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[SOLVED] once rooted always rooted?

First of all forgive me if this question as been asked a million times but to be honest I'm finding the Dream section a mess.
Now onto my question.... I've rooted my G1 and I'm currently running JF 1.51 with hero skin, now I'm I correct that I will always be rooted as long as I stick to custom roms?
The other thing is when I go into recovery mode I get a message at the top of the screen something like "Unable to find /system/command/recovery.cmd" am I correct that means I'm unable to proform backups? which is no big deal for me.
Finally whats the deal with this new spl, do I really need it to run a hero ported rom? I only ask because in all my years flashing windows phones the spl is something you should flash once and leave alone to avoid errors that can brick your phone.

Yes you will always be rooted. Not really sure on the recovery thing...You might want to try to fix that by flashing another recovery image. Yes you need the new spl to run the hero ROM since its HUGE

alritewhadeva said:
Yes you will always be rooted. Not really sure on the recovery thing...You might want to try to fix that by flashing another recovery image. Yes you need the new spl to run the hero ROM since its HUGE
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Thanks for the fast reply, as for the recovery thing like I said I would never back anything up and restore it anyway (I've always started afresh with every new rom)
Now going back to the spl thing.... Ive already updated my radio to the latest so when I do finally go for a hero rom and do flash my spl is the new spl a custom one which will allow me to reflash back down to a non-hero rom? or do I have to go back to the orginal hardspl first?

The new SPL was released by haykuro and it allows you to have about 30 more mb of space on your system partition. It still allows you to flash non-hero ROMs as well as hero ROMs. Sorry for the slow response >.>

Thanks alritewhadeva everything is clearer now.

choice of recovery images

after flashing DREAMIMG.nbh, do i have to use the recovery image provided in the instructions at section two, step 1?
or can i use any recovery image? such as cyanogen's?

I would use JF's Recovery while you're getting everything set up. Flashing the radio, rom and SPL. The after you've got compfortable use cyanogen's. The only reason I say this is because Cyabogen's has some issues with flashing Haykuro's SPL, and possibly others. You might be fine with Cyanogens from the offset, but I'd play it safe with JF (although I might be worrying about nothing).

themadbogart said:
after flashing DREAMIMG.nbh, do i have to use the recovery image provided in the instructions at section two, step 1?
or can i use any recovery image? such as cyanogen's?
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themadbogart<funny name> I would do what AdrianK said... get it all setup first following the root directions that you are using... once you feel comfortable doing that read how to do the new radio... and then move to Cyanogen's new recovery image... but READ up on how to 1st... and if you don't need the new Haykuro SPL then don't use it... Most of all the Hero based ROMS require it... due to the size of the ROM... plain and simple it has bricked many a phone and you can find info on the "bricked" phones as well... Good luck to you and if you get stuck don't continue alone come back and read... read.... read... read!
peace

fair enough. i just wanted to know that i wasn't stuck using the supplied recovery image.

themadbogart said:
fair enough. i just wanted to know that i wasn't stuck using the supplied recovery image.
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There are some people running into trouble with installing his recovery. I was unable to go to cyans directly from stock but the upgrade from jf's recovery went fine.

1 Click Rooting...

Ok I've done the 1 Click Root process. The problem is, I totally UNrooted my phone before I did the 1 click root. I tried to load a Hero rom I got off the www.theunlockr.com website but I had to update the SPL which bricked my phone. I did wipe first so thats not the problem. I don't know what went wrong when I bricked my phone. I am getting a new from t-mobile(I kinda told them the donut 1.6 update screwed my phone up).
Now I want to root again with the 1 click but do I need to go back to the original build RC29 build or whatever it was in order to root with the 1 click ? And when I flash to a new rom do I need to update the SPL again?

