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Has anyone deleted the Java apps that come with the Tilt?

I downloaded and installed the Opera Mini Beta and was trying to find it (grrr) when I came across the JAVA icon under the Start Menu/Programs/Tools item.
There I found Opera as well as several of the games that were preinstalled. There are options to uninstall and uninstall all and I was wondering if anyone has used that option to uninstall them.
I'm not too keen on Hard Resetting my phone and going through the process to keep the apps from installing, and then reconfiguring the phone to get everything working right and tweaked out, but it might be nice to get some space back on the main device. This appears that it may be the best solution for someone like me who has gotten everything to work just the way I want it and doesn't want to risk breaking something that's working OK just to get a couple of MB back (especially now that I have a 4GB card in the thing).
BTW, Thanks to all of the posters here who have done a great job documenting all of this and taking what must have been a huge amount of time and effort. I've gotten a great deal of info and help from lurking over the past two weeks since I got my Tilt.

milesahead said:
I downloaded and installed the Opera Mini Beta and was trying to find it (grrr) when I came across the JAVA icon under the Start Menu/Programs/Tools item.
There I found Opera as well as several of the games that were preinstalled. There are options to uninstall and uninstall all and I was wondering if anyone has used that option to uninstall them.
I'm not too keen on Hard Resetting my phone and going through the process to keep the apps from installing, and then reconfiguring the phone to get everything working right and tweaked out, but it might be nice to get some space back on the main device. This appears that it may be the best solution for someone like me who has gotten everything to work just the way I want it and doesn't want to risk breaking something that's working OK just to get a couple of MB back (especially now that I have a 4GB card in the thing).
BTW, Thanks to all of the posters here who have done a great job documenting all of this and taking what must have been a huge amount of time and effort. I've gotten a great deal of info and help from lurking over the past two weeks since I got my Tilt.
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I don't have a Kaiser so I don't know if it works: start Java and select Menu / Uninstall All

milesahead said:
I downloaded and installed the Opera Mini Beta and was trying to find it (grrr) when I came across the JAVA icon under the Start Menu/Programs/Tools item.
There I found Opera as well as several of the games that were preinstalled. There are options to uninstall and uninstall all and I was wondering if anyone has used that option to uninstall them.
I'm not too keen on Hard Resetting my phone and going through the process to keep the apps from installing, and then reconfiguring the phone to get everything working right and tweaked out, but it might be nice to get some space back on the main device. This appears that it may be the best solution for someone like me who has gotten everything to work just the way I want it and doesn't want to risk breaking something that's working OK just to get a couple of MB back (especially now that I have a 4GB card in the thing).
BTW, Thanks to all of the posters here who have done a great job documenting all of this and taking what must have been a huge amount of time and effort. I've gotten a great deal of info and help from lurking over the past two weeks since I got my Tilt.
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I deleted all the games via the "remove Programs" under settings. There was one single entry for 'Cingular Midlets' or something labled to that effect.Once removed, all the cingular-crap was gone.

smittyofdhs said:
I deleted all the games via the "remove Programs" under settings. There was one single entry for 'Cingular Midlets' or something labled to that effect.Once removed, all the cingular-crap was gone.
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That will not remove all the crap. You are still left with mobiTV, cellular video, and a couple others that cannot be removed. The only way to remove them all is to manually delete the files from the OS or do a hard/soft reset.

mobitv - delete from \program files\ and the shortcut from the start menu
cellular video - simply an internet site shortcut, just delete from start menu
medianet home - same as CV, simply an internet link

Memory Usage on Tilt

I just bought my Tilt two days ago, I did the trick to remove the bloatware and didn't re-install any of the items it removed. My memory usage is usually between 66-70%, i only have a few extra programs, and don't have any thing running under the running programs tab in the memory section, the programs that i have are, kaiser tilt, tcpmp, google maps, htc home customizer, and that's about it, i only have solatire and bubble breaker under games, no xpress mail, i use the outlook for my gmail, but the memory usage of 66-70% seems a little high, is there a way to get the usage down some? or is that normal?

