I want to know if its possible to fix the god awful software keyboard. The thing just plain sucks you can not type fast on it without it skipping letters or not picking up correct keys typed. This might have a lot to do with the muti touch not being fully implemented but if it can ripped from hero roms and implemented into the browser why not the keyboard? I currently own a G1 and a Mytouch and using the Mytouch is just a terrible experience. Now I want to know if a Dev would want to look into this because its something that needs serious fixing and would be an amazing fix for the Mytouch and future keyboard-less android phones.
Sorry had to vent a little :]
Thanks!
Are you talking about the Android or HTC IME? If the android try the HTC_IME.
You talking about the keyboard from the hero builds? If so that still does not cut it.
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As a root user I know we have gained Multi touch in the web browser, and recently I learned/made sense that the Hero's on scnree QWERY works a world of a lot better BECAUSE OF ITS MULTITOUCH!
WHY HASNT ANYONE ADDED MULTI TOUCH TO THE WITH GOOGLE BRANDED PHONES!?
I dont believe its been done yet, and I think if it is done I will quit neglecting the Sapphire.
What do you think?
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As a root user I know we have gained Multi touch in the web browser, and recently I learned/made sense that the Hero's on scnree QWERY works a world of a lot better BECAUSE OF ITS MULTITOUCH!
WHY HASNT ANYONE ADDED MULTI TOUCH TO THE WITH GOOGLE BRANDED PHONES!?
I dont believe its been done yet, and I think if it is done I will quit neglecting the Sapphire.
What do you think?
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because htc made their own UI and htv sense for the hero.
in speculation..the 2.0 update being developed by google might include multitouch.
btw this thread belong in Q&A
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As a root user I know we have gained Multi touch in the web browser, and recently I learned/made sense that the Hero's on scnree QWERY works a world of a lot better BECAUSE OF ITS MULTITOUCH!
WHY HASNT ANYONE ADDED MULTI TOUCH TO THE WITH GOOGLE BRANDED PHONES!?
I dont believe its been done yet, and I think if it is done I will quit neglecting the Sapphire.
What do you think?
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Because Apple asked Google not to. So Google wanting to play it nice, didn't add Multitouch.
Who really cares? Multitouch adds very little to the end experience imo. If anything, I have found the +- buttons on the browser to be easier to use than multitouch afaik. Sure, the multitouch gallery is nice...but again it's not that big of a deal.
It in no way makes or breaks the phone...and I have an iPhone too btw.
Edit: The HTC on screen qwerty is better because it has much better spell checking and prediction than the stock keyboard. It has nothing to do with multitouch. If you're interested in checking it out, you should put one of the many Hero builds onto your phone.
Well to be honest I had in mind my disapproval of the Sapphire because I'm more of a texting person and because it lacks multi touch when its in QWERY its a lot slower and more difficult to use since it can't trace all the input.
So my whole post about multi touch on the Goggle Key board for more so directed for development/usability I know about Google and Apples relation, well I suppose just the just of it and not wanting multi touch and all. But I think since we use multi touch on the browser why not create it for the onscreen keyboard?
I personally don't think much of multi touch either I just believe that if it were done my appeal and many other people would enjoy their sapphire more and find it easier to adapt without its physical QWERY.
Is the Hero keyboard the same as the HTC_IME or "Touch" keyboard w/o multi touch?
it's a slightly updated version
Is it worth me taking a new dream from Tmobile UK and rooting it to get a Hero ROM so I can have the new UI ??
Are there any problems with the ROM ?? that would stop it being used day to day ? also is it worth trading googlemail push for Microsoft Active Sync for Exchange which I used before on my WM device. ??
Hero is a port from a device with higher specs so to run on a g1, there will be a noticeble inherit slowness. I believe you will still have gmail on a hero rom though. For day to day use I would use a cyanogen rom. If you do want to run hero, you will need to partion your sd card into 3 partions, hero also has problems missing text, no bluetooth and no led notiifacations
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Sounds pretty much like its not worth it then shame cause i love the dream QWERTy keyboard trying to type emails with on screen keyboard is a nightmare.
are there any screen shots of this ROM you mentioned ? What is good about this ROM ?
I just got the Dream yesterday it was supposed to be a Hero but they sent the wrong phone and offered me line rental discount if i kept it.
I just not sure if I should send it back and get hero.
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Sounds pretty much like its not worth it then shame cause i love the dream QWERTy keyboard trying to type emails with on screen keyboard is a nightmare.
are there any screen shots of this ROM you mentioned ? What is good about this ROM ?