READ FIRST!! I dont know where so search. I dont feel like finding you all the guides warnings and post about it. There are many precautions to take while flashing hero and even if you follow all of them to the "T" you still have a big chance of bricking your phone so use the Search Bar

nickryan0612 said:
READ FIRST!! I dont know where so search. I dont feel like finding you all the guides warnings and post about it. There are many precautions to take while flashing hero and even if you follow all of them to the "T" you still have a big chance of bricking your phone so use the Search Bar
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The thing is I've flashed all sorts of rom's before, but I wanted to try the 1 click rooting process. I think what happened is I flashed the SPL before I flashed the updated radio. I was doing some research on the whole thing. I flashed the SPL first.

if you use the DREAIMG.nbh to go back to rc-29, it is really easier to use the telnet commands then it is to root with the one click imo, you can use one-click root, but you have to find the newer version of the recovery flasher, and if you use it and don't flash a custom rom, then the system will overwrite the custom recovery image with the stock one. if you use the telnet commands then you will overwrite the stock recovery image with a custom one, so the telnet commands are more stable
to update your spl, make sure you have a pvt board in bootloader (camera and power) and that your radio is 2.22.19.26I (make sure you have that radio, not just assume after you flash it) then you can get rid of all the user error in flashing the 1.33.2005 SPL.

xOneSainTx said:
The thing is I've flashed all sorts of rom's before, but I wanted to try the 1 click rooting process. I think what happened is I flashed the SPL before I flashed the updated radio. I was doing some research on the whole thing. I flashed the SPL first.
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Were you already rooted when you did the 1 click root? - if you were then that might have been were the mess up happened because once you do the one click root you have to flash a rom (probabably cyanogen would be best) to continue or you lose root.
Following that question if you were already rooted and had hard spl and new radio - the one click might have cause you to lose that.
You have to flash from hard spl to danger spl
Radio should be newest or second to newest
Also it is said to flash hero rom right after flashing spl. - Which means not turning off your phone or rebooting after flashing
- I saw a video were they were at the rainbow boot screen and they flashed the Danger Spl and then inserted a new sd card that had hero and flashed it without rebooting.
Read up more on this

is one click still ok ?
I've had my G1 for about a yr now. Watching the mods grow . Never had thought about rooting just because I didn't want to have to keep changing to keep up to date. Then the one click came out and it was time. Ordered my 8gig class6 sd and before I got it Google did this C&D to CY. I see people saying they are doing the 1 click method and the links they put on are before the C&D. Can it still work ? Also everyone who tries to give directions how to get root and roms are different. Even this thread has been changed or something was left out. Is there a true one click method ? I tried theUnlockr way 3 times and I still wound upwith a wiped phone. Please Help Me ...

nPHILLY said:
I've had my G1 for about a yr now. Watching the mods grow . Never had thought about rooting just because I didn't want to have to keep changing to keep up to date. Then the one click came out and it was time. Ordered my 8gig class6 sd and before I got it Google did this C&D to CY. I see people saying they are doing the 1 click method and the links they put on are before the C&D. Can it still work ? Also everyone who tries to give directions how to get root and roms are different. Even this thread has been changed or something was left out. Is there a true one click method ? I tried theUnlockr way 3 times and I still wound upwith a wiped phone. Please Help Me ...
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one click will not work in donut 1.6. it will be patched, there is a thorough guide in my sig. i also have links i can give you for cm 4.0.4 and 4.1.11.1 if you want them.

1-click root only works with CRC1 and lower. Personally, I prefer to downgrade to RC29 and manually root it. I've done it about 20 times that way and have never once had an issue. In fact, I did it last night and today that way and both phones are rooted with Hero ROMs and running perfectly.
My advice, find a good tutorial (there are plenty, particularly the stickies on XDA on the subject) and download all necessary files ahead of time so that you aren't stuck in the middle of rooting looking for a file. If you want to flash the update "Danger" SPL, there is a combination radio/spl so that bricking is less likely. Search XDA for it. Also, check if you have PVT board first (camera+power). If not, brick it you will (or more than likely will). If I had to guess the main reason for problems and bricks it is that people rush the process and skip steps because they started the process without reading the whole tutorial.

nickryan0612 said:
Were you already rooted when you did the 1 click root? - if you were then that might have been were the mess up happened because once you do the one click root you have to flash a rom (probabably cyanogen would be best) to continue or you lose root.
Following that question if you were already rooted and had hard spl and new radio - the one click might have cause you to lose that.
You have to flash from hard spl to danger spl
Radio should be newest or second to newest
Also it is said to flash hero rom right after flashing spl. - Which means not turning off your phone or rebooting after flashing
- I saw a video were they were at the rainbow boot screen and they flashed the Danger Spl and then inserted a new sd card that had hero and flashed it without rebooting.
Read up more on this
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I was rooted before I did the one click but I downgraded to RC29 with DREAIMG.nbh file. I did the 1 click process fine. I figured that what fxcked up my phone is that i flashed the custom SPL before I flashed the new radio first. I'm pretty sure thats what messed it up. I wanted to the Amon Ra's Recovery image and I didn't know how install that with out doing the 1 click root process.

