Alright after reading that the G1 is basically outdated and old.. and won't really get any more updates.. (read it here http://home.leakdroid.com/2009/08/17/t-mobile-g1-wont-see-any-android-updates-beyond-1-5-faked/ )
I was wondering if it's worth me keeping it.. I mean I know it's a phone it'll get old eventually.. but it's happening to quick..
so my question is there a way to physically make more internal space? Hardware upgrade or something? Causing us to use upgraded roms in the future?
From what I understand....obviously you probably cant make hardware changes easily or effectively...but...
as for them "claiming" their will be no more updates for the G1...From what I understand as long as we have rooted G1s and apps2sd we should be able to run updates from other Android devices from ROMs here at XDA...
^ is that true? I mean, if we have a hard time getting a full Hero to work... I'm no Negative Nancy, I want it all, but it does seem the G1 is limited.
sell it buy and mytouch and then purchase the sense upgrade when it comes out.
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sell it buy and mytouch and then purchase the sense upgrade when it comes out.
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yea because that's what we want to do! My touch sucks!!!!!
Lol to each his own. I will have a hard time giving my baby up so easily. And u can't get the sense upgrade on the my touch as it is a google branded magic. Its hard for me to get excited about new android phones I dnt know why. Maybe I'm just hopelessly in love with my g1 lol
Through official channels I do not see updates past Cupcake coming. We might get a version of Donut but that would be the last. There likely will be some updates and security fixes but not a major release.
If Cyanogen keeps up his stellar work though I can not say that I particularly care. With apps2sd I think we can extend the life of the G1 for a while. I am still waiting for a better android handset with hardware keyboard before I abandon the G1.
True G1 has small amount of flash, but there aren't any other great alternative for Android fans either. Hero is a new approach on ui, but hardware is hardly an upgrade.
My g1 will keep on truckin until there is a major change in hardware being pushed out. Most likely until 3rd Q of 2010 until some snaps or tegra based phones come out to play. I hoping earlier tho.
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Through official channels I do not see updates past Cupcake coming. We might get a version of Donut but that would be the last. There likely will be some updates and security fixes but not a major release.
If Cyanogen keeps up his stellar work though I can not say that I particularly care. With apps2sd I think we can extend the life of the G1 for a while. I am still waiting for a better android handset with hardware keyboard before I abandon the G1.
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I agree its gonna be hard to live with out a keyboard. The moto androids have keyboards but its 3 rows I think so u know what that means ladies and gents tiny crowded keyboards
I also agree, Keeping the G1 untell another TM android phone comes out with a hard keyboard
I'm thinking about the g1 as well, so I thought I'd just post in here before making a new thread .
I am a bit late to the party i guess, also looking for a new (and first..) smartphone. This far the G1 looks most appealing - capacitive touchscreen, nice keyboard and Android.. Also the price is appealing, as I can get it for around 250euros in Germany. For comparison, an iphone 3gs 16gigs will cost me like 750euros (omfg), a touchpro2 around 530.. Hero is around 420, and no keyboard.. The G1 has seemingly everything i need at a low price.
However all these rumours and claims that the RAM is too little do make me think twice.. I'm rather new to the whole idea of android and flashing roms, but I do think the memory should be ok, as I dont really want 100 apps.. If I flash the latest Cyanogen rom, how much free flash memory will I have left?
The only things I do need on the phone is the browser, gmail, googlemaps (not a hard need tho) and some VNC client so that I can hopefully access my home PC over it.
Do I need to look into another phone, or will the g1 have enough memory (and speed) to make me happy? Are there any other qwerty android phones coming out soon (even tho I dont cherish the idea of a 500eur phone..)?
Soz for the lenghty post ;D
Take care!