I just got the Dream yesterday it was supposed to be a Hero but they sent the wrong phone and offered me line rental discount if i kept it.
I just not sure if I should send it back and get hero.
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it depends on how much you want the physical keyboard. personally i wouldn't be able to give it up. the cyanogen rom he mention looks like a stock rom unless you theme. sorry don't know where i can get stock screen shot right now. you can probably google it though.
Go over the devolpment sub-forum and go into cyanogenmod thread, you can see screnshots there, go witht the stable version which is 4.04, basiclly the feel and look of a stock rom but optimize for performance, it is the top rom for speed and stabilty at the moment. You can also download the cm updater from the market to stay on top of updates and a easy way to flash for now on. But make sure you make a nandroid backup for a just in case cause every once in a while you can get a bad download. Highly suggest also flashing cyanogen's pimped out recovery 1.4
Thanks for the info I might just hold off for a while and see how I go with stock ROM although I suspect I need to do something cause i am struggling to find any widgets that I want to use on the phone as standard
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Thanks for the info I might just hold off for a while and see how I go with stock ROM although I suspect I need to do something cause i am struggling to find any widgets that I want to use on the phone as standard
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im pretty sure you could find a g1/dream on ebay or somewhere fairly cheap so if you can i would get the hero and have the g1 i mean i am buying a practically brand new g1 from a friend that is rooted with the 1.33.2005 spl for $100 maybe i just got really lucky.
You got lucky, I just got mine from t-mobile for 150 with a new 2 year contract, so hopefully my g1 won't be extremely out of date and unsupported by then. At least by then there should be a new android phone with a snapdragon or tegra processor with 500mb ram and a pyshical keyboard which will blow away the g1 and even hero. Who knows by then we might have full graphic support with some cool ass games. Just hope we can get some better battery life by then
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Thanks for the info I might just hold off for a while and see how I go with stock ROM although I suspect I need to do something cause i am struggling to find any widgets that I want to use on the phone as standard
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actually gridlock is pretty much wrong.
bluetooth doesnt work but i dont need it so i can live without it. LEDs dont fully work. it shines green whenever i get something new,but it doesnt blink.
missing text only exist is some hero roms... in JACs 1.6r2a , sms works fine. there is a slowness when compared to other cupcake builds, but hero runs pretty fast in my opinion. just cyanogens cupcake builds run faster.
i really like the sense ui and included widgets. multitouch is nice. and watching youtube in High quality over a 3g network is wonderful.
i love using the twitter widget. its soo useful. i only use twitter to follow devs,android news,tmonews, and new ROM news. so its easy to keep track of what the devs are doing and releasing
also i enjoy using my phone as a wifi access point, so i can use my laptop anywhere i go.
there is lag at times,but its not like SUPER SLOW. and you cant open the keyboard while at the homescreen. u just cant yet. but in apps u can.
isn't there hero free from tmobile uk with a contract? or was that only for a while back? i remember seeing it when it was released. i would definitely get the hero then just buy a g1 off ebay or something. then just alternate between the 2. also it would take a large discount for me to keep the g1.
don't get me wrong i love my g1 but it would be easier to buy a g1 that it would be to buy a hero, just my opinion.
Ok so how do you figure I am wrong, you just backed up what I said, ok so you get your led to shine but it is still not correctly working, you backed up what I said about it being slower, I was saying hardware wise, and you backed up saying that some hero roms miss texts. Can you run your hero without swap or compchace without having a significant difference, I don't think so. Yes hero roms are getting better but in all reality how was I pretty much wrong when you said the same thing in nicer terms. Just out of curiosity. I think it just comes down to a matter of opinion
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Ok so how do you figure I am wrong, you just backed up what I said, ok so you get your led to shine but it is still not correctly working, you backed up what I said about it being slower, I was saying hardware wise, and you backed up saying that some hero roms miss texts. Can you run your hero without swap or compchace without having a significant difference, I don't think so. Yes hero roms are getting better but in all reality how was I pretty much wrong when you said the same thing in nicer terms. Just out of curiosity. I think it just comes down to a matter of opinion
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"hero also has problems missing text, no bluetooth and no led notiifacations"
jacs hero 1.6r2a has no sms issues. the ones that have sms issues are the one thats older and outdated, or the new hero roms that hasnt been optimized.
LED notifications exist. just not as good as cupcake, but they are there.
its late and i dont feel like arguing with u. hero does have lag compared to cupcakes builds,but its not major
i say get the hero and than get a g1 i got one from craigslist practically new without contract for 130=D
Just been looking down the specs
The Dream and Hero are pratically the same apart from the memory and camera.
