As a root user I know we have gained Multi touch in the web browser, and recently I learned/made sense that the Hero's on scnree QWERY works a world of a lot better BECAUSE OF ITS MULTITOUCH!
WHY HASNT ANYONE ADDED MULTI TOUCH TO THE WITH GOOGLE BRANDED PHONES!?
I dont believe its been done yet, and I think if it is done I will quit neglecting the Sapphire.
What do you think?
Icebergxx said:
As a root user I know we have gained Multi touch in the web browser, and recently I learned/made sense that the Hero's on scnree QWERY works a world of a lot better BECAUSE OF ITS MULTITOUCH!
WHY HASNT ANYONE ADDED MULTI TOUCH TO THE WITH GOOGLE BRANDED PHONES!?
I dont believe its been done yet, and I think if it is done I will quit neglecting the Sapphire.
What do you think?
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because htc made their own UI and htv sense for the hero.
in speculation..the 2.0 update being developed by google might include multitouch.
btw this thread belong in Q&A
Icebergxx said:
As a root user I know we have gained Multi touch in the web browser, and recently I learned/made sense that the Hero's on scnree QWERY works a world of a lot better BECAUSE OF ITS MULTITOUCH!
WHY HASNT ANYONE ADDED MULTI TOUCH TO THE WITH GOOGLE BRANDED PHONES!?
I dont believe its been done yet, and I think if it is done I will quit neglecting the Sapphire.
What do you think?
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Because Apple asked Google not to. So Google wanting to play it nice, didn't add Multitouch.
Who really cares? Multitouch adds very little to the end experience imo. If anything, I have found the +- buttons on the browser to be easier to use than multitouch afaik. Sure, the multitouch gallery is nice...but again it's not that big of a deal.
It in no way makes or breaks the phone...and I have an iPhone too btw.
Edit: The HTC on screen qwerty is better because it has much better spell checking and prediction than the stock keyboard. It has nothing to do with multitouch. If you're interested in checking it out, you should put one of the many Hero builds onto your phone.
Well to be honest I had in mind my disapproval of the Sapphire because I'm more of a texting person and because it lacks multi touch when its in QWERY its a lot slower and more difficult to use since it can't trace all the input.
So my whole post about multi touch on the Goggle Key board for more so directed for development/usability I know about Google and Apples relation, well I suppose just the just of it and not wanting multi touch and all. But I think since we use multi touch on the browser why not create it for the onscreen keyboard?
I personally don't think much of multi touch either I just believe that if it were done my appeal and many other people would enjoy their sapphire more and find it easier to adapt without its physical QWERY.
Is the Hero keyboard the same as the HTC_IME or "Touch" keyboard w/o multi touch?
it's a slightly updated version
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hey, i know theres a way to put it on the kaiser already. any way on putting it on the x1?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396782
Would be cool.
I want to install OS X too!
That would be pretty cool to see if it could be done
Im also interested in android for the x1, but just not yet. Dont really think its mature enough yet ( the OS )
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at the current point of time i dont see a reason to use android either...
software for that plattform is still very very limited compared to WinMo
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I want to install OS X too!
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yeah, I want to install OS2 warp!
seriously... it's a brand new device, don't start to bother with impossible requests
toxical said:
at the current point of time i dont see a reason to use android either...
software for that plattform is still very very limited compared to WinMo
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Learn some Java, write your own games and programs, and change the OS however you like. Maybe that's a reason?
I must say after playing with a G1 for a couple weeks now, getting gmail/contacts/calendar sync straight out of the box is really quite nice, and the interface is a real breath of fresh air for high-end devices.
However Android is still missing some key features (that I personally need) -- and not just whimsical "Hello world!" apps -- so like most other people I'll be waiting a few more software revisions/releases before I jump ship. But I am looking forward to it!
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Learn some Java, write your own games and programs, and change the OS however you like. Maybe that's a reason?
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yeah, like i have unlimited free time My phone has to work and offer good features/software..i am sure android will be great, its just not there yet.