/nick
Right now... G1 is the best deal out there. Depending on how long you're planning to keep your phone of course. If you want it for more then couple of years... wait to see what comes out... you'll want something with more ram (256+). If you plan on swapping phones in a year or so - get the G1, it has everything what other phones have out there, just less ram.
personaly, if i were to be jumping on board, id realy look hard at picking up a used G1 on ebay or some thing, prob pick it up about the same or less than a new contract phone. that way you can have what is currently the best, but not be locked into contract yet. then when the latest/greatest snapdragon powerd monster finaly hits, you can jump on it at a subsidised price.
currently, with the " danger" spl i have 89megs avail internal... but i run a2sd so i still have 100+ apps + with the latest recovery, i have 20+ roms on the sd, and a ton of themes etc...
the only thing that go's on internal memory now is just misc data.... a couple megs at most...
personaly, if i were to be jumping on board, id realy look hard at picking up a used G1 on ebay or some thing, prob pick it up about the same or less than a new contract phone. that way you can have what is currently the best, but not be locked into contract yet. then when the latest/greatest snapdragon powerd monster finaly hits, you can jump on it at a subsidised price.
currently, with the " danger" spl i have 89megs avail internal... but i run a2sd so i still have 100+ apps + with the latest recovery, i have 20+ roms on the sd, and a ton of themes etc...
the only thing that go's on internal memory now is just misc data.... a couple megs at most...
According to a thread on the tmobile forum and reference to cyan's tweet....G1 will be getting future updates...so dont give up tht easy...KEYBOARD FTW !!!!!
i have a STRONG GUT FEELEING that by oficial updates all we will see out of tmoble is security patches, and updates to oficial apps etc...
its tmobles way of trying to hush a volitile issue by vaguely stating that they will publish upgrades and continue to suport the phone. if they didnt they'd be looking at a million + upset customers, many of wich are recent subscribers to a soon to be out of date phone..
hell, dont they still sell the dash? it came out like 4 years ago, and was a base model " smart phone" they still " suport" it... security patches... lol..
so, my take...
major updates will require root, and updates from here!
might as well get on the danger spl bandwagon, give the developers a little more breathing room to add stuff, and who cares if they pull apps off the rom like amazon mp3 etc... kill the fluff that we can ad back on ourselves..
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hell, dont they still sell the dash? it came out like 4 years ago, and was a base model " smart phone" they still " suport" it... security patches... lol..
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you win.
Danger SPL and More Internal Storage
First of all, G! FOREVER. I'l just keep letting Cyan and other stuff on more code. My question, though, is does the Danger SPL upgrade internal storage somehow? I just updated to the Danger SPL and noticed that I have more internal storage. Is this reading correct or is the Danger SPL causing an incorrect reading? I don't really care much because I use A2SD but I was just curious.
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First of all, G! FOREVER. I'l just keep letting Cyan and other stuff on more code. My question, though, is does the Danger SPL upgrade internal storage somehow? I just updated to the Danger SPL and noticed that I have more internal storage. Is this reading correct or is the Danger SPL causing an incorrect reading? I don't really care much because I use A2SD but I was just curious.
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thats correct the whole point of it is that is smaller to allow for Hero
To elaborate, the /cache partition is shrunk (since it is mostly unused outside OTA updates) and the extra shared between /data (internal storage, where your apps go) and /system (more space for the OS).
type df at terminal to see partition sizes.
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I wanted to throw this in the development forum as I feel it pertains to such but I didnt want to risk a ban
So MobileCrunch tells me that donut may not make it to the Dream. I feel it is safe to assume that the modders here would be able to make it fit, am I right?
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I wanted to throw this in the development forum as I feel it pertains to such but I didnt want to risk a ban
So MobileCrunch tells me that donut may not make it to the Dream. I feel it is safe to assume that the modders here would be able to make it fit, am I right?
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officially no, by the time it is out the g1 will be obselete and you will probably have a new phone however if i comes out any time soon the devs here will work their magic and port it over.
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officially no, by the time it is out the g1 will be obselete and you will probably have a new phone however if i comes out any time soon the devs here will work their magic and port it over.
