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Anyone who sold their Kaiser for an iPhone is a very silly man!

are you bored of your iPhone yet? are the features getting old? do you miss windows mobile? Do you have anything to look forward to?
should have kept your Kaiser...

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I'd rather have a kaiser of an iphone. Although, I'm pretty sure people are able to make some kind of software for the iPhone now. hacking it or something.

I had the iPhone and I came to the kaiser. Its called jailbreaking, once you do that an app called installer shows up and you install apps from there.

~~Tito~~ said:
I had the iPhone and I came to the kaiser. Its called jailbreaking, once you do that an app called installer shows up and you install apps from there.
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1.1.3 is full of apps now. I actually use the iPhone a little bit more than the Kaiser today. Just because I wanted to see what's all the fuss was about with 1.1.3. But hey iPhone and Kaiser are both great devices, that can not be compared.
You can compare a Kaiser vs. Touch, or iPhone vs. Prada. Both are very different devices. Those who say same old functions, what do you mean same ole functions, both devices are packed with apps.

IBTL
iPhone = silly cell phone that pretends to be and costs like a PDA
Ha.

we3zy said:
1.1.3 is full of apps now. I actually use the iPhone a little bit more than the Kaiser today. Just because I wanted to see what's all the fuss was about with 1.1.3. But hey iPhone and Kaiser are both great devices, that can not be compared.
You can compare a Kaiser vs. Touch, or iPhone vs. Prada. Both are very different devices. Those who say same old functions, what do you mean same ole functions, both devices are packed with apps.
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SDK is out already?? I had it last month so, nothing new to me.

Kaiser way better
Anyone who gets a iphone is a very silly person.....Kaiser has so many apps. and programs that iphone doesn't
peace
mike

I'll take it farther - I'll take Windows over Mac any day.
Heck I'd rather use Win98 than latest Mac OS.

And this one time, at band camp..............

I would take Lepord over Vista and WM over OSX Mobile. Mac's win in the computer's side but not on the Mobile side.

you can keep ur kaiser and ur iphone.........my firefly pwns them both

Ahahaha, like that will ever happen. . .

haha..
the iphone...
i had 1.. also my uncle had 1..
we played... we had fun!!!...
but....
then it came sooo repetitive...
the same things always...
then i sold it...
and my uncle too =) ...
haha..
is just funny.. i had both devices..
well i have my kaiser because it has more apps, productivity and some Business Man Style.. iphone was for me more like a psp than a pda =)

*too the first 2 repliers**
i made this thread not to gain any new apps or prosper from, but just for talk. to hear opinions and compare the 2. yea there are other threads like it, but i dont find this thread pointless, perhaps it's just the wording I used.
so it appears most people went with the iphone and then they realized everything was the same. yea there are apps for Mac OS but not enough to make you wanna keep the phone. the emulators for the iphone arent that great either, all screen and not really stable.

ok.. for that is the off-topic so..
maybe a "Social Room" will solve things like this
i.e: a social room in kaiser section for kaiser users =)

Isaygarcia said:
ok.. for that is the off-topic so..
maybe a "Social Room" will solve things like this
i.e: a social room in kaiser section for kaiser users =)
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yes, but it will have 500303939 pages, which would get annoying...
ive seen another forum where on the front page there is some sort of IM thing, that would be nice. users just talk on the front page.

yes that would be great!!!.. it can be done with java.. can we do this mods? or admins?

btw, awesome page comparing the Iphone and the Nokia E70
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone (NSFW)

Turning PPC into IPhone

Friends,
Is it possible to skin the AT&T WM6 ppc phone to look and behave like the Apple IPhone?
Tvos

Here's what you need
$400 and this

Do a search for "iphone skin" and programs like iFonz will help you.

Try to make it look unique and useful, instead of making it look like anothe 'me-too' product from Apple...

sell ur phone and get an iphone

bapssystupr3m3 said:
sell ur phone and get an iphone
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I agree... ebay

Jimmyy said:
I agree... ebay
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and lose all your 3rd party apps, 3.0mp camera, GPS, and kaiser greatness, lol.
BRILLIANT!

