[SOLVED] once rooted always rooted? - G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

First of all forgive me if this question as been asked a million times but to be honest I'm finding the Dream section a mess.
Now onto my question.... I've rooted my G1 and I'm currently running JF 1.51 with hero skin, now I'm I correct that I will always be rooted as long as I stick to custom roms?
The other thing is when I go into recovery mode I get a message at the top of the screen something like "Unable to find /system/command/recovery.cmd" am I correct that means I'm unable to proform backups? which is no big deal for me.
Finally whats the deal with this new spl, do I really need it to run a hero ported rom? I only ask because in all my years flashing windows phones the spl is something you should flash once and leave alone to avoid errors that can brick your phone.

Yes you will always be rooted. Not really sure on the recovery thing...You might want to try to fix that by flashing another recovery image. Yes you need the new spl to run the hero ROM since its HUGE

alritewhadeva said:
Yes you will always be rooted. Not really sure on the recovery thing...You might want to try to fix that by flashing another recovery image. Yes you need the new spl to run the hero ROM since its HUGE
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Thanks for the fast reply, as for the recovery thing like I said I would never back anything up and restore it anyway (I've always started afresh with every new rom)
Now going back to the spl thing.... Ive already updated my radio to the latest so when I do finally go for a hero rom and do flash my spl is the new spl a custom one which will allow me to reflash back down to a non-hero rom? or do I have to go back to the orginal hardspl first?

The new SPL was released by haykuro and it allows you to have about 30 more mb of space on your system partition. It still allows you to flash non-hero ROMs as well as hero ROMs. Sorry for the slow response >.>

Thanks alritewhadeva everything is clearer now.

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Help..

I just tried to install the newest Haykuro SPL on my rooted G1, and now it stays at the T-Mobile screen. I can access the recovery utility, but when I press Home and Back to restart it just goes back the recovery menu..Any help?? Can I apply the offcial cupcake update?
First, please use the search feature of the forums and do plenty of research before attempting to mod your phone next time.
In recovery try wiping (alt+w) then reboot, If that doesn't work I'm out of ideas, search will probably return useful results as I've seen quite a few threads pertaining to issues with this SPL.
No my phone was already modded, it worked fine when I wrote over JF's 1.51. But when I tried to use this SPL it didn't work. I need to reflash over JF firmware for it to work. But I don't have a MicroSD Card Adapter, damn..
Can the G1 access via USB by putting it in BootLoader mode, or something??
I think(am no way certian tho) that you can access the sd via adb shell while in recovery mode, you'll need to do some looking into it tho. If I were you first thing tomarrow I'd pick up one of these even if you do manage to fix it by then. I use mine alot due to funking things up with modded themes and what not.
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Got it working, I reflashed it with JF's newest build. I wonder what I did wrong though when I tried flashing the latest Haykuro's SPL. I want to go to the newest Hero build but I am scared I might mess up my phone again.
Good to hear. I'd do alot more research before going any further. SPL's are where bricking turns from nearly impossible to easy as pie. Check out all the brick posts to see what NOT to do. Can be very helpful info.
ps. next time for pete's sake put something more useful than "help.." in the title of your thread.
First things first, check if you did get the spl to load. Turn off your phone and hold camera button and power. The screen that comes up should tell you what SPL you are using.
BigWorldJust said:
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Got it working, I reflashed it with JF's newest build. I wonder what I did wrong though when I tried flashing the latest Haykuro's SPL. I want to go to the newest Hero build but I am scared I might mess up my phone again.
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You didn't do anything 'wrong'. Flashing a new SPL repartitions your phones internal memory, destroying your ROM, thus requiring a ROM reflash after the SPL.
Honestly, what are you doing flashing a SPL when you do not understand what it does or how it works?
Excuse me Mr. Perfect. I didn't know that I had to reflash a ROM right on top of flashing the new SPL. Thus if what you are saying is true, I should have the new SPL than since I reinstalled the JF Rom?
BigWorldJust said:
Excuse me Mr. Perfect. I didn't know that I had to reflash a ROM right on top of flashing the new SPL. Thus if what you are saying is true, I should have the new SPL than since I reinstalled the JF Rom?
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Not trying to be a ****, but this is how people end up with bricks. Believe it or not, I'm actually trying to save you from doing that.
And yes, if you flashed the new SPL then JF's (or any ROM, really) than you still have the new SPL.
I know what you mean, I thought I had bricked it last night because of the SPL install. Alright I checked and indeed do have the new SPL. What ROM do you recommend using, that doesn't require Apps2SD as I cannot even use without a Class 6 MicroSD Card? JF's ROM is pretty bland, if you know what I mean.
wipe and re-flash the rom you want and please click the link in my sig
Thanks but what ROM do you recommend that doesn't require Apps2SD to run good and looks cool and customized? Does Cyanogen's require Apps2SD to run properly?
BigWorldJust said:
Thanks but what ROM do you recommend that doesn't require Apps2SD to run good and looks cool and customized? Does Cyanogen's require Apps2SD to run properly?
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yes a2sd works on 3.4.
but if you would like to know more about Cyanogen's rom... click the link to it!
also click the other link i have
Aight, one more question. Does it require Apps2SD to run properly though? Or can I install it and expect it to run good without Apps2SD ?
BigWorldJust said:
Aight, one more question. Does it require Apps2SD to run properly though? Or can I install it and expect it to run good without Apps2SD ?
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that was two questions btw...
1. NO!
2. YES!
LoL, sorry I meant two . Thanks for the help, I'll try The Dude's Cupcake 1.3RC1 first, and if I don't favor it I'll try Cyanogen's.

