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Please talk me out of it...

Hi all,
I just want to say... I'm so pissed with the video driver problem for the Kaiser that I seriously considered trading my Tilt with an iPhone... and now it looks like it's happening. I'm having second thoughts though because I've been using HTC devices all my life and am used to it, besides the scalability and all, I need someone to talk some sense into me.
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Guess I'm the wrong person for this, since I use both an iPhone and the Tilt. Do you use the Tilt just for video? I mean seriously, even with the driver issues it's better than most devices out there. Pickup an iPhone and keep the Tilt. It takes a few seconds to switch the SIM card.

I mainly use the Tilt only for receiving emails, texts, calling and video. I don't use the GPS as much since I have a separate unit. I'm on tmobile too so 3G or HSDPA doesn't really do anything for me...
The pros for the iPhone, for me, are its form factor and its video capabilities, besides being able to do everything I need to do. Can the iPhone sync to outlook?

at least wait for the 3g iphone i think i may pick one up

I doubt the iphone will sync to outlook as there is no util on there to do this. maybe an after market app is available, but apple is apple and outlook is microsoft, so i doubt it. seriously an apple iphone??? i wouldnt trade my kaiser for 10 iphones. (well maybe for the value to sell them, but id buy myself another kaiser after )
happybabyhippo said:
I mainly use the Tilt only for receiving emails, texts, calling and video. I don't use the GPS as much since I have a separate unit. I'm on tmobile too so 3G or HSDPA doesn't really do anything for me...
The pros for the iPhone, for me, are its form factor and its video capabilities, besides being able to do everything I need to do. Can the iPhone sync to outlook?
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someguy1015 said:
I doubt the iphone will sync to outlook as there is no util on there to do this. maybe an after market app is available, but apple is apple and outlook is microsoft, so i doubt it. seriously an apple iphone??? i wouldnt trade my kaiser for 10 iphones. (well maybe for the value to sell them, but id buy myself another kaiser after )
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The iPhone beats the Kaiser in most areas. Applications run faster with hardly any lag or lockingup. The Safari browser blows away IE and even opera. A jailbroken iPhone can have MMS and now video, but the video app is still very new and not complete. Please, if the iPhone had GPS I would've NEVER gone with the Tilt. It's bulky, slow, and the battery life BLOWS! It serves its purpose for why I got it, but takes a backseat to a jailbroken iPhone.

I prefer my Tilt over the iPhone because I can customize and make the Tilt MINE, and not like anyone elses phone. There's also third party programs to do anything you want, and the iPhone is only just starting to get into that market, and you'll need a wallet to take advantage of most of it.
Think of it this way, Kaiser -> XDA-Developers. iPhone -> Apple
Which one really cares about you more? XDA-Devs or Apple?

happybabyhippo said:
I'm so pissed with the video driver problem for the Kaiser that I seriously considered trading my Tilt with an iPhone
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I don't know about iPhone, but I ditched my TyTN II last week and use back my ol'Treo 650
FCUK HTC !!!

What? You can mod the iPhone and also make it "yours". Doesn't cost a thing if you visit the iPhones matching xda dev counterpart called modmyifone.com where 3rd party developers are releasing apps daily. It still beats the Kaiser IMO cause I've modded both and work with both daily. Kaiser is slow and cumbersome and with the driver issues only leaves integrated GPS as its only appealing quality, but this isn't a iPhone/Kaiser debate thread. People that DON'T own both can continue and rant about why the Kaiser is better. All they have is opinion and not hands-on.

Buy an iPhone!
The way I see it;
Apple iPhone is a competiter of HTC (everything) and the more people buy the iPhone, the more HTC will have to improved on their own devices.
So buy the iPhone and make HTC work harder for the money.
Later, Lew

lewcamino said:
Buy an iPhone!
The way I see it;
Apple iPhone is a competiter of HTC (everything) and the more people buy the iPhone, the more HTC will have to improved on their own devices.
So buy the iPhone and make HTC work harder for the money.
Later, Lew
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I don't think HTC is gonna lose any sleep or care if you buy an iPhone or not. They have MANY devices. Not just the Tilt to worry about. Apple on the other hand seems more focused on making a quick buck rather than putting out the best device they could've. I love the iPhone, but when they released it, it lacked too many simple apps like MMS and Video Recorder. If they had put more focus on releasing the BEST phone out they would've included a working MMS and Video Recorder. Christ, they could've included GPS if they sacrificed size a little more and made this thing unbeatable. So for now, there are two equally great phones that I have to use. Tilt and iPhone. Both great devices.

ronfin44 said:
Apple on the other hand seems more focused on making a quick buck rather than putting out the best device they could've.
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Ahahahahah! You're saying that about Apple and NOT about HTC?!

