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will touch diamond support Windows mobile 7?

seems that wm7 will be released in the next 6 months?
here is the notice
http://mobilitysite.com/2008/06/android-winmo-devices-in-the-next-6-months/
my question is someone knows if it possible diamond have wm7?
i´m going to buy one diamond and it´ll be great if he can support wm7
thanks

will holland win the European championship.............
we do not know what will happen in the future.

gt500 said:
seems that wm7 will be released in the next 6 months?
here is the notice
http://mobilitysite.com/2008/06/android-winmo-devices-in-the-next-6-months/
my question is someone knows if it possible diamond have wm7?
i´m going to buy one diamond and it´ll be great if he can support wm7
thanks
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Interesting, but I'm positive instead of upgrading the diamond, most people will just buy the new HTC (Probably a Touch) with WM7.

WM7 will be released at the beginning of 2009. Porbably announced earlier.
It is very likely that the Touch Diamond can run wm7 without problems. But nobody can tell you now...
Since HTC is planning for a WM7 device, they will not offer WM7 as a free upgrade for the TouchDiamond. If enough people buy the touch diamond they might offer this update for some money. Else we have to hope for some good "cooking" from the developers here in the forum...

very likely based on what?
If it's as much of an overhaul as Microsoft are saying it will be, then I'd say not supported. Will probably need a better touch screen.
Rory

withouth support for hardware features like
accelorometer and multitouch it would prob
be a kinda poor experience if it does

rorydaredkign said:
very likely based on what?
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Good question
That's why I said: Very likely...
You might as well ask: What might WM7 change that makes it very unlikely that the Touch Diamond will not be albe to run it...

I asked HTC about the Diamond2 WM7 upgrade and they answered this:
"At the moment windows mobile 7 is unknown at this time. I can not give you the exact date when it will release. But I know that there will be a new upgrade will be available soon."
So is this good or bad?

Windows Mobile 7 has high requirements... check out http://www.intomobile.com/2009/05/12/microsoft-pink-specs-windows-mobile-7-requirements-leak.html. The Diamond's 192MB ROM isn't even close to the 512MB required. Although, when it comes out, I have a feeling that our hackers will debloat it and make it run.
But it won't be official, that's for sure.
~codeslicer

i have see on youtube many videos with diamond and Winmo7 but its very slow at this time but its work!
You will have winmo7 on your Diamond than wait its nut funny at this time
Here are 2 Videos. The first Video i think thats real its slow but the last Video is so fast i think thats a fake :S
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Cv85Z2O5jk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm7UZ71uQHs&feature=related

the second video is an APP runs on WM6.5 it's name is THE HOST and it is in 1.5 version now. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=685928

As mentioned earlier the requirements are not close enough to W7p, and if you have run xdandroid, the performance is okay but not there yet.
I have seen W7p theme for android, I have tried it and it seems pretty cool
Examples:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8119626#post8119626
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=864034

That first video looks amazing. Although I didn't expect WP7 to run sooo slowly.

gt500 said:
seems that wm7 will be released in the next 6 months?
here is the notice
http://mobilitysite.com/2008/06/android-winmo-devices-in-the-next-6-months/
my question is someone knows if it possible diamond have wm7?
i´m going to buy one diamond and it´ll be great if he can support wm7
thanks
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I think we might be able to install a windows 7 rom on Diamond altough it might not function properly because WM7 needs a lot more RAM and processing speed compared to WM6.1 and 6.5.

BIG BRAINS Reply
The real question is, why would you want to run such crippled software on such nice hardware? Windows Mobile 7 is five huge steps back from real Windows Mobile.
- 2 Bunny

I will work like crap.
A HTC Diamond barely manages to run a W6.5...It does run , but very slow and annoying.
Would`nt recommend going W7 on a Diamond , unless you have nerves of steel ^^

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The real question is, why would you want to run such crippled software on such nice hardware? Windows Mobile 7 is five huge steps back from real Windows Mobile.
I might also add that it has not been done. Probably won't either, because nobody wants to downgrade their handheld.
- 2 Bunny

Hi
Can i have wp7 IN my Diamond ?