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this was proven to be a false statement.. donut will still come to the g1... confirmed on tmobile forums... im looking for the link now
http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=AndroidDev&thread.id=8520
we already have some of donut so honestly this isn't a big deal unless you don't root your phone
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this was proven to be a false statement.. donut will still come to the g1... confirmed on tmobile forums... im looking for the link now
http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=AndroidDev&thread.id=8520
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dosent say anyhing about dohnut here is what is there "We plan to continue working with Google to introduce future software updates to the T-Mobile G1. Reports to the contrary are inaccurate." im not saying there will be no updates but im not sure about dohnut according to this article they even had a hard time fitting cupcake on the g1 http://androidandme.com/2009/08/news/the-g1-storage-problem-in-charts-and-numbers/. Although i see your point
The issue seems to be that Android OS is becoming bigger and bigger, and non-rooted G1s are limited by the amount of onboard memory they have. Since most of us here on xda run A2SD ROMs, we will have no problems with Donut stuff. Heck, cyanogen has a lot of Donut stuff already included in his ROMs.
If you don't root your G1, your phone will soon run out of space for the newer versions of the OS.
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The issue seems to be that Android OS is becoming bigger and bigger, and non-rooted G1s are limited by the amount of onboard memory they have. Since most of us here on xda run A2SD ROMs, we will have no problems with Donut stuff. Heck, cyanogen has a lot of Donut stuff already included in his ROMs.
If you don't root your G1, your phone will soon run out of space for the newer versions of the OS.
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yup, exactly
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yup, exactly
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Do you think its possible in the next release or update they would just force apps2sd to create the space they need and obviously create their own tools to maintain it.
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Do you think its possible in the next release or update they would just force apps2sd to create the space they need and obviously create their own tools to maintain it.
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That's something that I've defintally pondered myself. But I don't think they should force, they should give the option. Because some people may not want to buy another SD card..
Best way for it to be done is give you options to install the components you want, i dont use music on my phone i have an mp3 play so would happily swap that for some amazing feature, or simply optimize and release applications
i guess this is on topic since it concerns dream and donut. but to anyone not following cyanogen on twitter. he is pretty damn close to a functioning donut. the last donut he did didn't have any kind of data or signal access and he said that he got mobile data working which is a huge leap forward so maybe we will donut on the g1 soon enough.
just a thought... i wonder if someone could make a spl that got rid of all the unneeded space in cache that is supposed to be for ota updates that would brick the phone? that would be great but i don't see that happening
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Do you think its possible in the next release or update they would just force apps2sd to create the space they need and obviously create their own tools to maintain it.
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the problem is most people wouldnt be able to format to ext2 or 3 and if they remove their sdcard it could break their system (unless they alloww it on fat32)
which almost all other mobile operaing systems do so im sure they could.
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the problem is most people wouldnt be able to format to ext2 or 3 and if they remove their sdcard it could break their system (unless they alloww it on fat32)
which almost all other mobile operaing systems do so im sure they could.
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Yes good point.
My main thing was just that after reading some articles on the topic everything was so glum. Like saying there may not be many more updates. In which i think i would hesitate to buy another product from them if they offer that up as an excuse and quit supporting updates and just move on to the next/ better phone.
From what ive read it really seems like the options are 1. Quit Developing new stuff, or 2. Give root to everyone and move stuff over to the SD. (Maybe im wrong but i think they would need to give us root to move the stuff to the SD).
They could possibly do it by the size of the SD card for the normal user. If its one gig, maybe just apps. If its 8 then apps, cache, audio resources, etc. That would be accpetable IMO.
I need to read up up i have no idea what donut actually is, i have cyan 4.01 but never followed the updates so i have no idea what the features are, etc.
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Is it worth me taking a new dream from Tmobile UK and rooting it to get a Hero ROM so I can have the new UI ??
Are there any problems with the ROM ?? that would stop it being used day to day ? also is it worth trading googlemail push for Microsoft Active Sync for Exchange which I used before on my WM device. ??
Hero is a port from a device with higher specs so to run on a g1, there will be a noticeble inherit slowness. I believe you will still have gmail on a hero rom though. For day to day use I would use a cyanogen rom. If you do want to run hero, you will need to partion your sd card into 3 partions, hero also has problems missing text, no bluetooth and no led notiifacations
Thankyou
Sounds pretty much like its not worth it then shame cause i love the dream QWERTy keyboard trying to type emails with on screen keyboard is a nightmare.
are there any screen shots of this ROM you mentioned ? What is good about this ROM ?