Blowfish64 said:
Ahahahahah! You're saying that about Apple and NOT about HTC?!
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Yes, considering the 8525 I previously owned was an awesome device. Apple didn't even bother to include the basic apps you can get in a cheap Boost Mobil phone. You can't say that about HTC that have how many great devices on the market?

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Ahahahahah! You're saying that about Apple and NOT about HTC?!
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I'll have to agree here. HTC seems to have pushed out the Kaiser.
Both are good phones but definitely lack where the other one shines. GPS and Video/Multimedia

I agree HTC rushed the Kaiser, but that in itself doesn't take away the fact that they have released a lot of great devices. One screwup (driver issue) doesn't put HTC in the same boat as Apple. I mean, who was on the development team for the iPhone? We're they too busy sending MMS with HTC phones that they forgot to include it in the iPhone? lol

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I agree HTC rushed the Kaiser, but that in itself doesn't take away the fact that they have released a lot of great devices. One screwup (driver issue) doesn't put HTC in the same boat as Apple. I mean, who was on the development team for the iPhone? We're they too busy sending MMS with HTC phones that they forgot to include it in the iPhone? lol
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Kaiser, Mogul, Touch Dual, Touch Cruise, etc. It's not just one device, it's their entire recent line-up. And while the iPhone can be unlocked to handle MMS, HTC's devices cannot be hacked to add a driver, unless someone wants to cough up a couple hundred thousand dollars. Besides, this is the consumer market. Past doesn't exist, only the present. I don't care if HTC made good devices in the past, the same way I don't care if Apple made a groundbreaking computer back in the early 1980's. It's what they're doing NOW that matters.

iPhone and Outlook sync - wirelessly!!
Hello...i have both the iphone and the tilt. and yes, you can sync iphone to outlook wirelessly.
all you have to do is download the funambol.com client. it is amazing!
go to myfunambol.com and get the outlook client...then download the iphone client....voila....ota outlook sync....even better than the tilt.
the only reason, the iphone is not better than the tilt , imo, is b/c of the gps functionality as well as the fact that the keyboard is only usable in portrait mode (except for in mobile safari mode). This however, is being recitified in the next software update....
so, honestly, i am getting ready to ebay my tilt... I will be an iphone user until HTC comes out with a truly ready for market all in one device....hopefullly soon!

for those selling your used tilt and switching to the iphone... I'm a university student looking to upgrade from the Imate Kjam. I have posts regarding this on the Wizard forum. If any of you folks would be nice enough to let it go for cheap, I'd be a buyer for sure. Please PM me. Thank you.

biswasd said:
Hello...i have both the iphone and the tilt. and yes, you can sync iphone to outlook wirelessly.
all you have to do is download the funambol.com client. it is amazing!
go to myfunambol.com and get the outlook client...then download the iphone client....voila....ota outlook sync....even better than the tilt.
the only reason, the iphone is not better than the tilt , imo, is b/c of the gps functionality as well as the fact that the keyboard is only usable in portrait mode (except for in mobile safari mode). This however, is being recitified in the next software update....
so, honestly, i am getting ready to ebay my tilt... I will be an iphone user until HTC comes out with a truly ready for market all in one device....hopefullly soon!
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If Apple finally releases iPhone v2, whenever, and it has GPS, MMS, and Video Record capabilities, I'll be using my Tilt as a paper weight. Graphically more pleasing, faster UI, slimmer design, and Safari? The Tilt can't touch it. Those that say "no 3G" have no clue. 3G isn't that much faster. A second or two difference from my experience, but it drains the battery like crazy. An iPhone can do circles around my Tilt for battery life. I tried listening to ONE podcast on my Tilt and it drained the battery to almost empty. That was one 4 hour podcast. I listened to 10 hours on my iPhone and the battery was about 50%. There's no comparison. The lack of a sliding QWERTY takes some getting used to and slows my text replies down a little, but I'm not texting all day long and you adapt prety fast to the new keyboard just like anything new you learn. I did think it was funny when I spoke to an at&t rep about setting up my voicemail and I told him I was switching between both phones, and the guy told me I couldn't do it. I said "yes, I can, and I am". Then he said I HAD to have Visual Voicemail on my account to use the iPhone and I said "uh, no I don't and the phone still works w/o it". This idiot was so set on telling me I had to have the iPhone plan. but I told him that I setup my account to reflect my Tilt, not the iPhone, and that switching between phones wasn't controlled by him or at&t and that I really didn't care what he thought. lol. I think he was a bit mad that he couldn't make me use the iPhone plan, but if I used the iPhone plan then the MMS on my iPhone wouldn't work. Dummies.