Not really to bothered by the camera anyways I got a 12mp camera if i want a photo. The video on the Hero is poor anyways. The only thing id be paying for is widgets at the expense of a full keyboard of the dream.
I suspect the increase in ROM and RAM is only to allow the Hero to run the Sense UI interface.
I think im going to stick with the dream.....
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The Dream and Hero are pratically the same apart from the memory and camera.
Not really to bothered by the camera anyways I got a 12mp camera if i want a photo. The video on the Hero is poor anyways. The only thing id be paying for is widgets at the expense of a full keyboard of the dream.
I suspect the increase in ROM and RAM is only to allow the Hero to run the Sense UI interface.
I think im going to stick with the dream.....
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i would trade you a dream rooted with 1.33.2005 spl and like 150 or 200 dollars for the hero lol
I want to get a G1, then root it so that i can use sense and apps2sd.I know its not the best looking phone but its not all bad, i like the hardware keyboard.Right now i have a samsung instinct(sprint) so im used to on-screen keyboards, but this phone has given me headaches and whatnot..i want to know what you guys think is the best thing to get.
It's just personal prefrence really. The hardware keyboard is the only thing the G1 has over any other android phone out at the moment, the MyTouch/Magic/Sapphire/Ion is the same spec as the G1, just no keyboard. Personally I'd go for the Hero, because I don't use the hardware keybaord much (and HTC IME is awesome!) and it also has 288mb RAM to compared to 192 than all other android phones have (appart from the 32A Magic). Can't really comment on the Cliq, don't really know anything about it.
As far as what's out now and what's comming out in the near future, I'd definately go with the Hero, I remember reading on phandroid that T-Mobile should be getting one and I'm crossing my fingers for that. I've been playing with my G1 for quite a few months now, I'm ready for something new that will likely be able to get android 2.0 and show off some more great things that can be done with the OS
well if i had a choice i would like the cliq just because of the key board.but if i didn't want a keyboard, it would be hero for sure .but i need a keyboard ,i use it all the time ! once the click comes out i think it will have a good strong following !
we don't know of the cliq is rootable yet, and remember were talking about motorola here. Id wait a few months and see where it goes first as far as quality and development. I have both the MT3G and the G1. I like the touch better just because its thinner and nicer looking. It took about a week to get used to the virtual keyboard but like any new phone you get used to it the more you use it. As far as performance its about the same, since both are running the same roms and are set up identical. I haven't used my G1 since to be honest, I really like the MT3G. I don't know much about the hero to comment. If you want a keyboard then id just wait because there are more android phones about to be released real soon.
My experience is only with a G1 - what is state of the art these days? I would probably want a real keyboard.
Thanks for any advice.
I think this is all about opinion though, so in my opinion, it would be the Nexus One. If you want to know what might be the best Android phone that hasn't been released yet, I would say the HTC Desire, but again, it's just my opinion.
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I think this is all about opinion though, so in my opinion, it would be the Nexus One. If you want to know what might be the best Android phone that hasn't been released yet, I would say the HTC Desire, but again, it's just my opinion.
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Neither have a QWERTY keyboard, right? Any thoughts on a phone with a real QWERTY keyboard?
there are none wich are up to date with android 2.1 :<
there is this LG phone but it still runs 1.5, and the x10 mini pro will also only run 1.5
wtb HTC device with keyboard and 2.1!
well theres the droid, but its not htc.
It should be getting 2.1 soon.
coredalae said:
there are none wich are up to date with android 2.1 :<
there is this LG phone but it still runs 1.5, and the x10 mini pro will also only run 1.5
wtb HTC device with keyboard and 2.1!
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wait for the nexus enterprise
I like querty want to see a phone with an actual keyboard too.
The G1 is definitely an awesome phone but can not last forever as newer and better Roms are officially released.
I don't think these companies understand that not everyone wants an all touch screen phone.
Hopeful to see a decent, rootable replacement for the Dream sometime in the near future.
is there such a thing as a htc keyboard or is it just the STANDARD android keyboard?
ive used a magic and a htc desire and i love how it suggests words when im spelling something. i also love how easily i can toggle between languages on the desire (i think thats only possible with froyo, right?)
so how can i pull that off on the galaxy? i know froyo will come for the galaxy eventually but my magic with 1.6 already suggested words which my galaxy is lacking so IS there such a thing like a htc keyboard or what does the htc use and is there a way I can get EXACTLY THAT ONE on my samsung?
thanks in advance
You could try, Better Keyboard it is not the same as the HTC one but will allow sugested words