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Torres 9 said:
Hi
Can i have wp7 IN my Diamond ?
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Nope. Nobody bothered to port it over because it would be completely pointless. Whats in it for you to downgrade anyway?
- 2 Bunny

Android on Xperia

Hi everybody!
Why should be the device bricking fun limited to brother Raphael?
Android runs on Raphael
HardSPL is being worked on
Sounds promising?
Unfortunately I know little about how far the Xperia diverges from the current HTC branded lineup, hardware-wise.
Could some knowledgeable people share their opinion about porting Android onto Xperia e.g:
Booting linux (SD, MSM7200A vs MSM7201A ...)
Display (~ Blackstone?)
Keyboard (~ Raphael?)
Touchscreen (~ Blackstone?)
Cellular radio driver (~ Raphael? US / Asia / Eu?)
Wifi, B/T (~ Raphael?)
Buttons
GPS (~ Raphael?)
MSM7200A "3D" acceleration, FM radio?
Potential show stoppers?
Thank you!
UPDATE:
I extended the Xperia wiki page with some specifications (because alot of... strange... specs are floating on the web)

Yea that would be awesome to have android on this super bad @ss hardware. We still need a hard SPL before we can flash anything though

romeo0119 said:
We still need a hard SPL before we can flash anything though
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yeah that is true .. hopefully oli, comnex, itsxda, or tom condon are working on something or atleast plan on doing one for this phone ...

The Xperia, uses the same CPU as the Raphael, the model numbers vary due to patent issues but you'll find that a euro x1 matches a euro Raphael etc.
The 3D acceleration is in fact a 128MB ATI Imageon (2300/2700G - not sure which, don't own the phone myself =P)

Scribe said:
The 3D acceleration is in fact a 128MB ATI Imageon (2300/2700G - not sure which, don't own the phone myself =P)
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Where did you get this info?
cheers

Scribe said:
The Xperia, uses the same CPU as the Raphael, the model numbers vary due to patent issues but you'll find that a euro x1 matches a euro Raphael etc.
The 3D acceleration is in fact a 128MB ATI Imageon (2300/2700G - not sure which, don't own the phone myself =P)
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I thought the 2700G was an intel accelerator, the one used on the Dell Axim? I might be completely worng, Ati might have the same model numbers, I don't know.

As you'll may know. I'm from the Android on Kaiser project.
My Xperia X1 will receive this Friday.
Then I'ma try to get Android 1.0 to work.
0.8 already works. Tested it on a Xperia teste deviece.
But don't know if 0.9 1.0 works.
More infor hopefully this weekend.

xmoo said:
As you'll may know. I'm from the Android on Kaiser project.
My Xperia X1 will receive this Friday.
Then I'ma try to get Android 1.0 to work.
0.8 already works. Tested it on a Xperia teste deviece.
But don't know if 0.9 1.0 works.
More infor hopefully this weekend.
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Wahey! nice one Xmoo

Very nice information, please keep us updated!

wow allready?? sounds sweet. But how did you flash it onto the phone?

ill buy the x1 only if andriod fully works?! because this combi will rock i hope any1 know what how en when?

Android will never fully work on the X1 because android needs a multitouch enabled display which the X1 doesnt have.
So it will always be somewhat limited...anyway, will be nice to try it out. I dont think there is an Anroid only ROM yet, afaik all the running Android versions on WM phones have to be started through WM.

toxical said:
Android will never fully work on the X1 because android needs a multitouch enabled display which the X1 doesnt have.
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This statement just doesn't make any sense.

echofloripa said:
This statement just doesn't make any sense.
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What about a reason why it doesnt make sense in your opinion ?
The t-mobile G1 has a capactive display that features multitouch, like the Iphone.
WM phones like the X1 or any other HTC WM Phone have traditional touch displays that dont support multitouch, so you would never be able to use android apps that need multitouch to work, or atleast cant use some of the features.

toxical said:
What about a reason why it doesnt make sense in your opinion ?
The t-mobile G1 has a capactive display that features multitouch, like the Iphone.
WM phones like the X1 or any other HTC WM Phone have traditional touch displays that dont support multitouch, so you would never be able to use android apps that need multitouch to work, or atleast cant use some of the features.
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He's probably right. Android itself is just an OS/platform and it's has no limit on what kind of touch panel you use.

Correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I know the G1 hasn't got multitouch. The captive touchscreen will most likely support it however this feature has yet to be implemented. As far as the avrage consumer concerns, it does not support multi-touch. Hence stating that android needs full multi-touch capability to work properly would be wrong, as I and probably you too consider the G1 fully functional.

well the screen DOES support multi-touch and the apps will come sooner or later.
Anyway, didnt want to spoil the fun, would also love to check that out, just wanted to point that out.

Got My Phone!!!

xmoo said:
Got My Phone!!!
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get on with it then, watchawaitinfor

ahh, I can't wait till the android comes out on this phone. Hope the porting goes smoothly.

[Question] WM6.5.3 ROM for Tattoo

Anyone know of an WM6.5.3 ROM development for the Tattoo?