Now that apple have broken into the phone market, its only a matter of time before the next apple comes out. The apple phone may have been rushed a little, but it was their first attempt, and i take my hat off to them for the effort they made. now you know the next one will be the shiznik! if it has GPS and HSXPA with more apps available without bricking the device (once they open up to start allowing open source programming, which i think they started to now) theres no stopping it. HTC will loose alot of money simply because alot of people who bought the Kaiser and other previous HTC devices will move over for a faster, much more reliable phone that doesnt need a soft reset every other day. And mostly beause HTC have NOT made the effort to support their loyal fans by giving us drivers for the graphics/video problem.

Upgrade Advice

I currently have a Kaiser (HTC TyTnII on UK Orange) but have only just looked into the HTC Touch Diamond... and wow, does it look nice!
On the Orange website it's saying I can't upgrade my phone until May next year. eBay has the Diamond at around £350.
So, I guess I'm wondering if anyone can advise me. Are Orange likely to cut me a deal if I call them up? I guess I'm bound to a contract with them at present so I can't say I'm leaving them. Will it be easiest just to buy one from eBay?
Is it worth it? Is the Touch Pro out or coming out soon? Should I wait for that?

AndyCr15 said:
I currently have a Kaiser (HTC TyTnII on UK Orange) but have only just looked into the HTC Touch Diamond... and wow, does it look nice!
On the Orange website it's saying I can't upgrade my phone until May next year. eBay has the Diamond at around £350.
So, I guess I'm wondering if anyone can advise me. Are Orange likely to cut me a deal if I call them up? I guess I'm bound to a contract with them at present so I can't say I'm leaving them. Will it be easiest just to buy one from eBay?
Is it worth it? Is the Touch Pro out or coming out soon? Should I wait for that?
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If you can't upgrade until May then you'll get little joy out of Orange I'm afraid. You have to be in the last three months of your contract before they'll let you upgrade. However, saying that you've got nothing to lose by calling them and you may be able to get a deal if you change your package to a more expensive one.
Cal them first before going the eBay route - as I said you've got nothing to lose.
Is it worth it? Hell, yeah! I was torn between the Diamond and waiting for the Pro, but impatience got the better of me and I plumped for the Diamond.
Even though I've only had it a day I can definitely say that it is fantastic! It's up to you if you want to wait for the Pro. I've come from a TyTN II myself and I sat back and really thought about it before going for the Diamond, and basically asked myself two questions:
1. How often did I use the keypad? Very rarely, maybe three times in the eight months that I owned the phone.
2. How much free space did I have on my 4Gb SD card? 2.5Gb, so for me having 4Gb of non-upgradable storage wasn't an issue.
The final thing that swung it for me was the size of the thing. It's good to have a PDA that's "phone sized", rather than being a huge brick.

Thats a good idea Have a word with Orange and twist there arms, see what you can do. I think my missus is due an Upgrade in August and im sure she will go for the Diamond (but as shes skint, I think shes gonna put it on eBay!!!!!!!)
I love my diamond and have used phones with hardware keyboards and like the post above says, how often do you really use it?
Software professionals and IT gurus would probably miss it as im sure using a hardware keyboard and using the Remote Desktop software is a great combination, but the VGA screen is excellent on the Diamond, its the best phone ive ever owned (and ive had quite a few...see my signature!)
Diamond = Thumbs up. Theres sooo much software and tweaks out at the moment with more software coming out just around the corner!
The futures bright, the futures...errr...Diamond? hehe!