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yeah, I want to install OS2 warp!
seriously... it's a brand new device, don't start to bother with impossible requests
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i dont see why its an impossible request... its been done to two htc phones already just waiting on a port to the x1..
Sony Ericsson Indonesia said:
i dont see why its an impossible request... its been done to two htc phones already just waiting on a port to the x1..
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Well I think it's technically impossible until some developers get their hands on a X1 (or two), and right now I don't think any of them have any. No doubt a call for donations will be due for such a tall order.
xperia
How do you install Iphone OS on the xperia. It will be so cool. The xperia is way too slow and rough compared to the iphone 3g. Its like comparing a bus with a Ferrari. The Ferrari being the iphone.
greatestkelvin said:
How do you install Iphone OS on the xperia. It will be so cool. The xperia is way too slow and rough compared to the iphone 3g. Its like comparing a bus with a Ferrari. The Ferrari being the iphone.
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Hope for your sake you're just kidding
Also, you can carry a lot of useful things on a bus. With a Ferrari, it's just you and maybe one passenger.
You can already install a gimped version of Android on most WM phones..in fact it was possible several months ago. Someone pieced together a beta build using the Android-SDK. You install it in windows mobile and then choose to run it over WM. It isn't worth it though...not until someone takes the source and codes something specific to the X1 and even then it probably won't be great since the X1 can't do Multi-Touch like the OS is supposedly intended for either.
Just like others have said, the OS is still in rough shape. It would need quite a bit of work to get it going properly on an X1 and even then you would be limited.. However given a recent "leak" of info from MS it seem we should be expecting a WM6.5 upgrade in the comming months before WM7's launch that will give a better experience to users with touch screen phones. This likely means a better looking layout that is easier to navigate by finger.
I'm waiting for my X1. Then I'm gonna try to get Android 2 work.
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It isn't worth it though...not until someone takes the source and codes something specific to the X1 and even then it probably won't be great since the X1 can't do Multi-Touch like the OS is supposedly intended for either.
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Wouldn't "multi-touch" be an OS feature and not a hardware one?
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I'm waiting for my X1. Then I'm gonna try to get Android 2 work.
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Whoo!! i bow down to you hope ur x1 comes soon.. i bought mine to mess around with...
well this is a cool thing, but just for playing around, you cant work on a day to day base with that yet i bet.
Are there even drivers for the SD Card, Bluetooth, GPS, Camera and all that stuff done yet for other HTC phones running Android? Without all of that working its quite useless, on the other hand its important that some people get into it but as a enduser i wouldnt put any hopes in that.
well from what i understand the way you put android on htc devices it runs ontop of winmo so you can play around with it and when ur bored or whatever you can just switch back to windows mobile instead of android.. isnt a bad thing to try out imho..
right now im semi bored and trying out the polaris/kaiser/vouge files... the polaris one doesnt work.. gonna try others..
Both actually. The OS has to have support for it, but the screen needs to be able to register more than 1 simultaneous touch. You could technically use a few different types of screens for Multi-Touch, but most used today (Resistive) aren't that great and won't work as well when processing multiple inputs. The iphone, G1 use Capacitive touch screen thats offer a high level clarity and make recognition for a multi-touch enviroment a lot better.
The basic differenence recognition. Resistive, such as that used in most HTC devices (including the X1) has 2 layers with a gap inbetween and works off pressure. When you press on the screen, the "gap" shortends and the screen below pinpoints the pressed area from that, which isn't that great if you touch multiple locations the ability for the lower screen to recognize the location of the press will diminish because not only does the gap shorten there, but it also shorten in the distance between the to points. Other ways are to use tons of little cameras around screen, like the MS Surface, but that isn't that great either, specifically on a smaller screen size.
I want to know if its possible to fix the god awful software keyboard. The thing just plain sucks you can not type fast on it without it skipping letters or not picking up correct keys typed. This might have a lot to do with the muti touch not being fully implemented but if it can ripped from hero roms and implemented into the browser why not the keyboard? I currently own a G1 and a Mytouch and using the Mytouch is just a terrible experience. Now I want to know if a Dev would want to look into this because its something that needs serious fixing and would be an amazing fix for the Mytouch and future keyboard-less android phones.