I just got the Dream yesterday it was supposed to be a Hero but they sent the wrong phone and offered me line rental discount if i kept it.
I just not sure if I should send it back and get hero.
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Sounds pretty much like its not worth it then shame cause i love the dream QWERTy keyboard trying to type emails with on screen keyboard is a nightmare.
are there any screen shots of this ROM you mentioned ? What is good about this ROM ?
I just got the Dream yesterday it was supposed to be a Hero but they sent the wrong phone and offered me line rental discount if i kept it.
I just not sure if I should send it back and get hero.
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it depends on how much you want the physical keyboard. personally i wouldn't be able to give it up. the cyanogen rom he mention looks like a stock rom unless you theme. sorry don't know where i can get stock screen shot right now. you can probably google it though.
Go over the devolpment sub-forum and go into cyanogenmod thread, you can see screnshots there, go witht the stable version which is 4.04, basiclly the feel and look of a stock rom but optimize for performance, it is the top rom for speed and stabilty at the moment. You can also download the cm updater from the market to stay on top of updates and a easy way to flash for now on. But make sure you make a nandroid backup for a just in case cause every once in a while you can get a bad download. Highly suggest also flashing cyanogen's pimped out recovery 1.4
Thanks for the info I might just hold off for a while and see how I go with stock ROM although I suspect I need to do something cause i am struggling to find any widgets that I want to use on the phone as standard
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Thanks for the info I might just hold off for a while and see how I go with stock ROM although I suspect I need to do something cause i am struggling to find any widgets that I want to use on the phone as standard
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im pretty sure you could find a g1/dream on ebay or somewhere fairly cheap so if you can i would get the hero and have the g1 i mean i am buying a practically brand new g1 from a friend that is rooted with the 1.33.2005 spl for $100 maybe i just got really lucky.
You got lucky, I just got mine from t-mobile for 150 with a new 2 year contract, so hopefully my g1 won't be extremely out of date and unsupported by then. At least by then there should be a new android phone with a snapdragon or tegra processor with 500mb ram and a pyshical keyboard which will blow away the g1 and even hero. Who knows by then we might have full graphic support with some cool ass games. Just hope we can get some better battery life by then
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Thanks for the info I might just hold off for a while and see how I go with stock ROM although I suspect I need to do something cause i am struggling to find any widgets that I want to use on the phone as standard
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actually gridlock is pretty much wrong.
bluetooth doesnt work but i dont need it so i can live without it. LEDs dont fully work. it shines green whenever i get something new,but it doesnt blink.
missing text only exist is some hero roms... in JACs 1.6r2a , sms works fine. there is a slowness when compared to other cupcake builds, but hero runs pretty fast in my opinion. just cyanogens cupcake builds run faster.
i really like the sense ui and included widgets. multitouch is nice. and watching youtube in High quality over a 3g network is wonderful.
i love using the twitter widget. its soo useful. i only use twitter to follow devs,android news,tmonews, and new ROM news. so its easy to keep track of what the devs are doing and releasing
also i enjoy using my phone as a wifi access point, so i can use my laptop anywhere i go.
there is lag at times,but its not like SUPER SLOW. and you cant open the keyboard while at the homescreen. u just cant yet. but in apps u can.
isn't there hero free from tmobile uk with a contract? or was that only for a while back? i remember seeing it when it was released. i would definitely get the hero then just buy a g1 off ebay or something. then just alternate between the 2. also it would take a large discount for me to keep the g1.
don't get me wrong i love my g1 but it would be easier to buy a g1 that it would be to buy a hero, just my opinion.