Teppic24 said:
1. How often did I use the keypad? Very rarely, maybe three times in the eight months that I owned the phone.
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Wow, how did you cope without the keypad? I think I probably use it 10-20 times a day and this is the main reason I'm holding back on upgrading I guess.
It looks a fantastic piece of kit... but I don't think I'd like using an onscreen keyboard

How long have you been with Orange?
If it's over a couple of years remind them how much money they have had off you and if that doesn't work tell them you will consider cancelling the contract. Generally they want to keep customers so will eventually give in.
Also, it's always good to ask to speak to their line manager if they can't help.

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Why i'm switching to the Iphone.

The HTC Touch Diamond is a piece of **** for what you pay for.
I paid almost 800$ for a great phone that I expected a lot out of, what did I get? A phone that worked for 20 days and then ****ed up. The entire phone just does not connect when it is not plugged into the wall outlet, and I've used another battery and it still does the same thing, it's a piece of ****.
For the past month I've been trying to get the damn thing to work, I've treated it like a diamond because I've paid as much as I would.
It was awesome for the first 20 days, but now it's useless unless connected to an adapter. Amazing. Mobilecityonline the guys i bought it from are willing to repair it on warranty but it will take 4-6weeks, THATS MORE THAN A MONTH.
I'm ending with my illusion of WM powered phones, goin to the iphone which has basically the same features, not all the looks but god damnit, the tech support is great, and the phone does not lag, and you don't need to cook roms to get the damn thing to work faster.
This is my rant, and anyone else in California who has a working HTC Touch Diamond, good luck keeping it running.

So it was awesome until it broke? Why not just get it repaired then?
Hardware fails from time to time, do you think the iphone is bullet proof? You say you've been trying to get it working for the last month, well if you'd just had it repaired under warranty you'd probably have it back by now.

No, 6 weeks is more than a month. That's far too long for a phone to be in repair. The company was ****ty, that's a given, but the phone ****ed up.
My sister has an iphone and has had it since it came out. The thing with apple is, you can walk into an apple store down the street and walk out with a brand new phone. Repairs take 1 day.
HTC America was really nice and offered the European hotline, but they agreed that if I sent it out to them it would take more than a month, 2-3 apparently. And they cannot send me a new phone but would have to repair this one.
I thought this phone was bullet proof, people f'ing compared it to the iphone. It's an amazing phone, but not worth 700$.

And to get even the basic tools from diamond you need to jailbreak the iphone or use the 2.0 appstore(not the good solution)

haha nice one mouseymousey made me chuckle!
good luck with your iphone mate, you'll soon come running back! 'basic'illy has the same features just about sums it up! and make sure you have a good belt to hold your trousers up! ahem.. BRICK lol
like mousey says, hardware can break down, lifes not perfect mate!
if your fridge breaks down are you going to switch to only eating tinned food?

How so? What basic tools does the diamond have that the iphone does not? What are we missing here? Jailbreaking is meaningless anymore because i'm already on the network with the iphone. You still have to pay for WM applications, it's not like the appstore is killing you.

Sorry double posted on accident. Anyways. I'm sorry, everyone on this board has been great, but no one anywhere on the internet could help me solve this problem, and HTCs best support told me to "hard reset" amazing.
I've just realized that WM is too much trouble, and HTC products are and will always be far too expensive for what you get. If the unlocked iphone cost about 700$ with 4/gigs of internal storage people would be ****ing pissed. But nothing about HTC but rather its a supposed competitor. Failed to impress.
Also, hardware does not break down in a matter of days of you getting it, that's ridiculous, that's showing the quality build of the product being really ****ty. Honestly, If i got a fridge from sears, that broke down in a weeks time I would not get the same brand again. The problem is that every product that you get has to work for atleast a couple of months and you have to do something to do it for it to breakdown. For god's sake, I haven't bought a single product that I couldn't fix, this is literally a hardware failure, that wasn't warranted, I didn't even touch the phone the wrong way, I swear to you I have had it in a case as thick as my wallet. It's ridiculous. If you call it a random breakdown that happens every now and then, **** that. 700$ is a lot for me. And a months time for repairs isn't gravy.