Or trade like I did, people are willing to trade.

mikeeey said:
and lose all your 3rd party apps, 3.0mp camera, GPS, and kaiser greatness, lol.
BRILLIANT!
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Hahaha, I rather have the guy loose that than skin alive a Sexy Kaiser with nasty iphone mock-up skins and such. It's not the devices fault he's confused =(

tvos said:
Friends,
Is it possible to skin the AT&T WM6 ppc phone to look and behave like the Apple IPhone?
Tvos
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You're asking Kaiser Owners how to do this?
That's like going to the dark side and asking if theres anyway to skin your Red saber to look like obi-wans shiny blue one...

iphone skins are like dragQueens == you are not fooling that many people in the end

Why does everybody want having his phone look like that gayPhone (or anything starting with i- )?

So you're saying the WM6 user interface is better looking than the iPhone?
Please, I wish you all would STFU with that elitist asshole garbage man. The iPhone interface IS slick and DOES look good. Sometimes people don't want to deal with the WM interface, it isn't pretty. It isn't slick. Period.
If you don't like the fact that he wants an iPhone skin,stay the hell out of his thread, especially if you aren't going to contribute. He apparently doesn't care about your opinion about HIS phone, leave him alone.
Back on topic: Sorry about just adding to the clutter of your thread man, best advice I can give you is to just search around. I haven't tried any iPhone skins, but I do want to try it just to see how it works out.

well said noyz. the chap came on here looking for an answer (which, admittedly if he had searched a little he would have found) and everyone jumps at the occasion to spout loads of 'LOLZ IPHONE IS **** LOLZ' rubbish. people can skin their wm phones however they want - and im sure some people want it to look like an iphone, whilst retaining the kaisers excellent features. i personally dont, but i do use s2u, which i find is an excellent app.
my advice is to search here, and also - if you find theres a bit too much - give youtube a try - most of the 'wm6 iphone' style videos will list somewhere how they've done it, or at least what programs were used - and you'll get a good idea of what sort of stuff you want and dont.
but jesus christ, in what way is it helpful to him to comment 'sell your phone and buy an iphone' :|
im affraid to say thats one of the thnigs i dislike about this site - the arrogance and elitism.

why
Jamiewalshe said:
but jesus christ, in what way is it helpful to him to comment 'sell your phone and buy an iphone' :|
im affraid to say thats one of the thnigs i dislike about this site - the arrogance and elitism.
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Because its all about choices in life, He bought performance, how on earth can it behave like a iphone with WM, different touchscreen, different hardware etc. I think the interface of the iphone is beatifull, but it performs like nothing.
He decided performace, so he should accept that its not possible to make it a iphone, if he wants, sell the HTC and buy a iphone.

Why does everyone get mad when people suggest to sell the phone to get the iphone? If you want the iPhone UI and feel get an iPhone, plain and simple.

its obviously he doesnt want to magically turn it into an iphone! he just wants it to have a similar ui and look to it. hence the 'how can i skin my phone to look like an iphone'
my point about the 'sell the phone and buy an iphone' comment was that it wasnt constructive help in anyway. its like telling him he should have crapped in a toilet if he had announced that he crapped his pants, so to speak. it doesnt help at all.
what if you want the look and layout of an iphone but you want a wm device and all the features kaiser has? your way of thinking suggests your answer would be to buy nothing and wait, when an appropriate compromise can be made.

Jamiewalshe said:
your way of thinking suggests your answer would be to buy nothing and wait, when an appropriate compromise can be made.
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Yes, because itæs simply not possible to add an iphone UI to a WM6 device, I will not say het should sell his HTC and iphone, thats a little bit short thinking.
BUT, the poster should keep in mind that he does not have a iphone it is or-or, not both, a iphone iu will never be near realistic since the hardware is so different..

swiftgs said:
Yes, because itæs simply not possible to add an iphone UI to a WM6 device, I will not say het should sell his HTC and iphone, thats a little bit short thinking.
BUT, the poster should keep in mind that he does not have a iphone it is or-or, not both, a iphone iu will never be near realistic since the hardware is so different..
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i agree, and it would be very naive to believe that a wm6 device could have an exact iphone ui, but for the sake of arguing - what can be done (taking into account differences in hardware) its not a million miles off.
without making too many assumptions, i would imagine the majority of those that use an iphone style ui on their wm6 device do so purely for aesthetic reasons.

tvos said:
Friends,
Is it possible to skin the AT&T WM6 ppc phone to look and behave like the Apple IPhone?
Tvos
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Hello Tvos,
If you're not interested in the WinMo interface and wont something that feels like an iPhone, you may want to test out an application called Point UI. It is not an iPhone interface but it does similarities like a sliding interface.
Hope this helps.