Sorry had to vent a little :]
Thanks!
Are you talking about the Android or HTC IME? If the android try the HTC_IME.
You talking about the keyboard from the hero builds? If so that still does not cut it.
I want to get a G1, then root it so that i can use sense and apps2sd.I know its not the best looking phone but its not all bad, i like the hardware keyboard.Right now i have a samsung instinct(sprint) so im used to on-screen keyboards, but this phone has given me headaches and whatnot..i want to know what you guys think is the best thing to get.
It's just personal prefrence really. The hardware keyboard is the only thing the G1 has over any other android phone out at the moment, the MyTouch/Magic/Sapphire/Ion is the same spec as the G1, just no keyboard. Personally I'd go for the Hero, because I don't use the hardware keybaord much (and HTC IME is awesome!) and it also has 288mb RAM to compared to 192 than all other android phones have (appart from the 32A Magic). Can't really comment on the Cliq, don't really know anything about it.
As far as what's out now and what's comming out in the near future, I'd definately go with the Hero, I remember reading on phandroid that T-Mobile should be getting one and I'm crossing my fingers for that. I've been playing with my G1 for quite a few months now, I'm ready for something new that will likely be able to get android 2.0 and show off some more great things that can be done with the OS
well if i had a choice i would like the cliq just because of the key board.but if i didn't want a keyboard, it would be hero for sure .but i need a keyboard ,i use it all the time ! once the click comes out i think it will have a good strong following !
we don't know of the cliq is rootable yet, and remember were talking about motorola here. Id wait a few months and see where it goes first as far as quality and development. I have both the MT3G and the G1. I like the touch better just because its thinner and nicer looking. It took about a week to get used to the virtual keyboard but like any new phone you get used to it the more you use it. As far as performance its about the same, since both are running the same roms and are set up identical. I haven't used my G1 since to be honest, I really like the MT3G. I don't know much about the hero to comment. If you want a keyboard then id just wait because there are more android phones about to be released real soon.
Did you guys check the HTC site lately?
They have released the specs of HTC Touch HD2
http://www.htc.com/www/product/hd2/specification.html
which seem pretty impressive...
I for one, will make the change to Snapdragon (MUAHAHAHA)...what about you guys?
What's your take on this?
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Looks really good. The problem may be wm6.5. Hopefully it is going to come with a guaranted upgrade to wm7.
X3 of course has a chance against it imo. Android is improving consequently and the phone will be build directly by SE (or not?). Specs are fantastic.
Well, they still have a chance for one simple reason - the HD2 doesn't have a HW keyboard. That aside the HD2 owns them in every aspect.
I'm going for the first WM6.5 based HTC phone which has both keyboard and Snapdragon - it'll be a blast!
its the hw keyboard that will help the x2 to sale, also it looks a lot better than the current snapdragon devices (htc hd2 and toshiba tg01)
i am keeping ma X1 till new device pup up with:
hw keyboard+snapdragon or tegra+4 way direction pad(why the hell there are taking out 4 way directonpad from new devices?)+5 mpx or more and at least 1500 mAh battery.
i will pass leo too
All that processing power and specs mean nothing without a d-pad and a hw keyboard. If they add those to the Leo, it would be the best device in history, if not, just another phone with good specs, but bad design.
People need good control over their devices in order to do a good job at anything. Hw keyboard and a d-pad are a must.
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All that processing power and specs mean nothing without a d-pad and a hw keyboard. If they add those to the Leo, it would be the best device in history, if not, just another phone with good specs, but bad design.
People need good control over their devices in order to do a good job at anything. Hw keyboard and a d-pad are a must.
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That was the reason why X1 was my choice,
now X2 looks like the only one retaining all those necessary things.
So in the end I rather forget Snapdragon and have usable device,
than all-touch screen beast which would drive me crazy.
I really say - onscreen keyboard is my "hate".
Don't imagine any serious writing with it.
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That was the reason why X1 was my choice,
now X2 looks like the only one retaining all those necessary things.