Ok so how do you figure I am wrong, you just backed up what I said, ok so you get your led to shine but it is still not correctly working, you backed up what I said about it being slower, I was saying hardware wise, and you backed up saying that some hero roms miss texts. Can you run your hero without swap or compchace without having a significant difference, I don't think so. Yes hero roms are getting better but in all reality how was I pretty much wrong when you said the same thing in nicer terms. Just out of curiosity. I think it just comes down to a matter of opinion
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Ok so how do you figure I am wrong, you just backed up what I said, ok so you get your led to shine but it is still not correctly working, you backed up what I said about it being slower, I was saying hardware wise, and you backed up saying that some hero roms miss texts. Can you run your hero without swap or compchace without having a significant difference, I don't think so. Yes hero roms are getting better but in all reality how was I pretty much wrong when you said the same thing in nicer terms. Just out of curiosity. I think it just comes down to a matter of opinion
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"hero also has problems missing text, no bluetooth and no led notiifacations"
jacs hero 1.6r2a has no sms issues. the ones that have sms issues are the one thats older and outdated, or the new hero roms that hasnt been optimized.
LED notifications exist. just not as good as cupcake, but they are there.
its late and i dont feel like arguing with u. hero does have lag compared to cupcakes builds,but its not major
i say get the hero and than get a g1 i got one from craigslist practically new without contract for 130=D
Just been looking down the specs
The Dream and Hero are pratically the same apart from the memory and camera.
Not really to bothered by the camera anyways I got a 12mp camera if i want a photo. The video on the Hero is poor anyways. The only thing id be paying for is widgets at the expense of a full keyboard of the dream.
I suspect the increase in ROM and RAM is only to allow the Hero to run the Sense UI interface.
I think im going to stick with the dream.....
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The Dream and Hero are pratically the same apart from the memory and camera.
Not really to bothered by the camera anyways I got a 12mp camera if i want a photo. The video on the Hero is poor anyways. The only thing id be paying for is widgets at the expense of a full keyboard of the dream.
I suspect the increase in ROM and RAM is only to allow the Hero to run the Sense UI interface.
I think im going to stick with the dream.....
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i would trade you a dream rooted with 1.33.2005 spl and like 150 or 200 dollars for the hero lol
Ok, so I was reading some articles and what not, and from what I'm thinking is that some of them have some truth, about the size limits of the G1, and how big the OS is getting.
So can someone who's a lot smarter than me (Meaning, most of you ) Please re-assure me, that even in the worst case we'd find a way to put it on a correctly formatted SD card?
Sorry if this was already brought up somewhere, I didn't see one, so I figured at the very least this could start a topic about it
Thanks!
Same thing was said about Donut and look at us now.
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Same thing was said about Donut and look at us now.
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QFT, I personally might be upgrading to a MT3G which I know is well over the size problem. But tmobile will force google into make a 2.0 rom for G1 users, according to Tmobile they still plan on continuing support through 2.0.. From what I heard apps2sd is going to be stock next rom so maybe they could take that extra space form the app storage and turn it into rom space!
of course this is still theoretically saying that only non protected apps will be on SD and protected ones will be on like a 20mb partition or some thing.
I am thinking of selling my G1 to upgrade (although I haven't really decided what to go for), and this will be partially financed by selling my G1. Originally I thought that was not going to bring in much, before I learnt that another guy from a different forum had sold his at a decent price (2k Norwegian kroner for those who might wonder and know what a krone is. )
But I am then faced with the following problem: What ROM to sell it with?
It is a UK Tmobile G1, so it would make sense to ship it with with Tmobile 1.6 ROM, but Tmobile does not exist in Norway, and neither does (luckilly) Operator-branded (and crippled) devices, with a few exceptions.
So I was thinking about installing the HTC ADP 1.6 ROM. But as far as I know, if I flash that, it would replace the amon ra bootloader I'm currently using, and thus it would losse some value for a geek who wants to try custom roms, but don't want to have to root it. There is always the defanged one I guess, but then again, thats not an official release.
I don't know of any custom ROM that is stable enough to ship it with, and I don't want a return because it doesn't work, reboots etc. At least if it contains an official ROM, I can say: That's how it is, that's the official version, you can complain to TC/Tmobile if you don't like it.
I want it to be attractive to as many buyers as possible, as the market for it is probably not that big.
