this out soon (but I fear they won't interfere too much). Let's see!
So when I first got the captivate I was disappointed that my buddy with the incredible could side-load apps and I could not... So what did I do? I rooted it and enabled side-loading... now that was over a month or more ago and I have yet to install one non-market app... What are you guys using for apps that are not on the market?
MiKandi, for the gay porn.
Seriously though, I don't think most people sideload non-market apps, or at least I haven't really found anything worthwhile outside of the market, especially since the captivate comes with Swype pre-installed. I've sideloaded some beta software that isn't found in the market, like firefox mobile, and some other stuff that disappeared from the market after my 2.2 upgrade (new york times mobile), but none of them are must-have apps. Most of the sideloading I do is just to test my own programs, since the sdk's simulator runs slow on my computer. It's nice to have the option though, even if you don't currently need it.
Also, if I remember right, some game companies don't sell their stuff on the market, like assassin's creed and whatnot. I'd imagine you'd have to be able to install non-market apps to install those.
nfl moble from verizon
1. Fancy Widget
2. DropBox (working non-market version1003)
3. QIK 0.3.74 (working video chat 3g/wifi)
4. Glyder2 (is it market yet?)
5. StarWars Live Wallpapers
Don't tell people how to get warez on XDA.
All the gameloft games: NOVA, Sandstorm, hero of sparta, dungeon hunter, etc
Fancy widget
Genie widget
Asphalt
Live wallpapers
Pre8
NFL app
Lots of stuff off xda
From a phone on an app
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That supports android development how?
From a phone on an app
boborone said:
That supports android development how?
From a phone on an app
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I'm more likely to buy an app if I can try it first, but let's just ignore the grey area in favor of your simplistic, black and white worldview. Piracy bad!
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I'm more likely to buy an app if I can try it first, but let's just ignore the grey area in favor of your simplistic, black and white worldview. Piracy bad!
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err, your logic is entirely flawed just fyi. if you knew anything about the android market, you'd know you have up to 24 hours after purchasing an app to refund and uninstall it. so you saying "I search for apps so I can try them before I purchase them" is, at best, ridiculously misinformed.
do the right thing and buy the app, if it isn't to your liking, refund it. on any other platform, where this process doesn't exist, I'd give you a break. but android specifically has this setup to avoid exactly what you're saying you do.
edit: should add that the main benefit of enabling sideloading for me is restoring apps through titanium backup after reflashing my phone.
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err, your logic is entirely flawed just fyi. if you knew anything about the android market, you'd know you have up to 24 hours after purchasing an app to refund and uninstall it. so you saying "I search for apps so I can try them before I purchase them" is, at best, ridiculously misinformed.
do the right thing and buy the app, if it isn't to your liking, refund it. on any other platform, where this process doesn't exist, I'd give you a break. but android specifically has this setup to avoid exactly what you're saying you do.
edit: should add that the main benefit of enabling sideloading for me is restoring apps through titanium backup after reflashing my phone.
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Please highlight the sentence where I said anything close to "I pirate apps." I'll wait...
Seriously, you're putting words in my mouth. But for the sake of argument, I'll add that sometimes 24 hours just isn't enough time to determine whether an expensive app like Doggcatcher (a $7 podcast app) is the best available option. I need time to see how it works in different situations, ie how well it streams while I'm at work vs my house, bluetooth vs line-out, how it reacts to different roms, etc. I was forced to take a gamble and buy the app without testing it in every situation I encounter.
If you read my actual statement rather than simply making up your own, you'd see that all I was saying is that there's a gray area. It's more complicated than piracy bad, riaa good.
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Tunee music. But I think I saw in the market now. I used it for a couple songs then thought to myself "self this can't be legal" downloading almost any song you can think of to your phone for free... "self, maybe the record companies made tunee music so they can get richer off poor people that download music for free"
So I do NOT want to be like the lady that downloaded 24 songs and now has to pay something like 1.5 million dollars now. So bye bye it went. I dont have a spare 1.5 mill
But it is a cool app. I originally had to.sideload it. Got it from tuneemusic.net Again I think I saw it.in the market.now.
EDIT:Yep.it is the market now. Just searched for it but DIDNT download
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I like that I can now go to the Science Fiction book publisher's web site direct and download the older stuff for free or get the new stuff at a discount. They even offer ARCs (advance reader copy) of books 6 months before release date. HTTP://WWW.baen.com
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I like that I can now go to the Science Fiction book publisher's web site direct and download the older stuff for free or get the new stuff at a discount. They even offer ARCs (advance reader copy) of books 6 months before release date. <url omitted>
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I wasn't aware of this site. What reader software and download format do you use?