bye bye then
ta tar then!

car navigation, copy - paste, does not even exist... good pushmail etc. exchange stuff... remote desktop, video recording, crappy speeds compared to htc on connections, even with the new 3g... just to name few...
i love the use of iphone, theres no comparison to that, but featurewise its no match for diamond

iphone can melt...
Do you even know that the back cover from the Iphone can be so hot...even the backside can melt...it's posted on a dutch website which found an article from an american user....
If you don't believe me, here's the link to the dutch website:
http://www.allaboutphones.nl/forum/iphone-3g-wordt-ook-erg-heet-en-kan-zelfs-smelten-t3131.html
http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=5943855&postcount=288
So you'd better think twice before you buy the Iphone...
greetzz Jeroen

oh yes, the '3g' phone that CANT make video calls?? errr, whats the point!!!? haha
iphone sucks big time!

There are so many good reasons to switch to the iPhone (useability, following the masses, trying to look cool, for example), but "because my phone broke" is not one of them when you consider that iPhone users have just been complaining about that very issue - and I'm not speaking about activation problems...
Anyway, have fun. Good luck with the battery.

I'll stick with the Diamond. Its features simply blow the iPhone out of the water. Most importantly for me is that I can easily write my own apps for it.

Car navigation does exist the new 3g has built in GPS. Copy and paste is released with the new 2.1 firmware, mobileme is up and running, HTC's wifi blows donkey, 3g is fast as hell on the iphone.

And again folks its not about features, its about BUILD QUALITY.

Pietje_1985 said:
Do you even know that the back cover from the Iphone can be so hot...even the backside can melt...
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So they found the TRUE reason to the clobal warming... iBlaah

Hi Intradvocate, can you please confirm that 6 weeks is longer than a month?

Sure, 31 days in a month (average) 7 days in a week, 4.4 weeks in a month. (divide 31 by 7)

Intradvocate said:
The HTC Touch Diamond is a piece of **** for what you pay for.
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This is my rant, and anyone else in California who has a working HTC Touch Diamond, good luck keeping it running.
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I can't help noticing that if the same thing happened to your iphone you would be probably writing similar post. Honestly WM6 is for professional and semi-professional users, perhaps closer to blackberry so if you were looking for an iphone like alternative it was a mistake. I am under no peer pressure in terms of "coolness"- the HTC SD must perform efficiently the business tasks that I throw at it and honestly there is currently no better alternative for my needs.

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And again folks its not about features, its about BUILD QUALITY.
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True, on iPod touch and non 3g iPhone, unfortunatelly the 3g version has not been the best quality from apple... this is quite tough place to get sympathy when changing to iblaah...

From an HTC Touch to an iPhone?

I bought a "brand new unlocked HTC Touch" on eBay and got a refurb Rogers HTC Touch. While it's the greatest WM phone I've used, I played with an iPod Touch a couple of times and fell in love with it. Since I'm getting a refund from the guy who sold it to me, I might trade it for an iPhone.
Aside from development (for Windows Mobile ), I only use my phone for PIM, Internet, music and games. I'd also use Wikipedia a crapload if I had a data plan. While my Touch does the job really well, I don't need something that complicated.
I know it's not the right place to ask this, but if you ignore the money factor, is it worth the switch?
PS: This won't impact the Gecko development, as I'll use this project to get me admitted in college and maybe increase my chances of getting a job at IBM

Honestly, if you can manage both, I'd recommend that. I have an iPhone 3G, and while it's nice and all I still often go back to my Tilt. Sometimes I just need me some WM, and it's nice to have them both sitting there.
If you had to only pick one, I would say play around with each and choose the one that pleases you the most. Personally, if I could choose only one, I would stick with the Touch. More customization ability (Cydia still doesn't compare to the open nature of WM).

Well I made a trip to the Rogers website and, as every time I want to buy a new phone with Rogers, I went on an epic rant and changed my mind.
They force you to take a 60$**** a month plan (+6.95$ system access fee and 35$ activation fee and 0.35$ 911 access fee) and refuse to give you other methods of activation. Since their early cancellation fee is of 400$, I'll just buy an iPod Touch and get a cheap GSM phone (or keep my HTC Touch?)
So it becomes "HTC Touch or iPod Touch+Cheap phone". I'd keep both, but I can't afford it. I have a car, college, a new laptop and other miscellany I need to pay for.