Try this
In Internet Explorer choose Menu>Tools>Options>Memory
Then Clear History and Delete Files
Another approach (not exactly sure if this is equivalent to one of the above) is to delete all items in the folder \Windows\Profiles\Guest\Temporary Internet Files.
IE "crap" can really suck up a lot of space quickly.

I don't think he's talking about storage memory, but RAM memory, which deleting the PIE cache will not affect.
My Tilt with Dutty's ROM runs at about 40% with no programs open. I thought that was excessive before reading your post.
It doesn't matter how many programs you have installed. It's what's running that matters. I have tons of things installed, but I usually keep everything shut down (except for whatever's using 40% of that 128mb of RAM!)

yea, i'm talking about Ram memory, currently right now w/nothing running, except for what ever goes on behind the sences that i dont' know about, but under the running programs tabs i have no programs on i'm at 70%, memory says 125.04 total, 89.45 in use, 35.59 free. any ways to reduce that amount being used?

That does seem very excessive. On my today screen i have HTC home and SPB plus with a bunch of icons and other stuff and i am using up 33-40% depending on how long i have the phone running for. Have you tried soft resetting it to see if the memory goes down at all right when you start it up? It might be something that you have loaded in your today screen thats hogging memory or causing a leak.

Zyren said:
That does seem very excessive. On my today screen i have HTC home and SPB plus with a bunch of icons and other stuff and i am using up 33-40% depending on how long i have the phone running for. Have you tried soft resetting it to see if the memory goes down at all right when you start it up? It might be something that you have loaded in your today screen thats hogging memory or causing a leak.
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I tried the soft reset, it started up at 73% used memory and went down to 71% used memorty after a minute or two. I have no idea what's causing so much use, like it mentioned in the first post i don't have much installed and nothing running when i did the reset.

Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? i'm thinking i may have to just do a hard reset and see were the memory usage is and then re install everything, if that dont work it looks like a phone call to tech support unless someone has any ideas

Maybe a bloated mxip_initdb?

brianlb said:
Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? i'm thinking i may have to just do a hard reset and see were the memory usage is and then re install everything, if that dont work it looks like a phone call to tech support unless someone has any ideas
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I would try loading Memmaid to see what services are really running on youe phone. I hover around 40% in use most of the time. I use Memmaid to condence my memory and clean out dup and dangling notifications. I t really helps me

brianlb said:
yea, i'm talking about Ram memory, currently right now w/nothing running, except for what ever goes on behind the sences that i dont' know about, but under the running programs tabs i have no programs on i'm at 70%, memory says 125.04 total, 89.45 in use, 35.59 free. any ways to reduce that amount being used?
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the 125.04 total you quote is for storage memory, not program memory. (mine shows 101.28 total available program memory) it has nothing to do with running programs, but rather the amount of programs you have installed to main memory.
if you haven't already done so, get a storage card and install your programs there if given the option.

TiltedAz said:
Maybe a bloated mxip_initdb?
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What is this file, and can something be done to reduce etc? Mine is currently sitting on around 16mb!!!

Try SKTools here: http://s-k-tools.com/index.html?sktools/m_feat.html. It has many features and a good "FreeUP RAM Service" described here http://s-k-tools.com/?m_freeuprams.html. Trial available.

How to diagnose sluggish response?

My Tytn II has developed an annoying slowdown over the last few days and it's getting on my wick. I have no applications running, 54Mb of storage memory and 52Mb of program memory and yet every key press takes at least 10 seconds to respond, screen redraws are a nightmare and answering the phone is impossible because it refuses to accept button presses in time.
Clearly something is hogging the processor, but how can I find out what it is? Is there a WM equivalent of the windows Task manager that shows CPU and memory usage on the device in realtime?
I'm loathe to do a hard reset because I really don't want the hassle of reinstalling everything again.
Thanks for any assistance.
Lee.