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I wasn't aware of this site. What reader software and download format do you use?
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When I was on WM6.1 I was using .lit files and Microsoft Reader. At least it remembered what page I am on.
Now I use WordPlayer app to read ePub format. www.Baen.com remembers what books you ever got and I can always re-download those in ePub format. WordPlayer will also "talk" to Calibre Library (Free & runs on your "big" computer). Calibre will convert any format eBook to any format. Calibre will also act as a Reader on your desktop. You will eventually move all eBooks into it.
I end up using WordPlayer setup with a black screen (less power) and white letters. Dim or brightning as needed.
Understand that by giving away the first books in a series (or older books) by their top Authors, Baen is like a Drug Dealer giving you a Free Taste!
Go to WWW.droidappz.com
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I just thought I would post a review of my recently favorite app: GENSOID.
Gensoid is an Sega Genesis console emulator for Android.
I use the free version, but with the paid version you can do things like save the game state, etc. (the free version saves wherever the ROM game can save, but the paid version lets you save anywhere/anytime, which can be useful for some, but I prefer the original gameplay)
Features:
on-screen, fully-customizable controller
fast-forward option (for those slow-scrolling games)
auto-rotate capable
decent battery utilization (played 4 hours straight once on a plane, still had some battery left)
Full Sound/Mute options
Fast responding emulator
I must say I really miss playing on the Genesis, and when I saw this in the market I had to get it. So far I have played:
Phantasy Star
Phantasy Star II
Phantasy Star III
Phantasy Star IV
Sonic the Hedgehog
Master of Monsters
Herzog Zwei
ToeJam and Earl
My list to try next are:
Shadowrun
Beyond Oasis
Shining Force
Shining Force 2
Land Stalker
I have not experienced any problems with it, other than the fact that the control takes a little getting used to.
ROMs are readily available on the net. Even though all Genesis games are out of production downloading them without owning the original cart may be of questionable legality, so I won't recommend any particular method of acquiring ROMs.
Overall I give it 4.5 out of 5 stars.
Try FPse... its a playstation emulator... currently playing chrono cross and its working flawlessly. I really like the controls too.
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I will have to give that a try.
Thanks.
It runs great...Tekken 3 at 60fps on my phone...quite a sight!
Where do you get the games at?
Wrong question mate...that goes into piracy if you do not own the games to rip them so we do not talk about that stuff here.
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Where do you get the games at?
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You can see my disclaimer at the bottom:
"ROMs are readily available on the net. Even though all Genesis games are out of production downloading them without owning the original cart may be of questionable legality, so I won't recommend any particular method of acquiring ROMs"
The last thing we need is this site shut down over legal issues... no need to point to or recommend a source of ROMs, you can find them on your own (and it is pretty easy).
lol ok, talking about emulators should be piracy also, because it's the same thing. even if you own the game for a different system and make it work on a emulator is against the EULA anyways.
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lol ok, talking about emulators should be piracy also, because it's the same thing. even if you own the game for a different system and make it work on a emulator is against the EULA anyways.
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Not really...depends on the case and game plus that goes into a whole new territory.
Much different from just downloading a game I never paid for.
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lol ok, talking about emulators should be piracy also, because it's the same thing. even if you own the game for a different system and make it work on a emulator is against the EULA anyways.
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An emulator is a program. It is not written with its main purpose to be piracy. However the writer cannot be held responsible for what users do with the app.
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lol ok, talking about emulators should be piracy also, because it's the same thing. even if you own the game for a different system and make it work on a emulator is against the EULA anyways.
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I would think Android and AT&T would disagree, given the fact that they both give it the OK by letting it be in the market...
I just wanted to say that the Amazon App Store is a really nice alternative to the Android Market. With honeycomb finally get to see new apps. Angry Birds Rio is really nice, and nows its free today for the ad free version.
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I just wanted to say that the Amazon App Store is a really nice alternative to the Android Market. With honeycomb finally get to see new apps. Angry Birds Rio is really nice, and nows its free today for the ad free version.