My Girlfriends' Blackberry Curve

Having had a 7290 for awhile, my girlfriend has always been jealous of me and what my phone thus far has been capable of, streaming video, gps, kitchens and custom roms and just the overall customization factor of my Titan. Having grown tired of her 7290 she called Rogers and *****ed, heck i even helped her ***** but little was i expecting Rogers of all networks to give her the new BB Curve for free.
I admit I haven't really versed myself about blackberries and when the agent we spoke to offered her an 8310 I had sneer on my face thinking here we go again, another blue brick for her. Imagine my surprise when we got to the dealer and I saw her new phone.
THIS THING IS SEXY AND FUNCTIONAL!! Wow RIM these days is really bringing the heat in terms of design. Hell I'm spending more time on her phone these days than on mine (not that i would trade)
See how the roles have reversed now?
Now the burning question I pose to you is.... WOULD YOU TRADE YOUR HTC PHONE FOR ONE OF THESE?!?

I would not trade my 8525 and soon to be Tilt in for a Blackberry for one reason: How does it out perform and do what mine does better? Enough said....

mchapman007 said:
I would not trade my 8525 and soon to be Tilt in for a Blackberry for one reason: How does it out perform and do what mine does better? Enough said....
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Yeah I agree but I gotta give RIM credit on having a far more stable OS than windows mobile
edit: here are interesting *ahem* incendiary articles i came across
http://www.laptopmag.com/Features/BlackBerry-vs-Windows-Mobile-6.htm
http://www.vaked.com/blackberry-curve-vs-att-tilt/

Blackberry is far more stable because it has far less software to screw it up. Not much 3rd party stuff to customize.

mvpilot172 said:
Blackberry is far more stable because it has far less software to screw it up. Not much 3rd party stuff to customize.
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Which is exactly why apple is "more stable" than pc platform. They restrict the hardware to about 3 options and then lock down what you can run on it (granted not so much on the software side but it is still limited).

Temptation too much
Looks like the temptation was too much for me to bear, I went ahead and took the plunge, bought myself a curve this past friday. Had my girlfriend looking at me like.... WTF?!? My excuse was 'No one does email better than blackberry baby plus now u can email me with no delay' don't know if it worked.
Still using my Titan for everyday use (can't give it up), my blackberry is strictly for email, makes me wonder if I'm slowly turning into a blackberry convert...crackberry anyone?
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&ct=re...7iRobxlbjabynrWLQ&sig2=TkaPGQarLg9gkS2qvsudsw

origins81 said:
Looks like the temptation was too much for me to bear, I went ahead and took the plunge, bought myself a curve this past friday. Had my girlfriend looking at me like.... WTF?!? My excuse was 'No one does email better than blackberry baby plus now u can email me with no delay' don't know if it worked.
Still using my Titan for everyday use (can't give it up), my blackberry is strictly for email, makes me wonder if I'm slowly turning into a blackberry convert...crackberry anyone?
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&ct=re...7iRobxlbjabynrWLQ&sig2=TkaPGQarLg9gkS2qvsudsw
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Ha! I do admit the Blackburry Curve is a sexy looking device compared to my M3100 (ugli!) and is very tempting to go and get it....
Its the sort of phone that says "look at me im american and luvin it!"
But as posted before.... its the lack of 3rd party support...
I couldnt live without my S2P as it is the music player that still gives the wow factor
but mite go and do what origins81 did and have it on contract....

I personally would not trade my Prophet for a Blackberry because I love the fact I can cook ROMs, flash stuff and install things that will never work on Blackberrys. My Prophet in combination with an exchange server also does all the email i need.
A small point though. Doesn't this thread go against:
Before you answer, think for a second, are you posting a solution or your opinion... cos if its your opinion, then thanks, you can keep that to yourself!
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from origins signature?

l3v5y said:
I personally would not trade my Prophet for a Blackberry because I love the fact I can cook ROMs, flash stuff and install things that will never work on Blackberrys. My Prophet in combination with an exchange server also does all the email i need.
A small point though. Doesn't this thread go against:
from origins signature?
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lmao i know! I thought about that when I started the thread and you're the first to call me out. This thread is all about opinions...

Everytime I see this thread I keep thinking, Blackberry Curves? Damn lumpy lady. How about Pear Curves Or Hourglass Curves. Just a thought.
I moved over to a Kaiser after having a Blackberry 8800. I like the WM based Device Better. More Options all around. But I'm a guy who likes options.