ya if you flash spl before raidio that's what messed you up ! always radio first then spl . but you know that now .can you get in recovery at all ?

lucky 69 said:
ya if you flash spl before raidio that's what messed you up ! always radio first then spl . but you know that now .can you get in recovery at all ?
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No I can't get passed the G1 boot screen. Its ok though T-Mo is sending me a "LIKE NEW" G1. I told them the donut update screwed my phone up. I can't believe I did the SPL first but its a mistake that could have cost me more then a 19.95 delivery fee that IS being waived by T-Mo.
But heres the question with 1 click root do I need to downgrade to RC29 or no?

xOneSainTx said:
No I can't get passed the G1 boot screen. Its ok though T-Mo is sending me a "LIKE NEW" G1. I told them the donut update screwed my phone up. I can't believe I did the SPL first but its a mistake that could have cost me more then a 19.95 delivery fee that IS being waived by T-Mo.
But heres the question with 1 click root do I need to downgrade to RC29 or no?
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no just be on stock cupcake and use the 1 click root. Then when you did that go into recovery and flash a rom that is not hero or requires danger spl

nickryan0612 said:
no just be on stock cupcake and use the 1 click root. Then when you did that go into recovery and flash a rom that is not hero or requires danger spl
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Sounds good. Before screwing things up I always had good success in flashing roms trying multiple roms in a day. My favorite is the xRom. I am curious to see if eventually there will be a Cliq rom.

Upgrading to Haykuro SPL

I am looking into upgrading to the Haykuro SPL since it works for all ROMs and the HardSPL doesn't work for all ROMs, but I am worried about bricking. According to what I've read, and on Haykuro's website, I need to
1. Flash Latest Radio
2. Flash Special SPL
I've already flashed the new radio, do I need to do it again then flash the SPL back to back, or am I OK since I already have the radio.
I just want to do it right so I don't brick.
Thanks.

which radio did you flash? htc or haykuro?
you should flash the haykuro radio again just to be safe, but it doesnt have to be back to back as long as you have the haykuro radio. Make sure its the 26I radio by booting into the spl

that's the one 26I, but I made do it again just to make sure. Will not hurt huh? Thanks

raptoro07 said:
that's the one 26I, but I made do it again just to make sure. Will not hurt huh? Thanks
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Flash it again if you wan't, personally I wouldn't. No reason to, and every time you flash the Radio or SPL, whether you meet the requirements or not there's always a tiny, minute chance something could go wrong.
As long as you have the 26i radio, you'll be fine.
If you're using cyans recovery make sure you flash it using alt-s then reboot using home+back. Do NOT touch the trackball, if you don't use alt-s, home+back it will not be flashed correctly. It won't brick, it just simply won't install.
Good luck, you'll be fine. I spent over an hour flashing Danger because I was sh*ting myself worrying about bricking, but it went fine
Afterwards you wont we able to boot the phone because the nand has been formatted and partitioned. If you boot in to recovery and type 'ums_enable' you will be able to copy a rom to your SD card, then 'ums_disable' to unmount.
That alt-s, home+back thingmajig only applies for radios and SPLs, nothing else.

Well the reason i told him to flash the radio again is because some people are actually bricking when using the stock 26I radio. IDK if its cause they are noob or because there is some problem with it, so its safer to reflash.

Hey Dookie (NCSU here), are you just dying to flash a hero rom or something? I'm not certain if it is true, but I read if you flash the Danger SPL, you may be stuck with that one and not be able to flash another.
I'd be cautious, hero is not worth being stuck with that SPL or a brick in my opinion.

you can revert the SPL, nothing is keeping it tied it on there

Questions before i root my G1

I bought a G1 2 days ago and i've been reading a lots of tutorials on how to root the phone, i have hacked/Modified every phone i've had so far (Motorola/Sony Ericsson/Nokia) and i would like to do the same with my G1 (That;s why i bought it for) the problem is that every tutorial i see wants me to downgrade to RC29 which isn't complicated but the problem is that it has the DMD64 update.
1- Is the rooting process the same for DMD64 or do i need something special to downgrade? i read about the goldcard but i also heard it was not necessary all the time.
2- Since this is my first time rooting , is there a way to make sure i don't brick my phone? like making a backup of the OS or whatever i need to fix it in case i brick it.
3-What are the latest/best files to root it things like Recovery, ROM, SPL (i don't fully understand what this is and how it is different from the recovery)
Thank You.