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Can someone explain to me the logic in having another place to get apps outside of the Google Market that benefits consumers? So I get Angry Birds Rio because it is exclusive however, if I remove the Amazon market app it stops working. Why? And all the other apps I checked are already available in the Google Market. So why do I need to use the Amazon Appstore other than exclusive content which in my opinion if fragmenting the available apps?
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Can someone explain to me the logic in having another place to get apps outside of the Google Market that benefits consumers? So I get Angry Birds Rio because it is exclusive however, if I remove the Amazon market app it stops working. Why? And all the other apps I checked are already available in the Google Market. So why do I need to use the Amazon Appstore other than exclusive content which in my opinion if fragmenting the available apps?
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Different features in the actual marketplace; different payment processor (Amazon, which I use extensively, has all my payment information but I do not use Google Checkout); different prices and yes, a different selection. Amazon and other app stores can offer additional features to developers like the DRM you are complaining about which will lead to fragmentation that may or may not be a good thing (time will tell). Who knows, maybe there will be a prime-esque subscription service at some point. Best Buy may sell the same games as Gamestop, but I'm glad I have the choice to never shop at the latter.
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Different features in the actual marketplace; different payment processor (Amazon, which I use extensively, has all my payment information but I do not use Google Checkout); different prices and yes, a different selection. Amazon and other app stores can offer additional features to developers like the DRM you are complaining about which will lead to fragmentation that may or may not be a good thing (time will tell). Who knows, maybe there will be a prime-esque subscription service at some point. Best Buy may sell the same games as Gamestop, but I'm glad I have the choice to never shop at the latter.
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I am all about choice but having multiple places to search is not a positive feature in my opinion. Will we have 10 other app stores pop up next week? Not very appealing in my opinion.
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Can someone explain to me the logic in having another place to get apps outside of the Google Market that benefits consumers? So I get Angry Birds Rio because it is exclusive however, if I remove the Amazon market app it stops working. Why? And all the other apps I checked are already available in the Google Market. So why do I need to use the Amazon Appstore other than exclusive content which in my opinion if fragmenting the available apps?
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Well I just like the ability to see all the new released apps. In Google's market for the Xoom all you can see is the featured and top apps.
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I am all about choice but having multiple places to search is not a positive feature in my opinion. Will we have 10 other app stores pop up next week? Not very appealing in my opinion.
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I can see you concern but I do not see how that is any different from other shopping experiences. I prefer Amazon's search/sorting capabilities from my brief look earlier. I'm sure eventually there will be apps to search any and all available app stores.
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Well I just like the ability to see all the new released apps. In Google's market for the Xoom all you can see is the featured and top apps.
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That is an issue that Google can resolve. You get 10 other companies providing an app store, how is that helping? You then have to do the same search 10 times.
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That is an issue that Google can resolve. You get 10 other companies providing an app store, how is that helping? You then have to do the same search 10 times.
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I see your point. I agree I would prefer one place to get my apps. But right now when I just go browsing for apps amazon is alot easier.
This has to be one of the biggest blunders I have ever seen with Android yet. Most of the Amazon market is filled with apps that are already available in the Google Market. The only app I have seen so far that is not available is Angry Birds Rio. And if you do not install or have removed the Amazon appstore app, you cannot even run it. Does that sound like the same issue with DRM protected music?
And what allows Amazon to create their own app store? Is it easy for 20, 30, 100 others to start their own store with mostly the same apps with their own rules? This does not look good. Who wants to search 100 stores for apps to find what they are looking for and on top of that, have different rules. This has to be the most retarded thing I have ever seen since owning an Android device and is doomed for failure.
If you don't like it, don't use it. Let market forces determine things. If 10 app stores popped out tomorrow I guarantee most would not succeed. As it is there are several alternative app stores for android already, and they have not caused any problems. Competition is ALLWAYS a good thing, even for our beloved google. Same reason I am happy that apple is constantly pushing on android and vice-versa. Competition is the underlying rationale for using Android for me.
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This has to be one of the biggest blunders I have ever seen with Android yet. Most of the Amazon market is filled with apps that are already available in the Google Market. The only app I have seen so far that is not available is Angry Birds Rio. And if you do not install or have removed the Amazon appstore app, you cannot even run it. Does that sound like the same issue with DRM protected music?
And what allows Amazon to create their own app store? Is it easy for 20, 30, 100 others to start their own store with mostly the same apps with their own rules? This does not look good. Who wants to search 100 stores for apps to find what they are looking for and on top of that, have different rules. This has to be the most retarded thing I have ever seen since owning an Android device and is doomed for failure.