Its not even rooted properly yet, and thus no custom roms at all...
Btw why would you wanna use WM?

ebsbow said:
Anyone know of an WM6.5.3 ROM development for the Tattoo?
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Are you sure you're in the right forum ?

Why WM ? WHY!!??

mainfram3 said:
Are you sure you're in the right forum ?
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jejeej if it has not been achieved in this forum, I think that is not achieved in either ... I think the confusion is not a forum, could be the phone

Windows Mobile can't be ported on the Tattoo. And that's that. End of story.

Don't see why not.
WM on the Tattoo: The sequel..
Its an HTC device and uses mostly the same components as other models.
Porting isn't really what is needed here. Just need to get it to run.
That goes vice versa.
edit:
Ah, you are an Mac user. Then this will be hard

my 2 cents:
If you wanted WM, you should had bought a Touch2.
That's the WM Tattoo cousin, with same specs and all...
Cheers

Why make windows 95/3.11 run on an mobile?
Why make Android run on other htc devices?
Why make linux run on other htc devices?
Why make WM run on the Tattoo?
Comm'n guy's don't be so reluctant, we are developers here.

i have seen on endgadget or gizmodo(i dont remembeer) few days a go a kirf of htc tatto running win mo 6.5.3
btw the specs of this litlle monster were not the same as the tattoo
here is the link
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/21/keepin-it-real-fake-part-ccliv-htc-tattoo-joins-the-winmo-gan/
cheers

t0nil0 said:
i have seen on endgadget or gizmodo(i dont remembeer) few days a go a kirf of htc tatto running win mo 6.5.3
btw the specs of this litlle monster were not the same as the tattoo
here is the link
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/21/keepin-it-real-fake-part-ccliv-htc-tattoo-joins-the-winmo-gan/
cheers
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:lol: That's awesome!

ebsbow said:
Don't see why not.
WM on the Tattoo: The sequel..
Its an HTC device and uses mostly the same components as other models.
Porting isn't really what is needed here. Just need to get it to run.
That goes vice versa.
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Ah, you are an Mac user. Then this will be hard
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wm on tattoo == a step backwards in technological advancement
that would be about the worthless thing that could happen to the tattoo

What technological advancement are you referring to..?
If you are referring to the fact that Android is Google,
then please enlighten us what so great that we need to
spare the Tattoo from Windows Mobile..
Developers are indiscriminate when it come to brand.
I have these devices because I love the hardware and we can
do stuff with it. We can develop, experiment, tool them and if done
right, make money on them.
Admire htc for developing these devices for us, not Google, MS or Apple.

Serioulsy, what the **** ?
You have an Open-source firmware on your phone, and you want to remplace it with a closed-source ?
You've a firmware totally independent of any firm, or society, and you want to remplace it with a totally-dependent-of-microsoft-firmware ?
You are root on your phone, and you want to change for a phone on wich you are just a user ?
Seriously !

I think I understand what ebsbow is trying to explain to us. IMO, as long as it is for development purpose only, then I can agree. But I don't feel that WM can be fully implemented on the Tattoo, and don't think it'll be suitable for day-to-day use.

I think ebsbow got a point here. This is a dev site, not a fanboy site which support the back of a specific os just because it is better (according to some). If there is a way to implement windows mobile on the tattoo, then why not? Where is the harm in that? You dont like it, then dont use it. Itll be just a break through.
If you happen to hate a specific os, it is just a personal opinion. Just hold back from clicking on the forum. Xda dev is about development, not about refraining development just because some dont like the direction in which it is pointing.
But for now I think that porting windows mobile to the tattoo is far away. We are still in a very undeveloped stage of getting root. And also, thanks to all the devs who invested their spare time in this, a huge work has been done. Lets just hope that we soon get a stable state of root which doesnt get lost on reboot and that give us true root capabilities.

I don't think the stock Tattoo having root has anything to do with installing a new OS. Then again, I ain't a developer, and I don't know **** about developing WM for an officially unsupported device.