Try this freeware app, Task Manager. It will show all processess and apps like Windows.
Can't upload as I only use RAR and it's not supported now all of a sudden.

dot fred task manager is what you want to google for.
AFAIK, .RAR attachments never worked, must be thinking of another forum...

not sure if it's related but when mine slows down l just clear the temp internet files.

ChumleyEX said:
not sure if it's related but when mine slows down l just clear the temp internet files.
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That was the first thing I did and it made no difference. As I said I have plenty of storage and app memory left
Also tried Task Manager, which showed no rogue processes and the system idle process was active at about 80-90%, so that showed nothing either.
I've been deleting stuff all weekend to see if there was a dodgy app but nothing has made any difference so far. I'm going to bite the bullet and do a hard reset combined with a 6.1 firmware upgrade to make some use of it.
Tch

LeeJS said:
That was the first thing I did and it made no difference. As I said I have plenty of storage and app memory left
Also tried Task Manager, which showed no rogue processes and the system idle process was active at about 80-90%, so that showed nothing either.
I've been deleting stuff all weekend to see if there was a dodgy app but nothing has made any difference so far. I'm going to bite the bullet and do a hard reset combined with a 6.1 firmware upgrade to make some use of it.
Tch
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U may try something like SKTools or memmaid, they have some clean-up functions. The sktools have a function to free up your RAM. Its worth checking.

after reboot my apps were gone from the menu, but they are still on the market???

Hello all, i just bought an android G1 from a friend, when it came it was already installed cyanogen mod, then i thought it should of rooted, (by the way i dont know how to root or how to check if its rooted) i am very new on this platform so i have many problems and questions but for now , i tried to change google account which was my frends account to use g1 with all 100 percenti but i couldnt find any proper way to switch my google account, then i finally found hard reset thing and did it, after all i could log on my google on my g1 and i felt a bit shocked with all those missing parts on the android platform as a winmo user before, even my HTC artemis had better skills on internet browsing such flash support over skyfire and easy wifi DNS change and have free web browsing without banned pages.. anyways i was trying to install some games and apps from the market till i got the notification of low memorry ohhh ****, its a nightmare to have hundreds of apps but no place to install, how stupid but then i found a solution on the net to help installin apps directly to your sd card, while i was following this steps on the xda forum pages, i restarted my fone again after having the img file launched with 1.4 version, then i realized all my installed apps icons were lost, then i saw they were gone from my g1 but when i go to app store, they are still on my downloaded programms list, but they are not in storage, thats becase now i cant install them again because they are seen already installed, how can i fix this problem guys , and thanks for the help already.!!!!!!1

Hey, thanks for steppin' up! No matter how snarky I get, or how nice I am, some people just don't get it. It's always great when someone does get it.

If you have a cyanogenmod, then you have root.

How can i get my apps back from the market when they show apps are already installed?

I guess I'd uninstall and reinstall from within the Market App. Open "Market," click on a listing of an app that says it's installed but you can't see in your app drawer (the program for the Home screen and app drawer is call Launcher.apk... apk is the equivalent of exe, more or less). on the bottom of the screen there should be two buttons, Open and Unistall. I'd uninstall and reinstall the ones you want that way.
Yeah, I miss WinMo, too. I still use PhatPad in my old phone and PC. But the capacitive screen really is nicer for fingers, and I'm more addicted to XDA and hacking phones than I am to having a hard-core useful phone (although the native ouTube App beats any I've found for WinMo, and I actually use the native contacts app). I got tired of the bugs, too, since they'd hose the whole OS and force you to decide to reboot. Android just blows past an error and lets it not work, but keeps the OS up. When I'd run out of memory or something in WinMo on an incoming call, the phone would freeze, and then there's a 3 minute reboot. In Android, it just slows down so I get less ring time to answer, but I can call back right away, and it boots in two minutes.
Java makes really nice interfaces and games, too.
I think it'll be about a year or so and Android will be running on par with WinMo (WinPh?) with Flash and alternative browsers apps, and has a few more things to offer that other smartphone OS's can't. It's fun finding them. It's been really exciting watching the progress, and how hard people work for little or no money, just because it's open source.
Oh, and PhatPad was $44. My current Note app, NoteEverything was $2. I miss the stylus and making animations, but that's it. I certainly don't miss Activesync.

yes you are right, but the buttons in the market of that application, are both missing, inactive, you cannot click both of them, thats why i cant uninstall or install or open the app.. i still wonder how to clear the app store cache without factory reset or hard reset which is a really long way to follow.