N1c0_ds said:
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Are you still in high school???

got me a ipod touch cheap as a toy rather then an iphone
to match my wmPhone

Rudegar said:
got me a ipod touch cheap as a toy rather then an iphone
to match my wmPhone
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Yeah, I'm a lil' bit afraid I'll miss some features from Windows Mobile. It's especially about my school schedule. With Windows Mobile or PalmOS, I just patented a really simple application that would load a text file with my schedule and display it.
I might just keep both (says the guy, looking at the "Gecko" icon in the Programs folder). Oh and there's the free PhonTuner, my guitar tuner, and tippy, my bill splitter and tip calc, SPB Wallet, my password keeper, along with other utils I'll dearly miss.
Both. I might keep both. I don't know.
(oh and yes, I'm still in high school, completing my last year)

I think there are more high school students than you think
I'll second the thought that if you could, keep both.

Kaiser, is still a worth buy??

Hi to all, I'm a quite happy owner of a orbit2 (aka Polaris).
A few days ago I was wondering in a used marcket and I found a used Kaiser at a price that it was impossible a year ago.
I need a second mobile phone and I'm wondering if kaiser is still a wotrh buy, now that there are G1 and G2.
So I ask my question to the Kaiser community....
Thanks to any suggestion

Yes Kaiser\Tilt still worth buy @ good price...
Probably not going to get an unbiased view in a Kaiser\Tilt forum section

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Yes Kaiser\Tilt still worth buy @ good price...
Probably not going to get an unbiased view in a Kaiser\Tilt forum section
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Yes, you're probably right, it's difficult that I could have an unbiased answer, but I think that kaiser owner could be disappointed of their device or are looking forward to the new tech, maybe without lack of driver
And I find it at 200 euros...is it a good price?? I think so, maybe because I buy my polaris a year ago at 400

I had the Tilt over a year ago and sold it but just bought another one on eBay days ago for around 190 US.
Worth the buy to me...

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Yes, you're probably right, it's difficult that I could have an unbiased answer, but I think that kaiser owner could be disappointed of their device or are looking forward to the new tech, maybe without lack of driver
And I find it at 200 euros...is it a good price?? I think so, maybe because I buy my polaris a year ago at 400
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Totally agree will possibly find some unhappy Kaiser users
Not sure on the currency value of £ to € in UK £150 - £200 is a good price, the Kaiser is still a very good device, driver issue really not a bigee "well not to me"
Also many ROMs to choose from and the lovely Tilt Keyboard only on TP2 too.
Yep i'm biased

esmith said:
I had the Tilt over a year ago and sold it but just bought another one on eBay days ago for around 190 US.
Worth the buy to me...
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I too am biased. Bought mine on Ebay a year ago for $275US and with all the ROMS to choose from nowadays it hard not to be happy with it.

My Nokia N95 recently died, and so I went hunting on eBay for a new phone (I wanted a Windows Mobile device this time).
I came across the Kaiser at £125 buy it now, so bought it. This was about 2 weeks ago, and I'm planning on putting it back up on eBay now
It's a nice phone, but it's not without it's problems that really annoy me.
The keyboard - I much preferred the number pad on my N95 with the T9 predictive text. The Kaiser has T9, but you still have to use the QWERTY keyboard
No 3.5mm headphone socket. I bought an adapter, and after 4 days of use it fell to pieces this morning.
Stylus - I've lost the pen once already, but found it again in the library.
Crashes - I'm running the Ultimate X V2 ROM, and so far today it's crashed 3 times on me today
No graphics drivers - means I can't play graphics accelerated games, and normal games become laggy
Games become laggy even moreso when you touch the screen whilst playing
If you receive a text and can't view it straight away, if the phone is in your pocket all the touchscreen gets pressed and opens loads of programs
I'm sure there's more but I can't think of it right now!