I honestly think you should kick your HTC to the curb and stick to the blackberry...yeah you can do a lot with your HTC, but it gets boring after a while..and it makes your phone run so slow..thats why you have a desktop...you keep your phone strictly for calls and emails and messaging..the rest..keep it on your computer!! Blackberries are so much more reliable, nicer, functional, accessible. least but most important...HTC'S SUUUUUUUCK!!!!

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I honestly think you should kick your HTC to the curb and stick to the blackberry...yeah you can do a lot with your HTC, but it gets boring after a while..and it makes your phone run so slow..thats why you have a desktop...you keep your phone strictly for calls and emails and messaging..the rest..keep it on your computer!! Blackberries are so much more reliable, nicer, functional, accessible. least but most important...HTC'S SUUUUUUUCK!!!!
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Though I may not agree with what you say, and I would fight to the death to protect your right to say it. I must admit, you probably shouldn't have said that.
Do you have the right to express your feelings? Yes. But, do you have to do so In an obviously inflammatory manner? NO!
You don't walk through a tiger cage wearing a Raw Meat Suit. Its just not smart. If you don't like your HTC, leave here and never look back. The people here, hence the name, are Developers. We like to build and make our phone work beyond what some people can imagine.
The more I think about it. Given this is your only post, I think you are a Troll. Go back to your bridge and leave us people who enjoy working on an "open" expandable platform alone. I've used a Blackberry, and its an ok phone. But I love my HTC so much better. If you have the belief that a phone should be a phone and you have your desktop for computing, Then you are not the target market OF the HTC product.
Thank you for stopping by. However, your kind are not welcome here.

@candymandysandy:
Given this is your first post....bad call my friend!! The equivalent of that is me posting BLACKBERRIES SUCK A**!! @ crackberry.com.
Those guys would track down me by my IP address, literally tear me apart, take pictures then PIN each other and don't expect less here.
It's an unspoken rule, you'll (trap) make more friends (flies) with honey than with vinegar
*edit* I'm lovin my curve tho

I like my blackberry
I have 2 Blackberry Curve 8310 and love em...they just look cool and as far as 3rd party software I have google maps and other google software on it and it works great. The only thing thjat bugs me is I cant find anyone that knows how to unlock these phones for free. Other than that iots great. But on the other hand what do I know I'm used to flip phones. LOL

No way to trade my Uni

These fruity phones are so irritating... blackberry... apple iphones... strawberry... blueberry... crackberry.... expensive useless fruits... everytime i saw one, i directly want to eat one
Here, in Indonesia, where image is almost number one thing for average humans, blackberry users has jumped from small hardcore-based fan, into million of users starting from early this year. Those people who want to stay-connected, 24/7 nagged and disturbable, with mails and messengers, which consider these features as plus beside the "image" they buy. Yeah, image, because even the lesser one (Curve) cost almost $500 here.
And when iPhone did launch their fruit here, even in $800 so-called "subsidized" tag (heck, subsidized at this price??), thousands get in-line to indent one.
Geez, my poor fellow countrymen. Being sucked high and dry..... by fruits!!!
So annnoying... why? I don't know with BB users in other country, but in this country, these fruits has turned million into autistic human zombie... they carry it everywhere, stich it everytime to their palm, in the toilets, while driving, in social gathering... Very annoying when you have 5 friends gathered around, but 4 of them are busy with their own fruits almost everytime....!!! Every seconds passed with the notorious "ding".. "dong".. and prompt texting to reply.... ARRGGHHHH!!!

origins81 said:
Having had a 7290 for awhile, my girlfriend has always been jealous of me and what my phone thus far has been capable of, streaming video, gps, kitchens and custom roms and just the overall customization factor of my Titan. Having grown tired of her 7290 she called Rogers and *****ed, heck i even helped her ***** but little was i expecting Rogers of all networks to give her the new BB Curve for free.
I admit I haven't really versed myself about blackberries and when the agent we spoke to offered her an 8310 I had sneer on my face thinking here we go again, another blue brick for her. Imagine my surprise when we got to the dealer and I saw her new phone.
THIS THING IS SEXY AND FUNCTIONAL!! Wow RIM these days is really bringing the heat in terms of design. Hell I'm spending more time on her phone these days than on mine (not that i would trade)
See how the roles have reversed now?
Now the burning question I pose to you is.... WOULD YOU TRADE YOUR HTC PHONE FOR ONE OF THESE?!?
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No way! never
Win_XP said:
No way to trade my Uni
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Well said!
Me neither
Uni is one of the best devices ever!

what happened to the good ol' nokia?