Maybe I should just sell it as a "HTC Dream from UK, also known as G1", include a notice at the bottom that it can be delivered with a "custom ROM" if the buyer wants it) and ship it with the HTC ROM if the buyer soesn't request anything?
And maybe I am just tired and over-thinking it right now? xD
i think you should ask the buyer which rom he would prefer...give him a list of fast and most working rom...with camera working...or you can always put cyanogenmod and put CM updater ...if not you can put eclair 2.1 since its not yet pushed out on g1s...
I've seen a G1 on ebay that had Hero rom and was unlocked. It was selling for 250 last time I saw it...probably about 280 for final price. Good luck with the selling =)
What I'm afraid of is that talk about ROMs will scare of people who are not in the know, and those who are pay less.
Speaking of eclair 2.1, OpenEclair was so damn sweet and smooth, so now I need to keep it and play with it for a little while longer. Problem is, if I wait too long, it will be impossible to sell, but the perfect phone hasn't arrived yet. Milestone with snapdragon and 512MB RAM, now that would be something to jump at.
I heard that T-mobile is pushing out Eclair updates on G1...so i think you should go with a hero rom. Also if you put Amon RA Recovery...you can provide the buyer with a small user guide on how to make backup / save a rom and switch a rom...oooooo i have an idea...maybe you should put like 1 donut, 1 hero, 1 eclair, 1 cyanogenmod.....i dont think anyone have introduced this idea before (I get the copyright okey)....and explain to the user little about how switching rom and stuff...also some definition like "wiping" "flashing" "fix_permission" etc etc..
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What I'm afraid of is that talk about ROMs will scare of people who are not in the know, and those who are pay less.
Speaking of eclair 2.1, OpenEclair was so damn sweet and smooth, so now I need to keep it and play with it for a little while longer. Problem is, if I wait too long, it will be impossible to sell, but the perfect phone hasn't arrived yet. Milestone with snapdragon and 512MB RAM, now that would be something to jump at.
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I think you should put 2.1 hero or espresso on the phone if you want.You could always put a eclair if you want to. I doubt the buyer knows what roms are and you should keep that part hush hush.
Yeah, but the problem is when calls or sms are dropped, everything goes super slow, they take out the sd card while the phone i on, etc. etc. Then they get mad.
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...oooooo i have an idea...maybe you should put like 1 donut, 1 hero, 1 eclair, 1 cyanogenmod.....
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Thats a good idea. Just load up a bunch of ROMs on it, then save a Nandroid+EXT backup for each ROM on the SD.
just put the tmobile one on there.
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just put the tmobile one on there.
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Make sure your not using a EXT partition either, just plain with a enom rom.Plus the 2.0 OTA was rumored to have gone airborne so you might not wanna put any ol rom.
OOOOOORRRRRRR you could put enomther's TheOfficial which is stock with root access
Let the buyer decide. For all you know, maybe you end up with a buyer who don't care about YouTube/camcorder and would sacrifice those to run Eclair.
yea...let the buyer decide...also i think you should inform him the things he gonna miss for each rom...like camera /bluetooth...colverdale's nexus one eclair rom has everything...except youtube HD videos...
I recommend MghtyMax ROM. Very fast and stable.
I am planning on buying a HTC G1, but after I read that there is only 192mb RAM I decided to wait.
I have a few questions:
1. Can you make a swapfile on the G1?
2. Would there be a big speed/stability difference with 192 and 256 RAM?
3. How does 2.0/2.1 run compared to 1.6?
I will be using this as a PDA, not a phone and will be doing lots of gaming and web browsing on it.
Thank you,
~moonscapex
Buy a Nexus......
I would, but I can't afford one
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I would, but I can't afford one
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save up for one. Don't get a g1, it's already too outdated. save up and buy a good phone that'll last a while. By the time you have the money tucked away I'm sure you'll see phones even better than the nexus one.
Yes, I already have a high-end winmo PDA, so I am looking for a lower end Android phone.
I agree with others that say to get a different phone. I love my G1 to death, but there's no way I'd buy one today if I were in the market. It's just too limited.
That said, I'll try and answer your questions.