[Q] Few ROM and SPL Questions

I've got a few questions, hope no one minds answering. If it's a simple case of RTFM then lock the thread and trash.
1. I've rooted and am using the latest JF build but when I go to telnet I can't connect to localhost anymore. Is this normal?
2. I'm running stock SPL and Radio (not too sure what the radio is btw). Is it best I update before flashing anymore roms?
3. I'm wanting to flash to Cyanogen Mod rom, it looks a lot more complex than simply renaming the rom to update.zip then flashing. Is it safe to assume that there is a lot more work to do? (if so a general point in the right direction would be greatly appreciated).
I really appreciate any help.
Thanks
1. I'm not sure as it has been some time since I last used JF's build I'm afriad...
2. Its advisable at the very least to upgrade your radio (look at my signature for a link). You can upgrade your SPL too providing you have flashed the latest radio FIRST and that you are on a PVT motherboard.
Boot into the SPL to find that out (turn off/reboot the mobile, Hold CAMERA+POWER). It should say at the top.
3. To use Cyanogen's ROM its like flashing any other ROM. Just make sure you have the latest Radio FIRST. Also I believe it works fine for non Apps2SD users so no need to partition your SD card etc to use it.
Hope that helps.
Stock SPL? do you mean HARDSpL?
alritewhadeva said:
Stock SPL? do you mean HARDSpL?
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Unless it was updated while rooting it's probably "G1 Original SPL"
Thanks NeoBlade, I'll update the radio and spl tomorrow then probably try and get nandroid running so I've got a backup in case anything goes wrong.
No worries digital, just do your usual pre-checks before flashing the SPL and remember Radio first ^_-
You'll enjoy the new features and performance improvements using the latest cooked ROMs out there. Most of the info is in my signature but you can also flash the new Recovery image too by Cyanogen (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=523558).
Not only can you create a Nandroid backup from there, you can also restore it too all from your mobile ^_^
Not to be an @ssh*le, but if you root your phone don't you already have the HardSPL? If you follow Koush's guide you were told to flash the HardSPL which isn't the stock SPL at all. Care to shed some light on this?
He could have had the engineering SPL, I remember having that briefly myself in the early days. The main thing is that he just wants to run Cyanogen's ROM so as long as he updates the radio and flashes the ROM without issues it should be fine. Unlike some Hero ROMs it doesn't require the latest SPL to create space for the ROM.
Granted though, its often always nice to have the latest stuff ^_-
Ok well if you DECIDE to update to the latest radio and SPL just go to my guide below and go to the second post. That will tell you how to install the radio and spl updates!
Good luck!
Indeed ^_^ And once that's done, perhaps change the title to SOLVED so people know. We shall have to wait for digital to get back to us about it.
This is the guide I used:
http://haykuro.theiphoneproject.org/?page_id=35
Sorry alritewhadeva:
I'm on the HardSPL so I guess I don't need to bother updating that again. I didn't get to the point where it said to update to the newest radio.
Reading a bit further it also says that I can do a backup easily using adb which is already setup. At some point in the process it must have installed the things needed for nandroid backup. I think it was the recovery.img part.
Thanks for the great link Nephron, I used it before to setup adb on my netbook (running win7 on my main machine).
Before I flash the latest radio is it safe to do this *after* updating the spl?
Thanks for all the great help, I really appreciate it.
As a thumb of rule, always flash the radio first before the SPL and the ROM.
Tell us how it goes ^_^ If you've managedto do it, could you please edit the title then to add SOLVED? Good luck.
Soo do you have to flash the radio and SPL everytime you want to flash a rom??? i already have the latest radio, i just want to make sure i dont make a mistake
Tr1n1Jay said:
Soo do you have to flash the radio and SPL everytime you want to flash a rom??? i already have the latest radio, i just want to make sure i dont make a mistake
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No you don't. Only once... then kind of keep an eye on the forum to see if better radio or SPL comes along. So far I had to update my radio once. What recovery image do you have (home+power), is it still JF1.43? You should update that to CM 1.4, you get a lot more flexibility with that... read up on it in development forum. All in all, unless you plan to install Hero anytime soon (and I personally don't recommend it, too slow and buggy) you should be good with (in that very order)
1. Flashing newest RADIO (Haykuro has it in the link you provided, only need to do it once and you already did it!)
2. Flashing HardSPL (you already did that too! no need to do it again)
2. Updating your Recovery Image (once more, this only needs to be done once)
After that - flash any rom you feel like at any time you feel like doing it.
Hope that helps, good luck!
I agree with everything borodin1 said. If you're on a 1.5 ROM you really should have the new radio already, but you can always go back and flash it. Afterwards you'll want hard SPL or haykuro's. Haykuro's is what you'll need for most HTC based ROMs (Hero, Rogers). Most people brick when flashing Haykuro's ROM because they don't read. Aslong as you have the new radio and a PVT phone (go to the bootloader - home + camera - and it should say PVT) you will be fine.