Frodcord said:
I bought a G1 2 days ago and i've been reading a lots of tutorials on how to root the phone, i have hacked/Modified every phone i've had so far (Motorola/Sony Ericsson/Nokia) and i would like to do the same with my G1 (That;s why i bought it for) the problem is that every tutorial i see wants me to downgrade to RC29 which isn't complicated but the problem is that it has the DMD64 update.
1- Is the rooting process the same for DMD64 or do i need something special to downgrade? i read about the goldcard but i also heard it was not necessary all the time.
2- Since this is my first time rooting , is there a way to make sure i don't brick my phone? like making a backup of the OS or whatever i need to fix it in case i brick it.
3-What are the latest/best files to root it things like Recovery, ROM, SPL (i don't fully understand what this is and how it is different from the recovery)
Thank You.
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1: I have no idea if the rooting process is the same for DMD64 or not, but I do not see why it would be any different. But, I could be wrong. I was lucky enough to have RC29 when I purchased mine.
2: The only thing that you can do to make sure you do not brick your phone is to FOLLOW EACH STEP CAREFULLY! Do not skip steps, or add your own. This mainly applies to flashing the Radio and SPL. If you f*ck that up, you're bricked, heh.
3: This confused me at first as well.
What is a SPL? The SPL, or Second Program Loader, in conjunction with the IPL comprise a device's bootloader. Aside from bootstrapping Android, the bootloader also fulfills various diagnostic functions. One of these functions is the manipulation of data in the device's internal flash ram. Depending on the SPL installed, the user can apply a signed NBH file, flash nand images, and more. Note that the SPL is installed and operates independently of the Android build that runs atop it.
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The recovery is kind of like pressing F8 when you are booting into Windows. It lets you make changes to your system, w/o booting the the complete Operating System (The Android OS in this case). Using the recovery menu, you can flash new ROMs, format your SD card, enable the USB Mass Storage so you can see the SD card within windows, do a factory reset on the device, open up a terminal to manually input commands, perform a backup of your device (you can back up most everything on it) which allows you to restore from that backup if you mess something up.
But, then there is your FastBoot screen as well. FastBoot is where you need to be to flash your SPL and Radio. I am not 100% sure as to the correct order of the flashing off the top of my head, but google around (or simply search this forum), and you will find all the info you need.
Not all ROMs require you to have the "Danger/Haykuro/Death SPL" though. Many of them will work on a stock SPL. However, if you do feel the need to try one of the ROMs that require you to use the Death SPL, you can find all the information about it here: http://code.google.com/p/android-roms/wiki/SPL.
Good luck with your new G1, and do NOT be afraid to ask for help if you need it. Nobody likes to see one of these devices get bricked

Thanks a lot for helping me I thought that the recovery was the f8 in a computer too but I still have my doubts about the spl and the radio. I'll try to root my phone tomorrow i'll give you guys an update after I get to 1.5.
Wish me luck xD.

Frodcord said:
Thanks a lot for helping me I thought that the recovery was the f8 in a computer too but I still have my doubts about the spl and the radio. I'll try to root my phone tomorrow i'll give you guys an update after I get to 1.5.
Wish me luck xD.
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Remember, always RADIO BEFORE THE SPL. If you do decide to mess with SPL, make sure to flash engineering (or hard) first, and then flash Danger/Death SPL thru fastboot. This eliminates 99% chance of the brick.
Good luck.

borodin1 said:
Remember, always RADIO BEFORE THE SPL. If you do decide to mess with SPL, make sure to flash engineering (or hard) first, and then flash Danger/Death SPL thru fastboot. This eliminates 99% chance of the brick.
Good luck.
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Lol how is he going to know what fastboot/adb is? OP, don't mess with the SPL and radio until you know what your doing. Flash a rom like cyanogen or Enom's AOSP if you don't want to mess with them.

Ok I've done it i am running 1.5 now so if a person comes asking about DMD64 (G1) now you know what to say. You don't need a goldcard or something else just the dreaimg.nbh and there is nothing to worry about.
I still don't fully understand the SPL and Radio part so i'll keep reading until i am ready to use a custom ROM.

so just root DMD64 the normal way?