1. Yes, running swap is possible using a rooted phone and custom ROM. It's debated whether this actually helps any.
2. The 192 vs. 256 MB difference helps a great deal. There's just not a lot of memory left to run many apps and do much task switching on the newer iterations of the OS with only 192MB. The number of apps you can install is also limited by this number (unless you're running a rooted phone and installing apps to your SD card.)
3. On a G1, 2.0/2.1 is pretty slow. At this point I wouldn't use it as a daily use ROM.
The two functions you listed as your primary activities are the two things that the G1 does the worst. It's underpowered for a lot of games (not to mention the horrible battery life when you start playing games) and browsing the web can be a chore given the limited memory and CPU. It works great for basic things like email, maps/navigation, music, productivity apps, but it's pretty slow for other stuff.
OK, thank you. That is the kind of answer I was looking for. I will look into some other phones.
The G1 is ideal for what your looking for. Man people love to drift off don't they
Yeah they do...
Has anyone else tried Android 2.1 on their G1?
If you root it, in addition to the debatable swapping to the SD for more ram and cache, you can overclock the things. Probably a bit hard on your battery and might generate unacceptable heat, don't know. You might just get it up to 2/3's to 3/4th's the speed of a Nexus for the cost of a bigger battery. Maybe then you could run 2.1 effectively. Who knows.
I'd buy it used. They go for about $175 on ebay unlocked. If you screw it up you've not lost that much. You can resell your broken one on ebay for about $75
Regards, PK
Overall the G1 for me has just been fun to root and flash multiple roms. =P Some roms are moderately fast, but are limited to games as we have no video drivers
Thanks for the good answers. So the Open GL drivers are not available on the G1? And how easy is it to brick a G1. Ive flashed many roms on winmo with no problem.
EDIT: Yes I will overclock. Are the Vid drivers available on the Magic?
moonscapex said:
Thanks for the good answers. So the Open GL drivers are not available on the G1? And how easy is it to brick a G1. Ive flashed many roms on winmo with no problem.
EDIT: Yes I will overclock. Are the Vid drivers available on the Magic?
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Yeah they are
Personally
I preordered a G1... rooted it early in the beginnings of Haykuro and JF... and 16 months later I still say there isnt a replacement... I got a full upgrade and I still havent taken advantage... The N1 is nice, if you can live wo the hard keyboard... If you want a low end android, the G1 is a good starter phone...
I run both 2.1 and 1.6 roms.. The 1.6 roms are really fast, The 2.1 roms are worth having on your phone to show off... I can stream music on 3G from 8am to about 230-3pm at work on either so batt life is fine either way on a normal day...
I dont know what kind of gaming you do, but my old school emulators do the trick nicely run on any rom and with the hard keyboard controls are great... I use a ram hack that removes the 3d accelerator for another 8mb of usable ram, so I cant comment on 3d games...
Bricking a G1 is almost impossible now with all the good tutorials... the G1 is the easiest to root, hack, flash, customize... all that in my own eyes... Ive brought noobs down the rabbit hole and now they are cookin up roms and themes like crazy...
I on the other hand still patiently wait for a new bigger better stronger phone (with a hard keyboard) to replace my G1 and I know it will not be in the low end android bracket..
protomanez said:
Overall the G1 for me has just been fun to root and flash multiple roms. =P Some roms are moderately fast, but are limited to games as we have no video drivers
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My setiments exactly. Hate to say it but it's just fun to see or learn somthing new.
Good thread for Android noobes.
Regards, PK
So far I'm convinced about the G1, thanks everybody. When I found out that the keyboard on the magic would not work with a stylus, and only your fingers, it made it obvious for me.
PS: Can you disable the RAM hack without reflashing?
moonscapex said:
So far I'm convinced about the G1, thanks everybody. When I found out that the keyboard on the magic would not work with a stylus, and only your fingers, it made it obvious for me.
PS: Can you disable the RAM hack without reflashing?
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Not really. You must replace the kernel, so it's basically just as complicated as reflashing.
I'ts simple.
Flash the boot.img and reboot.
All gone.
(and vice versa)
you wont loose any data or anything.