1 Click Rooting...

Ok I've done the 1 Click Root process. The problem is, I totally UNrooted my phone before I did the 1 click root. I tried to load a Hero rom I got off the www.theunlockr.com website but I had to update the SPL which bricked my phone. I did wipe first so thats not the problem. I don't know what went wrong when I bricked my phone. I am getting a new from t-mobile(I kinda told them the donut 1.6 update screwed my phone up).
Now I want to root again with the 1 click but do I need to go back to the original build RC29 build or whatever it was in order to root with the 1 click ? And when I flash to a new rom do I need to update the SPL again?
READ FIRST!! I dont know where so search. I dont feel like finding you all the guides warnings and post about it. There are many precautions to take while flashing hero and even if you follow all of them to the "T" you still have a big chance of bricking your phone so use the Search Bar
nickryan0612 said:
READ FIRST!! I dont know where so search. I dont feel like finding you all the guides warnings and post about it. There are many precautions to take while flashing hero and even if you follow all of them to the "T" you still have a big chance of bricking your phone so use the Search Bar
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The thing is I've flashed all sorts of rom's before, but I wanted to try the 1 click rooting process. I think what happened is I flashed the SPL before I flashed the updated radio. I was doing some research on the whole thing. I flashed the SPL first.
if you use the DREAIMG.nbh to go back to rc-29, it is really easier to use the telnet commands then it is to root with the one click imo, you can use one-click root, but you have to find the newer version of the recovery flasher, and if you use it and don't flash a custom rom, then the system will overwrite the custom recovery image with the stock one. if you use the telnet commands then you will overwrite the stock recovery image with a custom one, so the telnet commands are more stable
to update your spl, make sure you have a pvt board in bootloader (camera and power) and that your radio is 2.22.19.26I (make sure you have that radio, not just assume after you flash it) then you can get rid of all the user error in flashing the 1.33.2005 SPL.
xOneSainTx said:
The thing is I've flashed all sorts of rom's before, but I wanted to try the 1 click rooting process. I think what happened is I flashed the SPL before I flashed the updated radio. I was doing some research on the whole thing. I flashed the SPL first.
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Were you already rooted when you did the 1 click root? - if you were then that might have been were the mess up happened because once you do the one click root you have to flash a rom (probabably cyanogen would be best) to continue or you lose root.
Following that question if you were already rooted and had hard spl and new radio - the one click might have cause you to lose that.
You have to flash from hard spl to danger spl
Radio should be newest or second to newest
Also it is said to flash hero rom right after flashing spl. - Which means not turning off your phone or rebooting after flashing
- I saw a video were they were at the rainbow boot screen and they flashed the Danger Spl and then inserted a new sd card that had hero and flashed it without rebooting.
Read up more on this
is one click still ok ?
I've had my G1 for about a yr now. Watching the mods grow . Never had thought about rooting just because I didn't want to have to keep changing to keep up to date. Then the one click came out and it was time. Ordered my 8gig class6 sd and before I got it Google did this C&D to CY. I see people saying they are doing the 1 click method and the links they put on are before the C&D. Can it still work ? Also everyone who tries to give directions how to get root and roms are different. Even this thread has been changed or something was left out. Is there a true one click method ? I tried theUnlockr way 3 times and I still wound upwith a wiped phone. Please Help Me ...
nPHILLY said:
I've had my G1 for about a yr now. Watching the mods grow . Never had thought about rooting just because I didn't want to have to keep changing to keep up to date. Then the one click came out and it was time. Ordered my 8gig class6 sd and before I got it Google did this C&D to CY. I see people saying they are doing the 1 click method and the links they put on are before the C&D. Can it still work ? Also everyone who tries to give directions how to get root and roms are different. Even this thread has been changed or something was left out. Is there a true one click method ? I tried theUnlockr way 3 times and I still wound upwith a wiped phone. Please Help Me ...