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So on your PC, you would rather have one single source for all your software? You don't comparison shop, buy from different vendors, directly from developers? The app concept and having it all in one place is a convenience, thats it. Its like saying you should not open up a Target because your town already has a Wall-Mart or something...
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So on your PC, you would rather have one single source for all your software? You don't comparison shop, buy from different vendors, directly from developers? The app concept and having it all in one place is a convenience, thats it. Its like saying you should not open up a Target because your town already has a Wall-Mart or something...
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This is not my PC. You go to Amazon store and you see the same apps available in the Google Market. You think the average consumer wants to search multiple markets for an app? I know I don't. And the same app works from Google market and not from another app store because their appstore app is not installed? You think this is a good user experience? I don't. Do not compare to PC experience because the Android tablet experience is based on competition from Apple iPad not from a PC experience. This will be a disaster in a year from now where iPad users can search one location for all their app needs and Android tablet users will need to search 100+ for theirs. There is no reason why these apps cannot be in one location.
keitht said:
There is no reason why these apps cannot be in one location.
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But there is a reason... different terms and features for developers.
sangreal06 said:
But there is a reason... different terms and features for developers.
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And what specifically are those?
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This is not my PC. You go to Amazon store and you see the same apps available in the Google Market. You think the average consumer wants to search multiple markets for an app? I know I don't. And the same app works from Google market and not from another app store because their appstore app is not installed? You think this is a good user experience? I don't. Do not compare to PC experience because the Android tablet experience is based on competition from Apple iPad not from a PC experience. This will be a disaster in a year from now where iPad users can search one location for all their app needs and Android tablet users will need to search 100+ for theirs. There is no reason why these apps cannot be in one location.
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haha i don't want to get a back and forth going here, but really, just don't use the amazon app store and all will be ok. not to overblow the analogy, but two supermarkets usually carry 99% of the same things, doesn't mean you should get rid of one or preclude new ones from opening up.
i realize that apple people have their walled garden with their false sense of security and limited options, but take music purchases as an example: i can either say, buy all my music from iTunes like most Apple people do, or i can do what i do, which is source it from eMusic, Amazon MP3, directly from the artists, etc, all of which i am able to do from both my galaxy s or my xoom, and all of which i am able to do for less money than if i just bought everything from iTunes. oh and since the artists usually get a better deal if i avoid the iTunes store i know more of my money is going directly to them. same thing applies to app stores. its not really all that complicated, i mean, how lazy have we gotten if we can't be bothered to look for things on more than one app store?
as far as the drm deal where apps won't work without amazon appstore, i am not crazy about it, and if that is the case, i would definitely think twice before buying anything from them. maybe some content providers will insist on using amazon's system, but if the terms are that restrictive i'll just take my money elsewhere.
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haha i don't want to get a back and forth going here, but really, just don't use the amazon app store and all will be ok. not to overblow the analogy, but two supermarkets usually carry 99% of the same things, doesn't mean you should get rid of one or preclude new ones from opening up.
i realize that apple people have their walled garden with their false sense of security and limited options, but take music purchases as an example: i can either say, buy all my music from iTunes like most Apple people do, or i can do what i do, which is source it from eMusic, Amazon MP3, directly from the artists, etc, all of which i am able to do from both my galaxy s or my xoom, and all of which i am able to do for less money than if i just bought everything from iTunes. oh and since the artists usually get a better deal if i avoid the iTunes store i know more of my money is going directly to them. same thing applies to app stores. its not really all that complicated, i mean, how lazy have we gotten if we can't be bothered to look for things on more than one app store?
as far as the drm deal where apps won't work without amazon appstore, i am not crazy about it, and if that is the case, i would definitely think twice before buying anything from them. maybe some content providers will insist on using amazon's system, but if the terms are that restrictive i'll just take my money elsewhere.
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Listen, I do not want back and forth either. I want to understand the reasoning behind having another place to get apps. If there is a restriction or process that does not work posting the same app to the Google market, what is it? Why is another market or appstore needed other than money to Amazon? I don't get it.
Why would developers choose to use the Amazon store over the Google Market? Can someone answer that please with specifics? Is this a takeover of the Google market?
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Why would developers choose to use the Amazon store over the Google Market? Can someone answer that please with specifics?
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The only reason i could think of would be different methods of payment. What forms of payments do they both use? Actually another reason could be the amazon one may also allow "banned" software, as the market is run by google.