DhaMajoR said:
what happened to the good ol' nokia?
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One word, Symbian,
Had a Blackberry Pearl before my Tilt, if you think HTC/M$ are always one step behind, try RIM. I had that phone for 2 years with not one update, much less an OS revamp.

Nice one Mike! I like those blackberry curves!
And no, I would never go to a blackberry. Every time I visit my mother she always wants to play with my phone because her blackberry is so blah. Its just not for me man! Why would you want something you cant brick and bring back to life every week?

iphone killer app

I'm looking for the one (or better more than 1) app that will kick all the surrounding iphone addicts and will get them to see that the kaiser is not failing even with graphics and interface. I think that a game that takes the graphics to the the limit will do the job - any suggestions?

You don't need any software to do that; it already does.
iPhone users can't figure out how to use these types of phones, you need to be intelligent too, and, well, Apple users really aren't that intelligent...

The Iphone is sooo cute.......It's amazing how impressed people get with what are nothing but a bunch of shortcuts on the phone, You can't do everything you can on WM

If you are looking to get justification from me (or someone else) about the $$ you spent on the kaiser (vs. iphone), then you obviously missed the point.
p.s. you probably should have just asked what the best software was--instead of "why is my 1 year old phone better than the iphone"
p.p.s. maybe you should have bought an iphone. you might be one of the people Squeaky369 was talking about.
...of course, it sounds like he's trying to justify the kaiser also.
Here's my $0.02:
I used to only own sony ericsson phones. until I bought an Audiovox SMT5600. cool phone, but it just needed a "insert newest feature here," to be perfect. Then the next HTC phone came out, and, viola! I bought that one. fast forward through 6 HTC phones in as ~4 years.
I like them because they have great support by the folks here at xda-developers. THAT's enough for me. Customer support, only provided by people who actually care, the customer.
to sum it all up, the kaiser is only a good phone because of this website.

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You don't need any software to do that; it already does.
iPhone users can't figure out how to use these types of phones, you need to be intelligent too, and, well, Apple users really aren't that intelligent...
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Well, that's the the hardest point: make the non intelligent understand that they are such.

pingels said:
If you are looking to get justification from me (or someone else) about the $$ you spent on the kaiser (vs. iphone), then you obviously missed the point.
p.s. you probably should have just asked what the best software was--instead of "why is my 1 year old phone better than the iphone"
p.p.s. maybe you should have bought an iphone. you might be one of the people Squeaky369 was talking about.
...of course, it sounds like he's trying to justify the kaiser also.
Here's my $0.02:
I used to only own sony ericsson phones. until I bought an Audiovox SMT5600. cool phone, but it just needed a "insert newest feature here," to be perfect. Then the next HTC phone came out, and, viola! I bought that one. fast forward through 6 HTC phones in as ~4 years.
I like them because they have great support by the folks here at xda-developers. THAT's enough for me. Customer support, only provided by people who actually care, the customer.
to sum it all up, the kaiser is only a good phone because of this website.
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You totally missed me: If I could get iphone for $100 less than what i have payed for my kaiser (and maybe I could - i just didnt look for) I would never got an apple,
I am more than proud to have my kaiser and I bought it after reading this website for long time and understanding that powerful machine with power web support is what I need. for me the apple is like a toy for spoiled users, but I do find myself many times trying to justify my choice.

udi1 said:
I'm looking for the one (or better more than 1) app that will kick all the surrounding iphone addicts and will get them to see that the kaiser is not failing even with graphics and interface. I think that a game that takes the graphics to the the limit will do the job - any suggestions?
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Anywho, Skyfire. Nuff said. Load it up enabled HSDPA on your phone and head to anysite playing video. I watched that new Chris Rock special on my phone today at work, had the entire crew laughing.

when sanchez get his program out, then you can show them your phone can do everything the iphone does. just showing how customizable it is should do the trick

c'mon man...you already got them with copy and paste!

udi1 said:
I'm looking for the one (or better more than 1) app that will kick all the surrounding iphone addicts and will get them to see that the kaiser is not failing even with graphics and interface. I think that a game that takes the graphics to the the limit will do the job - any suggestions?
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dude, you don't need any special application. just copy and paste and they'll run off crying like little girls

Just show them a cursory list of WM apps/games available for the TyTN II and that'll scare them sh*tless!!!! Nevermind the Java stuff too.
Just show them how customisable the TyTN II is also,
and and and and and...the list is almost endles!!!
I have a thread here somewhere where I had a device shoot-out with a colleague a few months back. He has (had now hehehehehe) an Apple iPhoney and I have my TyTN II....he ran for the hills dude!!!!!!!!