Of course mate. I just meant that the devs have their plate full right now

yash08 said:
Of course mate. I just meant that the devs have their plate full right now
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Okay, I'll release my windows mobile curse and admit that I do have some thoughts into Windows Mobile on the tattoo:
To be honest, Windows Mobile could be ported to the Tattoo/Click. WM could live on a SD Card, and the bootloader (HardSPL?) bootstraps the code from the SDCard to boot the WM environment or have a boot menu saying "Press Left to boot Android 1.6/2.x or right to boot Windows Mobile 5/6/7"
However, you'll face these problems:
1. Driver Support, you'd have to hack WM extensively to get support for phone and related components unless the drivers could be ported from the Touch/Touch2.
2. Not a native WM device. This could lead to Windows Mobile crying it's eyes out when the device crashes. "Mummy, I want my device rebooted". (lol bad joke, but hey )
3. Apps. Would they support the Tattoo's screen res? Parts could be missing off the screen and whatnot.
4. SD Card wear and tear. Could WM burn that MicroSD card up if you use it extensively? Windows can really tear up a SSD HDD if you abuse it, but a MicroSD has a tiny chip that runs the show.
5. Who's gonna support you when your WM/Android hybrid phone blows up and you need a replacement, and HTC rejects it due to "unsupported mods"?
Anyway, that's my few cents. I hope this helps you WM fangirls/fanboys.

Here is some progression on the htc Niki::
[23 FEB] Android Eclair 2.1 for HTC Niki - Work still in progress:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=637586
[APP][04FEB10]Gen.Y DualBOOT v1.0.5.0[W|Q|VGA][CAB|EXT]:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=623792
[18 FEB] New Android on HTC Touch-Dual *NIKI* --UPDATED
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=634572

any news about official rom 2.1?,

any news about official rom 2.1?

nope.
No news.

I've sent a e-mail to HTC officials
They replied me that there no project about android2.1 on tattoo

Qoome said:
I've sent a e-mail to HTC officials
They replied me that there no project about android2.1 on tattoo
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Maybe they go 2.2

I don't know.
I think HTC don't develop any ROM's.
But we can develop some good ROM's.
Now we have to develop linux Debian .

Thank you for your inquiry regarding the interests you have with our product, the HTC Tattoo. I can understand how important it is to be able to fully utilize your device and be able to have the 2.1 Android Operating System.
Unfortunately, at this time there is no Update to the 2.1 Android Operating System Update. This Update will be sent to your device via email or text message when it is available.
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Response I got from HTC.

In other words: this will never happen...
Let's see if FroYo really supports different screen resolutions...this would solve our problems in getting a decent upgrade...

Would HTC tattoo be able to run Froyo?

TheSSJ said:
In other words: this will never happen...
Let's see if FroYo really supports different screen resolutions...this would solve our problems in getting a decent upgrade...
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Oh where did you hear that possibility? That would be wonderful

Don't know anymore, but this information could just be another rumor, so be careful with spreading this info

no
i called the service desk, "highly unlikely" but htc is thinking about it

Just wait!
I heard about the HTC Wildfire with QVGA screen coming soon with 2.1 or later
>>> The tattoo has a chance.
And here
http://androidforums.com/htc-tattoo/27573-android-2-1-confirmed-tattoo-ish.html

Yeah...Tattoo and Wildfire have all the same exept wilds 384 ram and tattoos 256 and screen is bigger i think like desire's...but same in resolution and thats our hope )
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Wildfire is to Desire what the HD Mini is to HD2.
It is smaller, less RAM, lower res screen, slower CPU.
Still looks like it will be a top notch device though!

Deni_NS said:
Yeah...Tattoo and Wildfire have all the same exept wilds 384 ram and tattoos 256 and screen is bigger i think like desire's...but same in resolution and thats our hope )
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Resolution is not the problem... that works... the problem is camera and BT... but this is different in wildfire so no go.

If I don't see either a custom 2.1 working ROM (by working I mean everything working), or a RUU for 2.x from HTC, it'll be curtains for my HTC Tattoo. (I'll still build AzusaROM though and test the ROM on it until it bricks).
I'm thinking of getting a Nexus One at the end of the year.

Coburn64 said:
If I don't see either a custom 2.1 working ROM (by working I mean everything working), or a RUU for 2.x from HTC, it'll be curtains for my HTC Tattoo. (I'll still build AzusaROM though and test the ROM on it until it bricks).
I'm thinking of getting a Nexus One at the end of the year.
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Yeah, I thought so too, because since the Nexus is a Google Phone the new Android versions will be compatible with this phone for a long period of time I assume...