So in the end I rather forget Snapdragon and have usable device,
than all-touch screen beast which would drive me crazy.
I really say - onscreen keyboard is my "hate".
Don't imagine any serious writing with it.
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I agree, I'm ready to give up my Omnia and get a phone w/ a real sliding KB. Unfortunately, there aren't many that are ATT 3G! I've even thought of the Nokia N97!!! shudder...
Yes, HD2 owns over x2, x3 and even x4 and x5. why??? XDA Support, that's why.
but not having a hardware keyboard is indeed a miss, since i got used to the kb of tp2 wich feels so much better and so is making typing fun again..... but....
I'll wait for tp3, wich hopefully comes with same specs as HD2, maybe with only 4"screen, whatever.
I doubt that wm7 will be out untill q4 next year
judging how many of the devices from last year got
wm6.5 updates I would not hold my breath for a wm7 update
for any wm6.5 device you buy now
doministry said:
That was the reason why X1 was my choice,
now X2 looks like the only one retaining all those necessary things.
So in the end I rather forget Snapdragon and have usable device,
than all-touch screen beast which would drive me crazy.
I really say - onscreen keyboard is my "hate".
Don't imagine any serious writing with it.
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I agree with the last two paragraphs, but what's the point of buying the same device again? X2 has no improvements + it is ... ugly!
Your second paragraph is spot on. I already have a usable device - X1. i won't upgrade until a similar product with better and up-to-date hardware comes out. X2 is not that product IMHO, so I'll wait for Leo Pro or TP3 lolz.
Indeed....the X1 was my choice over the HD because it had a keyboard and over TP2 because it looked better in my opinion.
On the other hand I sorta have stopped typing much on my X1 (Maybe because of X1's poor quality keyboard. I remember typing WAY faster on my old P1i) and this is why I'd be tempted to go towards the HD2. I can just imagine watching normal xvids with no skips on that beautiful 4.3" screen...
unfortunately.. X1 was my reason why i left for touch hd.
my h/w keyboard had double tapping... no one at service centre cares .. etc etc etc..
can someone give me a summary what the X2 is all about?
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I agree with the last two paragraphs, but what's the point of buying the same device again? X2 has no improvements + it is ... ugly!
Your second paragraph is spot on. I already have a usable device - X1. i won't upgrade until a similar product with better and up-to-date hardware comes out. X2 is not that product IMHO, so I'll wait for Leo Pro or TP3 lolz.
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i too agree. no point in upgrading because its not really an upgrade other than having a slightly bigger screen
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I agree with the last two paragraphs, but what's the point of buying the same device again? X2 has no improvements + it is ... ugly!
Your second paragraph is spot on. I already have a usable device - X1. i won't upgrade until a similar product with better and up-to-date hardware comes out. X2 is not that product IMHO, so I'll wait for Leo Pro or TP3 lolz.
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Sure, everyones choice.
I will be really happy with even better keyb, much better camera,
WM 6.5 and improved UI/Panels.
These things are not minor for me....
And that also matters - I find X2 better looking than X1.....
Finally still nothing on market what would really convince me!
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I agree with the last two paragraphs, but what's the point of buying the same device again? X2 has no improvements + it is ... ugly!
Your second paragraph is spot on. I already have a usable device - X1. i won't upgrade until a similar product with better and up-to-date hardware comes out. X2 is not that product IMHO, so I'll wait for Leo Pro or TP3 lolz.
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its only worth getting the x2 if i can get it as a free replacement as its got the same or better hardware so there is no lose in getting a x2.
but u are right in the sense that its not worth buying if u own a x1.
It's screen so big..
How to use without d-pad huh? Many games need it!
foxcheng said:
It's screen so big..
How to use without d-pad huh? Many games need it!
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i have noticed that the newer games from spb and astraware are more touchscreen friendly games (iphone like games) and i think most phone companies see that as the future and dont think many of the newer games will be made with stylus or dpad in mind.
but it does not help with games already out that need the dpad.