Show them Manila 2D
I wowed an iPhone user when I showed them my tilt with M2D running. What's up with youtube on iPhone looking like crap? LOL

kaiser VS. iphone
hey.
no dought. iphone is like a simple video game, and kaiser is like a small computer with all the posebilities-just think of one...
in every compresion i read, the kaiser took the iphone by far.
be proud to have a kaiser. a fantastic machine indeed. let the childrens play with their iphones

Are you expecting somebody to say "there was a guy with an iphone, and i pulled out my kaiser and showed him my latest program. his girlfriend left him for me and gave me a lot of money. then i asked him about copying and pasting and he grabbed his groin because my metaphorical kick actually caused him pain."

Funny, cbass.
No, but there is a joy to all of this. It's not about who's swinging the bigger stick. It's just that some iPhone owners are so ridiculous about their phones (while most of the iPhone owners I know already have either broken the screen or just traded them in.)
A buddy of mine lives 3000 miles away. I called him up to let him know I was visiting. Knowing he's a gadget geek, I asked if he had the new 3G iPhone. He did. He asked if I had it. I said "No, I bought the Tilt." He laughed and told me about three coworkers who bought Tilts and hated them. How ugly the screens were. How impractical. I kept my mouth shut knowing I had just put TouchFlo 2d on the Tilt and wanted to wait for him to see it in person. Now I have a buddy who is pissed he bought an iPhone.
P.S. I don't know where you guys bought your Kaisers. I bought mine from AT&T (refurbished, not that you could tell) for $150.

A horse that had just purchased an iPhone walked into a bar...bartender asked, "Why the long face?"
Thank you, thank you...
Just go to an iPhone owner, put your tilt up to their face, and ask, "Can your fancy phone DO THIS!!!" as you slide out the keyboard to the transformers sound they will have no other choice but to rip their garment apart and gnash their teeth in repentance...

This is the funniest thread ever!

deymayor said:
This is the funniest thread ever!
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iphone killer thread... should be stickied!!

No offense, but there is no comparison
I'm not saying iPhone is better, but that there really is no comparison.
The point of the iPhone is to be slick, simple, and easy to use. According to the vast user community, it meets those objectives. My VP buddy has the iPhone and so do most of the execs at our company now. The reason they like it is that it just "does what they want", and nothing more.
I tell the 1st buddy I mentioned about all the cool things my phone does, and he says "I don't need that". End of argument. I ask if this or that on the iPhone is configurable. He doesn't want to configure it.
When asked about the user interface, he says "They nailed it", meaning it is perfect. He doesn't need a slide-out keyboard, because the on-screen keyboard works just fine for him. No... He probably can't type as fast as I can on the Tilt, but he says "I don't need to type fast".
So there it is: The iPhone community (and it is growing) are guys that are not stupid.. their world just does not revolve around their phone as ours does. It isn't a toy to make better -- it is a tool.
An iPhone killer is a stripped down, simple, rudimentary version of the software I have now. It is so stripped down that it probably works a bit more reliably and a bit more spritely in responding to commands. It also has one more feature -- consistency of user interface. It can't "dump to the same old e-mail interface" when you just came off the slick screen. It still has to zoom and flip and do all that. iFonz was close, but the version I used wasn't very fast on the Kaiser. And to me (I'm one of you -- make no mistake) it didn't do all I wanted! (so I have to disqualify myself on that point... )
Someone should make that slick simple phone -- oh, they do --- but we wouldn't like it...
So it is about market. In my opinion, Apple knows how to mass market to people -- not engineers -- and HTC and MS know how to market to engineers. Unfortunately, people outnumber engineers by a considerable margin.