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one click will not work in donut 1.6. it will be patched, there is a thorough guide in my sig. i also have links i can give you for cm 4.0.4 and 4.1.11.1 if you want them.
1-click root only works with CRC1 and lower. Personally, I prefer to downgrade to RC29 and manually root it. I've done it about 20 times that way and have never once had an issue. In fact, I did it last night and today that way and both phones are rooted with Hero ROMs and running perfectly.
My advice, find a good tutorial (there are plenty, particularly the stickies on XDA on the subject) and download all necessary files ahead of time so that you aren't stuck in the middle of rooting looking for a file. If you want to flash the update "Danger" SPL, there is a combination radio/spl so that bricking is less likely. Search XDA for it. Also, check if you have PVT board first (camera+power). If not, brick it you will (or more than likely will). If I had to guess the main reason for problems and bricks it is that people rush the process and skip steps because they started the process without reading the whole tutorial.
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Were you already rooted when you did the 1 click root? - if you were then that might have been were the mess up happened because once you do the one click root you have to flash a rom (probabably cyanogen would be best) to continue or you lose root.
Following that question if you were already rooted and had hard spl and new radio - the one click might have cause you to lose that.
You have to flash from hard spl to danger spl
Radio should be newest or second to newest
Also it is said to flash hero rom right after flashing spl. - Which means not turning off your phone or rebooting after flashing
- I saw a video were they were at the rainbow boot screen and they flashed the Danger Spl and then inserted a new sd card that had hero and flashed it without rebooting.
Read up more on this
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I was rooted before I did the one click but I downgraded to RC29 with DREAIMG.nbh file. I did the 1 click process fine. I figured that what fxcked up my phone is that i flashed the custom SPL before I flashed the new radio first. I'm pretty sure thats what messed it up. I wanted to the Amon Ra's Recovery image and I didn't know how install that with out doing the 1 click root process.
ya if you flash spl before raidio that's what messed you up ! always radio first then spl . but you know that now .can you get in recovery at all ?
lucky 69 said:
ya if you flash spl before raidio that's what messed you up ! always radio first then spl . but you know that now .can you get in recovery at all ?
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No I can't get passed the G1 boot screen. Its ok though T-Mo is sending me a "LIKE NEW" G1. I told them the donut update screwed my phone up. I can't believe I did the SPL first but its a mistake that could have cost me more then a 19.95 delivery fee that IS being waived by T-Mo.
But heres the question with 1 click root do I need to downgrade to RC29 or no?
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No I can't get passed the G1 boot screen. Its ok though T-Mo is sending me a "LIKE NEW" G1. I told them the donut update screwed my phone up. I can't believe I did the SPL first but its a mistake that could have cost me more then a 19.95 delivery fee that IS being waived by T-Mo.
But heres the question with 1 click root do I need to downgrade to RC29 or no?
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no just be on stock cupcake and use the 1 click root. Then when you did that go into recovery and flash a rom that is not hero or requires danger spl
nickryan0612 said:
no just be on stock cupcake and use the 1 click root. Then when you did that go into recovery and flash a rom that is not hero or requires danger spl
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Sounds good. Before screwing things up I always had good success in flashing roms trying multiple roms in a day. My favorite is the xRom. I am curious to see if eventually there will be a Cliq rom.

How to revert back to original rom.