thomasw234 said:
My Nokia N95 recently died, and so I went hunting on eBay for a new phone (I wanted a Windows Mobile device this time).
I came across the Kaiser at £125 buy it now, so bought it. This was about 2 weeks ago, and I'm planning on putting it back up on eBay now
It's a nice phone, but it's not without it's problems that really annoy me.
The keyboard - I much preferred the number pad on my N95 with the T9 predictive text. The Kaiser has T9, but you still have to use the QWERTY keyboard
No 3.5mm headphone socket. I bought an adapter, and after 4 days of use it fell to pieces this morning.
Stylus - I've lost the pen once already, but found it again in the library.
Crashes - I'm running the Ultimate X V2 ROM, and so far today it's crashed 3 times on me today
No graphics drivers - means I can't play graphics accelerated games, and normal games become laggy
Games become laggy even moreso when you touch the screen whilst playing
If you receive a text and can't view it straight away, if the phone is in your pocket all the touchscreen gets pressed and opens loads of programs
I'm sure there's more but I can't think of it right now!
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I picked mine up for £90 on ebay which included the case, spare battery and docking station, bargin or what.
Thomas, I changed from a N95 also to this and I wouldnt go back, try a different ROM, Im using Chinhe wm 6.5F 21501. WM 6.5 is so much better then 6.1 and the Manila 2d interface is excellent. Add a few extra apps like youtube, MyPlayer (BBC I-Player) and shed loads of other things and you will have a excellent device, drop me a pm if you like and ill let you know how i set mine out and you will love it

It all comes down to preference. Personally, I wouldn't buy another tilt for two reasons: VGA screens are MUCH nicer for web browsing, and the recessed screen is substantially less finger-friendly.
Aside from those two issues, though, it's a pretty solid device. I think the Touch Pro is a pretty solid step up, but the Tilt might be worth it depending on price.

I got rid of my Kaiser when I bought both a G1 and a Raphael: G1 is gone and I bought another Kaiser. The Kaiser is cheap (around $165 on ebay if timed right), still more powerful than most phones, super-reliable and strong. Add in the fact that you can unlock them for free and all the software available and this one is sticking with me until it dies. Honestly, the Raphael's screen is nice, but it really doesn't FEEL any faster than the Kaiser. So in the end, all you get is more ram, a sharper screen, and a G-sensor...for $150 more than a Kaiser.

£90 is a bargain!
My Kaiser was on Orange originally, and although it's now unlocked, on any ROM except the Orange (or so it seems) it sends every text twice and charges me double!
I'll have a look at the I-Player software... but I tried Manilla 2D and didn't really like it that much (I seem to have contrasting opinions to everyone else here ).
Now I've got a stable ROM running I must say it is growing on me, especially as I enjoy developing software in C#, and Windows Mobile has the .NET Compact Framework.

Well im currently running Chinhe wm 6.5 21501 v3 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=509576) . It is quite a lite package but so far it is very stable add to that the Manilla 2d thats pre installed and add the 'New HTC' skin it looks sooooo nice, ive showed it to all my mates including IPhone owners and they have been blown away. I can highly recommend the last FM app (Uk owners only) for live streaming music.
When using the iplayer (myplayer) u need to tweak it to use the steaming player that comes preinstalled.
Ive attached a few goodies for you all, enjoy ya phones, I was a Nokia fan for for 12 years but now im a HTC convert.

I just tried to sell my AT&T Tilt on eBay, not once but twice with a starting price of $150 and didn't get a single bid! If anyone here is interested in it, you can PM me or e-mail me at [email protected]
It has a few scuffs, and a piece of the trim by the SIM holder is broken off, but it works fine (just have to be careful when you are putting the SIM in).

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I just tried to sell my AT&T Tilt on eBay, not once but twice with a starting price of $150 and didn't get a single bid! If anyone here is interested in it, you can PM me or e-mail me at [email protected]
It has a few scuffs, and a piece of the trim by the SIM holder is broken off, but it works fine (just have to be careful when you are putting the SIM in).
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Thats where you went wrong, starting at $150 way to high, if im surfing ebay for something I watch Items and bid at the last min, like what most people do. Start at 99c you will get a hell of alot more interest then $150.

i have the tmobile kaiser since more then 18 months now, quite happy with it. however the newer models from HTC seem to be better and even the latest symbian's from nokia would be worth a try.
depends more on preference / usage / pricing / etc.
you guys in uk get excellent deals with your service providers...
so check everything b4 u decide.