Nexus One uses too much data

Sorry if this has already been asked, I already searched in Google and in the Forums.
In Portugal we don't have unlimited data plans, actually they are really limited (mine allows only 150MB). Today I've used only the data connection for less then 2h and it used 4MB of data (430KB received and 3.5MB transmitted) and all this time the phone never left my pocket. With the G1 on a average day it used only 2MB.
Does anyone have a similar problem?
How can I track which app is using all this data?
I'm using CyanogenMod, but I have the same problem with the default firmware.

yes i have noticed this too. but here in USA we have unlimited data. the only suggestion i say is to turn of the data connection completely. that's the only solution that i know. it seems like android 2.1 OS is constantly sending data packets, even if you dont have any apps doing anything in the background.

Sorry to hear about the small data plan options, that just stinks

That sucks! Android without data connection looses the whole point, I'll check if there's any other bigger data plan that I can afford...
Still, if anyone knows a solution, please tell me.

Look through all the default programs to check for any syncing options.
News and weather defaults to pull stories every 12 hours I believe. If you don' use that, turn it all off(especially the news).
Check your E-mail frequencies as well if you added any pop/imap addresses. The defaults are 15 minute intervals.
Those are the two major things that pull data off throug default settings.

I already tried to disable "Background data" on preferences and it didn't solve the problem, so it's not gmail, calendar or any other gapp. I'll try to disable the weather (though, since most of the data was transmitted, not received, that shouldn't be the problem)

Haven't enable Latituded in Maps have you? That sends out a **** load.

I have latitude enabled, but I has it enabled in G1 too. I'll try to disable it anyway.

Most googles apps are push so they won't have large usage. When I said email I meant the email application.

No, I didn't use the email app, I've put my POP accounts on Gmail

After killing (almost) all apps using Astro it stopped using the data connection madly. Next I'll reboot and kill the apps one by one until it stops again, if I find anything useful I'll post it here.

System panel will tell you what you network usage is as well.

As far as I know...Maps and rest of Gapps are the cause for this "problem".
I´m not worried about using too much data, as my plan runs unlimited...but about my privacy!
Google is a MONSTER we are feeding each second...the most androiders...the most bigger the "Bicho" will be
Anyway, I just turn sync and any form of geolocation OFF and things get measured...

Netdroid from the market willl help you control your data connection.

I noticed that the "battery use" thing displays the data used by each app, but it only displays the most battery consuming apps. Would this be a way to go?

It's probably an app running wild, but it can be a bit hard to find out which. I installed the chess.com app once and without _ever_ starting it I found out it had used 40MB up/down in a rather small timeframe. Immediate uninstall for programs that waste my bandwith (have a 1GB plan, so not that big of a deal, but still).

That's what I thing, but how do I find out which app it is?

Need someone to confirm this but…
If you do the *#*#4636#*#* “trick” (type this into the phone pad). Then go to Battery History, then change the top drop down box to Network Usage, this appears to list all the apps using the network and how much they are doing so. If you click on an app it shows you how much data it has sent and received.
Is this useful for the OPs question? I’m suspicious because it is under “Battery History”, but it does appear to show which applications are using the most data…?

Yes, that's exactly the point of the Service Menu (it's no trick).
On Cyanogen the option is showing in Spare Parts.

I think your **** is porn-addict and browse youporn since we have flash on your phone when it's in your pocket