Hope is the best medicine for this sort of situation... Lets see devs at xda are trying hard to get it sorted..
You can always contribute in 2.1 development by visiting this forum.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=674269

DFT TEAM has Android working on Nand PRO2

DFT team has released a video of Android running on nand pro2
RHO's CPU is too slow and screen resolution too high for sense, so we decide to make pure Android ROM based on Android 2.2
youtube.com/watch?v=yOGnQ3D5IDk

wow
hey , sound good,
i hope working an topaz,too
i think they both phones have similar technical data.
i dont understand why cpu is to slow, lenin reds built with sense
run much more faster from sdcard than this nand built ????
btw good work from the DFT Team , thx

hello there. let's hope topaz, aka touch diamond2, wont be forgotten.
I'll be willing to pay for good working rom

sounds promising
waiting for more updates

Hopefully it will be working on our phones as well.
BTW, one of the comments said to be using Neopeek's android roms. Can someone post a link, I must have missed them.

loadstone007 said:
Hopefully it will be working on our phones as well.
BTW, one of the comments said to be using Neopeek's android roms. Can someone post a link, I must have missed them.
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Click here. Anyway its a little bit outdated but try it and be sure to update kernel, rootfs,...

ReWind402 said:
Click here. Anyway its a little bit outdated but try it and be sure to update kernel, rootfs,...
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Thanks!
It's indeed outdated, perhaps I should just wait.

thijsdgier said:
RHO's CPU is too slow and screen resolution too high for sense, so we decide to make pure Android ROM based on Android 2.2
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Well, i don't know if this will be the same decision for topaz. But if yes then it's a bad bad info for me
I just hate pure android and sense in android rocks!!
I also don't understand this because i have lenin build and it's fasttt from sdcard!!!
Shouldn't be even faster from nand??
Anyway thanks for all who make this possible even if it no feet my needs!!
Thank you

Zimaia said:
Shouldn't be even faster from nand??
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AFAIK nand is not faster than sd-method. But it would allow you too get rid off winmo.

actually guys, your phone won't improve that much after NAND. believe me i'm hd2 user and i have used android since first versions based off xdandroid..
as far as speed goes, read/write is actually faster on sdcard!
only andvantage of nand is stability and power consumption, ofcourse after all quirks are polished.
qc's 528 msm's are too slow to run sense well. it can get slow even on 1ghz. wvga is too much to handle, and sense is very ram sensitive! maybe if someone could get it upscaled from hvga, but in that case it would be streched..
i also own both diamonds(I and II) and i would love to see winmo gone. but on good port like leo(feels like native device) we had advantage of few devices with same components built in and much work being already done, and i do not see wvga android with small screen and 528mhz released by htc.
i'm just being realistic here, not mean or anything else.

1 - Topaz is very small mobile phone. I am don't wants to use such big phone like HD2.
2 - Battary life in topaz is more longer
3 - It have smaler screan and that is why it is more clear.

Airpil said:
1 - Topaz is very small mobile phone. I am don't wants to use such big phone like HD2.
2 - Battary life in topaz is more longer
3 - It have smaler screan and that is why it is more clear.
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you misunderstood my post, i'm just tryin to say how thing are and hd2 was best example i could think of. i like my diamonds very much. first gen was really awesome on looks, but low on hardware(slow and small ram..etc).
i wish there will be some goodies from dft soon

stirkac said:
actually guys, your phone won't improve that much after NAND. believe me i'm hd2 user and i have used android since first versions based off xdandroid..
as far as speed goes, read/write is actually faster on sdcard!
only andvantage of nand is stability and power consumption, ofcourse after all quirks are polished.
qc's 528 msm's are too slow to run sense well. it can get slow even on 1ghz. wvga is too much to handle, and sense is very ram sensitive! maybe if someone could get it upscaled from hvga, but in that case it would be streched..
i also own both diamonds(I and II) and i would love to see winmo gone. but on good port like leo(feels like native device) we had advantage of few devices with same components built in and much work being already done, and i do not see wvga android with small screen and 528mhz released by htc.
i'm just being realistic here, not mean or anything else.
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quited d2 and joined moto defy~~~

What happened to this project??? I didn't see MAGLDR

Black.Heart said:
What happened to this project??? I didn't see MAGLDR
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It was closed-source, and I don't believe they ever made a public release. Since none of the code is available to the public, no other dev can pickup where they left off...
Crappy model to go with. Were still pushing forward with NAND using open source concepts, and RHOD is getting there (just very slowly). I'm hoping each device will have at least one dev that will step up and get the dirty work done to look towards NAND on all devices... but that hasn't happened yet. There's not even that much (developer) steam behind NAND on RHOD...

arrrghhh said:
It was closed-source, and I don't believe they ever made a public release. Since none of the code is available to the public, no other dev can pickup where they left off...
Crappy model to go with. Were still pushing forward with NAND using open source concepts, and RHOD is getting there (just very slowly). I'm hoping each device will have at least one dev that will step up and get the dirty work done to look towards NAND on all devices... but that hasn't happened yet. There's not even that much (developer) steam behind NAND on RHOD...
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I am very much upset with that you are right!