Hi i have a htc dream and rooted/flashed it to tmobile g1 with a hero rom. Now i'm selling the phone and would like to revert it back to my default rom as in how it was when i brought the phone.
how should i do about it?
Thanks!
I am guessing sense you have a hero rom you have Haykuro's spl, if you need to revert back to the orginal rom just go over to this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=592662 , jonzina has the step's to follow, just follow to the T and you will be fine.
there is also a walkthrough at www.cyanogenmod.com in the wiki
pretty simple process. flash the rc29 dream.nbh and wait for an OTA update to get you up to date pretty much. just follow the steps in the wiki.
the problem is, mine is a singtel set, its not a t-mobile g1, its a htc dream though now it becomes g1 after rooting and rom. i want to revert back to before. can i still use the dream.nbh?
Just a heads up, if you have the 1.33.2005 SPL required for Hero ROMs and you use DREAIMG.NHB to downgrade, you will brick.
To avoid that:
1) Wipe then flash a ROM that does *not* require 1.33.2005, (eg Cyanogen Mod)
2) Flash the stock SPL as update.zip
i'm so confused now =/
edit:how do i check spl ver?
With the phone powered off, press and hold the camera button and power, which will bring you into bootloader mode...if you were running a hero rom, you should have 3 androids on skateboards at the bottom of the screen (1.33.2005 SPL)...if so, do what AdrianK said
ok! but i still can use the DREAIMG.NHB from t-mobile? as mine is the not the t-mobile set, mine is a singtel htc dream. able to use the same method?
Some people WANT custom roms on their phone and are scared to do it themselves. Im recommending Cyanogens rom because its so fast and stable. If I were you I would post it as is, that way it stands out from the 100+ other G1 sellers.
If you don't see the response you were looking for just update it and reinstall the stock one.... just my 2 cents.
haha..how you know i'm selling.. you are right maybe i should try what you suggested. anyway how do i change roms? my current hero rom is the my one and only one.. likey to be out dated and laggy. last time follow guide to root and flash, what about updating? just dl rom and flash? haha
icoX said:
Hi i have a htc dream and rooted/flashed it to tmobile g1 with a hero rom. Now i'm selling the phone and would like to revert it back to my default rom as in how it was when i brought the phone.
how should i do about it?
Thanks!
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This kinda gave it away.. lol. I also had a hero rom and hated it because it was soooo slow. Just follow the directions here and it will boot up and work 100%
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php/Upgrading_From_Older_CyanogenMod_or_other_rooted_ROMs
Might wanna use 4.2.5. ROM at the moment though, users have been posting issues on the newest version, go here: http://www.cyanogenmod.com/download/rom/update-cm-4.2.5-signed.zip
wahahaha..so sorry.. didn't remember i mention before..ahahaha.. ok ok thanks! yeah my hero rom is abit laggy how bout those released now? any idea how to revert back to my singtel htc dream rom incase they prefer it that way?
thanks for your advise! sold my phone with cyanogen
Nice!!! Im glad I was able to help... get another G1 or other android phone.
We have THE BEST community and customization out of any other platform or company! Trust me...

Need help flashing roms to G1

I have been trying to flash the CM7 Rom to my G1 and continue to get the same error messages... I tried uploading a pic but the app wouldn't let me, so I will try and get the pic posted asap
Sent from my LG-P999 using XDA App
what is your radio/spl?
also have you flashed many other roms before?
Please using following combination for Radio and SPL. Also note, flash radio first and then SPL otherwise G1 will not boot. Also make sure you have Clockworkmod recovery for CM7. This recovery helps for smooth flashing for CM7.
update_2.22.28.25_S - Radio
hboot0013d-signed - SPL
kudlinux said:
Please using following combination for Radio and SPL. Also note, flash radio first and then SPL otherwise G1 will not boot. Also make sure you have Clockworkmod recovery for CM7. This recovery helps for smooth flashing for CM7.
update_2.22.28.25_S - Radio
hboot0013d-signed - SPL
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OK, this might be sorta a strange question, but this looks to be the best place to ask it.
Will the Dream be bootable if you flash only the Radio and SPL, leaving untouched the stock Android 1.6?
While I am a Linux geek, I am new to android and prefer to take things one step at a time. That explains why I have a Rooted dream with Amon RA with the stock 1.6 backed up with nandroid.
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OK, this might be sorta a strange question, but this looks to be the best place to ask it.
Will the Dream be bootable if you flash only the Radio and SPL, leaving untouched the stock Android 1.6?
While I am a Linux geek, I am new to android and prefer to take things one step at a time. That explains why I have a Rooted dream with Amon RA with the stock 1.6 backed up with nandroid.
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never tried, theoretically it should be as if you did a factory reset and you would just use your recovery to replace anything lost. but if you want to be safe maybe someone who has will chime in.
besides the point go ahead and flash a new rom, even if you stick with 1.6 firmware the developers have come out with much superior roms over the stock android. if you want only 1.6 try super d or super csdi
ok so i decided to test this out, updating a g1 to the 2708+ radio/spl and not flashing a new rom -------- stuck on g1 boot screen, hit call+menu+power then hit home to reboot to recovery, reflashed rom and gapps, rebooted, now everything is good as can be, so to answer your question --- yes it appears you need to flash a rom after you update your radio/spl

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