esnyder58 said:
I'm not saying iPhone is better, but that there really is no comparison.
The point of the iPhone is to be slick, simple, and easy to use. According to the vast user community, it meets those objectives. My VP buddy has the iPhone and so do most of the execs at our company now. The reason they like it is that it just "does what they want", and nothing more.
I tell the 1st buddy I mentioned about all the cool things my phone does, and he says "I don't need that". End of argument. I ask if this or that on the iPhone is configurable. He doesn't want to configure it.
When asked about the user interface, he says "They nailed it", meaning it is perfect. He doesn't need a slide-out keyboard, because the on-screen keyboard works just fine for him. No... He probably can't type as fast as I can on the Tilt, but he says "I don't need to type fast".
So there it is: The iPhone community (and it is growing) are guys that are not stupid.. their world just does not revolve around their phone as ours does. It isn't a toy to make better -- it is a tool.
An iPhone killer is a stripped down, simple, rudimentary version of the software I have now. It is so stripped down that it probably works a bit more reliably and a bit more spritely in responding to commands. It also has one more feature -- consistency of user interface. It can't "dump to the same old e-mail interface" when you just came off the slick screen. It still has to zoom and flip and do all that. iFonz was close, but the version I used wasn't very fast on the Kaiser. And to me (I'm one of you -- make no mistake) it didn't do all I wanted! (so I have to disqualify myself on that point... )
Someone should make that slick simple phone -- oh, they do --- but we wouldn't like it...
So it is about market. In my opinion, Apple knows how to mass market to people -- not engineers -- and HTC and MS know how to market to engineers. Unfortunately, people outnumber engineers by a considerable margin.
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Actually alot of them do revolve around there phones..... they are materialistic about it alot of times. if apple can put their name on it they will buy it.
I would have to say it is a opinion though. just over a year ago people were amazed when i had a phone with a touch screen. now they don't hardly make phones without them. People are used to having a phone that did only the basic functions and anything more than that is over whelming to them to have much more than simple.
Reguardless it really is an inteligence thing. people are intimidated by carrying around a computer in their pocket and yet i can tell them they are amazed everytme they see my phone after i have flashed a new rom "its like a having a new phone everytime" I've actually talked about 10 different people into gettng this phone in the last 6 months reguardsless that its "death" is schedulled at the end of this year. I'm maitaing a fleet of kaisers and training windows mobile users. They all were confused when they got them but about all you have to say is it runs just like windows and all the sudden it gets easier and easier.......
One thing i can say is noone i have ever talked to after i show them around to all the things they can do and how to use them have ever gone, "damn i shouldn't have gotten this phone." they all go off to flaunt it to their iphone friends.

iphone 3G help

hey guys...im plannin to buy an iphone 3g....does anybody know how to unlock it....

Welcome to forums
I´m sure this is a joke right?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=553115&page=2
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Originally Posted by denco7
What is it about people that they feel the need to come on a Windows Mobile forum to start a new thread to announce that they just got a new iPhone ?
Can't they just ressurrect one of the other 1000 threads that were started everytime Apple passes gas. ?
I have five Macs currently, am typing this on a Mac, my first PDA was an Apple Newton. I have been an Apple fanboy for 30yrs. And am on my second iPhone.
I also love my Kaiser. Now when I got my new 3Gs last month, my first thought wasn't to rush right over to XDA to start a new thread to announce that I had gotten a new iPhone, why is that everyone elses first thought ?
Can we just add all the " I just got a new iPhone " threads to the AS team's list of duties ?"
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Originally Posted by cnunez1987
I owned an iPhone from October to January, then downgraded to an iPod Touch from February to March (or April) and went back on Windows Mobile by May or so.
It pretty much comes down to this: If you want a phone that's super pretty, super usable, super fast and that JUST WORKS, you get an iPhone. In doing so, you have to play by Apple's rules, which is a consequence of having a phone that works so incredibly well.
However, if you want a device that puts YOU in control, from choice of device to choice of UI and application development, then you go Android or Windows Mobile. Additionally, if you need a "true" business device (sorry, folks; a virtual keyboard doesn't cut it at the moment) that works well with Exchange and helps you get things done, then you stick to Windows Mobile or Blackberry (which is just as closed in as the iPhone is).
I loved the iPhone, but the virtual keyboard and "closed-ness" of the platform turned me off to it. Further, I realized that after jailbreaking and customizing it, it becomse just as slow and unreliable as any other smartphone. I also really, really, really wanted additional storage space. (8GB is NOT enough.) Windows Mobile is definitely old hat in this game, but the fact that it still works incredibly well and still offers a very useful tool set (for me) makes it the right choice.

oh dude, u might be typing iphone-developers.com

shyamk26 said:
hey guys...im plannin to buy an iphone 3g....does anybody know how to unlock it....
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