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Why would developers choose to use the Amazon store over the Google Market? Can someone answer that please with specifics? Is this a takeover of the Google market?
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Right now? I do not know as I am not familiar with the policies of them both. However, as we have seen with the Apple App Store there have been many rules which have upset developers over time. Some of those are directly tied to how much money a developer can make off their app. For example, if Google were to mandate something similar to Apple's new subscription model I imagine many developers would like an alternative.
From a user perspective, having competing promotions like Amazon's free paid-app every day is nice
I agree that it can be a hassle to look for things in different stores but it is for the best. Its the universal rule of conservation if you will. The Amazon Appstore with bring competition to Google forcing google to step up its game if does not want to loose customers. For example Amazon will have a free paid app per day, maybe that will move google to do the same or top that. Amazon will test each app first to make sure it is not malicious and even though it will never be perfect maybe that will move google to do something similar. Amazon has worked out deals with developers in regards to the checkout process which may lead some developers that before only sold their apps from their own website to put them in the appstore (Gameloft). Also this has led some developers to drop their prices at the Amazon Appstore.
I understand not everyone thinks this is for the best or that its too much of a hassle but when you think of things from a perspective of growth and innovation it seems to be good.
In regards to the DRM content it is one of those things that are just tough to deal with sure we can try to avoid everything that has DRM but that is why Netflix and Hulu have not been supported thus far.
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Hi Folks
Because I am a game developer, I would be highly interested in user opinions about Global highscore and/or Social Features in Mobile Games.
What do you think of such features? Do you like them or do you hate them - or what do you like/hate in detail.
Personally I don't like any forced login screens - the user should always have the option to just ignore that features.
I also don't like to add special permissions - like access to contacts. Sure, it is needed to easily find friends in a social manner but many users don't like such permissions.
Sadly, there is no way to publish an app on android with "optional" permissions .. would be a nice request feature
What's your opinion about such services? I would love to hear some opinions from players.
I'm not gonna answer the poll, simply because it doesn't have my preferred option. I'm closest to not playing a game if it has a global high score plugin, but only if I'm forced to use it. Some games have tried to get me to use Feint, but they've all just carried on regardless if I don't want to use it, which is fine by me.
As for the global high scores, I think they're a joke. They normally only reflect how easily the game can be hacked and not how good people are at it.
Other than that, in a perfect world I like the idea and would happily join in.
Thx for your post - I wanted to add such a poll-option but the text was too long
I remember the game fruit ninja which was really annoying because openfeint was often popping in .. (that's why I made Shape Masher and also why I dont want to add openfeint)
I would like to have a Highscore System which only shows the score of the last month or so .. that should eliminate most of the cheated scores - but I think that would be hard to do with existing score services.
What about Archievements?
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Thx for your post - I wanted to add such a poll-option but the text was too long
I remember the game fruit ninja which was really annoying because openfeint was often popping in .. (that's why I made Shape Masher and also why I dont want to add openfeint)
I would like to have a Highscore System which only shows the score of the last month or so .. that should eliminate most of the cheated scores - but I think that would be hard to do with existing score services.
What about Archievements?
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I like achievements as they give you something personal to aim for, and they're usually things you can do without giving up your soul.
How about a high score table that you can filter to only show scores of people in your contact list?
Nice idea - but that would need a permission to read the phone contacts and I am pretty sure, many users don't like that
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Nice idea - but that would need a permission to read the phone contacts and I am pretty sure, many users don't like that
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Of course, but if it's explained then most cynics would understand. As long as you don't need permission to send SMS and make phone calls
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Of course, but if it's explained then most cynics would understand. As long as you don't need permission to send SMS and make phone calls
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So that cracked copy of Tiger Woods PGA tour 2011 I downloaded doesn't really need to call China twice a day??
I personally do get pissed off whenever feint shows up. It shouldn't be forced on us like f#cking Microsoft Live or something.
I don't like it. I play mobile games to kill time not compete with other people. Imo these services are just laying the groundwork for spyware under the guise of "social networking" if you do there should be 2 versions of the software one for those who want it and one for those who do not
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maintaining 2 version + maybe 2x adfree versions sounds not very good to me ..
Maybe one should also mention, that it is defintily good for the developer to have such "sharing features" - to bring the app to more people. I am quite shure, that is the main reasen, that those services exist and also why the all known facebook games are such popular.