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i have noticed that the newer games from spb and astraware are more touchscreen friendly games (iphone like games) and i think most phone companies see that as the future and dont think many of the newer games will be made with stylus or dpad in mind.
but it does not help with games already out that need the dpad.
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I have noticed that as well and it is pathetic. Everyone knows that mobile gaming without a d-pad is impossible and annoying at best. You either need to tilt you head along with the phone or have half the screen obscured by controls and your fingers.
Let's hope they will come to their senses...
I will never buy a phone without a hw keyboard or wiothout a d-pad...
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All that processing power and specs mean nothing without a d-pad and a hw keyboard. If they add those to the Leo, it would be the best device in history, if not, just another phone with good specs, but bad design.
People need good control over their devices in order to do a good job at anything. Hw keyboard and a d-pad are a must.
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Personal opinion. I have both on the X1 and use neither.
For the minority who need a keyboard then sure, the X2 might do alright particularly for business users. but would business users, like me, need a d-pad? Especially for gaming? I doubt it.
I have a question, a buddy of mine has the Xperia x10, and to my view, it has a beautiful UI, does anyone know:
1. If i can install it on my HD2 running android 2.2 ?
2. If so, where can it be found ?
3. If not, is there anyone that have considered making a theme to emulate the Interface?
If there are anyone doing anything in this line, please lemme know.
Thanx
Ive just had a quick look on youtube at the x10 and It doesnt have any custom UI it has standard Android interface?
Apologies, perhaps i misstated the question, never the less, looking at the video :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m19Lu-JUW1Q
It has some clear differences from what i'm running, tho similar is some ways-
For example:
Up-scrolling Arc Unlock,
Up-scrolling Drawer,
Nice contact scrolling
However i guess the rest is just the smoothed over blue theme, but the differences are nice, i guess it's the "sense" for SonyEricsson
you could say that but then they pretty much redisgned Android almost completly,Android itself only runs in the background.The only way we can do it is by a port and then change the Kernel etc..... to make it compatible with HD2,it is possible,just need some Dev to do it
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Ive just had a quick look on youtube at the x10 and It doesnt have any custom UI it has standard Android interface?
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The default interface is pretty different, and it is quite nice looking. Obviously, with it being Android you can just clear the default setting for the launcher and press the home button to run a different one, so that's probably what you saw on YouTube.
I've got a mate with an SE X10 and he hates Timescape & Mediascape. He says the SE software is far too embedded into the OS for it to be a purely native Android device. Thats also the reason why they had to wait for months and months (after promises from Sony) for Android 2.1.
If it were possible, I'd have a play with it, but from what I've heard I don't expect this to be done. Without the source code there's no way to know how it plugs into the existing OS. It's not just an apk that runs on top of it.
Thats rather unfortunate that the have embedded it so deeply, does your mate not like the timescape\mediascape purely because its embedded so deeply or does he have other issues aswell?
Whatever the case may be, we can agree that it's a great looking interface, and i for one wouldn't mind running it on my HD2, especially since we have the option of running anything on it.
Unfortunately I have NO dev skills of any sort- else i'd be on this like a fat kid on a cupcake, I hope a dev sees the thread and go: "Hey, that looks like an ambitious and worthwhile project to undertake"
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Thats rather unfortunate that the have embedded it so deeply, does your mate not like the timescape\mediascape purely because its embedded so deeply or does he have other issues aswell?
Whatever the case may be, we can agree that it's a great looking interface, and i for one wouldn't mind running it on my HD2, especially since we have the option of running anything on it.
Unfortunately I have NO dev skills of any sort- else i'd be on this like a fat kid on a cupcake, I hope a dev sees the thread and go: "Hey, that looks like an ambitious and worthwhile project to undertake"
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My mate's just not impressed with the functionality. He's found market apps/widgets that do just as much and more, and he has more control over them. It does look nice though, and I think it has promise but would need to be developed further to get the best out of it.
Before the HD2 i owned a Xperia x10.
It does have a custom interface, the Timescape, but you do not want to use it trust me. Back in the day it was laggy like hell, do not know about it now.
And i think that is just like the htc sense with roots deep in the android system and can not be extracted.